TIAI January 12

mjssoulmate

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Murray did not call 911 ... it had to be exactly at 12:21.

When Martinez asked Murray why he did not call 911, Murray said he was 'caring for his patient, and he did not want to neglect him.' 22 minutes ago via web

Isn't Murray just telling that he is well in on it, that he cares for Michael as we do and that he will not neglect him meaning that he will do what he has to do in order to help him? LOL I must be reading too much into it... now Murray also said that he loves Katherine...

I agree with the 12:21 timing that Murray was waiting for.

I also find this interesting... 111 (date 1/11) X 11 (year) = 1221!!

PureLove

I know that some believers started to lose hope with the upcoming trial of Murray. But actually all they need to remember is the numerology of the hoax. I don't get why some find it so complicated because it definitely is not. And it is the ultimate proof of this hoax. If you still think that we only have imaginary speculations, I would offer you to check out the numerology one more time. 12:21 is just one of them. What could be the possibility of a coincidence for Murray to call 911 at 12:21 exactly? And again 2 hours and 5 minutes later the "death" time comes. 2+5=7. And how can it be a coincidence to make 77 days from the “death” on June 25 to 9-9-09; and 7 days from the “burial” to 9-9-09? Check out the memorial and funeral dates. 7/7/9 and 9/3/9. The dates speak at high volumes about the hoax. All we need to do is to remember the dates and time! REMEMBER THE TIME my friends! That's what we need to do. There is no need to lose hope. Trust the man with the plan. Give him all your LOVE, support, loyalty, endurance, courage, strength and patience...Believe him and put your trust in him.

GodhaschosenMJ

I know that some believers started to lose hope with the upcoming trial of Murray. But actually all they need to remember is the numerology of the hoax. I don't get why some find it so complicated because it definitely is not. And it is the ultimate proof of this hoax. If you still think that we only have imaginary speculations, I would offer you to check out the numerology one more time. 12:21 is just one of them. What could be the possibility of a coincidence for Murray to call 911 at 12:21 exactly? And again 2 hours and 5 minutes later the "death" time comes. 2+5=7. And how can it be a coincidence to make 77 days from the “death” on June 25 to 9-9-09; and 7 days from the “burial” to 9-9-09? Check out the memorial and funeral dates. 7/7/9 and 9/3/9. The dates speak at high volumes about the hoax. All we need to do is to remember the dates and time! REMEMBER THE TIME my friends! That's what we need to do. There is no need to lose hope. Trust the man with the plan. Give him all your LOVE, support, loyalty, endurance, courage, strength and patience...Believe him and put your trust in him.

Hey, I get the honors of a redirect!! <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> And I couldn't agree with your post more PureLove!! Keep the Faith No Matter What Happens! We could still be in for a long ride with this trial! But I'm not losing any Hope over what is said in court!! The numbers speak volumes to me!!

MJonmind

So true. "Remember the TIME"! Another double meaning for his song title.

GINAFELICIA

I do believe in numbers but we have to admit coincidences really happen sometimes.
I keep thinking about Back and his refference to 25-06-2006...... you know Back's last post - he's telling us that Michael is no longer with us in physical form.....so it was only a coincidence he chose that particular date in that famous post of his with the numbers......25-06-2006 added all together is 21 and this is 777 and seems like it was only a coincidence

Sarahli

Couldn't agree more, the timing and the numerology are hard solid evidence.

Souza

the timing and the numerology are hard solid evidence.

100% agreed.

Sarahli

the timing and the numerology are hard solid evidence.

100% agreed.

Yes and people who don't understand that will waver till the end.

emeraldcity

Thanks for this heartening redirect TS. Many of us believe in the numerology supporting the hoax, and it's good to know we've been on the right track. And as MJonMind noted, MJ's song "Remember the TIME" was no doubt written with the hoax in mind <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

friendlikeme81

5-3. Seven Layers Embedded in: “THIS IS IT”

Okay, so now it’s time to reveal another big “piece” in the “piece by piece” return process (see 5-5, below). The title “THIS IS IT” has several layers of hoax information embedded in it; [...]

Layer seven: Other than the letter “H”, there are seven letters that read the same forwards and backwards: T I S I S I T. Three of these letters are vowels (layers five and six); and the other four letters are two very interesting consonants, mirrored forwards and backwards.

did you notice that T(2) and S(1) mirrored forwards results in 12 and then mirrored backwards results again in 21 which makes 12:21?

And 12:21 mirrored would be 21:12 which is T S : S T or T I S I S I T , the seventh layer of the title "This is it" that TS is speaking of in his Update 5.3.

So I think it's safe to say that the time of the 911 call is definately connected to "This is it" and to TS.
Murray had to wait until this very minute to fullfill the planning.

GINAFELICIA

OK I don't say I don't believe in numerology....and I don't want to disagree with Mr. V but sometimes coincidences are ....just coincidences.......

emeraldcity

5-3. Seven Layers Embedded in: “THIS IS IT”

Okay, so now it’s time to reveal another big “piece” in the “piece by piece” return process (see 5-5, below). The title “THIS IS IT” has several layers of hoax information embedded in it; [...]

Layer seven: Other than the letter “H”, there are seven letters that read the same forwards and backwards: T I S I S I T. Three of these letters are vowels (layers five and six); and the other four letters are two very interesting consonants, mirrored forwards and backwards.

did you notice that T(2) and S(1) mirrored forwards results in 12 and then mirrored backwards results again in 21 which makes 12:21?

And 12:21 mirrored would be 21:12 which is T S : S T or T I S I S I T , the seventh layer of the title "This is it" that TS is speaking of in his Update 5.3.

So I think it's safe to say that the time of the 911 call is definately connected to "This is it" and to TS.
Murray had to wait until this very minute to fullfill the planning.

Great observation - thanks for sharing! Numerology/mirror images/illusion ... everything is linked and perfectly dovetailed to create a perfect pattern <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

Andalusa

* People are good at recognizing patterns. While this helps people learn to read, count and recognize faces, it can also encourage people to interpret random events as patterns.
* Because of the small number of numerals that exist in the world, repetitions are inevitable.
* Because of the small number of round, square or otherwise distinctive numbers in the world, repetitions of those are inevitable as well.

The Birthday Paradox
People often express excitement when they learn that a friend or acquaintance shares their birthday. However, shared birthdays are common -- in a group of only 23 people, there is a 50 percent probability that two will have the same birthday. To learn more about the birthday paradox, check out The Birthday Problem from Wolfram Math World or our question of the day on the subject.

These criticisms can also apply to the practice of numerology. For example, some practitioners say they see their numbers everywhere, and that this confirms that numerology is real. However, according to critics, the frequent appearance is coincidental. In addition, critics point out that people are likely to remember seeing their numbers and forget seeing other numbers. In other words, a person whose number is seven will remember seeing lots of sevens while disregarding all the sixes, eights and other numbers he encounters. People are also more likely to remember the numerical attributes that apply to them while disregarding the ones that don't. This phenomenon is known as confirmation bias.

But the biggest criticism of numerology is that it's based on an invented system of counting. This system developed to allow people to count objects in groups of ten, most likely because most people have ten fingers on which to count. Even the English words for numbers, which come from Old English, reflect these groupings of ten. "Eleven" means "one left," and "twelve" is an abbreviation of "two left."

However, this system, known as a base-10 system, isn't the only -- or even necessarily the oldest -- system of counting. Indigenous tribes in Australian, New Guinea, Africa and South America developed number systems that counted in pairs. Rather than one, two, three, four, five, six, these progressed more along the lines of one, two, two plus one, two twos, two twos plus one, three twos. Some societies also used base-12 and base-60, which we still use to tell time.

In other words, numerology, like astrology, is based on an invented system that people developed to better organize the objects around them. While people often find such systems helpful on a spiritual or emotional level, there's no scientific evidence to prove that the system really works the way practitioners say it does.

Source: <!-- m -->http://science.howstuffworks.com<!-- m -->

Souza

5-3. Seven Layers Embedded in: “THIS IS IT”

Okay, so now it’s time to reveal another big “piece” in the “piece by piece” return process (see 5-5, below). The title “THIS IS IT” has several layers of hoax information embedded in it; [...]

Layer seven: Other than the letter “H”, there are seven letters that read the same forwards and backwards: T I S I S I T. Three of these letters are vowels (layers five and six); and the other four letters are two very interesting consonants, mirrored forwards and backwards.

did you notice that T(2) and S(1) mirrored forwards results in 12 and then mirrored backwards results again in 21 which makes 12:21?

And 12:21 mirrored would be 21:12 which is T S : S T or T I S I S I T , the seventh layer of the title "This is it" that TS is speaking of in his Update 5.3.

So I think it's safe to say that the time of the 911 call is definately connected to "This is it" and to TS.
Murray had to wait until this very minute to fullfill the planning.

Ah, you are right. So TS ST makes 21/12, the European way of writing December 21, or 12/21 mirrored. I get that, but what else can be meant with that? TS is 21, which is 3x7 or 777.

Souza

* People are good at recognizing patterns. While this helps people learn to read, count and recognize faces, it can also encourage people to interpret random events as patterns.
* Because of the small number of numerals that exist in the world, repetitions are inevitable.
* Because of the small number of round, square or otherwise distinctive numbers in the world, repetitions of those are inevitable as well.

The Birthday Paradox
People often express excitement when they learn that a friend or acquaintance shares their birthday. However, shared birthdays are common -- in a group of only 23 people, there is a 50 percent probability that two will have the same birthday. To learn more about the birthday paradox, check out The Birthday Problem from Wolfram Math World or our question of the day on the subject.

These criticisms can also apply to the practice of numerology. For example, some practitioners say they see their numbers everywhere, and that this confirms that numerology is real. However, according to critics, the frequent appearance is coincidental. In addition, critics point out that people are likely to remember seeing their numbers and forget seeing other numbers. In other words, a person whose number is seven will remember seeing lots of sevens while disregarding all the sixes, eights and other numbers he encounters. People are also more likely to remember the numerical attributes that apply to them while disregarding the ones that don't. This phenomenon is known as confirmation bias.

But the biggest criticism of numerology is that it's based on an invented system of counting. This system developed to allow people to count objects in groups of ten, most likely because most people have ten fingers on which to count. Even the English words for numbers, which come from Old English, reflect these groupings of ten. "Eleven" means "one left," and "twelve" is an abbreviation of "two left."

However, this system, known as a base-10 system, isn't the only -- or even necessarily the oldest -- system of counting. Indigenous tribes in Australian, New Guinea, Africa and South America developed number systems that counted in pairs. Rather than one, two, three, four, five, six, these progressed more along the lines of one, two, two plus one, two twos, two twos plus one, three twos. Some societies also used base-12 and base-60, which we still use to tell time.

In other words, numerology, like astrology, is based on an invented system that people developed to better organize the objects around them. While people often find such systems helpful on a spiritual or emotional level, there's no scientific evidence to prove that the system really works the way practitioners say it does.

Source: <!-- m -->http://science.howstuffworks.com<!-- m -->

Hey vup, back already? A tip for you: next time you come troll again, get a proxy...

bec

OK I don't say I don't believe in numerology....and I don't want to disagree with Mr. V but sometimes coincidences are ....just coincidences.......

You don't have to and neither do I but Michael does and this is his hoax.

We aren't using numerology to predict the future, Michael used numerology to plan his hoax and understanding that will help you prove it to yourself.

This is where people go wrong with understanding the numerology and what it means.

paula-c

If the numerology is a good test and i do not believe that all dates are matches. Causation is a very used when it is not a coherent explanation to situations that apparently lack it. The more we learn less "coincidences", how coincidence?

Souza

OK I don't say I don't believe in numerology....and I don't want to disagree with Mr. V but sometimes coincidences are ....just coincidences.......

You don't have to and neither do I but Michael does and this is his hoax.

We aren't using numerology to predict the future, Michael used numerology to plan his hoax and understanding that will help you prove it to yourself.

This is where people go wrong with understanding the numerology and what it means.

Yes, exactly. I tried to say that a few times, you just explained it better.

GINAFELICIA

OK I don't say I don't believe in numerology....and I don't want to disagree with Mr. V but sometimes coincidences are ....just coincidences.......

You don't have to and neither do I but Michael does and this is his hoax.

We aren't using numerology to predict the future, Michael used numerology to plan his hoax and understanding that will help you prove it to yourself.

This is where people go wrong with understanding the numerology and what it means.

ok.... so CM will be back to court on January 25th ...... so we have another numerological coincidence again, because on January 25th 1994
Michael settled the civil suit with Chandler out of court.... isn;t this a coincidence?
If the judges are real, the trial is real, how could Michael influence the date of Murray coming back to court?

taty_2crazy

I know that some believers started to lose hope with the upcoming trial of Murray. But actually all they need to remember is the numerology of the hoax. I don't get why some find it so complicated because it definitely is not. And it is the ultimate proof of this hoax. If you still think that we only have imaginary speculations, I would offer you to check out the numerology one more time. 12:21 is just one of them. What could be the possibility of a coincidence for Murray to call 911 at 12:21 exactly? And again 2 hours and 5 minutes later the "death" time comes. 2+5=7. And how can it be a coincidence to make 77 days from the “death” on June 25 to 9-9-09; and 7 days from the “burial” to 9-9-09? Check out the memorial and funeral dates. 7/7/9 and 9/3/9. The dates speak at high volumes about the hoax. All we need to do is to remember the dates and time! REMEMBER THE TIME my friends! That's what we need to do. There is no need to lose hope. Trust the man with the plan. Give him all your LOVE, support, loyalty, endurance, courage, strength and patience...Believe him and put your trust in him.

I couldn´t agree more with you PureLove. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

ladymjc

1+2+5+2+0+1+1= 12. It's the beginning of the end. Maybe we need to start adding up later dates that equal 21.

PureLove

OK I don't say I don't believe in numerology....and I don't want to disagree with Mr. V but sometimes coincidences are ....just coincidences.......

You don't have to and neither do I but Michael does and this is his hoax.

We aren't using numerology to predict the future, Michael used numerology to plan his hoax and understanding that will help you prove it to yourself.

This is where people go wrong with understanding the numerology and what it means.

ok.... so CM will be back to court on January 25th ...... so we have another numerological coincidence again, because on January 25th 1994
Michael settled the civil suit with Chandler out of court.... isn;t this a coincidence?
If the judges are real, the trial is real, how could Michael influence the date of Murray coming back to court?

There is not a coincidence in this hoax. Everything is very well planned. If you read TS' posts well, you would understand how impossible the numerology to be just a coincidence. And NOBODY could prove TS is wrong. All of the numerology in this hoax can be a coincidence? What is the possibility of it? Can you pls show it to us if you think that it is all just a coincidence, or just some of them are coincidences?

Who said the trial is real? The trial is the fiction in reality. It has to look real because this is a hoax and Michael is still dead to the world. But it doesn't mean that it is real. Just a few key people in the authorities is enough to make this hoax work. And of course the date of the Murray trial is not a coincidence again.

GINAFELICIA

Oh I hope you are all right

mdc

OK I don't say I don't believe in numerology....and I don't want to disagree with Mr. V but sometimes coincidences are ....just coincidences.......

You don't have to and neither do I but Michael does and this is his hoax.

We aren't using numerology to predict the future, Michael used numerology to plan his hoax and understanding that will help you prove it to yourself.

This is where people go wrong with understanding the numerology and what it means.

ok.... so CM will be back to court on January 25th ...... so we have another numerological coincidence again, because on January 25th 1994
Michael settled the civil suit with Chandler out of court.... isn;t this a coincidence?
If the judges are real, the trial is real, how could Michael influence the date of Murray coming back to court?

There is not a coincidence in this hoax. Everything is very well planned. If you read TS' posts well, you would understand how impossible the numerology to be just a coincidence. And NOBODY could prove TS is wrong. All of the numerology in this hoax can be a coincidence? What is the possibility of it? Can you pls show it to us if you think that it is all just a coincidence, or just some of them are coincidences?

Who said the trial is real? The trial is the fiction in reality. It has to look real because this is a hoax and Michael is still dead to the world. But it doesn't mean that it is real. Just a few key people in the authorities is enough to make this hoax work. And of course the date of the Murray trial is not a coincidence again.

I don't think any of this is a coincidence. However, I have to question who really planned it all. That's my biggest problem and fear. There. I said it.

Unknown

ok.... so CM will be back to court on January 25th ...... so we have another numerological coincidence again, because on January 25th 1994
Michael settled the civil suit with Chandler out of court.... isn;t this a coincidence?
If the judges are real, the trial is real, how could Michael influence the date of Murray coming back to court?

And this is a weird coincidence too. I posted about this date before Murray's hearing was scheduled and I wasn't aware that the Chandler case had been settled on that date either. Someone posted about in the original thread, I made about the date. It seems too ironic that this is Murray's next hearing and that the CBS article says Michael "DIED" on this date. This could be that his heart was broken, that he died emotionally because of this settlement... <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->

by Serenitys_Dream » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:19 am

I have been playing around with dates because I am researching something. Anyways, the 2005 trial started on February 28, 2005 and I was figuring out days between events.

Between February 28, 2005 and December 21, 2012 there are 2853 days NOT including the end date.

Between February 28 and December 21, 2012 there are 2854 days including the end date.

Half way between these two dates is 1427 days or about January 25, 2009.

I googled Michael Jackson and January 25, 2009 and one of the pages that came back in the results was a time line page from CBS News.

Michael Jackson
A look at the highs and lows in the life of the "King of Pop"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/06/entertainment/main5137880.shtml

At the bottom of the page is the following:



I'm not sure if this is just a typo or what but the web address has the date 2009/07/06. I take that to mean that the article was posted on July 6, 2009 so it has been up for a long time with this incorrect information in it.

http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=17140

StrangerInCalifornia

ok.... so CM will be back to court on January 25th ...... so we have another numerological coincidence again, because on January 25th 1994
Michael settled the civil suit with Chandler out of court.... isn;t this a coincidence?
If the judges are real, the trial is real, how could Michael influence the date of Murray coming back to court?

And this is a weird coincidence too. I posted about this date before Murray's hearing was scheduled and I wasn't aware that the Chandler case had been settled on that date either. Someone posted about in the original thread, I made about the date. It seems too ironic that this is Murray's next hearing and that the CBS article says Michael "DIED" on this date. This could be that his heart was broken, that he died emotionally because of this settlement... <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->

by Serenitys_Dream » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:19 am

I have been playing around with dates because I am researching something. Anyways, the 2005 trial started on February 28, 2005 and I was figuring out days between events.

Between February 28, 2005 and December 21, 2012 there are 2853 days NOT including the end date.

Between February 28 and December 21, 2012 there are 2854 days including the end date.

Half way between these two dates is 1427 days or about January 25, 2009.

I googled Michael Jackson and January 25, 2009 and one of the pages that came back in the results was a time line page from CBS News.

Michael Jackson
A look at the highs and lows in the life of the "King of Pop"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/06/entertainment/main5137880.shtml

At the bottom of the page is the following:



I'm not sure if this is just a typo or what but the web address has the date 2009/07/06. I take that to mean that the article was posted on July 6, 2009 so it has been up for a long time with this incorrect information in it.

http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=17140

That is extremely interesting especially if it was posed in July. How could someone mix up Jan. with June, considering it was still June a week before the article was posted. And how did nobody notice it?? I'm not sure that its a clue but that is weird.