Deepak Chopra on LKL said MJ wanted a NDE!

MJonmind · June 2010

I don't know if this has been talked much about before.

Sometimes I wonder if maybe Michael did try to achieve a momentary flat-line so that that he could literally claim to come back from the dead and not be lying. I know it would be a HUGE risk of actually dying. Remember the talk about Michael injecting and killing himself. And the euphemism of wanting sleep, for wanting death. Also the hospital UCLA was known as one that brought people back from the dead.

Unknown · June 2010

I don't know if this has been talked much about before.
http://www.examiner.com/x-14796-Near-De ... ws-of-NDEs
Sometimes I wonder if maybe Michael did try to achieve a momentary flat-line so that that he could literally claim to come back from the dead and not be lying. I know it would be a HUGE risk of actually dying. Remember the talk about Michael injecting and killing himself. And the euphemism of wanting sleep, for wanting death. Also the hospital UCLA was known as one that brought people back from the dead.
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=79430

I mentioned the UCLA story about `Raising the Dead`in this video at about 8:35.

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The story was on msnbc.com but since has been removed. I screen shotted it though.

and another story that was in the news just after Michael`s supposed passing

looking4truth · June 2010

This is really interesting. Thanks for sharing! I was reading about near death experiences either right before or right after his death. For anyone interested, here is a great site on NDEs, .

Sarahli · June 2010

NDE maybe a metaphor for hoax death. Experiencing the fact of not being "alive" but still on earth not yet in the afterlife. In NDEs the soul doesn't quit the earth and finally comes back into the body = the return.
I'm sure that Michael was interested in the subject of real NDEs. It's fascinating to watch yourself (your body) from above. The soul is something very intriguing and nobody comprehended its mistery till now. One thing is sure it's that we'll all face death one day ( :D ).

suspicious mind · June 2010

about three weeks prior the the 25th micheal visited andre crouch. in the conversation he was said to have asked andre what makes your hands go up and you come out of yourself.they discussed the annointing. and prayed about that.sounds to me like he was looking for something he had already experienced but did not quite understand .again just my view of it . if you chose to share it or look in another direction that is truely subject to your free will. god gave you that . no one has the right to try and take it away.

Truth_or_Dare · June 2010

I don't buy this at all...too risky and I don't think he would have risked his life. You can have an out of body experience in many safe ways without risking to actually die. Out of body experience is the same as near death experience only safer. And with Deepak Ch. as his spiritual guide I'm sure he must have known about them. Astral projection and so on...
There's even The Monroe Institute in Cali that helps with this. There's no way he wouldn't know about it if he was interested in the subject.

suspicious mind · June 2010

NDE maybe a metaphor for hoax death. Experiencing the fact of not being "alive" but still on earth not yet in the afterlife. In NDEs the soul doesn't quit the earth and finally comes back into the body = the return.
I'm sure that Michael was interested in the subject of real NDEs. It's fascinating to watch yourself (your body) from above. The soul is something very intriguing and nobody comprehended its mistery till now. One thing is sure it's that we'll all face death one day ( :D ).

hmm

looking4truth · June 2010

I don't buy this at all...too risky and I don't think he would have risked his life. You can have an out of body experience in many safe ways without risking to actually die. Out of body experience is the same as near death experience only safer. And with Deepak Ch. as his spiritual guide I'm sure he must have known about them. Astral projection and so on...
There's even The Monroe Institute in Cali that helps with this. There's no way he wouldn't know about it if he was interested in the subject.

That's a really good point. I wouldn't be surprise if he has gone through an astral projection before without even realizing it hence why he asked Andre Crouch about that. And like Sarahli said, it could also be a metaphor for a hoax death. Great points guys.

suspicious mind · June 2010

I don't buy this at all...too risky and I don't think he would have risked his life. You can have an out of body experience in many safe ways without risking to actually die. Out of body experience is the same as near death experience only safer. And with Deepak Ch. as his spiritual guide I'm sure he must have known about them. Astral projection and so on...
There's even The Monroe Institute in Cali that helps with this. There's no way he wouldn't know about it if he was interested in the subject.

That's a really good point. I wouldn't be surprise if he has gone through an astral projection before without even realizing it hence why he asked Andre Crouch about that. And like Sarahli said, it could also be a metaphor for a hoax death. Great points guys.

much like having yourself put to sleep on a regular basis ;)

VeryLittleSusie · June 2010

Deepak Chopra on LKL said MJ wanted a NDE!

- and he achieved it! Michael always achieves what he plans! :)

suspicious mind · June 2010

NDE maybe a metaphor for hoax death. Experiencing the fact of not being "alive" but still on earth not yet in the afterlife. In NDEs the soul doesn't quit the earth and finally comes back into the body = the return.
I'm sure that Michael was interested in the subject of real NDEs. It's fascinating to watch yourself (your body) from above. The soul is something very intriguing and nobody comprehended its mistery till now. One thing is sure it's that we'll all face death one day ( :D ).

hmm

can't really say anyone knows how his mind might work but i wonder if just this coversation with deepak could have sent micheals mind hot on the trail of this adventure.?

Sarahli · June 2010

NDE maybe a metaphor for hoax death. Experiencing the fact of not being "alive" but still on earth not yet in the afterlife. In NDEs the soul doesn't quit the earth and finally comes back into the body = the return.
I'm sure that Michael was interested in the subject of real NDEs. It's fascinating to watch yourself (your body) from above. The soul is something very intriguing and nobody comprehended its mistery till now. One thing is sure it's that we'll all face death one day ( :D ).

hmm

can't really say anyone knows how his mind might work but i wonder if just this coversation with deepak could have sent micheals mind hot on the trail of this adventure.?

I'm quite sure that Deepak Chopra mentionned NDEs' experience on purpose, he knows something. I don't know if Michael would have gone far enough to live a real one, I highly doubt it and it's almost another subject cause to me it really seems like it's just a metaphor of the hoax death.

suspicious mind · June 2010

NDE maybe a metaphor for hoax death. Experiencing the fact of not being "alive" but still on earth not yet in the afterlife. In NDEs the soul doesn't quit the earth and finally comes back into the body = the return.
I'm sure that Michael was interested in the subject of real NDEs. It's fascinating to watch yourself (your body) from above. The soul is something very intriguing and nobody comprehended its mistery till now. One thing is sure it's that we'll all face death one day ( :D ).

hmm

can't really say anyone knows how his mind might work but i wonder if just this coversation with deepak could have sent micheals mind hot on the trail of this adventure.?

I'm quite sure that Deepak Chopra mentionned NDEs' experience on purpose, he knows something. I don't know if Michael would have gone far enough to live a real one, I highly doubt it and it's almost another subject cause to me it really seems like it's just a metaphor of the hoax death.

that does make sense

Its her · June 2010

about three weeks prior the the 25th micheal visited andre crouch. in the conversation he was said to have asked andre what makes your hands go up and you come out of yourself.they discussed the annointing. and prayed about that.

sounds to me like he was looking for something he had already experienced but did not quite understand .

again just my view of it . if you chose to share it or look in another direction that is truely subject to your free will. god gave you that . no one has the right to try and take it away.

Thank you for saying this! MJ's questions to Rev. Crouch were in no way related to astral projection or anything else so crossways of Scripture (which MJ respects, loves and obeys). If the conversation went REMOTELY that way, MJ would have been warned against something so dangerous and demonic. This may sound off the wall to those who have NEVER heard it, but I'm not forcing it on you---just sharing.

The ONLY thing which gives a human being authority to act in the physical realm of earth, is the spirit within their BODY. When the real you, your spirit, leaves your body--(check out ANY dead one), you have NO will, no dreams, no hopes, no actions, NO INFLUENCE, NO authority upon ANY area of human life, including coming back into your own body! Demons, who have NEVER had authority in bodies like ours HATE us with a jealous rabid passion and have propagated this foul idea that it is harmless. :shock:

:idea: :arrow: Don't beLIEve it!

Michael Jackson would NEVER do anything involving a NDE or actually give up CONTROL of his volition and autonomy here,

for even one SECOND :!:

He LOVES his life and was humbled everyday by the wonder of life here. [P.S., MJ NEVER used Propofol or died or anything as foolhardy. He is alive. Don't believe things that are beneath his genius! ]

Chopra, and others, deceived by the familiar spirits connected to occult practices,are just as entitled to their views as anyone, but YOU need to THINK for yourself, and BE SAFE. THINK and be FREE.

NOTHING good comes from being outside your vehicle of DOMINION here!!!!!!!!!!

I believe if MJ suggested anything like this, it was misunderstood, and he CERTAINLY :!: was speaking FIGURATIVELY, ;) in HOAX-SPEAK, as some savvy folks have declared here. MJ is a TRUE poet; 8-) we must ALWAYS take the borderline/double-meaning subjects, or "huh?" things he says with a mind to that, FIRST----especially during this hoax... Keep it in your mind that he could be discussing hoax-related gaming FICTION, and NOT true events of HIS actual physical self. The Genius doesn't always realize how far above others he speaks, and that he's "lost us (temporarily <!-- s

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Also, there is this: paramedics cannot revive EVERY ONE every time. Many many many people go straight to the cooler, after only a few minutes of life-saving effort, because they are obviously, irreversibly gone (the body has gone too far and is uninhabitable). Your spirit can become so frightened by seeing your "dead" body, that it is afraid to re-enter. Shock ruins the body.

It is arrogantly ungrateful, to throw your ticket to LIFE back to the Giver, and ASS/u/me that mere medical technology can get that back for you. Please don't play with this!

I too think that MJ has had (many) experiences with the Spirit of God which he has questions about (and Andrae Crouch can tell him all about it)! MJ is the most blessed man, ever! One thing nice about God, is that we don't HAVE to understand Him---he just wants us to befriend Him, and talk with Him everyday, including Him in our day. He told us in His word to CHOOSE LIFE. Never volunteer for, or accept the opposite :!: :shock: That's all... :) Peace.

suspicious mind · June 2010

about three weeks prior the the 25th micheal visited andre crouch. in the conversation he was said to have asked andre what makes your hands go up and you come out of yourself.they discussed the annointing. and prayed about that.

sounds to me like he was looking for something he had already experienced but did not quite understand .

again just my view of it . if you chose to share it or look in another direction that is truely subject to your free will. god gave you that . no one has the right to try and take it away.

Thank you for saying this! MJ's questions to Rev. Crouch were in no way related to astral projection or anything else so crossways of Scripture (which MJ respects, loves and obeys). If the conversation went REMOTELY that way, MJ would have been warned against something so dangerous and demonic. This may sound off the wall to those who have NEVER heard it, but I'm not forcing it on you---just sharing.

The ONLY thing which gives a human being authority to act in the physical realm of earth, is the spirit within them. When the real you, your spirit, leaves your body--(check out ANY dead one), you have NO will, no dreams, no hopes, no actions, NO INFLUENCE, NO authority upon ANY area of human life, including coming back into your own body! Demons, who have NEVER had authority in bodies like ours HATE us with a jealous rabid passion and have propagated this foul idea that it is harmless. :shock:

:idea: :arrow: Don't beLIEve it!

Michael Jackson would NEVER do anything involving a NDE or actually give up CONTROL of his volition and autonomy here,

for even one SECOND :!:

He LOVES his life and was humbled everyday by the wonder of life here. [P.S., MJ NEVER used Propofol or died or anything as foolhardy. He is alive. Don't believe things that are beneath his genius! ]

Chopra, and others, deceived by the familiar spirits connected to occult practices,are just as entitled to their views as anyone, but YOU need to THINK for yourself, and BE SAFE. THINK and be FREE.

NOTHING good comes from being outside your vehicle of DOMINION here!!!!!!!!!!

I believe if MJ suggested anything like this, it was misunderstood, and he CERTAINLY :!: was speaking FIGURATIVELY, ;) in HOAX-SPEAK, as some savvy folks have declared here. MJ is a TRUE poet; 8-) we must ALWAYS take the borderline/double-meaning subjects, or "huh?" things he says with a mind to that, FIRST----especially during this hoax... Keep it in your mind that he could be discussing hoax-related gaming FICTION, and NOT true events of HIS actual physical self. The Genius doesn't always realize how far above others he speaks, and that he's "lost us (temporarily  ) at the bakery"...one reason he is so often misquoted and misunderstood.

Also, there is this: paramedics cannot revive EVERY ONE every time. Many many many people go straight to the cooler, after only a few minutes of life-saving effort, because they are obviously, irreversibly gone (the body has gone too far and is uninhabitable). Your spirit can become so frightened by seeing your "dead" body, that it is afraid to re-enter. Shock ruins the body.

It is arrogantly ungrateful, to throw your ticket to LIFE back to the Giver, and ASS/u/me that mere medical technology can get that back for you. Please don't play with this!

I too think that MJ has had (many) experiences with the Spirit of God which he has questions about (and Andrae Crouch can tell him all about it)! MJ is the most blessed man, ever! One thing nice about God, is that we don't HAVE to understand Him---he just wants us to befriend Him, and talk with Him everyday, including Him in our day. He told us in His word to CHOOSE LIFE. Never volunteer for, or accept the opposite :!: :shock: That's all... :) Peace.

oh i don't for one minute think that micheal was talking with andre about the same thing as chopra is saying. i agree that he was looking for answers. as near as i can tell maybe in search of that he had once experience even though he did not fully understand it.

Its her · June 2010

about three weeks prior the the 25th micheal visited andre crouch. in the conversation he was said to have asked andre what makes your hands go up and you come out of yourself.they discussed the annointing. and prayed about that.

sounds to me like he was looking for something he had already experienced but did not quite understand .

again just my view of it . if you chose to share it or look in another direction that is truely subject to your free will. god gave you that . no one has the right to try and take it away.

Thank you for saying this! MJ's questions to Rev. Crouch were in no way related to astral projection or anything else so crossways of Scripture (which MJ respects, loves and obeys). If the conversation went REMOTELY that way, MJ would have been warned against something so dangerous and demonic. This may sound off the wall to those who have NEVER heard it, but I'm not forcing it on you---just sharing.

The ONLY thing which gives a human being authority to act in the physical realm of earth, is the spirit within them. When the real you, your spirit, leaves your body--(check out ANY dead one), you have NO will, no dreams, no hopes, no actions, NO INFLUENCE, NO authority upon ANY area of human life, including coming back into your own body! Demons, who have NEVER had authority in bodies like ours HATE us with a jealous rabid passion and have propagated this foul idea that it is harmless. :shock:

:idea: :arrow: Don't beLIEve it!

Michael Jackson would NEVER do anything involving a NDE or actually give up CONTROL of his volition and autonomy here,

for even one SECOND :!:

He LOVES his life and was humbled everyday by the wonder of life here. [P.S., MJ NEVER used Propofol or died or anything as foolhardy. He is alive. Don't believe things that are beneath his genius! ]

Chopra, and others, deceived by the familiar spirits connected to occult practices,are just as entitled to their views as anyone, but YOU need to THINK for yourself, and BE SAFE. THINK and be FREE.

NOTHING good comes from being outside your vehicle of DOMINION here!!!!!!!!!!

I believe if MJ suggested anything like this, it was misunderstood, and he CERTAINLY :!: was speaking FIGURATIVELY, ;) in HOAX-SPEAK, as some savvy folks have declared here. MJ is a TRUE poet; 8-) we must ALWAYS take the borderline/double-meaning subjects, or "huh?" things he says with a mind to that, FIRST----especially during this hoax... Keep it in your mind that he could be discussing hoax-related gaming FICTION, and NOT true events of HIS actual physical self. The Genius doesn't always realize how far above others he speaks, and that he's "lost us (temporarily  ) at the bakery"...one reason he is so often misquoted and misunderstood.

Also, there is this: paramedics cannot revive EVERY ONE every time. Many many many people go straight to the cooler, after only a few minutes of life-saving effort, because they are obviously, irreversibly gone (the body has gone too far and is uninhabitable). Your spirit can become so frightened by seeing your "dead" body, that it is afraid to re-enter. Shock ruins the body.

It is arrogantly ungrateful, to throw your ticket to LIFE back to the Giver, and ASS/u/me that mere medical technology can get that back for you. Please don't play with this!

I too think that MJ has had (many) experiences with the Spirit of God which he has questions about (and Andrae Crouch can tell him all about it)! MJ is the most blessed man, ever! One thing nice about God, is that we don't HAVE to understand Him---he just wants us to befriend Him, and talk with Him everyday, including Him in our day. He told us in His word to CHOOSE LIFE. Never volunteer for, or accept the opposite :!: :shock: That's all... :) Peace.

oh i don't for one minute think that micheal was talking with andre about the same thing as chopra is saying. i agree that he was looking for answers. as near as i can tell maybe in search of that he had once experience even though he did not fully understand it.

Yup, I know. :D Totally agree! The fact that he discussed this with Andrae Crouch instead of someone else, tells me that MJ KNEW it was some kind of biblical experience, and not occult, and maybe wanted it to happen again. (I just get a teensy bit nuts when rumors endanger any young people here and invite them into a ditch!)

I knew you and I were in agreement. I thanked you for saying it, because people keep trying to discount how much the things of God are anchored in MJ's life. It sounds JUST LIKE the ever curious thinker, Michael Jackson, to seek to UNDERSTAND this---and reminded me of thinking that when this first appeared on A.C.'s website last June! He just gets sweeter and sweeter to me. :)

Melzy777 · June 2010

I've had an NDE and was put into an induced coma. It was a very strange experience indeed.. and life afterwards has been even stranger. I'm not surprised he'd want to know more about it.

Truth_or_Dare · June 2010

I've had an NDE and was put into an induced coma. It was a very strange experience indeed.. and life afterwards has been even stranger. I'm not surprised he'd want to know more about it.

Wow! That's interesting. I'm so fascinated with these things....do you care to share your experience? :D If it's not too personal of course.

Peace!

Melzy777 · June 2010

I've had an NDE and was put into an induced coma. It was a very strange experience indeed.. and life afterwards has been even stranger. I'm not surprised he'd want to know more about it.

Wow! That's interesting. I'm so fascinated with these things....do you care to share your experience? :D If it's not too personal of course.

Peace!

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Truth_or_Dare · June 2010

I've had an NDE and was put into an induced coma. It was a very strange experience indeed.. and life afterwards has been even stranger. I'm not surprised he'd want to know more about it.

Wow! That's interesting. I'm so fascinated with these things....do you care to share your experience? :D If it's not too personal of course.

Peace!

Sure.. I don't mind at all. I'll PM you a link to my blog about it since anything I write will end up quite long...  :D

Oh great. Thanks hun. Can't wait to read it! :D

Love4Michael · June 2010

It is arrogantly ungrateful, to throw your ticket to LIFE back to the Giver, and ASS/u/me that mere medical technology can get that back for you. Please don't play with this!

Absolutely correct and the precise reason Michael would not seek it out (NDE). He would never challenge God's authority and/or plan. I agree with the possibility that he may have been searching for answers to something that had already occured.

MJonmind · June 2010

I've had an NDE and was put into an induced coma. It was a very strange experience indeed.. and life afterwards has been even stranger. I'm not surprised he'd want to know more about it.

I would also love to hear your NDE, and wonder if possibly others would too. Is it too personal to post here, since that's the topic title?

The reason I thought of this thread, DC and the NDE conversation, was that I feel that exploring the what, who, why and where of this hoax is exploring everything regardless of seeming unlikeliness. I threw it out to gender discussion which it has done. Obviously we still have not cracked what happened in the Carolwood home or UCLA. I also don't think Michael held to a rigid strict thinking in his faith in God, but was pretty much walking as he felt led by God, so I don't think we should try to limit him. That saying, I don't think he did actually die but new information might come out of discussion.

Another interesting document surfaced quite a while back, and is now again being discussed somewhat on the Soule Shaun threads, showing Michael may have been "experimenting" with something physical. I know we can never put Michael Jackson in a box, no pun intended; he is the personification of unique.

CC · June 2010

IF HE WANT A NDE HE NOT NEED TO RISK HIS LIFE FOR THAT... I THINK MAYBE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SEE WHAT THE WORLD DO WITHOUT YOU, SEE THE MEMORIAL, THE FUNERAL... HE LIKES IT SIMPLE, I THINK THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT AND NOT A MEDICAL NDE... :roll:
SO...
HE HAVE IT! COME BACK, BABY! :oops:

saima122 · November 2010

Hi… that was great stuff.

Deepak Chopra on LKL said MJ wanted a NDE!

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