he is Michael Joseph jackson

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  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    MJJ Productions:

    Black and White Nr.7 Page 28

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    MJJ Productions is tha name of his own company. It stands for Michael Joseph Jackson, Joseph is Michaels second name.


    Joe is with a J as well...

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

  • MJJ1982MJJ1982 Posts: 1,282
    Souza you are right, you can change your name.
    But I can't imagine that he was born as Joseph, then changed it to Joe, and then back to Joseph just before his 'death'... And his motown contract said Joe indeed, at that time he was way too young to change his name...
    He's definately Michael Joe Jackson.
  • MJJ1982MJJ1982 Posts: 1,282
    MJJ Productions:

    Black and White Nr.7 Page 28

    ...

    MJJ Productions is tha name of his own company. It stands for Michael Joseph Jackson, Joseph is Michaels second name.


    Joe is with a J as well...

    Souza, are you sure???
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  • Very good point Souza, it's only since June 25th (that we know of) that MJ changed his name to "Joseph" and it doesn't make sense that he'd change it from Joe to Joseph for no apparant reason. If Michael Joseph Jackson died then legally Michael Joe Jackson is still alive.

    I've a headache from all of this!!
  • MJJ1982MJJ1982 Posts: 1,282
    I think this Joe/Joseph thing is very important. I have the feeling that we sometimes look too deep into things, and in the meanwhile the truth is in front of our eyes but we just don't see it...
  • KukiKuki Posts: 346
    I think this Joe/Joseph thing is very important. I have the feeling that we sometimes look too deep into things, and in the meanwhile the truth is in front of our eyes but we just don't see it...

    You know I think the exact same thing!
  • Yes,he is Michael Joseph Jackson,and has been that since day one.

    Do you have proof? No one has ever seen his birth certificate or whatever. If his name was Joseph, then they would have put that name on legal papers and use it in court.
    I believe what Michael said. They asked him his name in court, and he said JOE.


    Yes I do,Michael always refered to himself as Michael Joseph Jackson,I heard him say it with my own ears,that's his legal name, Joe is a shortened version,I am a life long Jackson fan,he rarely used Joe,it was always Joseph.

    And I heard him say with my own ears Michael JOE Jackson when he was in court.

    What da hell does it matter they are both him,jeeez.
  • I believe that he hated his father, and that is why he always says Joe...
  • ShoutShout Posts: 560
    MJJ Productions:

    Black and White Nr.7 Page 28

    ...

    MJJ Productions is tha name of his own company. It stands for Michael Joseph Jackson, Joseph is Michaels second name.


    Joe is with a J as well...

    Oh really? I think I missed that... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
  • KukiKuki Posts: 346
    What da hell does it matter they are both him,jeeez.

    And THAT is just the question! One time he uses JOE, the other time it is JOSEPH. In my country you always have to use your full names at official moments, like in court, in your passport a.s.o. What if Michael JOSEPH Jackson died, then Michael JOE Jackson would still be alive, if JOE is his real name. That would mean that he didnt fake his own dead, so it wouldnt be illegal......
  • HopelessHopeless Posts: 278
    In the copyright catalog all names are used... <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
    Michael Joe Jackson :
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    1958 -
    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... C=21&SID=9<!-- m -->

    Michael Joseph Jackson....weird..i don't know much of this...some are older...he can't be Michael, but i show you :
    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... HC=8&SID=9<!-- m -->

    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... HC=1&SID=9<!-- m -->

    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... HC=1&SID=9<!-- m -->

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    Michael J Jackson...it's to much, please klick on the Names :
    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... Qlya&SID=9<!-- m -->

    And only Michael Jackson :
    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... akMm&SID=9<!-- m -->

    Why don't they use in this catalog different names ?
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  • MJJ1982MJJ1982 Posts: 1,282
    We all know that he's a genius, so there has to be a good reason why he's using 2 names.
  • mmzmmz Posts: 450
    I have a tape recorded of a trial in Denver for an alleged copied dangerous song,and the judge reads "Michael joseph jackson"...Don't know what to think...
  • ShoutShout Posts: 560
    In the copyright catalog all names are used... <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
    Michael Joe Jackson :
    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... C=20&SID=9<!-- m -->
    1958 -
    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... C=21&SID=9<!-- m -->

    Michael Joseph Jackson....weird..i don't know much of this...some are older...he can't be Michael, but i show you :
    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... HC=8&SID=9<!-- m -->

    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... HC=1&SID=9<!-- m -->

    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... HC=1&SID=9<!-- m -->

    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... HC=1&SID=9<!-- m -->

    Michael J Jackson...it's to much, please klick on the Names :
    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... Qlya&SID=9<!-- m -->

    And only Michael Jackson :
    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... akMm&SID=9<!-- m -->

    Why don't they use in this catalog different names ?
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    Don´t understand what you are talking about...There is Michael Jackson mentioned no Miacheal Joseph Jackson or Michael Joe. Please explain, I do not see different names.
  • ShoutShout Posts: 560
    I have a tape recorded of a trial in Denver for an alleged copied dangerous song,and the judge reads "Michael joseph jackson"...Don't know what to think...

    There is almost everywhere Michael Joseph Jackson (Motown...well was it allowed that a child could sign that passport...I think not, so Joe simply signed it and could it be that the law was different then and no one really cared about short name or full name? Who knows. I am just interested) when it is about Michaels music business if I have understood it right...in some documents appears Michael Joe Jackson for e.g. at court...FBI...
  • MJJ1982MJJ1982 Posts: 1,282
    The only explanation I can think of, is that he used the name Joseph as artist. And Joe is his real name.
  • What da hell does it matter they are both him,jeeez.

    And THAT is just the question! One time he uses JOE, the other time it is JOSEPH. In my country you always have to use your full names at official moments, like in court, in your passport a.s.o. What if Michael JOSEPH Jackson died, then Michael JOE Jackson would still be alive, if JOE is his real name. That would mean that he didnt fake his own dead, so it wouldnt be illegal......


    Good point but did anyone stop to think that maybe Michael copywrote his name under Joe and Joseph? You can do that after all there was another Michael Jackson,as a matter of fact there two.
  • SangreSangre Posts: 648
    I believe that he hated his father, and that is why he always says Joe...

    He didn't hate his father, he was just sad he didn't know his father the way he wanted to. Michael said it himself.
  • HopelessHopeless Posts: 278
    I can't believe it that there is only Michael Jackson ...
    When you surch for Michael, or Michael joe or Michael Joseph you allways found some copyrights....please surch for yourself if this link shows only Michael too.....
    It's weird !

    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... ichael+Joe<!-- m -->

    20/21 x Michael Joe Jackson Copyright
    10/1 x Michael Joseph Jackson Copyright

    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... n,+Michael<!-- m -->

    754 x Michael Jackson copyrights

    It works...yeah...must see !!!!
    Please click on the blue numbers for more informations...
    Michael and Michael joe...ok there songs i know...michael joe with the Jackson's ....but Michael Joseph ? Look his copyrights....i don't know one of them...it can't be Michael but there is the Estate of Michael Joseph and the years 1958-2009....
  • HopelessHopeless Posts: 278
    Michael Jackson or Michael Joe Jackson in the past is the one we know....BUT

    Michael Joseph Jackson

    isn't it !
    In the copyright catalog you find all and Michael has the most copyrights, Michael Joe has copyrights from the time with the Jackson 5.

    Michael Joseph Jackson has only a few and not one that i ever heard from.

    But the Estate is named Michael Joseph Jackson.

    The death certificate is from Michael Joseph Jackson.

    The autopsie too ? I don't know it in this moment...

    But i think the birth certificates are also from Michael Joseph Jackson.

    Look at the Estate...from John Branca, but i don't understand all....need my dictionary...

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  • ShoutShout Posts: 560
    Thank you hopeless. I know the songs,


    but Billy Jean??? It looks like it was written by somebody...the spelling is wrong
  • HopelessHopeless Posts: 278
    Hello Shout,

    yes the songs from Michael Joe Jackson we know, but look at the songs from this Michael Joseph Jackson

    The Songs

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    I don't know them and at this name is noticed the Estate....it looks like a absolutly different person...he has only copyrights from 1992 - 1994 and then the Estate.

    The overview :

    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... =15&SID=35<!-- m -->

    The Estate:

    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... C=1&SID=35<!-- m -->

    Sorry, i can't explain and i am sure nobody understand what i mean....i was never noticed because my english is a desaster.... i am so sorry...
  • RavenRaven Posts: 709
    I've posted this before, the whole Joe/Joseph issue is irrelevant.

    Even when the only true name is the name that is written on a birth certificate, official documents often contain misspellings in the name, even death certificates. Death certificates often contain the name the person was known for or how they used to call themselves. I've seen hundreds of death certificates, and an alternate name or name spelling does NOT make the death certificate document less valid.

    Whether his name was Joe or Joseph therefore is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. If the name on his birthcertificate spells "Michael Joseph Jackson", than that is his legal name. However he may have abbreviated it later in life as "Joe" and used it on legal documents. For the same reason, his name may have appeared on the death certificate as "Michael Joe Jackson".

    You simply CAN'T conclude that because the name on the death certificate is "Michael Joe Jackson" that it does not concern Michael!

    Another thing to one of the posters above about the legality of hoaxing a death: when someone is under OFFICIAL protection they can LEGALLY obtain a new identity.
  • ShoutShout Posts: 560
    Hello Shout,

    yes the songs from Michael Joe Jackson we know, but look at the songs from this Michael Joseph Jackson

    The Songs

    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... =15&SID=37<!-- m -->

    I don't know them and at this name is noticed the Estate....it looks like a absolutly different person...he has only copyrights from 1992 - 1994 and then the Estate.

    The overview :

    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... =15&SID=35<!-- m -->

    The Estate:

    <!-- m -->http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... C=1&SID=35<!-- m -->

    Sorry, i can't explain and i am sure nobody understand what i mean....i was never noticed because my english is a desaster.... i am so sorry...

    I think I understand what you mean. Maybe you do not know the songs but I do most of them. This underlines that the description does not belong to unknown songs, because they are popular and I bet a lot MJ fans know the songs which are presented there. Look up the songs which you do not know and learn more about them.

    It is still weird why there is Joe...I believe it was done by someone on the inet, maybe the infos are fake. I do not know...
  • ShoutShout Posts: 560
    I've posted this before, the whole Joe/Joseph issue is irrelevant.

    Even when the only true name is the name that is written on a birth certificate, official documents often contain misspellings in the name, even death certificates. Death certificates often contain the name the person was known for or how they used to call themselves. I've seen hundreds of death certificates, and an alternate name or name spelling does NOT make the death certificate document less valid.

    Whether his name was Joe or Joseph therefore is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. If the name on his birthcertificate spells "Michael Joseph Jackson", than that is his legal name. However he may have abbreviated it later in life as "Joe" and used it on legal documents. For the same reason, his name may have appeared on the death certificate as "Michael Joe Jackson".

    You simply CAN'T conclude that because the name on the death certificate is "Michael Joe Jackson" that it does not concern Michael!

    Another thing to one of the posters above about the legality of hoaxing a death: when someone is under OFFICIAL protection they can LEGALLY obtain a new identity.

    Thank you for sharing! I think it expalins everything!
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