Jackson's mum speaks before trial

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Jackson's mum speaks before trial

Michael Jackson's mother has revealed she has "mixed emotions" about the upcoming trial of the doctor charged in connection with her son's death.

Katherine Jackson, the matriarch of one of music's most famous families, said the pain of the pop superstar's loss nearly two years ago remains and the potential punishment for Dr Conrad Murray doesn't seem like it's nearly enough.

"Sometimes I think why have a trial if... the maximum sentence is only four years," she said.

Mrs Jackson intends to make a daily trip to the trial, which begins on May 9. She has not spoken to Dr Murray, who has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter, although she has seen him often from her seat at pre-trial hearings in the case.

"I'll be there, but it just hurts me because my son is gone and for forever and this man is trying to get away and get off," she said. "He needs to be punished."

The grandmother said she went to Michael's home after his death to clean up. There, she found several reminders he had scribbled to himself.

"He had notes around," she recalled. "'Discipline with love.'"

Mrs Jackson said the outpouring of grief and support from the Smooth Criminal singer's fans after he died also meant a lot to her.

"They felt my pain," she said. "It meant a lot to me. And at that time, I needed all of that to know the world was with me, the world felt my pain."

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PureLove

"Sometimes I think why have a trial if... the maximum sentence is only four years," she said.

Of course. The fuss is not worth it. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

There, she found several reminders he had scribbled to himself. "He had notes around," she recalled. "'Discipline with love.'"

I'm sure he left notes behind to let people know what exactly they needed to do. Director's notes to actors. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->

And I wonder who Michael is disciplining with the L.O.V.E? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

suspicious mind

ahh she is saying she was there cleaning up . ahh when was that ? when the others were there ? before the police went? is this the first we heard of her being there herself?

hesouttamylife

What puzzles me about this is that there are times when Mrs. Jackson seems to think Murray is guilty. At other times, she says he was innocent and set up. I just don't know.

allforlove

Mrs Jackson said the outpouring of grief and support from the Smooth Criminal singer's fans after he died also meant a lot to her.

Why would they refer to Michael with this song? Maybe because he's acting like a smooth criminal himself to get back at all his enemies? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

Lovely One

What puzzles me about this is that there are times when Mrs. Jackson seems to think Murray is guilty. At other times, she says he was innocent and set up. I just don't know.

Agree. I have heard her make both statements. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

suspicious mind

cnn just had on their ticker at the bottom of the screen that the trial could be delayed. haven't seen any story yet.
interestingly enough it was grouped with entertainment stuff.

PureLove

ahh she is saying she was there cleaning up . ahh when was that ? when the others were there ? before the police went? is this the first we heard of her being there herself?

Yeah we heard Latoya went to the house but it seems like Katherine was with her too. They "lost" a son and a brother and they went to the house for the cleaning up? <!-- s --><!-- s -->

heartphantom

A friend of mine , the next minute her father died, went out to throw the garbage.
Michael is alive but my point is do not judge people's reactions, because even you might be surprised by your own some day. We cannot get to right conclusions judging by the emotional reactions to what "should be right to do" or "what should we have done instead".

PureLove

A friend of mine , the next minute her father died, went out to throw the garbage.
Michael is alive but my point is do not judge people's reactions, because even you might be surprised by your own some day. We cannot get to right conclusions judging by the emotional reactions to what "should be right to do" or "what should we have done instead".

As I do not believe they really went to the house to do the cleaning up and this is just a scenerio, I'm laughing it <!-- s --><!-- s --> And I do not believe IF Michael was really dead, they would be going to the house for the cleaning up with that shock. Maybe your friend's father was old or sick for a long time and maybe his death was expected but Michael's so called death was so sudden if it was real. And with that shock I do not believe that the Jacksons would be thinking about the cleaning up. There're several maids in that house to do it.

heartphantom

It was not an expected death and even so i dont think you're in the mood for throwing the garbage the next minute. But if i ask her today why did she do this she says: "i don't know what i was thinking. I really don't". My guess is she was in shock.
In Michael's situation i agree with you.My friend's attitude was just spontanous and lasted for like 5 minutes.

GINAFELICIA

When I heard Ms. Katherine saying "My son is gone forever" I believed Michael is dead you guys.....
I just can't see his Mother acting, saying he's gone when in fact he's alive. Does this make sense to any of you?

Or maybe his Mother doesn't know about the hoax? Is this possible? TS once suggested this but we've been told Michael loved and respected her so much, he couldn't do this to his own mother could he?

PureLove

When I heard Ms. Katherine saying "My son is gone forever" I believed Michael is dead you guys.....
I just can't see his Mother acting, saying he's gone when in fact he's alive. Does this make sense to any of you?

Or maybe his Mother doesn't know about the hoax? Is this possible? TS once suggested this but we've been told Michael loved and respected her so much, he couldn't do this to his own mother could he?

You lose hope so easily Gina. I'm exhausted too but I never lose my hope about him being alive. After thousands of things we have found, I really do not know how you can still think that he can be dead. And of course Katherine knows about the hoax and I do believe that she's talking like this because she couldn't see Michael too much during the last 2 years and this must be so hard for her not to see her son. She's going with the scenerio Michael gave to her. She's doing what she was told. And her longing for Michael is also giving her these emotions. Now cheer up Gina. Because Michael is alive. And you know it with your heart. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

GINAFELICIA

But I lose hope because she is his mother, how can she lie?!
it's against her religion to lie, it's against commone sense to lie about your child's death.

I prefer to think she doesn't know about the hoax (another unbelievable option...but maybe she did something to upset Michael prior to his death....I don't know what else to think <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> )

PureLove

But I lose hope because she is his mother, how can she lie?!
it's against her religion to lie, it's against commone sense to lie about your child's death.

I prefer to think she doesn't know about the hoax (another unbelievable option...but maybe she did something to upset Michael prior to his death....I don't know what else to think <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> )

If we think that this hoax has a film side in it, Katherine is just playing her role according to the script. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> That's not lying, just acting for her son's safety. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

heartphantom

Katherine was also the only one crying at the funeral. How can Teddy KNOW and Katherine not? I don't think it's possible. Maybe some of his family don't know, but i am sure about parents and brothers/sisters. But Katherine ... is she that a good actress? Yes, i could see Paris' fake crying after starting to discover the hoax but Katherine's still looks real.

bec

Well then let's all let go and move on with our lives because Katherine cries. Hoax over.

hesouttamylife

I think Katherine is just tired and it is probably very hard and unnatural for her to play her part because of her religion. I still cannot get the picture of her shpping for those sleeping bags out of my head. It just doesn’t fit a grieving mother. Sorry, been there myself losing a child suddenly, and I know it is terribly out of character unless she was in total, and I mean absolute shock and disillusion. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

voiceforthesilent

Gina - your personality appears to be one that leads by emotion. You are valuable to society as you keep us connecting a little more to the emotional aspect of life instead of just cold, hard reality. However, it's important not to be swayed totally be feeling because feelings can be up and down and a bit deceptive.

I do understand why you think the way you do with this as Katherine keeps me puzzled too. However, when she was interviewed by Oprah she showed more emotion over the 2005 trial and the false allegations rather than Michaels "death". That's why I think this has something to do with clearing his name.

Taking this from a mothers point of view, if this hoax were to clean up Michael's image, to bring vindication, and the help put Michael back on top where he belongs, I think she would be 100% vested. If this were because Michael was in some sort of danger, she would be extremely worried about him and would do whatever was asked of her. If this is for a movie, I think she would do this for Michael if the reasons (to bring awareness, love, healing to the world) were pure enough. And we cannot forget that she's changed her story more than once too. And we cannot forget that she has to be worried about the backlash when Michael returns.

If by some extreme cosmic chance that Michael is dead, I wonder emotionally how she would have been strong enough to go shopping. Not that she couldn't or wouldn't but she didn't look overly upset in the videos that we've seen of her shopping. That was what - one or two days after Michael's death. It just seems like she would have had a harder time keeping it together emotionally. That was her beloved son. So, that is what I keep thinking about.

Blessings.

When I heard Ms. Katherine saying "My son is gone forever" I believed Michael is dead you guys.....
I just can't see his Mother acting, saying he's gone when in fact he's alive. Does this make sense to any of you?

Or maybe his Mother doesn't know about the hoax? Is this possible? TS once suggested this but we've been told Michael loved and respected her so much, he couldn't do this to his own mother could he?

suspicious mind

But I lose hope because she is his mother, how can she lie?!
it's against her religion to lie, it's against commone sense to lie about your child's death.

I prefer to think she doesn't know about the hoax (another unbelievable option...but maybe she did something to upset Michael prior to his death....I don't know what else to think <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> )

i don't know that much about her religion but from the story souza recanted about a family member and jw , it might be that if he chose some other religion that to katherine he might be as good as dead. maybe fordtocarr would know. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

fordtocarr

But I lose hope because she is his mother, how can she lie?!
it's against her religion to lie, it's against commone sense to lie about your child's death.

I prefer to think she doesn't know about the hoax (another unbelievable option...but maybe she did something to upset Michael prior to his death....I don't know what else to think <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> )

i don't know that much about her religion but from the story souza recanted about a family member and jw , it might be that if he chose some other religion that to katherine he might be as good as dead. maybe fordtocarr would know. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

You know...that could be true!! I didn't think of that. If he became another religion, she could feel as though he is spiritually dead. WOW. that's a good one. I had tended to think she was acting, and this a movie script that will be explained at some time in the future. There are things she does that bothers me anyhow, as with selling flowers for Mother's day. She tried to say that they can be gifts any time..as thought it's not a holiday thing, but it is promoted with her pic and Mother's day written there. I'd say maybe Katherine left the Witnesses, but, at we did see her taking Michael's kids to a Kingdom hall ..although some time ago now. And presumably the kids have celebrated birthdays and holidays, even though they live with her! So, I'm not putting a lot into Katherine not lying anylonger either. I'm not suppose to judge, and really, I can't know her heart, and do only know what is reported and we know Michael taught us against that!
But, I really wonder if he'd join another religion too, because of sending his kids with Katherine and them going to the hall. Plus it has been reported of Michael going to meetings and conventions again not too long ago. So, it's still just a mystery. I know Katherine is one thing that bothers a lot of us, me included. But, either Michael is gone for real or she's lying, or she's left the religion, or she's getting around a lie with words, like, "dead" as in spiritually...or it's a movie. I know this is no help, and believe me if I could help, I would, but she is a puzzle. One that concerns me and breaks my heart.
I still choose to think this is going to be a movie eventually and she's going with that.

suspicious mind

But I lose hope because she is his mother, how can she lie?!
it's against her religion to lie, it's against commone sense to lie about your child's death.

I prefer to think she doesn't know about the hoax (another unbelievable option...but maybe she did something to upset Michael prior to his death....I don't know what else to think <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> )

i don't know that much about her religion but from the story souza recanted about a family member and jw , it might be that if he chose some other religion that to katherine he might be as good as dead. maybe fordtocarr would know. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

You know...that could be true!! I didn't think of that. If he became another religion, she could feel as though he is spiritually dead. WOW. that's a good one. I had tended to think she was acting, and this a movie script that will be explained at some time in the future. There are things she does that bothers me anyhow, as with selling flowers for Mother's day. She tried to say that they can be gifts any time..as thought it's not a holiday thing, but it is promoted with her pic and Mother's day written there. I'd say maybe Katherine left the Witnesses, but, at we did see her taking Michael's kids to a Kingdom hall ..although some time ago now. And presumably the kids have celebrated birthdays and holidays, even though they live with her! So, I'm not putting a lot into Katherine not lying anylonger either. I'm not suppose to judge, and really, I can't know her heart, and do only know what is reported and we know Michael taught us against that!
But, I really wonder if he'd join another religion too, because of sending his kids with Katherine and them going to the hall. Plus it has been reported of Michael going to meetings and conventions again not too long ago. So, it's still just a mystery. I know Katherine is one thing that bothers a lot of us, me included. But, either Michael is gone for real or she's lying, or she's left the religion, or she's getting around a lie with words, like, "dead" as in spiritually...or it's a movie. I know this is no help, and believe me if I could help, I would, but she is a puzzle. One that concerns me and breaks my heart.
I still choose to think this is going to be a movie eventually and she's going with that.

but then if you go this route it would also have to apply to jermaine wouldn't it? when she says this does she only say my son or does she say michaels name? idk her religion confuses me . does anyone know what if any church affiliation she had before jw? it seems like i read that she did not join it until early 60's.

RK

I think I've read that it was baptist. But she was disillusioned when there was immorality and adultery happening within the church. In her book [been a long time since I've read it] she said that she shared her heart regarding spiritual things with MJ, but after he left the witnesses, she never broached the subject of Jehovah with him again. Because of Witness doctrine.
To me, that would be real grief right there, at losing such closeness and intimacy with your child.

suspicious mind

I think I've read that it was baptist. But she was disillusioned when there was immorality and adultery happening within the church. In her book [been a long time since I've read it] she said that she shared her heart regarding spiritual things with MJ, but after he left the witnesses, she never broached the subject of Jehovah with him again. Because of Witness doctrine.
To me, that would be real grief right there, at losing such closeness and intimacy with your child.

humm that's interesting. pastor lucious smith is baptist. and my understanding (i heard him say it with my own ears ) that he is a friend of randy.he was on a program of clifton davis' a little while after the memorial.

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GINAFELICIA

Gina - your personality appears to be one that leads by emotion. You are valuable to society as you keep us connecting a little more to the emotional aspect of life instead of just cold, hard reality. However, it's important not to be swayed totally be feeling because feelings can be up and down and a bit deceptive.

I do understand why you think the way you do with this as Katherine keeps me puzzled too. However, when she was interviewed by Oprah she showed more emotion over the 2005 trial and the false allegations rather than Michaels "death". That's why I think this has something to do with clearing his name.

Taking this from a mothers point of view, if this hoax were to clean up Michael's image, to bring vindication, and the help put Michael back on top where he belongs, I think she would be 100% vested. If this were because Michael was in some sort of danger, she would be extremely worried about him and would do whatever was asked of her. If this is for a movie, I think she would do this for Michael if the reasons (to bring awareness, love, healing to the world) were pure enough. And we cannot forget that she's changed her story more than once too. And we cannot forget that she has to be worried about the backlash when Michael returns.

If by some extreme cosmic chance that Michael is dead, I wonder emotionally how she would have been strong enough to go shopping. Not that she couldn't or wouldn't but she didn't look overly upset in the videos that we've seen of her shopping. That was what - one or two days after Michael's death. It just seems like she would have had a harder time keeping it together emotionally. That was her beloved son. So, that is what I keep thinking about.

Blessings.

Everything is basicaly generated by an emotion. Even facts. at least this is my opinion.

I also can't understand Ms. Katherine. He said she was an icon, a saint to him, but I wonder if that was valid all the time.
Because from what I've been reading there were times when he prefered Elisabeth's support and advice than Katherine's.
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heartphantom

On the other hand Jermaine says Katherine is guided by private conversations with Michael and i don't think she has psychic powers. So maybe she is just too emotional and cries easily that's all.