Just posting it in order to have all evidence in one thread:
It is coming from http://fakemichael.com/
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"How can you release a record without Michael Jackson? It's not Michael Jackson. I heard the song that's on the Internet now and I'm like, 'That ain't Mike.'"
— Will.I.Am, Black Eyed Peas, Michael Jackson's producer
"I remember when Teddy and I were at Encore listening to Keep Your Head Up. We both knew it wasn't my Uncle."
"Out of the 10 songs listed, only 7 of them are Michael Jackson."
"I've always admired the talent of Teddy Riley, but after hearing him lie on Oprah I am terribly disappointed."
— Taryll Jackson, Michael Jackson's nephew
"Some of the songs are him, and some aren't. I would bet my life on that."
"And as to the vocal authenticators, they work for pay. And I wasn't there when they did their analysis."
"Like I said, Sony and the executors have 250 million reasons to influence the public."
— Randy Jackson, Michael Jackson's brother
"I have read the statement from the MJ estate and I have to say that it's just more bullshit! I was in that room, and the majority of the people mentioned did NOT agree that it was MJ! Some felt it sounded like him but all agree that there was nothing there that was consistent with any MJ habits like finger snaps, headphone bleeding, foot stomping or just simple things like his voice asking for another take. Both Dr. Freeze and Teddy Riley sat with Taryll Jackson and myself and stated that they felt what we felt. As for the specialists that were brought in, I don't think anyone from the actual Jackson family got any direct confirmation that made them feel any different then what they have felt all along."
— Cory Rooney, producer
"It seems like everybody is trying to put everything out that they can with him. I don't understand it. It's all to make money. He wouldn't have wanted it to come out this way. They must just be trying to make as much money as they can. I don't know why else they are doing it."
— Quincy Jones, producer of Michael Jackson's
"Off the Wall", "Thriller", and "Bad" albums
This is so obvious to me... i'm having more 'doubts' about the people listening to the songs.
Do we not have, in 2010, good enough equipment to hear and identify someone's voice?
It's nice that Teddy Riley admits the voice has been 'enhanced', my question is: to what extent? I have used 'Melodyne' many times and know all those tools quite well, they correct voice takes and retune specific notes, they don't change one's voice into a completely different one.
I'm sorry cause this is also a question of personal taste, but to me those songs just have "no soul" in them, it's nothing like a Michael Jackson record. All in all it sounds like a quickly produced contemporary pop album that wil be impossible to listen to in less than 10 years... (Remember Thriller?)
I love the whole album, even the "fake" songs! I have nothing against them musically. If somebody convinced me REALLY that this is in fact MJ who simply changed his manner of singing or did it on purpose - that would be the best day of my life. But I hate the thought I might have been deceived...
This time - to believe is not enough for me. I want to KNOW.
Da troot. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
I love the whole album, even the "fake" songs! I have nothing against them musically. If somebody convinced me REALLY that this is in fact MJ who simply changed his manner of singing or did it on purpose - that would be the best day of my life. But I hate the thought I might have been deceived...
This time - to believe is not enough for me. I want to KNOW.
Da troot. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
I am convinced the songs are all him, but for the sake of argument...what do you guys think the point would be of having a sound alike record the songs? I mean, I would have to assume that MJ has TONS of unreleased material that would work to put on the new album. Why would they want to go to the trouble of having a fake record these songs knowing that people would notice? I'm trying to find the logic in that but I just can't...any ideas?
To me it seems much more logical that the songs are all him and it sounds different because it was recorded and produced differently than we're used to hearing (see my earlier post for details on that). As far as the family saying it's not him, I have to think that was a marketing strategy. Not just for sales but to get more people to listen to the songs, the message..and to get people's attention even more for what is to come. Because honestly, since I've listened to the actual album, I am convinced it's all him. Some parts of the songs sound different and questionable, but then there are parts that are undoubtedly him that nobody could immitate.
Not to mention, I am also convinced that Michael has sang/recorded vocals for Janet since his 'death'. If he can manipulate his voice to sound almost exactly like his SISTER, I'm sure he can manipulate it to sound different on songs that he wants to have a particular feel or vibe (or simply to confuse us all and get our attention). Either way, mission accomplished! The songs rock AND we're all STILL talking about it <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I am convinced the songs are all him, but for the sake of argument...what do you guys think the point would be of having a sound alike record the songs? I mean, I would have to assume that MJ has TONS of unreleased material that would work to put on the new album. Why would they want to go to the trouble of having a fake record these songs knowing that people would notice? I'm trying to find the logic in that but I just can't...any ideas?
To me it seems much more logical that the songs are all him and it sounds different because it was recorded and produced differently than we're used to hearing (see my earlier post for details on that). As far as the family saying it's not him, I have to think that was a marketing strategy. Not just for sales but to get more people to listen to the songs, the message..and to get people's attention even more for what is to come. Because honestly, since I've listened to the actual album, I am convinced it's all him. Some parts of the songs sound different and questionable, but then there are parts that are undoubtedly him that nobody could immitate.
Not to mention, I am also convinced that Michael has sang/recorded vocals for Janet since his 'death'. If he can manipulate his voice to sound almost exactly like his SISTER, I'm sure he can manipulate it to sound different on songs that he wants to have a particular feel or vibe (or simply to confuse us all and get our attention). Either way, mission accomplished! The songs rock AND we're all STILL talking about it <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
agree ! sony can't be that stupid to put fake songs when they have many other unrealesed material and put their big name into risk <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Just posting it in order to have all evidence in one thread:
It is coming from http://fakemichael.com/
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Thanks for the link! Looking at the comments, I can only continue shaking my head to this album.
I agree with your starting post, too.
Cully Surroga writes:"I'm sorry cause this is also a question of personal taste, but to me those songs just have "no soul" in them, it's nothing like a Michael Jackson record. All in all it sounds like a quickly produced contemporary pop album that wil be impossible to listen to in less than 10 years... (Remember Thriller?)"
Yup. I agree with you too. I don't think he would've let such an album leave the studio. Listening to his old songs, they're "full", thought out. And he doesn't sound like a machine like he does now in, say, the chorus of "Hold My Hand". Why did they need to f**k with his voice? As MJ is dead, wouldn't the record company realize it is his voice the fans want to hear, as organic as possible and not enhanced? The voice is all there's left to have. Something's not right.
With the "enhancing" they can release pretty much anything claiming this is Michael Jackson. Have a "malachi", run the vocals through a machine and say "we needed to enchance the vocals".
I've seen and read enough to suspect anything these days, especially the true motives of corporations. And I think the greedy record company is one major reason Michael Jackson is not amongst us today. Wherever he is. Big record companies are just a part of this huge culture manipulating, money making machine. It's an industry with no morals, just for money. They're part of a bigger agenda some members discuss these things elsewhere on this board i.e. Music Industry & Mind Control. <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: -->
Sorry the rant...
The Cascios were only on Oprah to promote this album because the family have a vested interest in it/
More money, more money!
Er... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> No...
Anyone MJ has permitted (Yes!) to "go public", is by design of HIS. They are in on the Hoax and this is a MAGICAL Hoax-album. If you don't buy it, you won't have the full experience of Michael Jackson <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> As good as you think MJ is, he is WAY better than that. Oh My Gosh!! He has peppered this latest feast with all kinds of cool stuff. I don't know what theses things mean , but man, MJ <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> is talking to us <!-- s --><!-- s --> He really IS, in secret code!!!(I'll share later--gotta go <!-- s:x -->:x<!-- s:x --> to work now <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( --> <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> , and listen to "MICHAEL" all <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
BTW, Teddy R. AND those pesky <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> hoaxster Jacksons are stirring the pot BIGTIME. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
( <!-- s --><!-- s --> Booming Voice:) Do not listen to the men in FRONT of the curtain! <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
How about all the things written in Leonard Rowe's book?
I am happy to see your enthusiasm but I guess I lost mine somewhere... <!-- s --><!-- s -->
I didn't read it. I don't know anything about it. If he wrote a book, he is probably just another person flapping his lips in FRONT of the curtain. That equals FAKE. Either he was directed by MJ as part of the Adventure, or he is another person spinning his own lies about MJ.
This album is already my FAVORITE Christmas gift. Thank you SO <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> much, Mikey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Santy Clause, YOU can't touch this <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
How about all the things written in Leonard Rowe's book?
I am happy to see your enthusiasm but I guess I lost mine somewhere... <!-- s --><!-- s -->
I think Leonard Rowe's book is very important and very real. but you have to remember, it's not just about MJ, it's about the entire recording industry. It's about how artists, concert promoters and others get cheated and manipulated. You have to read between the lines. This whole thing is probably a lot bigger and a lot more complicated than what we think it is. It's not just about this album. I believe it's his voice on all songs on the album (even if his voice was altered), but even if it was an impersonator... listen to the words of the songs and it's clearly his message.
As we've reported, Sony is prepping the release of a new Michael Jackson album, which will feature 10-12 never-before-heard tracks from the late pop icon.
However, Jackson's children, Prince and Paris, are now alleging that they were present when their father recorded many of these songs, and the versions that are going to be released are FAKES!
Sources claim that five of the songs in question were recorded at the New Jersey home of Eddie Cascio, and Jackson and his kids stayed with the producer and his family for four months in 2007 while recording. Both Paris and Prince claim that they overheard the recording process and are "adamant" that the versions on the new album were sung by a sound-a-like.
Sony, however, counter-claims that sound experts have been brought in to confirm their products legitimacy, and they believe that the children are being "manipulated" by Katherine Jackson because she doesn't want the album released!
This is just out of control, and we truthfully have no idea what to believe ourselves!
But to think that Sony would knowingly release an album of fake Michael Jackson songs and take advantage of his fans like that is deeply distressing.
What do U think?? Do U believe the Jackson children or Sony??
but if michael really recorded these songs, then why couldn't they just take these versiones and took someone to rerecord these songs?
Why don't they give the audience acapellas of the songs?
Sony said experts have identified the songs as MJ's voice. Who paid for these tests?
The fake tracks are so obvious, i still can't believe the album is actually in shops.
Why don't they give the audience acapellas of the songs?
Sony said experts have identified the songs as MJ's voice. Who paid for these tests?
The fake tracks are so obvious, i still can't believe the album is actually in shops.
There are no fake tracks. A fake would be something MJ was not involved with at all, and he clearly, crystal clearly, has his panther paws all over this record.
Me thinks thou dost protest TOO much. Why does this get your tail in such a knot?
Let me play devil's advocate for a moment and agree with you that the voice on the tracks are non-MJ. Suppose that MJ was tired of doing the "Michael Jackson" charade and wanted to hang it up, finally. After all, "Michael Jackson" has been marketed for decades as an ageless young man, of 29. (No offense at all, Mikey <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> ) It was getting harder to fake(without magic) at 50. This may be what "he" meant, when "he" said in the Bashir interview, that he was Peter Pan, never aging. There have been NO telltale ALBUM cover photos of the man's real age since BAD, and even that one was doctored up... Since then, it is ALL artwork. So, he pulls this death hoax to fictionally END his fictional persona and act, and then , somehow cannot BEAR all the crying about his death and loss. Suppose he feels such compassion for not only fans, but the dear little Monster, himself, "Michael Jackson", and CAN'T go through with the killing...AWWWW <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
WHAT is he to do? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
The same thing they do with ANY act, when the original player opts out of his contract...THEY REPLACE HIM. Look at Batman, Superman, Santa Clause
( <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> OH, NO, HIM, TOO?? HE's not REAL <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> )
Suppose that clever perfectionist found a way to keep the magic going by handpicking and tutoring someone of similar vocal pattern and resonance, to replace HIM in the ACT, so it can continue. (Way not likely, but work with me, here <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> )
Face it, the "Michael Jackson" we have all known and loved for at least two decades, perhaps as far back as his solo debut has been mostly a SHOW, not reality. It's too late to get all bent about a voice substitution, IMHO, NOW...
But...I don't think MJ has done this yet. I still beLIEve he is hellbent on the melodrama of killing his Sparkling Boy off in a fake pyrotecknic cloud of drug use and suicide. I still think he is following the pattern of the things in the 1980 version of The Elephant Man. But I have to tell you this(and not you personally, but, anyone griping about not liking the sound, especially on the 3 Cascio assisted tracks):
If I were MJ and I were given SUCH grief over a dissimilarity in sound on my best effort to keep Michael Jackson alive for future generations, I'd put him away in a box forever, TOO. I don't know how any of you feel or are inside, and we are absolutely free to investigate, respectfully, but I do know ingratitude <!-- s --><!-- s --> gets one NOTHING.
I LOVE this album. What a GIFT. I am grateful that he is even working (for us <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> ) still. He could have evaporated and deserted us. He would have gotten clean away with it.... <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Anyway, devil's advocate, aside, it is ALL MJ (or, let's say, it is the same guy we've BEEN listening to since BAD <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ) singing on the songs on MICHAEL. Even the one which seems to have more clear sinus resonance. Vocals were probably recorded originally, well over 20 years ago, maybe even before he broke his nose, or right after the surgeries. Or maybe he's got a little cold on these recordings. I don't hear ANY different than MJ, himself. He was ALWAYS, always laying down songs on professional tracks to play with them later. Listen to songs like, You Are There , I'll Come Home To You, One Day In Your Life, Heaven Knows I Love You. Not that he wrote all of these, but it is him, way younger, singing them. And you do know how hard it is for the human ear alone, to differentiate between many voices singing at once, eh? Keep listening to MICHAEL and give him a chance to get to you. It is him. I can't believe you said you feel NO SOUL on these!! <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
I beLIEve we were TOLD about these tracks being different, to CAUSE us to scrutinize them. MJ WANTS us to listen to them millions of times, so the message will get in. This is ingenious and so cool. It is like a parent hiding the icky mashed brussel sprouts <!-- s:x -->:x<!-- s:x --> in some tasty meatloaf for you!! <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
He is SO funny, I just LOVE his twisted <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ways <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
This is so obvious to me... i'm having more 'doubts' about the people listening to the songs.
Do we not have, in 2010, good enough equipment to hear and identify someone's voice?
It's nice that Teddy Riley admits the voice has been 'enhanced', my question is: to what extent? I have used 'Melodyne' many times and know all those tools quite well, they correct voice takes and retune specific notes, they don't change one's voice into a completely different one.
Hi. Since you formed the question, I will use your post to answer.
But first, to the people saying there are seven MJ songs and 3 fakes: You are saying it wrong. This is how it IS: Seven regular songs, same-ole-same-ole Hot MJ, making me sweat and fly out of my seat to move SOME thing or die in heart pounding anguish...and three Songs, also MJ, with his hands on my shoulders shaking me to wake up and see something which he can't simply spell out. That's how it is. I am just wondering WHAT is so imperative... <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> We need to get this. It is important to him.
I looked around to find why everyone got SO nuts over BN, and couldn't find for certain, the "first blood", so, as you seem to be concerned about the so-called voice enhancement, I CAN make you feel better about this. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
TR is being bad and stirring up trouble. He should have admitted HOW or WHAT had been enhanced, instead of leading very suggestible people, who are on their last <!-- s:x -->:x<!-- s:x --> nerve after 18 months of Watching, to believe he had "enhanced" MJ's SINGING voice. That's like painting a handlebar mustache on the Mona Lisa. <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> WHAT was he thinking, taking his life in his hands like that??? <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Listen to Breaking News, to the very beginning talk, @:13 and :26. A person says TWICE, versions of this phrase,
"...made against a performer" and,
"...more allegations made against a performer"
THAT voice is Michael Jackson!
It IS. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->
I don't know if any of the others or all of the other male voices are him, but I bet the voice saying the "she's Hollywood", etc., on Hollywood Tonight is him, TOO! This is all that was "enhanced", IMHO, no singing parts. Take a good listen. The way he says, "star" <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
MJ is a NUT <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> . A one man Circus. Maybe he feels like, after making us cry so hard at his fake death, that he doesn't deserve our love, and feels more comfortable making people mad at first? <!-- s --><!-- s --> IDK. It worked. Nearly cracked a couple of forums! <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> The man has powers UNTAPPED. He Must come back! <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
ItsHer, I really admire your confidence and sense of humor! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
But do we have any other evidence besides your ear that this is actually MJ saying those spoken parts in the two tracks in question?
My ear says the vibrato is not MJ style in those tracks. Unless, he swallowed a giant mosquito. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
NO SOUL what so ever in his voice lol compare this with rock with you now i know he recorded that a long time ago but his voice never changed on Invincible he had songs with a lot of soul in them like heaven can wait so something is going on here....
ItsHer, I really admire your confidence and sense of humor! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
But do we have any other evidence besides your ear that this is actually MJ saying those spoken parts in the two tracks in question?
My ear says the vibrato is not MJ style in those tracks. Unless, he swallowed a giant mosquito. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Thank you, thank you. As a matter of fact we DO have better, more convincing evidence! That would be YOUR OWN ears. You would believe yourself, right? Whip them out, here is your homework... <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
I have listened to Michael Jackson talk for many hundreds of hours--which is a LOT, because he very seldom talks---mostly sings. He has a very, VERY unique way of saying certain words and letters, and it is even more pronounced at certain times.
I don't know what those circumstances are, whether he is overly tired or has had a couple of drinks or antibiotic meds, or just has been all alone (no people at all for a day or a week) and speaks without the influence of anyone else's way of saying things. Just sometimes, he has a more pronounced Southern accent--I feel Alabama--Heaven Knows I Love You and sometimes it is just the way he throws his tongue out on his "L"s, as if he's reverse rolling them. I don't know how else to describe it! I have never heard ANYone say the letter "L" like this, and I've listened to hundreds of thousands--maybe a million people talk, by now.
He has a very whispery, breathy voice sometimes as in BOTDF, and in Keep It In the Closet it sounds like the talking voice breathing on Hollywood Tonight. Also, when he says the word "star" the same way he sings it in Someone In The Dark.
When I loaded all his songs into my new computer, I somehow switched speeds and royally screwed everything up (until it righted itself--either through Media Player online or a reboot---I still don't know!). <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> Everything was just slow enough to drop his voice low enough to be creepy. I didn't know how to fix it; as I didn't know what I did! I took the time to see if it was each CD or was it just the last few I put on. I listened to about 20-thirty minutes of weirdness. <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: -->
Although, deeper and stretched out, I could still tell it was MJ by the imprint of the way he says things, already in my brain. I can SEE those particular full lips as they say/sing just exactly THAT way.
Listen to the word "performer", on BN and on any public chat/speech he's had with anyone where he says the word. It is HIM. Fast or slow, high or low, I'd know him ANYwhere, as long as I can hear him say enough words which give him away! He sometimes leaves consonants, like d and k off the ends of words, as if his soft palate is swollen, as in an allergic reaction, or infection. He says the words, "truth" and "you", like no one else, because of the way he uses those lips to form the words. He does something unique with words starting with "Th" sometimes. Same tongue thing. He kinda "throws" it out on the "a" in the word "that". This is SO cute. I am not picking him apart, or telling any medical secrets, if he has any---IDK him; I just LOVE his uniqueness, and I know what can change a voice.
One reason you don't see a lot of people covering his works is because everyone knows there is something there, which they cannot top: his heart and soul, in the form of a zillion little emotive all human sounds, which actually MAKE the hit ALL his, pretty much forever... <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
As far as vibrato goes, he always experimented with varying degrees, depending on the song, and how much he worked with it. Listen to You Are My Life, Heal The World", Gone Too Soon, and in She's Out Of My Life. You can also hear him say "don't know" the very same way he says it in Monster, and you can hear the way he says some "L"s.
On another thread---someone said he never says words which should have an "R" sound, as an "A" instead, until the "Michael" album, as if he were trying to sound British. I think the words they used (phonetically)were, "rest-A-ront", instead of "res-taurant", and "monstA" instead of monstER. Not true. He does this ALL the time. RemembA <!-- s --><!-- s --> The Time, Keep The Faith, where he says, "surrendA", instead of surrendER. Not only does he say it this way, he passionately, sharply emphasizes the "A" sound.
If you want a sample of some of his "urgent-secret-whispery" talk, as he does on Hollywood Tonight, listen to him talk at the beginning of (and during) Dangerous!!!! Now imagine him speaking this through a PVC pipe or some other goofball thing he and his mad minstrels come up with to create UNIQUE sounds. If you have the equipment, and know what you are doing <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> , slow it down or whatever is needed (I personally don't think it is needed), to see if MJ says the word "BAAAD" the same way he says it on HT. It is him .
It is ALL MJ, those two places I mentioned (HT & BN). Now, those bad boys (MJ & TR) MAY have thrown some other voice in to throw us off, one time, but until I actually spend time on it, I'm saying it is all Mike. I haven't been listening to the CD for so much investigation as for sheer PLEASURE, but when I heard those lips say the word "performer", my face involuntarily went : <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> .
Hey, the mind knows what it already knows. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
And I KNEW <!-- s:idea: -->:idea:<!-- s:idea: --> that the talk parts were what they meant were "enhanced"!
I am telling you, ALL we need to prove it is him is in his genuine previous works. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> I listen to something of his every day (addicted <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> ). Do like they do to find counterfeit money: the experts make themselves very familiar with the genuine. Then, without scrutiny, the true happily matches up and the false, and what <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ABOUT it is false, stands out like a stick in the eye. <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I agree - I've head him sing on many a song where he pronounces the A instead of ER - Do you RemembA when we fell in love - Cos this is THRILLA - is one that most seem to have forgotten.
Hi ItsHer! Thank you for your long and elaborate post <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> I really appreciate that.
You seem to be very convincing in your ideas. Yo convinced me as to the "MonstA-RemembA" pronunciation. Yes, I admit - Michael plays with the pronunciation very often.
Although, I have absolutely no doubts as to "Hollywood Tonight", I mean, my heart and ears say that it is MJ singing the whole song, I DO HAVE doubts as to "Monstah", "Breaking News" and "Keep Your Head Up".
I'd like to you to listen to the following sentences and tell me what you hear:
"KYHU":
"She wipes the tears away" - the word "tears" is revealing - it doesn't sound like MJ at all!
"We can just rise up tell me now" - "rise up" sounds nothing like MJ
"Don't give up today" -->
"I wish the love would come today" - the pronunciation of "today" is wayyy offf...
"Monstah":
"Just look in the mirror" - the word "just" sounds too hard, MJ pronounces this word much softer
"He's coming at ya
Coming at ya rather to fast
Mama say mama got you in the zig zag" - this whole verse doesn't sound like him. The lower tones are not him. He voice is not as deep as his...
"What you do to me" - "do to me" - it doesn't sound like him.
the verse that starts at 3:50, sung with mosquito-falsetto: "Say you wanna be a star..." and so on - when I first heard it I was like "WTF? Who is it??? It's not him, for God's sake"
I was at the music shop today. I saw "Michael" on the shelf. I always try to touch and hold MJ CD's for a moment when I'm in the music shop (I just can't resist) and I saw the following senence at the back of the CD: "This album contains 9 previously unreleased vocal tracks performed by Michael Jackson. (...)" It enlighted me.
Even if MJ is not properly credited in the booklet - this sentence speaks volumes. If this is a fraud on the part of SONY and they deliberately used the voice of sb else in the recordings, THEY in fact ADMIT IT IS MICHAEL JACKSON by writing this sentence at the back of the cover of the album.
If we manage to prove it's somebody else singing in those tracks then they won't be able to deny and say "It was vever stated in the booklet that those were Mr. Jackson's lead vocals on these three tracks."
"Vocal tracks performed by Michael Jackson" means that SONY say it is Michael Jackson singing lead vocals in all tracks.
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It is coming from http://fakemichael.com/
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Do we not have, in 2010, good enough equipment to hear and identify someone's voice?
It's nice that Teddy Riley admits the voice has been 'enhanced', my question is: to what extent? I have used 'Melodyne' many times and know all those tools quite well, they correct voice takes and retune specific notes, they don't change one's voice into a completely different one.
This time - to believe is not enough for me. I want to KNOW.
Da troot. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
This is exactly how i feel as well.
To me it seems much more logical that the songs are all him and it sounds different because it was recorded and produced differently than we're used to hearing (see my earlier post for details on that). As far as the family saying it's not him, I have to think that was a marketing strategy. Not just for sales but to get more people to listen to the songs, the message..and to get people's attention even more for what is to come. Because honestly, since I've listened to the actual album, I am convinced it's all him. Some parts of the songs sound different and questionable, but then there are parts that are undoubtedly him that nobody could immitate.
Not to mention, I am also convinced that Michael has sang/recorded vocals for Janet since his 'death'. If he can manipulate his voice to sound almost exactly like his SISTER, I'm sure he can manipulate it to sound different on songs that he wants to have a particular feel or vibe (or simply to confuse us all and get our attention). Either way, mission accomplished! The songs rock AND we're all STILL talking about it <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
agree ! sony can't be that stupid to put fake songs when they have many other unrealesed material and put their big name into risk <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Anyone MJ has permitted (Yes!) to "go public", is by design of HIS. They are in on the Hoax and this is a MAGICAL Hoax-album. If you don't buy it, you won't have the full experience of Michael Jackson <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> As good as you think MJ is, he is WAY better than that. Oh My Gosh!! He has peppered this latest feast with all kinds of cool stuff. I don't know what theses things mean , but man, MJ <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> is talking to us <!-- s
BTW, Teddy R. AND those pesky <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> hoaxster Jacksons are stirring the pot BIGTIME. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
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I am happy to see your enthusiasm but I guess I lost mine somewhere... <!-- s
This album is already my FAVORITE Christmas gift. Thank you SO <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> much, Mikey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Santy Clause, YOU can't touch this <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
Later.
I think Leonard Rowe's book is very important and very real. but you have to remember, it's not just about MJ, it's about the entire recording industry. It's about how artists, concert promoters and others get cheated and manipulated. You have to read between the lines. This whole thing is probably a lot bigger and a lot more complicated than what we think it is. It's not just about this album. I believe it's his voice on all songs on the album (even if his voice was altered), but even if it was an impersonator... listen to the words of the songs and it's clearly his message.
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As we've reported, Sony is prepping the release of a new Michael Jackson album, which will feature 10-12 never-before-heard tracks from the late pop icon.
However, Jackson's children, Prince and Paris, are now alleging that they were present when their father recorded many of these songs, and the versions that are going to be released are FAKES!
Sources claim that five of the songs in question were recorded at the New Jersey home of Eddie Cascio, and Jackson and his kids stayed with the producer and his family for four months in 2007 while recording. Both Paris and Prince claim that they overheard the recording process and are "adamant" that the versions on the new album were sung by a sound-a-like.
Sony, however, counter-claims that sound experts have been brought in to confirm their products legitimacy, and they believe that the children are being "manipulated" by Katherine Jackson because she doesn't want the album released!
This is just out of control, and we truthfully have no idea what to believe ourselves!
But to think that Sony would knowingly release an album of fake Michael Jackson songs and take advantage of his fans like that is deeply distressing.
What do U think?? Do U believe the Jackson children or Sony??
but if michael really recorded these songs, then why couldn't they just take these versiones and took someone to rerecord these songs?
Sony said experts have identified the songs as MJ's voice. Who paid for these tests?
The fake tracks are so obvious, i still can't believe the album is actually in shops.
Me thinks thou dost protest TOO much. Why does this get your tail in such a knot?
Let me play devil's advocate for a moment and agree with you that the voice on the tracks are non-MJ. Suppose that MJ was tired of doing the "Michael Jackson" charade and wanted to hang it up, finally. After all, "Michael Jackson" has been marketed for decades as an ageless young man, of 29. (No offense at all, Mikey <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> ) It was getting harder to fake(without magic) at 50. This may be what "he" meant, when "he" said in the Bashir interview, that he was Peter Pan, never aging. There have been NO telltale ALBUM cover photos of the man's real age since BAD, and even that one was doctored up... Since then, it is ALL artwork. So, he pulls this death hoax to fictionally END his fictional persona and act, and then , somehow cannot BEAR all the crying about his death and loss. Suppose he feels such compassion for not only fans, but the dear little Monster, himself, "Michael Jackson", and CAN'T go through with the killing...AWWWW <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
WHAT is he to do? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
The same thing they do with ANY act, when the original player opts out of his contract...THEY REPLACE HIM. Look at Batman, Superman, Santa Clause
( <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> OH, NO, HIM, TOO?? HE's not REAL <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s
Suppose that clever perfectionist found a way to keep the magic going by handpicking and tutoring someone of similar vocal pattern and resonance, to replace HIM in the ACT, so it can continue. (Way not likely, but work with me, here <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> )
Face it, the "Michael Jackson" we have all known and loved for at least two decades, perhaps as far back as his solo debut has been mostly a SHOW, not reality. It's too late to get all bent about a voice substitution, IMHO, NOW...
But...I don't think MJ has done this yet. I still beLIEve he is hellbent on the melodrama of killing his Sparkling Boy off in a fake pyrotecknic cloud of drug use and suicide. I still think he is following the pattern of the things in the 1980 version of The Elephant Man. But I have to tell you this(and not you personally, but, anyone griping about not liking the sound, especially on the 3 Cascio assisted tracks):
If I were MJ and I were given SUCH grief over a dissimilarity in sound on my best effort to keep Michael Jackson alive for future generations, I'd put him away in a box forever, TOO. I don't know how any of you feel or are inside, and we are absolutely free to investigate, respectfully, but I do know ingratitude <!-- s
I LOVE this album. What a GIFT. I am grateful that he is even working (for us <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> ) still. He could have evaporated and deserted us. He would have gotten clean away with it.... <!-- s
Anyway, devil's advocate, aside, it is ALL MJ (or, let's say, it is the same guy we've BEEN listening to since BAD <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ) singing on the songs on MICHAEL. Even the one which seems to have more clear sinus resonance. Vocals were probably recorded originally, well over 20 years ago, maybe even before he broke his nose, or right after the surgeries. Or maybe he's got a little cold on these recordings. I don't hear ANY different than MJ, himself. He was ALWAYS, always laying down songs on professional tracks to play with them later. Listen to songs like, You Are There , I'll Come Home To You, One Day In Your Life, Heaven Knows I Love You. Not that he wrote all of these, but it is him, way younger, singing them. And you do know how hard it is for the human ear alone, to differentiate between many voices singing at once, eh? Keep listening to MICHAEL and give him a chance to get to you. It is him. I can't believe you said you feel NO SOUL on these!! <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
I beLIEve we were TOLD about these tracks being different, to CAUSE us to scrutinize them. MJ WANTS us to listen to them millions of times, so the message will get in. This is ingenious and so cool. It is like a parent hiding the icky mashed brussel sprouts <!-- s:x -->:x<!-- s:x --> in some tasty meatloaf for you!! <!-- s
He is SO funny, I just LOVE his twisted <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ways <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> <!-- s
Hi. Since you formed the question, I will use your post to answer.
But first, to the people saying there are seven MJ songs and 3 fakes: You are saying it wrong. This is how it IS: Seven regular songs, same-ole-same-ole Hot MJ, making me sweat and fly out of my seat to move SOME thing or die in heart pounding anguish...and three Songs, also MJ, with his hands on my shoulders shaking me to wake up and see something which he can't simply spell out. That's how it is. I am just wondering WHAT is so imperative... <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> We need to get this. It is important to him.
I looked around to find why everyone got SO nuts over BN, and couldn't find for certain, the "first blood", so, as you seem to be concerned about the so-called voice enhancement, I CAN make you feel better about this. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
TR is being bad and stirring up trouble. He should have admitted HOW or WHAT had been enhanced, instead of leading very suggestible people, who are on their last <!-- s:x -->:x<!-- s:x --> nerve after 18 months of Watching, to believe he had "enhanced" MJ's SINGING voice. That's like painting a handlebar mustache on the Mona Lisa. <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> WHAT was he thinking, taking his life in his hands like that??? <!-- s
Listen to Breaking News, to the very beginning talk, @:13 and :26. A person says TWICE, versions of this phrase,
"...made against a performer" and,
"...more allegations made against a performer"
THAT voice is Michael Jackson!
It IS. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->
I don't know if any of the others or all of the other male voices are him, but I bet the voice saying the "she's Hollywood", etc., on Hollywood Tonight is him, TOO! This is all that was "enhanced", IMHO, no singing parts. Take a good listen. The way he says, "star" <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
MJ is a NUT <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> . A one man Circus. Maybe he feels like, after making us cry so hard at his fake death, that he doesn't deserve our love, and feels more comfortable making people mad at first? <!-- s
But do we have any other evidence besides your ear that this is actually MJ saying those spoken parts in the two tracks in question?
My ear says the vibrato is not MJ style in those tracks. Unless, he swallowed a giant mosquito. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Thank you, thank you. As a matter of fact we DO have better, more convincing evidence! That would be YOUR OWN ears. You would believe yourself, right? Whip them out, here is your homework... <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
I have listened to Michael Jackson talk for many hundreds of hours--which is a LOT, because he very seldom talks---mostly sings. He has a very, VERY unique way of saying certain words and letters, and it is even more pronounced at certain times.
I don't know what those circumstances are, whether he is overly tired or has had a couple of drinks or antibiotic meds, or just has been all alone (no people at all for a day or a week) and speaks without the influence of anyone else's way of saying things. Just sometimes, he has a more pronounced Southern accent--I feel Alabama--Heaven Knows I Love You and sometimes it is just the way he throws his tongue out on his "L"s, as if he's reverse rolling them. I don't know how else to describe it! I have never heard ANYone say the letter "L" like this, and I've listened to hundreds of thousands--maybe a million people talk, by now.
He has a very whispery, breathy voice sometimes as in BOTDF, and in Keep It In the Closet it sounds like the talking voice breathing on Hollywood Tonight. Also, when he says the word "star" the same way he sings it in Someone In The Dark.
When I loaded all his songs into my new computer, I somehow switched speeds and royally screwed everything up (until it righted itself--either through Media Player online or a reboot---I still don't know!). <!-- s
Although, deeper and stretched out, I could still tell it was MJ by the imprint of the way he says things, already in my brain. I can SEE those particular full lips as they say/sing just exactly THAT way.
Listen to the word "performer", on BN and on any public chat/speech he's had with anyone where he says the word. It is HIM. Fast or slow, high or low, I'd know him ANYwhere, as long as I can hear him say enough words which give him away! He sometimes leaves consonants, like d and k off the ends of words, as if his soft palate is swollen, as in an allergic reaction, or infection. He says the words, "truth" and "you", like no one else, because of the way he uses those lips to form the words. He does something unique with words starting with "Th" sometimes. Same tongue thing. He kinda "throws" it out on the "a" in the word "that". This is SO cute. I am not picking him apart, or telling any medical secrets, if he has any---IDK him; I just LOVE his uniqueness, and I know what can change a voice.
One reason you don't see a lot of people covering his works is because everyone knows there is something there, which they cannot top: his heart and soul, in the form of a zillion little emotive all human sounds, which actually MAKE the hit ALL his, pretty much forever... <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
As far as vibrato goes, he always experimented with varying degrees, depending on the song, and how much he worked with it. Listen to You Are My Life, Heal The World", Gone Too Soon, and in She's Out Of My Life. You can also hear him say "don't know" the very same way he says it in Monster, and you can hear the way he says some "L"s.
On another thread---someone said he never says words which should have an "R" sound, as an "A" instead, until the "Michael" album, as if he were trying to sound British. I think the words they used (phonetically)were, "rest-A-ront", instead of "res-taurant", and "monstA" instead of monstER. Not true. He does this ALL the time. RemembA <!-- s
If you want a sample of some of his "urgent-secret-whispery" talk, as he does on Hollywood Tonight, listen to him talk at the beginning of (and during) Dangerous!!!! Now imagine him speaking this through a PVC pipe or some other goofball thing he and his mad minstrels come up with to create UNIQUE sounds. If you have the equipment, and know what you are doing <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> <!-- s
It is ALL MJ, those two places I mentioned (HT & BN). Now, those bad boys (MJ & TR) MAY have thrown some other voice in to throw us off, one time, but until I actually spend time on it, I'm saying it is all Mike. I haven't been listening to the CD for so much investigation as for sheer PLEASURE, but when I heard those lips say the word "performer", my face involuntarily went : <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> .
Hey, the mind knows what it already knows. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
And I KNEW <!-- s:idea: -->:idea:<!-- s:idea: --> that the talk parts were what they meant were "enhanced"!
I am telling you, ALL we need to prove it is him is in his genuine previous works. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> I listen to something of his every day (addicted <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> ). Do like they do to find counterfeit money: the experts make themselves very familiar with the genuine. Then, without scrutiny, the true happily matches up and the false, and what <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ABOUT it is false, stands out like a stick in the eye. <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
You seem to be very convincing in your ideas. Yo convinced me as to the "MonstA-RemembA" pronunciation. Yes, I admit - Michael plays with the pronunciation very often.
Although, I have absolutely no doubts as to "Hollywood Tonight", I mean, my heart and ears say that it is MJ singing the whole song, I DO HAVE doubts as to "Monstah", "Breaking News" and "Keep Your Head Up".
I'd like to you to listen to the following sentences and tell me what you hear:
"KYHU":
"She wipes the tears away" - the word "tears" is revealing - it doesn't sound like MJ at all!
"We can just rise up tell me now" - "rise up" sounds nothing like MJ
"Don't give up today" -->
"I wish the love would come today" - the pronunciation of "today" is wayyy offf...
"Monstah":
"Just look in the mirror" - the word "just" sounds too hard, MJ pronounces this word much softer
"He's coming at ya
Coming at ya rather to fast
Mama say mama got you in the zig zag" - this whole verse doesn't sound like him. The lower tones are not him. He voice is not as deep as his...
"What you do to me" - "do to me" - it doesn't sound like him.
the verse that starts at 3:50, sung with mosquito-falsetto: "Say you wanna be a star..." and so on - when I first heard it I was like "WTF? Who is it??? It's not him, for God's sake"
I was at the music shop today. I saw "Michael" on the shelf. I always try to touch and hold MJ CD's for a moment when I'm in the music shop (I just can't resist) and I saw the following senence at the back of the CD: "This album contains 9 previously unreleased vocal tracks performed by Michael Jackson. (...)" It enlighted me.
Even if MJ is not properly credited in the booklet - this sentence speaks volumes. If this is a fraud on the part of SONY and they deliberately used the voice of sb else in the recordings, THEY in fact ADMIT IT IS MICHAEL JACKSON by writing this sentence at the back of the cover of the album.
If we manage to prove it's somebody else singing in those tracks then they won't be able to deny and say "It was vever stated in the booklet that those were Mr. Jackson's lead vocals on these three tracks."
"Vocal tracks performed by Michael Jackson" means that SONY say it is Michael Jackson singing lead vocals in all tracks.