witnesses`hearings in trial - contradictions and more
Aintnosunshine
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It`s a long read, I know, but has tons of information ... on lots of questions.
It`s a long read, I know, but has tons of information ... on lots of questions.
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-There were only 2 people in the house: Michael and Murray. Michael is deceased ?
but we know that
-Kaie, kids, nanny, Alvarez, and some security outside were at the house as well.
then
Murray:
-After realizing that Faheem Muhammad wasn’t at the property, MAW called called Alberto Alvarez at 12:17pm
who called 911 at or around 12.18, right?
BUT
-Paramedics were called at 12:12pm, they arrived at 12:26pm .
- Their first observation is that Michael’s eyes were wide open, fixed and dilated. Michael was asystole (no heart activity). Paramedics asked Murray “what’s the underlying medical condition?” Murray said “He is dehydrated, exhausted from rehearsals. No underlying medical condition” <!-- s --><!-- s -->
When people get exausted/tired, they stop breathing???
Kenny Ortega:
- After the 50 shows in London, Michael wanted to take the show internationally to places like India and Japan.
Wasn't contract initially signed for 10 shows, although Lloyds insured concert for 31 shows ( what about the rest of shows if something happens to "key person"?). So, how many shows Michael was going to give????????????????
-Chernoff asked when did they star filming for This is It movie. Ortega said “we didn’t film for that documentary.” Michael was filming for his personal use.
Chernoff’’s brilliant question” so are you saying that that from April, May and June, there is camera footage of every single rehearsal?” Ortega sidesteps a direct answer “those were for Michael’s personal use”. Chernoff “so they exist somewhere?” Ortega “Yeah”. Chernoff “Where?” Ortega “There weren’t always cameras rolling. It was always IF he asked
MICHAEL AMIR WILLIAMS: Michael Jackson Personal Assistant:
-When MAW first starting working for Michael in 2007, he knew of Murray but he met Murray in 2008 in Las Vegas So, Michael new Murray and AEG is NOT the one who hired Murray I assume.
-When Michael was pronounced dead, MAW, Frank Dileo and Murray walked in. Prince said “make sure you tell the doctor that daddy is allergic to this and that”. Frank Dileo “blurted out your daddy had a heart attack and died” Murray said “No, no, don’t tell them that. We don’t know what happened”
What about Katherine, bothers, sisters. They were not in the hospital?????
- Murray approached to MAW and said “Brother Michael, Mr. Jackson has some creams in his room that I know he wouldn’t want the world to know about it. Can you have one of the guys give me a ride to get the cream” MAW thought this request was odd because Michael had just died....
MAW contacted the security at the property and instructed them “make sure you lock it down, no one in, no one out”
After some time, Murray approached MAW again. He said he hadn’t eaten all day and he wanted someone to take him to get some food. ????
Cross by Ed Chernoff:
-MAW is connected to Nation of Islam but he didn’t hire from ‘Security Measures’ because of religion, it was because he trusted
Patrick Muhammad, Alberto Alvarez, Faheem Muhammad, Patrick Isaac and Larry (he didn’t remember his last name) are from Nation of Islam
Nanny Rosalind Muhammad is a close friend of MAW’s mom, he trusts her
The Nanny is also from Nation of Islam. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> This is something new.
- MAW feels he had more than a professional relationship with Michael, they were friends. Michael trusted him and confided in him but MAW didn’t know that Michael had insomnia. “I was never told that " It wasn’t something diagnosed by a doctor. Michael would sometimes call him like at 2:00am asking him a question but MAW never drew a conclusion that Michael had insomnia.MAW didn’t even know about the IV stand and the vials.
After MAW finished interviewing the police at Carolwood, before he left, a NEW security team hired by Tohme Tohme arrived and said that MAW’s security team was released. <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
Ok, will read further later. We need 10 Sherlock Holmes and 5 doctor Watsons here to figure things out.
make sure you tell them daddy is allergic to this and that ( maybe daddy was allergic to propofol). it says that the bottle was in the bag and that the milking substance was near the bottom. how long would it take someone to react to something they were allergic to if you cut their bag of iv sulution and put it in? remember a long time ago we talked about the bracelet and we wondered if it was a medical id bracelet? seem like the subject turned into a debate about whether it was some kind of kabala thing or whatever.
Seems like Faheem and Kathy Hilton have a foot fetish <!-- s --><!-- s -->. I will keep reading this, very good find Aintnosunshine. Thanks
-When the 911 call was over, Alberto said to Murray that they needed to move Michael to the floor. Alberto went for Micheal’s legs to carry him but there was an IV in his leg. Murray took off the IV, Alberto grabbed Michael’s left, Murray grabbed his upper body and they moved Michael to the floor. (editor’s note: Yet, Paramedic Senneff and Blount testified that when they entered, the patient was on the bed and THEY moved Michael to the floor. It isn’t adding up). When Alberto picked up Michael’s legs to move him, his body was limp -limpness n.
Synonyms: limp, flabby, flaccid, floppy. These adjectives mean lacking in stiffness or firmness.
According to Alberto’s opinion, Michael appeared dead . ???? MJ was limp=lack of stifness. BUT IF DEAD assiming since 10.30 am, MJ SHOULD HAVE BEEN STIFF.
- At Carolwood, there is a surveillance camera that records and times.Alberto doesn’t know where all surveillance cameras were pointing. He knows there is one at the gate and another by the garage.Alberto remembers seeing an ambu bag in the room . Interesting......
Recross by Ed Chernoff:
On August 31, 2009, during his interview with the police, Alberto said that he wanted to help the police first. “Maybe at a later time, I might sell my story but not just yet” said Alberto to the police.
KAI CHASE: Michael Jackson Personal Chef:
-Michael’s rehearsal on June 24 was at his home . Weird. Wasn't Michael back late at night from Staples rehearsal?
-She arrived at Michael’s home on June 25th sometime between 8 and 8:30am. She prepared breakfast for Michael’s children.Around 9 or 9:30am, she went to the market. She returned around 9:45am and started to prepare lunch. From my personal observation, there is no market close to Carolwood to go to for just 30 min. average that would include ride to the market, shopping, and getting back.
Cross by Ed Chernoff:
The contents of the text message and voice mails can be retrieved but it is beyond the scope of Mr. Dhaliwal’s expertise, he doesn’t know how. Somebody other than Dhaliwal can do it perhaps?
RICHELLE COOPER: UCLA Hospital ER Doctor:
- Dr. Cooper was the one to decide to pronounce Michael dead at 2:26pm.From the first time she authorized the pronouncement at 12:57pm to when she pronounced at 2:26pm, there was no chance in Michael’s condition.
When a patient with critical condition is brought in, UCLA has pre-arranged registration packs which includes paperwork they will need and labels. The labels are used until the official registration. Different names are used to avoid labeling every critical patient “John Doe”. This system enables immediately begin treating critical patients upon arrival without waiting on registry which would delay care. The label that they used for Michael was “Gershwin".
- Flanagan questioned her that she authorized for the first pronouncement at 12:57pm. The patient arrived at UCLA at 1:13pm. Yet, they still tried to revive Michael. Why? The report indicated that Murray felt a faint pulse which conflicted the report by Paramedics who felt no pulse.Nurse scribe note documented “13:21, weak femoral pulse palpated without CPR” The identity of who felt the weak pulse wasn’t noted. .
I was just reading some old threads and the medical I.D. bracelet was one of them....odd! Here is the link:
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In this video, at about 1:17 you can clearly see the bracelet:
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Blessings
There is no question whether MJ is allergic or not. There was no point for Prince to say "let them know daddy is allergic...." if MJ was already dead, long time ago at the house. In fact, kids were taken to the hospital. How come Prince and Paris did not notice that their father was unresponsive, dead when they ariived to UCLA. Who takes kids to hospital anyway?
I have a new theory: Michael hoax was realized with help of people from Nation of Islam.
When Michael was pronounced dead, MAW, Frank Dileo and Murray walked in. Prince said “make sure you tell the doctor that daddy is allergic to this and that”. <!-- safraid/ -->afraid/<!-- safraid/ -->
KENNY ORTEGA:" Chernoff’’s brilliant question” so are you saying that that from April, May and June, there is camera footage of every single rehearsal?” Ortega sidesteps a direct answer “those were for Michael’s personal use”. Chernoff “so they exist somewhere?” Ortega “Yeah”. Chernoff “Where?” Ortega “There weren’t always cameras rolling. It was always IF he asked. "
After MAW ( Michael Amir Williams )finished interviewing the police at Carolwood, before he left, a NEW security team hired by Tohme Tohme arrived and said that MAW’s security team was released......hmmm, why is that ?
Michael’s children entered, Prince was at the doorway about 2 steps inside, he probably didn’t have a visible on his father. Paris was on the outside, on the floor, on her knees and hands, crying. Faheem took the children to the nanny and told her to take the kids to the den (the place where they all were before “all the commotion”) Then Faheem instructed the security to prepare the cars, just in case they need to go to the hospital.Faheem testified that if 911 hadn’t arrived at that point within 5 to 10 minutes, they were going to take Michael to the hospital
Murray talking about that famous cream and saying that he is hungry.....and MJ dead at the hospital <!-- serrrr -->errrr<!-- serrrr -->
Paramedic Senneff and Blount testified that when they entered, the patient was on the bed and THEY moved Michael to the floor but Alvarez said that he went for Micheal’s legs to carry him but there was an IV in his leg. Murray took off the IV, Alberto grabbed Michael’s left, Murray grabbed his upper body and they moved Michael to the floor.
Michael required healthy food.So how come they said he had health problems and all that ? He was eating normally according to Kai Chase.
Richard Senneff , paramedic said there was no medical equipment hooked to Michael.
And so on, OMG this is so much information here but very different stories from all of them.
while i can't say for sure ( cause i wasn't there) it sounds like the child made this statement as murray and frank were going into the room where they were. i would think (personal opinion) that the kids would not have a concrete concept of what was goin on . that they would want to believe that things were goin to be ok. and that they wanted to offer some help to their father. so to my mind their offering up this info would be important in a real situation. does anyone remember ( maybe it was in the pig thread ) when someones lawyer wanted testimony from someone about how michael reacted or behaved under certain sedation or something? is it possible that that testimony would lead to the knowledge that it was known that he was in fact allergic to this particular substance ? just saying.
Why do not they have gotten the first version, which Murray was alone with Michael and found him dead after two minutes in the bathroom?
Can be that someone forgot the script? <!-- srr/ -->rr/<!-- srr/ -->
This looks like he wasn't supplying one person only. It's seems so odd to me that he would order all of this medication in such a short time. Does that seem normal to you guys? And why would he have it shipped to his girlfriend's house? Sorry if I'm asking questions that already have been answered, I just find that really crazy.