<br />They are showing this picture so all can be put to rest, including Michael. They are well aware of the hoax. Michael has gone to meet his maker and as difficult as it must be for those of you who have spent endless hours connecting dots and theories; There comes a time when you have to say stop. A time of acceptance. A time to greive. If there is anything positive to be gained by this hoax is that you all have 2 years spent together and you will be able to support each other through this time of sorrow. The majority of the world has already cried their tears and we are prepared to be here for all of you as you begin your walk down that path.<br /><br />Blessings and major love to you all.<br />
<br />Have you read the AR? If that report is Michael Jackson... I'm Queen Elizabeth!<br />
<br /> <br />@Love4MJ I want to tell YOU to stop. You don't believe, so please leave us alone. <br />Why do non-believers keep coming here to tell us what we should think crash/ ? <br />I actually don't need your advices to form my own opinion. <br /> <br />
<br /> <br />You are being so negative you are not looking outside of the box. You are so focused on that picture you saw and you made your conclusion that this is Michael dead.. Look very well, I don't see Michael at all. I see a person who ressembles Michael that is it. How may impersonators look so much like Michael? I for one met an impersonator last year, and yes he could have been his twin brother. What gave him away were his hands, no one has Michaels curly fingers, and tinted nails.. So my dear, it is you prerogative to believe what you want, but please do not be negative towards us, we do not tolerate it. We do all have our opinions and I understand yours, but you need to analyse more options. blessings. <br />
<br /><br />Are you talking to me?!?!?!?<br />
<br /> <br />No Ginafelicia.. I replied to Love4MJ
<br />The people giving up because of this photo, what caused you to believe Michael's alive in the first place? A memorial didn't convince you, a funeral didn't convince you, several autopsies, all family members, including Michael's children saying he's dead, there being an involuntary manslaughter trial, nothing convinced you, but a crappy photo of a supposed autopsy that barely shows "Michael's" face? I know the sight is frightening at first, but seriously... I've seen better "photos" of Bigfoot or alien autopsies. Don't get too emotional. To me, there's not much of a doubt this photo is fake. If Michael's dead and they have to deliberately influence the jury by showing "gruesome" death photos of him, why on earth won't they use a high quality photograph in which you can actually see something? I suppose there aren't any since the 21st century can't provide such a thing as a high quality image. :roll: <br /><br />These are the types of things that make me believe something's fishy. They are the reason why I doubt Michael's death, not the other way around. I just can't understand, now that they're actually showing us pictures, why they have to evoke comparisons to alien autopsies and the Lake Erie Monster, why none of them look authentic.<br /><br />Those of you believing the scar from Michael's spider bite is visible, I don't think so. First of all, take another look at this photo, I think its quality is a little better:<br /><br /><br /><br />When you take a close look, you can see another similar, lighter discoloration on the other leg. Plus, you have those discolorations on his knees, I have no idea where any of this comes from, but to me it seems bruised, sore, maybe, and the discoloration on his right leg doesn't look like a scar to me. Would it still be that dark after years? Don't discolorations due to scars fade away after a while?<br /><br />Interestingly, the autopsy report states there is a "5 x 2-1/2 inch area of hyperpigmentation" on the anterior right shin. They do not call it a scar, so it probably doesn't appear to be one.<br /><br />And when you look at the healing process of the bite, you can clearly see it looks different:<br /><br /><br /><br />It's partly lighter in the middle; would all of this turn dark to end up as a dark patch? Also, the shape, in my opinion, is completely different, the bite is much rounder than the discoloration in the autopsy photo, even when not stretched.<br /><br />I don't have a lot of medical knowledge, these are just my observations, so forgive me if I said anything wrong about scarring or the like.<br /><br />I also think it's comical you can barely see Michael's face. I mean, are those people for real? The navel should also be (more) visible, if you ask me; the photo doesn't even seem to be overexposed, so why would the navel be absent? We all know Michael's belly button is an outie and it's pretty prominent. The stomach looks like that of a wax dummy to me.<br /><br />And most importantly, let's quote from the autopsy report again, "The decedent's overall skin has patches of light and dark pigmented areas." Vitiligo is mentioned several times, and "focal depigmentation of the skin, particularly over the anterior chest and abdomen, face and arms." Can you see any of this? Because I can't. This is super weird, because the discoloration of the shin would fit, as well as some other statements, but vitiligo seems to be completely absent. Lightning? So, the lightning would still allow us to see the hyperpigmented areas and bruises, but no vitiligo? And no belly button?<br /><br />Honestly, I can't get myself to believe Michael's dead, sometimes I try to force myself, but I fail miserably, and photos such as this one, don't help. Nothing about Michael's supposed death adds up, and that's why I believe. I said from the beginning that if I got to see it with my own eyes, if a proper photo came out or video footage, I might be convinced. So far, this hasn't happened.<br />
<br /> <br />What baffles me is why take a picture with a tape and that tube still hanging on his lip.. How can we make sure it is Michael. That tape hides his nose. Yes I did see the spider bite, but he got bitten long time ago. I guess he still has a scare? As we all know this body may have been reproduced just like Michaels body but a little skinnier. I still say it is not Michael. His hand does not look like MJ..
The official greenman "WE are the world 25" for Haiti video:<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Ve8faNSS4&feature=related<br /> <br /><br /> <br /> If you believe that the "dead pre-autopsy" illusionary photo is difficult to look at - how do you think the Haitians do feel having to look at their reality every day?<br /><br /> <br /> If you think "how could Michael Jackson do this photo to his fanbase and shock them with his allegedly dead body and I am such a poor girl being deceived by him so much despite I am such a good fan",<br /><br />well, how do you look at this planet that is dying while I am typing and NOT be shocked but keep living on as ever and do nothing about it?<br /><br /> <br /> I think we in this rich part of the world are many times hypocriticals whining and wheeping about losing money or objects (including objects of interest).<br /> Fact is: the planet is dying around us and we keep sitting around in our ivory towers and wheep over a faked photo?<br /> Hello?????<br /><br />What would a Haitian orphan with no future say about this? Right.<br /><br /> <br /> It is not 5 to 12, it is 2 to 12 and Mr. Flanagan stressed that over half an hour yesterday if I recall right.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> This photo is one of Michael's wake-up calls.<br /> The trial is one of Michael's wake-up calls.<br /> The reality out there is much more frightening than any illusionary photo ever can be.<br /> <br /> Before you start wanting to throw stones on me, I am in good company. <br /> You may commence to throw stones on Michael as well.<br /> Many of his fans are doing this since quite a while without any interruption and I can imagine him very lively being as mad as hell.<br /> <br /> <br /> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxxhPKSeMR0&feature=related
Oh, Dear @GRACE!!<br /><br />WE are the world<br /><br /><br /> /bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/ <br />" <br /> This photo is one of Michael's wake-up calls.<br /> The trial is one of Michael's wake-up calls.<br /> The reality out there is much more frightening than any illusionary photo ever can be.<br /> <br /> I think we in this rich part of the world are many times hypocriticals whining and wheeping about losing money or objects (including objects of interest).<br /> Fact is: the planet is dying around us and we keep sitting around in our ivory towers and wheep over a faked photo?<br /> Hello?????<br /><br />What would a Haitian orphan with no future say about this? Right.<br /><br /> <br /> <br />It is not 5 to 12, it is 2 to 12 and Mr. Flanagan stressed that over half an hour yesterday if I recall right.''<br /><br /><br />BRILLIANT, JUST BRILLIANT OBSERVATIONS,<br />GOD BLESS YOU @GRACE!<br /><br />
I think that this pic is photoshopped or the person we see is alive.....close eyes and mouth and skin colour...i rearly hope so, because if they go so far to show a dead person in such way in public, without any reason it would be too far...what can we see that is so importend that we have to see ?<br />This white sheet on what he is lying looks like the same from the helicopter flight when they bring a stretcher with two belts in the helicopter and put different stretcher without belts out of the helicopter at the coroner. There it lookes like a body wrapped in a white sheet like this one...<br />Another point is that i am sure that they had took the tape under the nose away if rearly the family and specialy the kids had seen him.<br />I don't remember exactly what La Toya and Jermaine told about that moment...i am only sure that the kids havn't seen him in this way with a big tape under the nose.<br />
I cant work it out. I posted this pic on the other page with the autopsy photo, where "Michael" is opened up. His nipples are completely different. If you compare you will see.
<br />I cant work it out. I posted this pic on the other page with the autopsy photo, where "Michael" is opened up. His nipples are completely different. If you compare you will see.<br />
<br />thats becasue the "opensd up mj" is not mj at all.. it was some hater making fun of mj,,,
@Grace, excellent post. The autopsy pic is a wake up call for sure! I hope that people realize that and instead of turning the other cheek, they finally will open up their minds.<br />
Ignorance of people purchasing diamonds and necklaces<br />And barely able to keep the payments up on their lessons<br />And enrolled in a class and don't know who the professor is<br />How low people go for the dough and make a mess of things?
<br />From the lyrics "Shout" by Michael Jackson<br /><br /> /scream/ /scream/ /scream/ /scream/ /scream/ <br /><br />L.O.V.E.
<br />Oh, Dear @GRACE!!<br /><br />WE are the world<br /><br /><br /> /bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/ <br />" <br />This photo is one of Michael's wake-up calls.<br /> The trial is one of Michael's wake-up calls.<br /> The reality out there is much more frightening than any illusionary photo ever can be.<br /> <br />I think we in this rich part of the world are many times hypocriticals whining and wheeping about losing money or objects (including objects of interest).<br /> Fact is: the planet is dying around us and we keep sitting around in our ivory towers and wheep over a faked photo?<br /> Hello?????<br /><br />What would a Haitian orphan with no future say about this? Right.<br /><br /> <br /> <br />It is not 5 to 12, it is 2 to 12 and Mr. Flanagan stressed that over half an hour yesterday if I recall right.''<br /><br /><br />BRILLIANT, JUST BRILLIANT OBSERVATIONS,<br />GOD BLESS YOU @GRACE!<br /><br /><br />
<br />Not only Haitians, Africans, children who have lost both their parents due to aids.. There are lots of countries that are poor. We should count our blessings every single minute of the day. blessings.
I find starting a new thread on this subject confusing because I've been posting on the Official Trial Thread of Sept 27....<br /><br />What I have noticed & posted is: <br /> <br /> #1. I think the date thing was MADE to draw attention. YES the 6 is actually a 9 turned upside down... I see 3 9's = 999 in the photo = Hoax #<br /> #2. With the 6 looking like an 8 we have MJ telling us he posed for this shot on 8-25-2009. Two mos AFTER 'DEATH'. This is a Set up & photo shopped = ALIVE <br /> #3. The "truth" & photo has been "stretched" and here we are literally naval gazing! The patchiness is the Vitiligo; it is progressive so of course it's not going to match Jermaine's earlier description. This is PRE-Autopsy as there is no Y cut & the date of supposed autopsy is wrong; it should be the 26th right? ...and so is his color. Shouldn't he be a greyish cast with blue lips by now if really dead? Although I don't get the blood in the center of the chest Did the EMT's inject the heart to get it started? Somebody was sitting up on that gurney...but was it MJ or one of his Decoys???<br /> <br /> MJ is messing with us... Monster lyrics.<br /> TS are you going to comment? Some of us are a bit :-\ Even if proven fake this picture has gotten to a lot of us. <br /><br /> Re: TIAI September 27 « Reply #1305 on: October 12, 2011, 04:30:35 PM » http://youtu.be/Th-XXcdZSQM<br /> <br />
opinion a non believer with respect to photo<br /><br /><br /><br />Follow up on Autopsy Photograph<br /><br /><br />My opinion on the autopsy photo is this – not genuine. Despite the debate about the date placed on the I.D. placard next to the body (I see an eight not a six), Most autopsy photos, for identification do not include the wigs or tapes still attached to the body’s wrists (that were not there in the gurney photos).<br /><br /><br />Secondly, THE LAW in regard to showing autopsy photos in a court room <br /><br /><br />Laws on public release of autopsy photos:<br /><br /><br />Photographs/Video Recordings<br />“Any and all photographs or video recordings of the body, or any portion of the body, of a deceased person taken by or for the coroner at the scene of death or in the course of a post mortem examination or autopsy are not available for inspection at any time pursuant to Section 129 of the California Code of Civil Procedure. Anyone wishing to inspect or obtain copies of photographs will be required to obtain a court order as outlined in Section 129.” Source and page 3 of this document Source<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />That is the law. Viewing autopsy photographs is NOT the right of the media or press under the law. If viewing autopsy pictures IN COURT, generally T.V. cameras are either turned toward the judge or the shot is blacked out. <br /><br /><br />HLN showed that picture at least THREE TIMES TODAY by different hosts, each saying they are “only going to show this once”, while at the same time blasting the necessity of the court’s decision to show it. <br /><br /><br />What?!!<br /><br /><br />Looking at the photo myself I originally was NOT going to post this photograph because of Michael’s privacy. However, It didn’t look right to me. I saw some major errors, so I sent this to Micheline and I sent it to my mother, who has a graphics art background. She called me back in about an hour and this is what she told me:<br /><br /><br />“Your picture that you sent me is a bunch of other pictures spliced together and they did a really sloppy job. Very unprofessional. This picture was put together in at least three different places.”<br /><br /><br />Since this is not a real autopsy photo, I am posting the picture below so that you can determine that the sections I examined were not altered.<br /><br /><br />Screenshot of Autopsy Photo<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />- Upper arms and across the chest is a wide stripe that is a different color all the way across the picture, including the background which is also a different color. On this photo I circled the multiples of bandages/gauze that don’t normally stay on a genuine autopsy photo (You’ll see why below for comparison) and I also noted the fact that Michael’s usually prominent navel is absent. <br /><br /><br />Picture of Chest Area<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />- The legs are attached right above the knee and a different color. Line above the knee to the blacked out area is different shade as the knees and below. Also note the color of the sheet between the legs is different, line matching where the legs are different colors<br /><br /><br />Picture of Legs/Knees Area<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />- The neck is a different color and too long and the head is disproportionately large to the shoulders and length of neck. She said they should have attached the head a little bit lower. Head is different shade than the neck. Also note that the tape and tubing is still attached to Michael and in the same position as it is in the gurney shot from Day one. I also used red to point out the date, which is INDEED a number 8, not a six like Jane Vasquez tried to tell us that someone called in and said it was a six. It’s an eight.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Picture of Neck/Head Area<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Now on the picture below, this is the gurney shot from day one of trial. Notice that in this picture, Michael’s head is in the same position, just “turned” which accounts for the distortion on the photo above. Michael also had a lot more bandages on his arms in the coroner’s picture than he does in the gurney shot. The tubing is in the same position as the tubing above.<br /><br /><br />Is there any reason to ADD bandages and gauze at the coroner’s office on a dead person?<br /><br /><br />Gurney shot/Tape and Tubing<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />If I didn’t know any better, I’d say this chop-job was INTENTIONALLY bad.<br /><br /><br />My mother told me “Whoever did this photo shop job is an amateur. I want this guy’s job.” She too agreed that it looked like it was done badly on purpose. For what purpose would that be?<br /><br /><br />I remember the photo shopped jobs of the TINI girls revealed on this blog last year. Their whole web site was taken down over this and a lot of scrambling on Sam DeGosson’s pages . . . all over discovered photoshopped jobs.<br /><br /><br />Pictures of Michael with “good friends for many years” appeared in tabloids and on news shows of people being interviewed that until Michael passed were only stalkers who slept outside his gate with seemingly no jobs to support themselves while they followed his caravan of SUV’s to and from doctor appointments and the Forum and back to Carolwood.<br /><br /><br />I’m sure there will be some who will attempt to bully me into saying I’m not seeing what I’m seeing, just like last year. But all I can remember is a little saying I used to hear a lot of from my mother, growing up . . . <br /><br /><br />“Two can play at that game!”<br />http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/
<br />opinion a non believer with respect to photo<br /><br /><br /><br />Follow up on Autopsy Photograph<br /><br /><br />My opinion on the autopsy photo is this – not genuine. Despite the debate about the date placed on the I.D. placard next to the body (I see an eight not a six), Most autopsy photos, for identification do not include the wigs or tapes still attached to the body’s wrists (that were not there in the gurney photos).<br /><br /><br />Secondly, THE LAW in regard to showing autopsy photos in a court room <br /><br /><br />Laws on public release of autopsy photos:<br /><br /><br />Photographs/Video Recordings<br />“Any and all photographs or video recordings of the body, or any portion of the body, of a deceased person taken by or for the coroner at the scene of death or in the course of a post mortem examination or autopsy are not available for inspection at any time pursuant to Section 129 of the California Code of Civil Procedure. Anyone wishing to inspect or obtain copies of photographs will be required to obtain a court order as outlined in Section 129.” Source and page 3 of this document Source<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />That is the law. Viewing autopsy photographs is NOT the right of the media or press under the law. If viewing autopsy pictures IN COURT, generally T.V. cameras are either turned toward the judge or the shot is blacked out. <br /><br /><br />HLN showed that picture at least THREE TIMES TODAY by different hosts, each saying they are “only going to show this once”, while at the same time blasting the necessity of the court’s decision to show it. <br /><br /><br />What?!!<br /><br /><br />Looking at the photo myself I originally was NOT going to post this photograph because of Michael’s privacy. However, It didn’t look right to me. I saw some major errors, so I sent this to Micheline and I sent it to my mother, who has a graphics art background. She called me back in about an hour and this is what she told me:<br /><br /><br />“Your picture that you sent me is a bunch of other pictures spliced together and they did a really sloppy job. Very unprofessional. This picture was put together in at least three different places.”<br /><br /><br />Since this is not a real autopsy photo, I am posting the picture below so that you can determine that the sections I examined were not altered.<br /><br /><br />Screenshot of Autopsy Photo<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />- Upper arms and across the chest is a wide stripe that is a different color all the way across the picture, including the background which is also a different color. On this photo I circled the multiples of bandages/gauze that don’t normally stay on a genuine autopsy photo (You’ll see why below for comparison) and I also noted the fact that Michael’s usually prominent navel is absent. <br /><br /><br />Picture of Chest Area<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />- The legs are attached right above the knee and a different color. Line above the knee to the blacked out area is different shade as the knees and below. Also note the color of the sheet between the legs is different, line matching where the legs are different colors<br /><br /><br />Picture of Legs/Knees Area<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />- The neck is a different color and too long and the head is disproportionately large to the shoulders and length of neck. She said they should have attached the head a little bit lower. Head is different shade than the neck. Also note that the tape and tubing is still attached to Michael and in the same position as it is in the gurney shot from Day one. I also used red to point out the date, which is INDEED a number 8, not a six like Jane Vasquez tried to tell us that someone called in and said it was a six. It’s an eight.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Picture of Neck/Head Area<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Now on the picture below, this is the gurney shot from day one of trial. Notice that in this picture, Michael’s head is in the same position, just “turned” which accounts for the distortion on the photo above. Michael also had a lot more bandages on his arms in the coroner’s picture than he does in the gurney shot. The tubing is in the same position as the tubing above.<br /><br /><br />Is there any reason to ADD bandages and gauze at the coroner’s office on a dead person?<br /><br /><br />Gurney shot/Tape and Tubing<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />If I didn’t know any better, I’d say this chop-job was INTENTIONALLY bad.<br /><br /><br />My mother told me “Whoever did this photo shop job is an amateur. I want this guy’s job.” She too agreed that it looked like it was done badly on purpose. For what purpose would that be?<br /><br /><br />I remember the photo shopped jobs of the TINI girls revealed on this blog last year. Their whole web site was taken down over this and a lot of scrambling on Sam DeGosson’s pages . . . all over discovered photoshopped jobs.<br /><br /><br />Pictures of Michael with “good friends for many years” appeared in tabloids and on news shows of people being interviewed that until Michael passed were only stalkers who slept outside his gate with seemingly no jobs to support themselves while they followed his caravan of SUV’s to and from doctor appointments and the Forum and back to Carolwood.<br /><br /><br />I’m sure there will be some who will attempt to bully me into saying I’m not seeing what I’m seeing, just like last year. But all I can remember is a little saying I used to hear a lot of from my mother, growing up . . . <br /><br /><br />“Two can play at that game!”<br />http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/<br />
<br /><br />Hi Paula ....with all due respect just 2 things. There is a close up of the numbers and it is a 6. It's hard to tell in the larger photo but there is a photo around here of just the numbers and it is a 6. Another thing, about the bandages, I at first looked at those as weird too, now I don't know why they are still there or what the protocol is for removing things. But I did notice that the same two bandages are in the two photos. The left arm is positioned a little differently so it's a little harder to see in the gurney photo but it is there. <br /><br />Other then that, great find on the knees and neck thing, that helped a lot.
<br />@Grace, excellent post. The autopsy pic is a wake up call for sure! I hope that people realize that and instead of turning the other cheek, they finally will open up their minds.<br />
Ignorance of people purchasing diamonds and necklaces<br />And barely able to keep the payments up on their lessons<br />And enrolled in a class and don't know who the professor is<br />How low people go for the dough and make a mess of things?
<br />From the lyrics "Shout" by Michael Jackson<br /><br /> /scream/ /scream/ /scream/ /scream/ /scream/ <br /><br />L.O.V.E.<br />
<br /><br />This is one of my favorite songs and what you quoted....some of my favorite lyrics.<br /><br />Thank you.
Is it only me, but I can see some similarities of this photo from autopsy pic<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />and this from This is it<br /><br /><br /><br /> /overreacting/ <br />
<br />@Grace, excellent post. The autopsy pic is a wake up call for sure! I hope that people realize that and instead of turning the other cheek, they finally will open up their minds.<br />
Ignorance of people purchasing diamonds and necklaces<br />And barely able to keep the payments up on their lessons<br />And enrolled in a class and don't know who the professor is<br />How low people go for the dough and make a mess of things?
<br />From the lyrics "Shout" by Michael Jackson<br /><br /> /scream/ /scream/ /scream/ /scream/ /scream/ <br /><br />L.O.V.E.<br />
<br /><br />This is one of my favorite songs and what you quoted....some of my favorite lyrics.<br /><br />Thank you.<br />
There are problems with analyzing this photo. No one on the internet has a true original. They have the photo that was placed on an overhead that naturally washes out and sometimes even distorts pictures
Good morning <br /><br />I was looking at BACK's posts this morning. Here is a nice reminder that it's all under control. L.O.V.E.<br /><br />http://imageshack.us/f/245/eyesplaytricksonusy.jpg/<br /><br />PS - This was posted on the anniversary of Michael's aquittal but isn't it interesting that BACK called it a Memorum Day...<br /><br />
My opinion about the number 6 versus the number 8 - Michael did that on purpose to further prove that what we see isn't always what the truth is. Our eyes play tricks on us, just as BACK said.<br /><br />It is probably a 6 for sure but the fact that the attorney even brought up that it looked like an 8 and the coroner agreed tells me that it was meant to create controversy.<br /><br />The August 25th information found is enough for me to believe that it's no mistake or coincidence that the 6 was made to look closely like an 8 but still be a 6.<br /><br />We've proven BACK's comments to be true.<br /><br />Blessings <br />
Comments
)) http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,18805.125.html