TS Elliot discussion inspired by Front quote

skyways · April 2012

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 destination: beginning----> end destination: end----> beginning Sometimes one must venture into the opposite direction in order to come full circle and acquire NEW realizations from the SAME window-seat scenery.

Wow dear Mr. Fro_t!! destination: beginning----> end destination: end----> beginning Sometimes one must venture into the opposite direction in order to come full circle and acquire NEW realizations from the SAME window-seat scenery. THAT particular quotes of Your just openned full Phandora Box , isn’t ? ha-ha ;D - to more and more interfiere with TS religious posts and all the deep meaning we are (succesefully?) digging behind the Mega-Global Matrix of your Hoax. Shall we beginns? - from Present to Past and and Back to nowa-days. So, May I highlight couple of immediate thoughts, that crossed my mind, as I read “: beginning----> end : end----> beginning”… 4 Quartets of TS Eliot, Emerald Tablet, Hermes Trismegistus, Dionysius the Areopagite, hermetism and indian vedas tradition Besides the fact, that modern literature and ancient wisdom its one of my faaavorite topick-)) – THAT particular Front’s line is DIRECTLY applying to many of our researches and study durind loong/looud pre-bam phase. May I just go straight from the sources and then post lil bit of digging available from Wiki and els.. HERE we go East Coker from Four Quartets In my beginning is my end. In succession Houses rise and fall, crumble, are extended, Are removed, destroyed, restored, or in their place Is an open field, or a factory, or a by-pass. Old stone to new building, old timber to new fires, Old fires to ashes, and ashes to the earth Which is already flesh, fur and faeces, Bone of man and beast, cornstalk and leaf. Houses live and die: there is a time for building And a time for living and for generation And a time for the wind to break the loosened pane And to shake the wainscot where the field-mouse trots And to shake the tattered arras woven with a silent motto. [In my beginning is my end. Now the light falls Across the open field, leaving the deep lane Shuttered with branches, dark in the afternoon, Where you lean against a bank while a van passes, And the deep lane insists on the direction Into the village, in the electric heat Hypnotised. In a warm haze the sultry light Is absorbed, not refracted, by grey stone. The dahlias sleep in the empty silence. Wait for the early owl. In that open field If you do not come too close, if you do not come too close, On a Summer midnight, you can hear the music Of the weak pipe and the little drum And see them dancing around the bonfire The association of man and woman In daunsinge, signifying matrimonie-- A dignified and commodious sacrament. Two and two, necessarye coniunction, Holding eche other by the hand or the arm Whiche betokeneth concorde. Round and round the fire Leaping through the flames, or joined in circles, Rustically solemn or in rustic laughter Lifting heavy feet in clumsy shoes, Earth feet, loam feet, lifted in country mirth Mirth of those long since under earth Nourishing the corn. Keeping time, Keeping the rhythm in their dancing As in their living in the living seasons The time of the seasons and the constellations The time of milking and the time of harvest The time of the coupling of man and woman And that of beasts. Feet rising and falling. Eating and drinking. Dung and death. Dawn points, and another day Prepares for heat and silence. Out at sea the dawn wind Wrinkles and slides. I am here Or there, or elsewhere. In my beginning. T. S. Eliot Burnt Norton from Four Quartets Time present and time past Are both perhaps present in time future, And time future contained in time past. If all time is eternally present All time is unredeemable. What might have been is an abstraction Remaining a perpetual possibility Only in a world of speculation. What might have been and what has been Point to one end, which is always present. Footfalls echo in the memory Down the passage which we did not take Towards the door we never opened Into the rose-garden. My words echo Thus, in your mind. But to what purpose Disturbing the dust on a bowl of rose-leaves I do not know. Other echoes Inhabit the garden. Shall we follow? Quick, said the bird, find them, find them, Round the corner. Through the first gate, Into our first world, shall we follow The deception of the thrush? Into our first world. There they were, dignified, invisible, Moving without pressure, over the dead leaves, In the autumn heat, through the vibrant air, And the bird called, in response to The unheard music hidden in the shrubbery, And the unseen eyebeam crossed, for the roses Had the look of flowers that are looked at. There they were as our guests, accepted and accepting. So we moved, and they, in a formal pattern, Along the empty alley, into the box circle, To look down into the drained pool. Dry the pool, dry concrete, brown edged, And the pool was filled with water out of sunlight, And the lotos rose, quietly, quietly, The surface glittered out of heart of light, And they were behind us, reflected in the popool. Then a cloud passed, and the pool was empty. Go, said the bird, for the leaves were full of children, Hidden excitedly, containing laughter. Go, go, go, said the bird: human kind Cannot bear very much reality. Time past and time future What might have been and what has been Point to one end, which is always present. T. S. Eliot Law of Attraction and the Emerald Tablet of Hermes The Emerald tablet of Hermes is an essential and core document in the teachings of the Law of Attraction. The tablet is a short inscription on a green stone and it details the law of attraction and the law of manifestation. The Emerald was originally thought to have been discovered by “Balinas”. He wrote down the entire text in the syriac language. This stone is so important that many have provided their own translations including the famous Sir Issac Newton. The Emerald Tablet if Hermes and the Law of Attraction is supported by a number of other independent sources including quantum physics. The Emerald Tablet is also the basis of spiritual alchem. Here is a version of the Emerald Tablet of Hermes taken from 12th century Manuscript. “True without falsehood, certain most certain What is above is like what is below, and what is below is like that which is above. To make the miracle of the one thing. And as all things were made from the contemplation of The One, so all things were born again from one adaptation. It’s Father is the Sun, its Mother is the Moon. The Wind carried it in its womb, the Earth breastfed it. It is the Father of all works of wonder in the World. It’s power is complete. If cast to Earth, it will separate Earth from Fire, the subtle from the gross. With great capacity it ascends from Earth to Heaven. Again it descends to Earth, and takes back the power of the above and below. Thus you will receive the glory of the distinctiveness of the World. All obscurity will flee from you. This is the whole most strong strength of all strength, for it overcomes all subtle things, and penetrates all solid things. Thus the World was created. From this comes marvellous adaptations of which this is the procedure. Therefore I am called Hermes Thrice Crowned, because I have three parts of the wisdom of the whole World. And complete is what I had to say about the work of the Sun.

skyways · April 2012

BASIC INTERPETATION: The text of the Emerald Tablet starts by affirming that everything that follows is Universally true and accurate, and applies to “everything that is” without any exception. “What is above is like what is below, and what is below is like that which is above. To make the miracle of the one thing”: This statement affirms the entire Universe in all spheres of reality is not separate in any way whatsoever, but is rather a continuum from the very highest aspect of “The One”, “The Source”, the “First Cause”, down to the physical world of matter. This phrase also affirms the continuum of the Universe is equally effective and integral in all directions, above and below, below and above, all working in complete harmony as an inseparable aspect of the whole. The adaption of the one thing is where creation get’s its various colors, expressions, why stars are stars and planets are planets. They are an adaption of the One. Likewise the universe is an expression of mind, and as such we were given mind to co-create with the One, as we too are an expression of the One. This co-creation happens first in the mind, and then in the physical world. “ As above so Below.” “It’s Father is the Sun, its Mother is the Moon.” This is analogous to the creative process whereby the sperm of the father seeks the egg of the mother, the constant cycles of the Sun and the Moon representing the rhythm of the Universe and infinite creation. “The Wind carried it in its womb, the Earth breastfed it”: In this statement, “wind” is analogous to the Universal Mind as opposed to the physical element of Air, which is the mediator of the Universal elements of Fire and Water. Wind or Air as a mediation of Fire and Water therefore represents the forces involved behind the process of creation, ultimately resulting in the final Universal element of Earth in the creation process; Earth representing solidification. Earth nourishes the creation thereby providing for independent form and existence as can be clearly witnessed by the presence of the physical world of matter. “It is the Father of all works of wonder in the World”: Father represents the Prime Creator, The One, The All, the First Cause, the Quintessence of the four elements of Fire, Air, Water and Earth, the Ether, often known as “God” from Whom the aforementioned processes originated. This process is continued by you. We are co-creators with the One or First Cause because we spring forth from the One. In this we can create our own reality, and this is largely accomplished by the Law of Attraction. It is important to note, that everything external or Macrocosmic is also Microcosmic. With great capacity it ascends from Earth to Heaven. Again it descends to Earth, and takes back the power of the above and below.” This statement refers largly to the process known as the law of Vibration. However, it expresses the concept of the Law of Attraction, as the above is attracted to the below and the below to the above. Sincve the universe is primarily an expression of mind, it is vital that we monitor our thoughts as this is the microcosmic represenative of the above, and therefore that which we create in the heavens will descend to the earth and become our reality. Literally every millionaire claims that first their money was made in their mind, and then it became reality in their physical existence. It is the same with health and everything else. This statement then goes on to tell us that the powers, the Consciousness of The One then descended a second time to Earth integrating all aspects “above and below”, thus finally resulting in a fully aware force infinitely uniting the “above” with the “below” as integral aspects of the continuum of the entire Universe, from the very highest to the physical world “Thus you will receive the glory of the distinctiveness of the World. All obscurity will flee from you”: This confirms that as a result of the processes thus involved, with force descending into form during the original act of creation, and form then acting upon itself with Consciousness once again ascending into a formless state. The phrase all obscurity will flee from you is about being specific. It reminds you as co-creator to be specific with your thoughts and your goals. The law of Attraction works best when you are specific. “This is the whole most strong strength of all strength, for it overcomes all subtle things, and penetrates all solid things”: This confirms that through the act of creation as previously described, the Consciousness of The One is “whole”, complete and of infinite strength, and with the ability to work without restriction in all directions of the continuum of the Universe from above to the below and below to the above at any level of density and vibration, and in particular the power to surpass any “upwards” travelling entity. This statement also confirms your potientlal to do the same. You have the power thorught the Law of Attraction or what others call the Magic of Light to create the Universe you want. Therefore when you read the healdlines in the Newspaper, do not get angry, rather ask why you have created this world, and begin creating a world that is more in keeping with you values. There is nothing you can overcome, for all subtle things, thoughts and the spirit of thoughts can penatrate all solid things. “Thus the World was created”: This confirms by this process of force descending into form thus realising self-awareness, followed by another cycle of creation, followed by a further descent into form, this eventually results in the physical “world”, or more specifically the entire physical Universe of matter in the space-time reality. The world you create through your own inner magic is first created in the world of Spirit. This is the first creation, and from it descends back and forth creating the world of matter. Thus the law of vibration and the Law of Attraction play a special role in creating the world you want.

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@<;br /> p.s. I still have some of my findings in store- to support the above statement - not sure how to post now? Lil by lil?..

lettingitsimmer · April 2012

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 Wow dear Mr. Fro_t!! destination: beginning----> end destination: end----> beginning Sometimes one must venture into the opposite direction in order to come full circle and acquire NEW realizations from the SAME window-seat scenery. THAT particular quotes of Your just openned full Phandora Box , isn’t ? ha-ha ;D - to more and more interfiere with TS religious posts and all the deep meaning we are (succesefully?) digging behind the Mega-Global Matrix of your Hoax. Shall we beginns? - from Present to Past and and Back to nowa-days. So, May I highlight couple of immediate thoughts, that crossed my mind, as I read “: beginning----> end : end----> beginning”… 4 Quartets of TS Eliot, Emerald Tablet, Hermes Trismegistus, Dionysius the Areopagite, hermetism and indian vedas tradition Besides the fact, that modern literature and ancient wisdom its one of my faaavorite topick-)) – THAT particular Front’s line is DIRECTLY applying to many of our researches and study durind loong/looud pre-bam phase. May I just go straight from the sources and then post lil bit of digging available from Wiki and els.. HERE we go East Coker from Four Quartets In my beginning is my end. In succession Houses rise and fall, crumble, are extended, Are removed, destroyed, restored, or in their place Is an open field, or a factory, or a by-pass. Old stone to new building, old timber to new fires, Old fires to ashes, and ashes to the earth Which is already flesh, fur and faeces, Bone of man and beast, cornstalk and leaf. Houses live and die: there is a time for building And a time for living and for generation And a time for the wind to break the loosened pane And to shake the wainscot where the field-mouse trots And to shake the tattered arras woven with a silent motto. [In my beginning is my end. Now the light falls Across the open field, leaving the deep lane Shuttered with branches, dark in the afternoon, Where you lean against a bank while a van passes, And the deep lane insists on the direction Into the village, in the electric heat Hypnotised. In a warm haze the sultry light Is absorbed, not refracted, by grey stone. The dahlias sleep in the empty silence. Wait for the early owl. In that open field If you do not come too close, if you do not come too close, On a Summer midnight, you can hear the music Of the weak pipe and the little drum And see them dancing around the bonfire The association of man and woman In daunsinge, signifying matrimonie-- A dignified and commodious sacrament. Two and two, necessarye coniunction, Holding eche other by the hand or the arm Whiche betokeneth concorde. Round and round the fire Leaping through the flames, or joined in circles, Rustically solemn or in rustic laughter Lifting heavy feet in clumsy shoes, Earth feet, loam feet, lifted in country mirth Mirth of those long since under earth Nourishing the corn. Keeping time, Keeping the rhythm in their dancing As in their living in the living seasons The time of the seasons and the constellations The time of milking and the time of harvest The time of the coupling of man and woman And that of beasts. Feet rising and falling. Eating and drinking. Dung and death. Dawn points, and another day Prepares for heat and silence. Out at sea the dawn wind Wrinkles and slides. I am here Or there, or elsewhere. In my beginning. T. S. Eliot Burnt Norton from Four Quartets Time present and time past Are both perhaps present in time future, And time future contained in time past. If all time is eternally present All time is unredeemable. What might have been is an abstraction Remaining a perpetual possibility Only in a world of speculation. What might have been and what has been Point to one end, which is always present. Footfalls echo in the memory Down the passage which we did not take Towards the door we never opened Into the rose-garden. My words echo Thus, in your mind. But to what purpose Disturbing the dust on a bowl of rose-leaves I do not know. Other echoes Inhabit the garden. Shall we follow? Quick, said the bird, find them, find them, Round the corner. Through the first gate, Into our first world, shall we follow The deception of the thrush? Into our first world. There they were, dignified, invisible, Moving without pressure, over the dead leaves, In the autumn heat, through the vibrant air, And the bird called, in response to The unheard music hidden in the shrubbery, And the unseen eyebeam crossed, for the roses Had the look of flowers that are looked at. There they were as our guests, accepted and accepting. So we moved, and they, in a formal pattern, Along the empty alley, into the box circle, To look down into the drained pool. Dry the pool, dry concrete, brown edged, And the pool was filled with water out of sunlight, And the lotos rose, quietly, quietly, The surface glittered out of heart of light, And they were behind us, reflected in the popool. Then a cloud passed, and the pool was empty. Go, said the bird, for the leaves were full of children, Hidden excitedly, containing laughter. Go, go, go, said the bird: human kind Cannot bear very much reality. Time past and time future What might have been and what has been Point to one end, which is always present. T. S. Eliot

Wow great thoughts and quotes Skyways! Thanks for all your time and effort! Yes, I feel that there is no need to be a "HollowMan" (T.S.Eliot) ( or Woman) and no need to "pay the ferryman.." So, I guess it is about >> "Be Here Now"?! We draw to us what we think,do,say to ourselves and others, imagine ,and visualize at any moment in time.. The Law of Attraction..>> positive self talk and positve actions .. can change our ( inner and outer) world! We can light up the darkness inside us and outside us..and come out into the sunshine..!! All we need is L.O.V.E. (Thanks M.J. and J. L.)xx

skyways · April 2012

Thank you SIMMER for brotherly L.O.V.E.! :icon_razz: :icon_razz: ...there is actually a lot of great things behind reason and meaning for those famous TS Eliot quote, I am sure know ))- in my beginning is my end...--- and just to kill late time and find more connection about the Man we never meant to know)), I will take some liberty to post what we have on the net in brief surface. So, East Coker come first... (poem) East Coker (poem) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Poem East Coker is described as a poem of late summer, earth, and faith. [7] As in the other poems of the Four Quartets, each of the five sections holds a theme that is common to each of the poems: time, experience, purgation, prayer, and wholeness.[8] The time theme is stated in the first section as 'In my beginning is my end' which, given proper attention, might prove to lead into the eternal moment. The second section discusses disorder within nature, which is opposite to the discussion of order within nature found in the second section of Burnt Norton. [9] Also, rational knowledge itself is described as being inadequate for explaining reality. Those who pursue only reason and science are ignorant. Even our progress is not progress as we continue to repeat the same errors as the past.[10] The third section discusses the rulers of secular society and their flaws. The fourth, which is a formal section, deploys a series of Baroque paradoxes in the context of the Good Friday mass. This past manner is regarded ironically by the poet in the fifth section as he looks back on his period of experimentation in 'the years of l'entre deux guerres' as 'largely wasted'. He welcomes approaching old age as a new opportunity to find renewal, although it might only be a rediscovery of 'what has been lost and found and lost again'. Despite the poem's doubt and darkness, a note of hope is struck by the first line of the fifth section, 'So here I am in the middle way'. This refers to the first line of Dante's Inferno, 'Midway in our life's journey, I went astray'.[11] Although the descent is predicated on going astray, so also is persevering beyond it into the light. East Coker from Four Quartets In my beginning is my end. In succession Houses rise and fall, crumble, are extended, Are removed, destroyed, restored, or in their place Is an open field, or a factory, or a by-pass. Old stone to new building, old timber to new fires, Old fires to ashes, and ashes to the earth Which is already flesh, fur and faeces, Bone of man and beast, cornstalk and leaf. Houses live and die: there is a time for building And a time for living and for generation And a time for the wind to break the loosened pane And to shake the wainscot where the field-mouse trots And to shake the tattered arras woven with a silent motto. In my beginning is my end. Now the light falls Across the open field, leaving the deep lane Shuttered with branches, dark in the afternoon, Where you lean against a bank while a van passes, And the deep lane insists on the direction Into the village, in the electric heat Hypnotised. In a warm haze the sultry light Is absorbed, not refracted, by grey stone. The dahlias sleep in the empty silence. Wait for the early owl. In that open field If you do not come too close, if you do not come too close, On a Summer midnight, you can hear the music Of the weak pipe and the little drum And see them dancing around the bonfire The association of man and woman In daunsinge, signifying matrimonie-- A dignified and commodious sacrament. Two and two, necessarye coniunction, Holding eche other by the hand or the arm Whiche betokeneth concorde. Round and round the fire Leaping through the flames, or joined in circles, Rustically solemn or in rustic laughter Lifting heavy feet in clumsy shoes, Earth feet, loam feet, lifted in country mirth Mirth of those long since under earth Nourishing the corn. Keeping time, Keeping the rhythm in their dancing As in their living in the living seasons The time of the seasons and the constellations The time of milking and the time of harvest The time of the coupling of man and woman And that of beasts. Feet rising and falling. Eating and drinking. Dung and death. Dawn points, and another day Prepares for heat and silence. Out at sea the dawn wind Wrinkles and slides. I am here Or there, or elsewhere. In my beginning. T. S. Eliot

skyways · April 2012

here is lil of info for metaphysical meaning in Eliots genius art work --- ancient quote of Beginnig-end/End is beginning --- its the corner stone of that set of poems, that linking together many great wisdom into one bold and inspiring vision.... So, here is goes Wiki: Four Quartets is a set of four poems written by T. S. Eliot that were published individually over a six-year period. The first poem, Burnt Norton, was written and published with a collection of his early works following the production of Eliot's play Murder in the Cathedral. Poems Each poem has five sections. The later poems connect to the earlier sections with Little Gidding synthesizing the themes of the earlier poems within its sections.[14] Within Eliot's own poetry, the five sections connect to The Waste Land. This allowed Eliot to structure his larger poems, which he had difficulty with.[15] According to C.K. Stead, the structure is based on:[16] 1. The movement of time, in which brief moments of eternity are caught. 2. Worldly experience, leading on to dissatisfaction. 3. Purgation in the world, divesting the soul of the love of created things. 4. A lyric prayer for, or affirmation of the need of, Intercession. 5. The problems of attaining artistic wholeness which becomes analogue for, and merge into, the problems of achieving spiritual health. These points can be applied to the structure of The Waste Land, though there is not necessarily a fulfillment of these but merely a longing or discussion of them.[17] Eliot's poetry is filled with religious images beyond those common to Christianity: the Four Quartets brings in Hindu stories with a particular emphasis on the Bhagavad-Gita of the Mahabharata.[39] Eliot went so far as to mark where he alludes to Hindu stories in his editions of the Mahabharata by including a page added which compared battle scenes with The Dry Salvages.[40] Music The title Four Quartets connects to music, which appears also in Eliot's poems "Preludes", "Rhapsody on a Windy Night", and "A Song for Simeon" along with a 1942 lecture called "The Music of Poetry". Some critics have suggested that there were various classical works that Eliot focused on while writing the pieces.[15] In particular, within literary criticism there is an emphasis on Beethoven serving as a model, although these claims rarely pan out.[7] The purpose of the quartet was to have multiple themes that intertwined with each other. Each section, as in the musical image, would be distinct even though they share the same performance. East Coker and The Dry Salvages are written in such a way as to make the poems continuous and create a "double-quartet".[32] Eliot focused on sounds or "auditory imagination", as he called it. He doesn't always keep to this device, especially when he is more concerned with thematic development. He did fix many of these passages in revision. Krishna Eliot's poetry is filled with religious images beyond those common to Christianity: the Four Quartets brings in Hindu stories with a particular emphasis on the Bhagavad-Gita of the Mahabharata.[39] Eliot went so far as to mark where he alludes to Hindu stories in his editions of the Mahabharata by including a page added which compared battle scenes with The Dry Salvages.[40]

skyways · April 2012

@<;br /> Burnt Norton From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Burnt Norton is the first poem of T. S. Eliot's Four Quartets. He created it while working on his play Murder in the Cathedral and it was first published in his Collected Poems 1909–1935 (1936). The poem's title refers to a Cotswolds manor house Eliot visited. The manor's garden served as an important image within the poem. Structurally, the poem is based on Eliot's The Waste Land with passages of the poem related to those excised from Murder in the Cathedral. The central discussion within the poem is on the nature of time and salvation. Eliot emphasizes the need of the individual to focus on the present moment and to know that there is a universal order. By understanding the nature of time and the order of the universe, mankind is able to recognize God and seek redemption. Many reviewers of Burnt Norton focused on the uniqueness and beauty of the poem. However, others complained that the poem does not reflect Eliot's earlier greatness and that the use of Christian themes harmed the poem. Epigraphs The poem begins with two epigraphs taken from the fragments of Heraclitus: τοῦ λόγον δέ ἐόντος ξενοῦ ζώουσιν οἱ πολλοί ὡς ἰδίαν ἔχοντες φρόνησιν I. p. 77. Fr. 2. ὁδὸς ἄνω κάτω μία καὶ ὡυτή I. p. 89 Fr. 60. The first may be translated, "Though wisdom is common, the many live as if they have wisdom of their own"; the second, "the way upward and the way downward is one and the same." Poem The poem was the first of Eliot's that relied on speech, with a narrator who speaks to the audience directly.[12] Described as a poem of early summer, air, and grace, it begins with a narrator recalling a moment in a garden. The scene provokes a discussion on time and how the present, not the future or past, really matters to individuals. Memories connect the individual to the past, but the past cannot change. The poem then transitions from memory to how life works and the point of existence. In particular, the universe is described as orderly and that consciousness is not found within time even though humanity is bound by time. The scene of the poem moves from a garden to the London underground where technology dominates. Those who cling to technology and reason are unable to understand the universe or the Logos ("the Word", or Christ). The underworld is replaced by a churchyard and a discussion on death. This, in turn, becomes a discussion of timelessness and eternity, which ends the poem.[13]

skyways · April 2012

Murder in the Cathedral is directly linking to Burnt Norton and also amizingly fit with Michael"s feat. )) :bowdown: Its a verse drama by T. S. Eliot that portrays the assassination of Archbishop Thomas Becket in Canterbury Cathedral in 1170, first performed in 1935. Eliot drew heavily on the writing of Edward Grim, a clerk who was an eyewitness to the event. The play, dealing with an individual's opposition to authority, was written at the time of rising Fascism in Central Europe, and can be taken as a protest to individuals in affected countries to oppose the Nazi regime's subversion of the ideals of the Christian Church.[1] Some material that the producer asked Eliot to remove or replace during the writing was transformed into the poem "Burnt Norton".[ @. Appreciated all your thoughts and time on that matter and really feel that beauty behind KOP mask will guide us on our digging more further to the TRUTH! In fact Poetry and Music is reach out Verity itself as a bold -lighting.>>>

lettingitsimmer · April 2012

Hi Skyways.. L.O.V.E back!! Great posts .. all reaching for the Connection.. trains ,travelling..in same direction with passengers on their individual journeys at different paces with different experiences. Add the Law of Attraction( what we say /do/ think, how we act.. are all a product of our conscious self- talk and our choices (either negative or positive).. souls.. start to feel the connection to ALL , "we are ONE," living from the soul-level, heartfelt, innate wisdom discovered, seeking inner balance/calm/peace/ and keeping ego in check.? Cosmic Consciousness? Self Realization? Humanity Lost and Found? I once read ( Emerson) >>"Life is a journey, not a destination!" It is amazing what one finds on the refrigerator! LOL! " Be Here Now".. xx :compute:

pikachu · April 2012

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 destination: beginning----> end destination: end----> beginning Sometimes one must venture into the opposite direction in order to come full circle and acquire NEW realizations from the SAME window-seat scenery. 

 Wow dear Mr. Fro_t!! THAT particular quotes of Your just openned full Phandora Box , isn’t ? ha-ha ;D - to more and more interfiere with TS religious posts and all the deep meaning we are (succesefully?) digging behind the Mega-Global Matrix of your Hoax. Shall we beginns? - from Present to Past and and Back to nowa-days.

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 Murder in the Cathedral is directly linking to Burnt Norton and also amizingly fit with Michael"s feat. )) :bowdown: Its a verse drama by T. S. Eliot that portrays the assassination of Archbishop Thomas Becket in Canterbury Cathedral in 1170, first performed in 1935. Eliot drew heavily on the writing of Edward Grim, a clerk who was an eyewitness to the event.

those are great quotes, of course, I love Eliot too, but with the same success you may start quoting here the whole world literature and entire Wikipedia. for this tale is as old as time. no need to dig sooo deep, the meaning of Front's words is on the surface... all is simple. as zen ; )

MJonmind · April 2012

Wow, Skyways, I can see poetry/literature is your specialty/passion! Front just has that knack of inspiring us! Blessings!

lettingitsimmer · April 2012

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 destination: beginning----> end destination: end----> beginning Sometimes one must venture into the opposite direction in order to come full circle and acquire NEW realizations from the SAME window-seat scenery. 

 Wow dear Mr. Fro_t!! THAT particular quotes of Your just openned full Phandora Box , isn’t ? ha-ha ;D - to more and more interfiere with TS religious posts and all the deep meaning we are (succesefully?) digging behind the Mega-Global Matrix of your Hoax. Shall we beginns? - from Present to Past and and Back to nowa-days. 

 

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 Murder in the Cathedral is directly linking to Burnt Norton and also amizingly fit with Michael"s feat. )) :bowdown: Its a verse drama by T. S. Eliot that portrays the assassination of Archbishop Thomas Becket in Canterbury Cathedral in 1170, first performed in 1935. Eliot drew heavily on the writing of Edward Grim, a clerk who was an eyewitness to the event. 

 those are great quotes, of course, I love Eliot too, but with the same success you may start quoting here the whole world literature and entire Wikipedia. for this tale is as old as time. no need to dig sooo deep, the meaning of Front's words is on the surface... all is simple. as zen ; )

I agree..Be here now.. L.OV.E. simplicity.. xx

Sarahli · April 2012

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 Wow, Skyways, I can see poetry/literature is your specialty/passion! Front just has that knack of inspiring us! Blessings!

Yes it seems like that. :compute: Very interesting Skyways, thank you for sharing. :bearhug:

titania · May 2012

Here's a thought regarding TS Eliot and all that jazz... I wonder if FRONT might not be our very own Skimbleshanks at large in charge of the Hoax Train..... Skimbleshanks: The Railway Cat Skimbleshanks__the_Railway_Cat_by_questionthemajority.jpg

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There's a whisper down the line at 11.39 When the Night Mail's ready to depart, Saying "Skimble where is Skimble has he gone to hunt the thimble? We must find him or the train can't start." All the guards and all the porters and the stationmaster's daughters They are searching high and low, Saying "Skimble where is Skimble for unless he's very nimble Then the Night Mail just can't go." At 11.42 then the signal's nearly due And the passengers are frantic to a man— Then Skimble will appear and he'll saunter to the rear: He's been busy in the luggage van! He gives one flash of his glass-green eyes And the signal goes "All Clear!" And we're off at last for the northern part Of the Northern Hemisphere! You may say that by and large it is Skimble who's in charge Of the Sleeping Car Express. From the driver and the guards to the bagmen playing cards He will supervise them all, more or less. Down the corridor he paces and examines all the faces Of the travellers in the First and the Third; He establishes control by a regular patrol And he'd know at once if anything occurred. He will watch you without winking and he sees what you are thinking And it's certain that he doesn't approve Of hilarity and riot, so the folk are very quiet When Skimble is about and on the move. You can play no pranks with Skimbleshanks! He's a Cat that cannot be ignored; So nothing goes wrong on the Northern Mail When Skimbleshanks is aboard. Oh, it's very pleasant when you have found your little den With your name written up on the door. And the berth is very neat with a newly folded sheet And there's not a speck of dust on the floor. There is every sort of light-you can make it dark or bright; There's a handle that you turn to make a breeze. There's a funny little basin you're supposed to wash your face in And a crank to shut the window if you sneeze. Then the guard looks in politely and will ask you very brightly "Do you like your morning tea weak or strong?" But Skimble's just behind him and was ready to remind him, For Skimble won't let anything go wrong. And when you creep into your cosy berth And pull up the counterpane, You ought to reflect that it's very nice To know that you won't be bothered by mice— You can leave all that to the Railway Cat, The Cat of the Railway Train! In the watches of the night he is always fresh and bright; Every now and then he has a cup of tea With perhaps a drop of Scotch while he's keeping on the watch, Only stopping here and there to catch a flea. You were fast asleep at Crewe and so you never knew That he was walking up and down the station; You were sleeping all the while he was busy at Carlisle, Where he greets the stationmaster with elation. But you saw him at Dumfries, where he speaks to the police If there's anything they ought to know about: When you get to Gallowgate there you do not have to wait— For Skimbleshanks will help you to get out! He gives you a wave of his long brown tail Which says: "I'll see you again! You'll meet without fail on the Midnight Mail The Cat of the Railway Train." Purrrrrrr....... Titania

ILoveFront2 · May 2012

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 Hi Skyways.. L.O.V.E back!! Great posts .. all reaching for the Connection.. trains ,travelling..in same direction with passengers on their individual journeys at different paces with different experiences. Add the Law of Attraction( what we say /do/ think, how we act.. are all a product of our conscious self- talk and our choices (either negative or positive).. souls.. start to feel the connection to ALL , "we are ONE," living from the soul-level, heartfelt, innate wisdom discovered, seeking inner balance/calm/peace/ and keeping ego in check.? Cosmic Consciousness? Self Realization? Humanity Lost and Found? I once read ( Emerson) >>"Life is a journey, not a destination!" It is amazing what one finds on the refrigerator! LOL! " Be Here Now".. xx :compute: YES and said beautifully.

skyways · May 2012

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 those are great quotes, of course, I love Eliot too, but with the same success you may start quoting here the whole world literature and entire Wikipedia. for this tale is as old as time. no need to dig sooo deep, the meaning of Front's words is on the surface... all is simple. as zen ; ) :bowdown: :icon_razz: 

 I agree..Be here now.. L.OV.E. simplicity.. xx

@ I truly appreciated. My appology for not be able to answer you sooner....just thinking, of course, its always better to say LESS than More...(( and may be I better just go to my corner now and Keep Watchin' Hugs to all of you who is still keep that thread alive :bearhug: :bearhug: YEAS, Simmer, SIMPLICITY IS my Favorite, - here we go from last month.... this one is for You@@ Simplicity, like a key of your deepness or ever spotted success... ...I open up curtains, and invite summerish dawn down to hall of your house, - lines of the books cover up walls up to the ceiling and hint of gold-smelted shades hiden on hardwooden floor... Simplicity – is more than I ever imagined, and less than you ask for. Simplicity - its the key of all unquenchable deepness and ever-spotless success... with L.O.V.E.!>> xx

skyways · May 2012

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 Hi Skyways.. L.O.V.E back!! Great posts .. all reaching for the Connection.. trains ,travelling..in same direction with passengers on their individual journeys at different paces with different experiences. Add the Law of Attraction( what we say /do/ think, how we act.. are all a product of our conscious self- talk and our choices (either negative or positive).. souls.. start to feel the connection to ALL , "we are ONE," living from the soul-level, heartfelt, innate wisdom discovered, seeking inner balance/calm/peace/ and keeping ego in check.? Cosmic Consciousness? Self Realization? Humanity Lost and Found? I once read ( Emerson) >>"Life is a journey, not a destination!" It is amazing what one finds on the refrigerator! LOL! " Be Here Now".. xx :compute: YES and said beautifully.

HERE I AM!! :icon_razz: :icon_cool: :bearhug:

AlwaysHeather · May 2012

:icon_eek: WOAH My GOSH! That was a LOT to take in! I've heard of T.S. Eliot but never read any of his stuff. So so awesome. Really. Being a person who writes herself. (nothing that can touch this of course) can really appreciate the deepness of this. Another thought, the Be Here Now, reminds me of 1. the new pepsi motto or saying however you say it. lol and 2. Peaceful Warrior. OMG I love that movie so much I can't even hardly stand it! The guy Nick something pulls the gymnast to him or just touches him and makes him really SEE what's going on, cuz he's like "there's nothing going on" and then he SEEs that there really is something always going on, and Soc teaches him to BE HERE NOW. To be in the moment. not in the past, not in the future, but the present. To just focus on the present, and he did one day while he was on the pommel horse and doesnt make one mistake and does so great. It made him so happy. :-) I guess I will have to start reading T.S. :-) Thank you all for all of this in this thread. Really really great.

skyways · May 2012

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 :icon_eek: WOAH My GOSH! That was a LOT to take in! I've heard of T.S. Eliot but never read any of his stuff. So so awesome. Really. Being a person who writes herself. (nothing that can touch this of course) can really appreciate the deepness of this. Another thought, the Be Here Now, reminds me of 1. the new pepsi motto or saying however you say it. lol and 2. Peaceful Warrior. OMG I love that movie so much I can't even hardly stand it! The guy Nick something pulls the gymnast to him or just touches him and makes him really SEE what's going on, cuz he's like "there's nothing going on" and then he SEEs that there really is something always going on, and Soc teaches him to BE HERE NOW. To be in the moment. not in the past, not in the future, but the present. To just focus on the present, and he did one day while he was on the pommel horse and doesnt make one mistake and does so great. It made him so happy. :-) I guess I will have to start reading T.S. :-) Thank you all for all of this in this thread. Really really great.

THANK YOU for keeping this train of thoughts alive

). @<;br /> Peaceful Warrior... hmm , going to catch up with this one -- sound VERY Good @<;br /> BLESSINGS & PEACE TO ALL!

everlastinglove_MJ · May 2012

Skyways, I enjoyed reading these inspiring poems of T.S. Eliot & poems posted by others. Inspiring poems motivate you to read beyond and unwrap the lines in order to understand the message and enjoy the artistic way how it is written. My father loved to write poems and limericks when I was a kid (sometimes he still writes one) and I couldn't wait to read them. :icon_bounce: Sometimes I'm captivated when I read a poem or lyrics (MJ's lyrics :icon_razz:) Front's "hoax coach train" poem crossed my mind when I read this part of The Dry Salvages of Four Quartets by T.S. Eliot:

I sometimes wonder if that is what Krishna meant- Among other things - or one way of putting the same thing: That the future is a faded song, a Royal Rose or a lavender spray Of wistful regret for those who are not yet here to regret, Pressed between yellow leaves of a book that has never been opened. And the way up is the way down, the way forward is the way back. You cannot face it steadily, but this thing is sure, That time is no healer: the patient is no longer here. When the train starts, and the passengers are settled To fruit, periodicals and business letters (And those who saw them off have left the platform) Their faces relax from grief into relief, To the sleepy rhythm of a hundred hours. Fare forward, travellers! not escaping from the past Into different lives, or into any future; You are not the same people who left that station Or who will arrive at any terminus, While the narrowing rails slide together behind you; Watching the furrow that widens behind you, You shall not think "the past is finished" Or "the future is before us". At nightfall, in the rigging and the aerial, Is a voice descanting (though not to the ear, The murmuring shell of time, and not in any language) "Fare forward, you who think that you are voyaging; You are not those who saw the harbour Receding, or those who will disembark. Here between the hither and the farther shore While time is withdrawn, consider the future And the past with an equal mind. At the moment which is not of action or inaction You can receive this: 'on whatever sphere of being The mind of a man may be intent At the time of death' - that is the one action (And the time of death is every moment) Which shall fructify in the lives of others: And do not think of the fruit of action. Fare forward. O voyagers, O seamen, You who came to port, and you whose bodies Will suffer the trial and judgement of the sea, Or whatever event, this is your real destination." So Krishna, as when he admonished Arjuna On the field of battle. Not fare well, But fare forward, voyagers.

Thanks for this inspiring thread Skyways :bearhug: LOVE always

skyways · May 2012

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 Skyways, I enjoyed reading these inspiring poems of T.S. Eliot & poems posted by others. Inspiring poems motivate you to read beyond and unwrap the lines in order to understand the message and enjoy the artistic way how it is written. My father loved to write poems and limericks when I was a kid (sometimes he still writes one) and I couldn't wait to read them. :icon_bounce: Sometimes I'm captivated when I read a poem or lyrics (MJ's lyrics :icon_razz:) Front's "hoax coach train" poem crossed my mind when I read this part of The Dry Salvages of Four Quartets by T.S. Eliot: 

I sometimes wonder if that is what Krishna meant- Among other things - or one way of putting the same thing: That the future is a faded song, Of wistful regret for those who are not yet here to regret, ...>> You shall not think "the past is finished" Or "the future is before us". .... While time is withdrawn, consider the future And the past with an equal mind. At the moment which is not of action or inaction You can receive this: 'on whatever sphere of being The mind of a man may be intent At the time of death' - that is the one action (And the time of death is every moment) Which shall fructify in the lives of others: And do not think of the fruit of action. Fare forward. O voyagers, O seamen, You who came to port, and you whose bodies Will suffer the trial and judgement of the sea, Or whatever event, this is your real destination." [size=10pt]So Krishna, as when he admonished Arjuna On the field of battle. Not fare well, But fare forward, voyagers.[/size] 

 Thanks for this inspiring thread Skyways :bearhug: LOVE always

@ (( you are beautiful by the way on this photo and with this catch especially@@))<;br />ahhhh, my Faavotrite and I am so glad to share those feelings with you. Fitting the Krishna/MJ pic from Front m post, isn? and all our passing moods here)) . L>O>V>E>>>> :bearhug: :bearhug:

lettingitsimmer · May 2012

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 Hi Skyways.. L.O.V.E back!! Great posts .. all reaching for the Connection.. trains ,travelling..in same direction with passengers on their individual journeys at different paces with different experiences. Add the Law of Attraction( what we say /do/ think, how we act.. are all a product of our conscious self- talk and our choices (either negative or positive).. souls.. start to feel the connection to ALL , "we are ONE," living from the soul-level, heartfelt, innate wisdom discovered, seeking inner balance/calm/peace/ and keeping ego in check.? Cosmic Consciousness? Self Realization? Humanity Lost and Found? I once read ( Emerson) >>"Life is a journey, not a destination!" It is amazing what one finds on the refrigerator! LOL! " Be Here Now".. xx :compute: YES and said beautifully.

XX :compute: L.O.V.E. to you!

everlastinglove_MJ · May 2012

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 Fitting the Krishna/MJ pic from Front m post, isn? and all our passing moods here)) .

Fitting indeed

Official back & Front thread

skyways · May 2012

thank you

lettingitsimmer · June 2012

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 thank you @ - that what I meant*) Happy to see you againe dear Simmer !@<;br />

Same to your, dear! .. with L.O.V.E. xx :compute:

TS Elliot discussion inspired by Front quote

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