Hi!!! :bearhug: good to read you too.<br /><br />Well, long story short, maaaaaaaaany years ago I had a friend who was a mormon (or she thought so) and "Elmer", her teacher, told me about their beliefs. The guy mentioned that their faith would take over one day and blah blah (by coincidence, every sect say that they hold the so called truth and the "fadah" is returning), so i just thought about it. Mainly now that we are having the political debates going on.
Bec I'm going back in time and with your 70 days calculation I came up with something interesting... <br /><br />
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<br />voice: the 8th 70 day period is over January 4th-6th. <br /><br />If you count from Murray's last court "thing" it's 1/4/11 exactly. If you count precisely (which I'm more inclined too as the dates tend to be soft every 3rd period or so, and vary from 4-6 days or so. Example, Murray court 8/23/10 to Murray judges meet 10/26/10 was only 64 days. The equivalent 70 period when counted exact was 8/19/10-10/28/10. This was the 7th 70 day period.)<br /><br />Here's the exact periods, 70 days apart:<br />6/25/09-9/3/09<br />-11/12/09<br />-1/21/10<br />-4/1/10<br />-6/10/10<br />-8/19/10<br />-10/28/10 490th day of the hoax, 7x70 days or 70 weeks. <br />-1/6/10<br />-3/15/2011<br />-5/24/2011<br />-8/2/2011 [8/11/2011 will be the 777th day of the hoax]<br />-10/11/2011<br />god i hope i don't need to calculate beyond that <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <br /><br />Here's the hoax periods:<br />6/25/09-9/3/09, 70 days, "death"-"burial"<br />-11/12/09, 70 days, last day of 2 week run for TII in theaters<br />-1/25/10, 74 days, 7 month anniversary of hoax<br />-4/5/10, 70 days Murray arrested/formal charges (1st court date)<br />-6/14/10, 70 days, Murray's 2nd court date<br />-8/23/10, 70 days, Murray's 3rd court date<br />-10/26/10, 64 days, Murray lawyers meet with the judge to request fluid samples<br />-1/4/10, 70 days, Murray prelim trial begins<br />
<br /><br /> I started with Michael's birthday 2011 and counted 70 days onwards, not sure yet all date meanings but after 7x it ends at December 31.<br /><br />August 29, 2011 --- and of course 70 weeks later is Dec. 31<br />Monday, November 7, 2011 CM sentencing<br />+70 -Monday, January 16, 2012<br /> ... March 26, 2012<br />... June 4, 2012<br />... August 13, 2012<br />... October 22, 2012 Front posted will you be there? video<br />... December 31, 2012<br /><br /><br />I posted this song back in March because my feeling is that part of this hoax is about forgiveness. :icon_question:<br />This artist describes how he came to write the song. Maybe a clue idk. :icon_mrgreen:<br /><br />http://7x70.chrisaugustmusic.com/ <br /><br />/ Re: Songs you listen to during this period<br />« on: March 17, 2012, 05:32:58 AM »<br /><br />Matthew 18:21-22 also = 7<br />Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.”<br /><br />
<br />hi gema, good to see you. where does your info on what mormons believe come from? not criticizing just wondering if it is a source you can post for us . one thing i have found to be an added perk about this site is having the opportunity to learn more about jw via aussie and ford, muslim by sarahli and others so it would be great to learn about mormons also . i was actually reading something a week or so ago about their views but did not see any mention of what you stated. have to look at all sources right. i have wondered from time to time if what we were looking at in ts post could be coming from a mormon point of view , i have even had one in mind i thought it could be from time to time. :icon_lol: :suspect:<br />
<br /><br />Cool, most glad you did. :icon_e_smile:
<br />Bec I'm going back in time and with your 70 days calculation I came up with something interesting... <br /><br />
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<br />voice: the 8th 70 day period is over January 4th-6th. <br /><br />If you count from Murray's last court "thing" it's 1/4/11 exactly. If you count precisely (which I'm more inclined too as the dates tend to be soft every 3rd period or so, and vary from 4-6 days or so. Example, Murray court 8/23/10 to Murray judges meet 10/26/10 was only 64 days. The equivalent 70 period when counted exact was 8/19/10-10/28/10. This was the 7th 70 day period.)<br /><br />Here's the exact periods, 70 days apart:<br />6/25/09-9/3/09<br />-11/12/09<br />-1/21/10<br />-4/1/10<br />-6/10/10<br />-8/19/10<br />-10/28/10 490th day of the hoax, 7x70 days or 70 weeks. <br />-1/6/10<br />-3/15/2011<br />-5/24/2011<br />-8/2/2011 [8/11/2011 will be the 777th day of the hoax]<br />-10/11/2011<br />god i hope i don't need to calculate beyond that <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <br /><br />Here's the hoax periods:<br />6/25/09-9/3/09, 70 days, "death"-"burial"<br />-11/12/09, 70 days, last day of 2 week run for TII in theaters<br />-1/25/10, 74 days, 7 month anniversary of hoax<br />-4/5/10, 70 days Murray arrested/formal charges (1st court date)<br />-6/14/10, 70 days, Murray's 2nd court date<br />-8/23/10, 70 days, Murray's 3rd court date<br />-10/26/10, 64 days, Murray lawyers meet with the judge to request fluid samples<br />-1/4/10, 70 days, Murray prelim trial begins<br />
<br /><br /> I started with Michael's birthday 2011 and counted 70 days onwards, not sure yet all date meanings but after 7x it ends at December 31.<br /><br />August 29, 2011 --- and of course 70 weeks later is Dec. 31<br />Monday, November 7, 2011 CM sentencing<br />+70 -Monday, January 16, 2012<br /> ... March 26, 2012<br />... June 4, 2012<br />... August 13, 2012<br />... October 22, 2012 Front posted will you be there? video<br />... December 31, 2012<br /><br /><br />I posted this song back in March because my feeling is that part of this hoax is about forgiveness. :icon_question:<br />This artist describes how he came to write the song. Maybe a clue idk. :icon_mrgreen:<br /><br />http://7x70.chrisaugustmusic.com/ <br /><br />/ Re: Songs you listen to during this period<br />« on: March 17, 2012, 05:32:58 AM »<br /><br />Matthew 18:21-22 also = 7<br />Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.”<br /><br /><br />
<br /><br />Thanks Mindseye for all your work. That's interesting that the end of 70 weeks would be December 31,2012. <br />I was thinking that Michael would be starting week 71 because of ambulance 71. Do you think week 71 would start on 1/1/13 ? Would it actually be a week or seven years ? <br />Or maybe the 71st week started on June 25, 2009 when the ambulance 71 took off ? Three and a half years from June 25, 2009 would be around 12/25/12. That's about the middle of the seven year period. Then we only have another 3.5 years to work together to "get it right". <br /><br />I'm leaning toward the idea that June 25,2009 started the 71st week. I could be completely wrong. Why was the number 71 used ? Were there other reasons that I don't know about ? <br /><br />Thanks everyone. :icon_e_geek:
MJonMind you make good points. TS mentions the first coming and the end of the world but not the second coming. That's because the second coming is supposed to happen during the end times. We could be at the end times right now. So that is what this is all about. "This Is It" The second coming. <br /><br /> :michael_jackson-1135: <br /><br />Notice the red shirt. TS highlighted the words Jesus,me,he,Messiah in red. <br /><br />"This Is It"<br />"Here I am"<br />"I'm the light of the world"<br />"I feel grand"<br /><br />Love You All<br /><br />If I leave for a while it's because I lost power due to the Hurricane coming. Hurricane Sandy. It's a high wind warning, state of emergency starting tomorrow at 2:00.
<br />If I leave for a while it's because I lost power due to the Hurricane coming. Hurricane Sandy. It's a high wind warning, state of emergency starting tomorrow at 2:00. <br />
<br /><br />Same for me... I'm in southeastern maryland. Storm is supposed to hit tomorrow and tuesday... Hold my hand Dontwalkaway!! We'll make it through! :errrr: :errrr:
Stay safe what it is said that this hurricane is horrible, in the Caribbean left 65 people dead, mostly in Haiti, ....until when Haiti :icon_e_confused:
use_your_illusion: you are such a sweetheart to try and help me get it better! Thank you for the effort of writing all that!! :bearhug:<br />I see that we are both on "the same page" of not getting pretty much anything of it!<br /><br /><br />My only possible way of understanding these signs posted by TS is that we don't have to take them literally, they must somehow represent symbolically the death hoax and the return of Michael! it's all an allegory I guess!!<br />But in order to get the hidden meaning related to the hoax, we must somehow understand the literal meaning of those texts!! Which for me it's impossible! I mean it's very hard to even read all that, let alone understanding it! But IDK I think that once we manage to grasp the meaning of the actual text, we will be able to "visualize" the parallels to the death hoax!<br /><br />So far the only parallels that i could "SEE" are these:<br />- nobody knows when the BAM will be (BAM of Michael equals the second coming of Christ here)<br />- the beLIEvers know there will be a BAM but they don't know when<br />- the non-beLIEvers will be fully SHOCKED when Michael returns very much ALIVE (just like the unfaithful people were panicked when they saw that Noah was right!! and they started running on the top of the mountains to save their lives, that's pretty much how the non-believers and Michael's haters will feel like when Michael returns ALIVE and victorious!)<br />- Just like ADI thinks, I also beLIEve that the terms highlighted in colors and everything are an important CLUE! I think this is precisely why TS took the effort of putting this sign into a PDF format even with the risk of most of us not being able to download that! He wanted to make sure we realize the importance of those COLORED terms.<br />- Those words colored do not make any sense to us for now... I guess we should just keep that in mind for now and in the near future we will be able to correlate/connect them with the next clues/event that we will receive. It's all a puzzle , remember? and we gradually receive some pieces of it...and sometimes certain pieces don't seem to fit , until the next time we receive some more pieces!<br /><br />Well that's what I could understand so far... and most probably I'm wrong !! lol<br />
<br /><br />Haha, I can only see what the literal meaning is, not good at looking deeper than that :over-react-smiley:<br />What do you think the highlighted words mean?<br /><br />@Mindseye ; :th_bravo:<br />@Ellyd thanks it's easier to see now<br />@DWA and @Katy keep safe and update when you get time :icon_e_smile: <br /><br />
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<br />My guess about Michael's comeback timing:<br /><br />1- November 27th' 2012: BAM (Thursday - middle of the week)<br /><br />2- November 29th' 2012: TS' 7th Sign<br /><br />3- November 30th' 2012: 30th Thriller Anniversary + Thriller 3D movie release<br />
<br /><br />Why November 27th? Ya know somethin' :suspect: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_lol:
DWA, Katy, and anyone else affected-- I hope you’ll be okay and Sandy won’t do much damage. :bowdown: :errrr:<br /><br />DWA<br />
Thanks Mindseye for all your work. That's interesting that the end of 70 weeks would be December 31,2012. <br />I was thinking that Michael would be starting week 71 because of ambulance 71. Do you think week 71 would start on 1/1/13 ? Would it actually be a week or seven years ? <br />Or maybe the 71st week started on June 25, 2009 when the ambulance 71 took off ? Three and a half years from June 25, 2009 would be around 12/25/12. That's about the middle of the seven year period. Then we only have another 3.5 years to work together to "get it right".
<br />I like this, and it makes me think of TS’s words in Sign #1.<br />
It should also be clearly stated at this point that the world will not end on 12-21-2012; but it will end shortly after 2012! How long is “shortly”? Nobody knows a specific date; but it will probably be withinthe next few years (nobody living on earth now is going to grow old, unless you’re nearly there already). How can we be sure that this is true? If you keep watching, you will learn how, soon enough.
<br /><br />That sounds like about 3 1/2 years from Dec. 25, 12, which would be June 25, 2016 for ‘actual’ EOW when ‘young people won’t grow old’.<br />You know how the Anti-christ is supposed to come at mid-way in the traditional millennialist Christian interpretation, but TS is saying the 70th week is already fulfilled. Maybe he’s saying that if MJ comes back as in Bam, after 3 ½ years, we should not view him as the Anti-christ, because of this.<br /><br />Mindseye and Bec, good ideas about the 70 day periods, which could be reminders.<br /><br />Sim, love your parallels you “see” about the Bam being the ‘Second coming’. Yep, bang on. And I loved that video of MJ talking about Invincible. MJ also talked about Carlos Santana, who is the man who called him, 'Archangel Michael'.<br /><br />Ellyd, thanks for collecting the colored words. It makes it very clear to me what TS is stating--exactly what Sign #1 was saying-- Michael the Archangel=Jesus, and Michael=The Archangel.<br /><br /><br />It also seems to be saying TS is Michael-- "me", which I've mostly thought from the first appearing of TS which right from the redirects had Scripture woven through.<br />"This is it", is not only the EOW but the Second Coming of the Christ which means "the annointed one". Now Sony was the one to first introduce the coming sequel to TII, as 'This is also it', where we gotten to know TS. Bonnie Cox says that Sony is part of NWO thus evil, thus not the true MJ but a fake substitute, and that this coming MJ will be the Anti-christ. <br />SOOOOOOOOOOOOO, as layers, twists and turns, cliff-hangers, climaxes, THIS whole scenario is a humongous Thriller, ARG, story to end all stories! I stand completely in amazement! :bowdown: :michael_jackson-1135:<br /><br />Who is truly deceived, and who is truly knowing the truth, about who is good and who is evil???? Again cue the going mad music. :icon_eek: :errrr: :icon_razz: :icon_twisted: :icon_geek: :suspect: :icon_cry: :icon_lol::Crash:<br /><br />All I know for sure, is that I love you Michael! Everything else IDK.<br /><br />Gema, MJ has been mentioning and hinting at this Biblical connection all throughout his lyrics from way back to Thriller, the "Beast", so it is definitely NOT a stretch to connect TS's Signs to MJ's hoax. IMO<br />
We need to take the Signs literally. If you would look at how much work "The Sign" puts into these signs, and if you have read them all it is a clear warning about the future and as MJ's Army of Love we need to be ready!! They're called "signs" for a reason. :icon_razz:<br /><br />And I will do my best to stay safe and update! Things are mostly calm outside besides a regular storm but it's still early in the morning, by afternoon it will be overtop my city, if I do not log on for some days dont worry it might just mean my power is out unfortunately it goes out pretty often in storms. :over-react-smiley:
<br />Bec I'm going back in time and with your 70 days calculation I came up with something interesting... <br /><br />
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<br />voice: the 8th 70 day period is over January 4th-6th. <br /><br />If you count from Murray's last court "thing" it's 1/4/11 exactly. If you count precisely (which I'm more inclined too as the dates tend to be soft every 3rd period or so, and vary from 4-6 days or so. Example, Murray court 8/23/10 to Murray judges meet 10/26/10 was only 64 days. The equivalent 70 period when counted exact was 8/19/10-10/28/10. This was the 7th 70 day period.)<br /><br />Here's the exact periods, 70 days apart:<br />6/25/09-9/3/09<br />-11/12/09<br />-1/21/10<br />-4/1/10<br />-6/10/10<br />-8/19/10<br />-10/28/10 490th day of the hoax, 7x70 days or 70 weeks. <br />-1/6/10<br />-3/15/2011<br />-5/24/2011<br />-8/2/2011 [8/11/2011 will be the 777th day of the hoax]<br />-10/11/2011<br />god i hope i don't need to calculate beyond that <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <br /><br />Here's the hoax periods:<br />6/25/09-9/3/09, 70 days, "death"-"burial"<br />-11/12/09, 70 days, last day of 2 week run for TII in theaters<br />-1/25/10, 74 days, 7 month anniversary of hoax<br />-4/5/10, 70 days Murray arrested/formal charges (1st court date)<br />-6/14/10, 70 days, Murray's 2nd court date<br />-8/23/10, 70 days, Murray's 3rd court date<br />-10/26/10, 64 days, Murray lawyers meet with the judge to request fluid samples<br />-1/4/10, 70 days, Murray prelim trial begins<br />
<br /><br /> I started with Michael's birthday 2011 and counted 70 days onwards, not sure yet all date meanings but after 7x it ends at December 31.<br /><br />August 29, 2011 --- and of course 70 weeks later is Dec. 31<br />Monday, November 7, 2011 CM sentencing<br />+70 -Monday, January 16, 2012<br /> ... March 26, 2012<br />... June 4, 2012<br />... August 13, 2012<br />... October 22, 2012 Front posted will you be there? video<br />... December 31, 2012<br /><br /><br />I posted this song back in March because my feeling is that part of this hoax is about forgiveness. :icon_question:<br />This artist describes how he came to write the song. Maybe a clue idk. :icon_mrgreen:<br /><br />http://7x70.chrisaugustmusic.com/ <br /><br />/ Re: Songs you listen to during this period<br />« on: March 17, 2012, 05:32:58 AM »<br /><br />Matthew 18:21-22 also = 7<br />Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.”<br /><br /><br />
<br /><br />Thanks Mindseye for all your work. That's interesting that the end of 70 weeks would be December 31,2012. <br />I was thinking that Michael would be starting week 71 because of ambulance 71. Do you think week 71 would start on 1/1/13 ? Would it actually be a week or seven years ? <br />Or maybe the 71st week started on June 25, 2009 when the ambulance 71 took off ? Three and a half years from June 25, 2009 would be around 12/25/12. That's about the middle of the seven year period. Then we only have another 3.5 years to work together to "get it right". <br /><br />I'm leaning toward the idea that June 25,2009 started the 71st week. I could be completely wrong. Why was the number 71 used ? Were there other reasons that I don't know about ? <br /><br />Thanks everyone. :icon_e_geek:<br />
<br /><br />Hi all, I just read TS Sign # 6 and all comments. IMO we should take into account the color of the text, perhaps today can not connect to give me a real idea of what it means, I will read later.<br />I like the relationship Dontwalkaway 70 weeks + 1 = 01/01/13! and relationship with the ambulance, I do not think I was even a little.<br />Thank you all, you helped me Bec, difficult to translate PDF. Everyone, get my love<br /><br /> :bearhug:<br /><br />
This may be very off topic, I'm sorry, I'm just brainstorming a little with numbers. <br /><br />@mindseye, the problem I ran into with the 70 day periods is do you count INcluvely or EXclusively? Inclusive counting is the method TS introduced us to, which counts each day as (1), and doesn't leave out a day, useful for single periods of count, ie burial-->autopsy=7 days. Exclusive counting does not include the final date in the total number, which is useful for counting blocks of days. Day 1-->day 70=69 days, so that day 70 is also Day 1 when proceeding to count your next block of days.<br /><br />So the only "problem" with counting 490 days from 8/29/2011-->12/31/2012 is that it's exclusive. If you counted inclusively, it is actually 491 days. Exclusive counting indicates that you are not done counting, and if we were looking at a Bam, potentially, I'd expect (ha) that we would be done counting. Of course I have no way of knowing that, I'm only ASSuming that the hoax is the end of MJ's date plans, lol. Perhaps Bamsday will be considered Day One of some other event MJ has planned ahead of time, and the hoax as we know it is NOT all there is in this project, in which case, there is no "problem" with using exclusive counting method after all.<br /><br />In regards to the choice between using exclusive or inclusive counting methods when theorizing, Front conveniently "helped" us settle the decision by introducing us to "the day of simmering", which always helps satisfy an "extra" day, when torn between deciding which counting method should be used.<br /><br />That said, I am reminded of the 9282 days thing. 9282 days from MJ's B-day (8/29/1958) to the date of the Pepsi fire (1/27/1984), which is actually the 9283rd day... also day 1 of the next period, which is Pepsi fire-->"death" (6/25/09) which falls on the 9282nd day of the second period. This is legitimate manner of counting because you should only count each day once, not twice, as exclusive counting method would have you do when recording blocks of days, which would be inaccurate. Exclusive counting should be used carefully for this reason.<br /><br />So let's calculate a little. Using this counting template, 11/24/2012, which is fast approaching, is the end of 2 1361 day periods, which started with MJ's acquittal in 2005. Let me explain a little more. Day one would be the day the Not Guilty verdict was handed down (6/13/2005). Counting forward from there, there are 1361 days until the O2 announcement in 2009 on 3/5/09, which is actually day 1362, or day one of the second period. Counting forward from 3/5/09, the 1361st day is 11/24/2012, which makes the O2 announcement the exact halfway point between MJ's acquittal in 2005 and this day which is coming soon.<br /><br />Layout:<br /><br />08/29/1958-->01/27/1984 = 9282 days exclusive counting (makes day of Pepsi fire day 9283 or day ONE, and it is not counted twice)<br />01/27/1984-->06/25/2009 = 9282 days inclusive counting (both days of Pepsi fire and "death" are counted, but each day is counted only once)<br /><br />compare to:<br /><br />06/13/2005--> 03/05/2009 = 1361 days exclusive counting (makes day of O2 announcement day 1362 or day ONE)<br />03/05/2009--> 11/24/2012 = 1361 days inclusive counting<br /><br />Incidentally, 3/5/09-->6/25/09 (O2-->death) = 16 weeks exactly, Thursday to Thursday. I think that discovery might be new. I don't remember ever knowing that before.<br /><br />Even more incidentally, 9282 days is 1326 weeks exactly; MJ's day of birth to the Pepsi accident, Friday to Friday = 1326 weeks.<br /><br />So that maybe makes these calculations interesting:<br />06/25/2009--> 11/29/2012 = 179 weeks exactly, Thursday to Thursday. 179 weeks is also (17) 70 day periods + 63 days or + 9 weeks. <br /><br />06/25/2009--> 12/04/2012 = 180 weeks exactly, (18) 70 day periods exactly, Thursday to Thursday, 1260 days.<br /><br />Does it mean anything? Who knows. They're numerically notable days that are coming up.<br />
06/25/2009--> 12/04/2012 = 180 weeks exactly, (18) 70 day periods exactly, Thursday to Thursday, 1260 days.<br />
<br /><br />1260 days is a Biblical time period. 42 months or 3.5 years (!) - all the months having 30 days. There is mentions of the 1260 days both in Daniel and Revelations. :icon_eek:<br /><br />I just found this: <br /><br />
Biblical use of the 1260 day/years<br /><br />Daniel 7.25<br />And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.<br /><br />A Time = 1 year<br />Times = 2 years<br />Dividing of Times = 1/2 year.<br />360 X 3 =1080 180 = 1260 <br /><br />Daniel 12.7<br />And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. <br /><br />Rev. 11.2<br />But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.<br />Rev. 11.3<br />And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.<br /><br />Forty two months = 42 X 30 = 1260<br /><br />Two hundred and threescore = 1260<br /><br />Rev. 12.6<br />And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. <br /><br />Rev. 12.14<br />And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.<br /><br />Rev. 13.5,8<br />And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months...and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. <br /><br />This same power depicted as controlling religious affairs for 1260 years, will again arise. It's deadly wound healed. Together with the "power of the dragon" and "force of the second beast" the world will be brought to a crises. (See Rev. 13) Therefore it is imperative that we understand this issue.<br />
<br /><br />From here and there's more to read - http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/dan/1260.html<br /><br />[size=8pt](The 1260 days from June 25th has been my own little bamsday date that I've had in the back of my mind for quite a while now)[/size]
<br />This may be very off topic, I'm sorry, I'm just brainstorming a little with numbers. <br /><br />@mindseye, the problem I ran into with the 70 day periods is do you count INcluvely or EXclusively? Inclusive counting is the method TS introduced us to, which counts each day as (1), and doesn't leave out a day, useful for single periods of count, ie burial-->autopsy=7 days. Exclusive counting does not include the final date in the total number, which is useful for counting blocks of days. Day 1-->day 70=69 days, so that day 70 is also Day 1 when proceeding to count your next block of days.<br />....<br /><br />So that maybe makes these calculations interesting:<br />06/25/2009--> 11/29/2012 = 179 weeks exactly, Thursday to Thursday. 179 weeks is also (17) 70 day periods + 63 days or + 9 weeks. <br /><br />06/25/2009--> 12/04/2012 = 180 weeks exactly, (18) 70 day periods exactly, Thursday to Thursday, 1260 days.<br /><br />Does it mean anything? Who knows. They're numerically notable days that are coming up.<br />
<br /><br />Interesting!<br /><br />Yes exclusively and I kept Front’s day of simmering in mind, so would be 71 – which we know 71 is more significant, ambulance, CM verdict date and time.<br /><br />It is 70 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date<br />From and including: Monday, August 29, 2011<br />To, but not including : Monday, November 7, 2011<br /><br />For some reason I had December 6 bookmarked and can’t remember why. Now I see with your 12/04/2012 it had to do with the 1260 days … and this is how it worked out for me:<br /><br />Using Inclusive… <br />From and including: Thursday, June 25, 2009<br />To and including: Thursday, December 6, 2012 It is 1261 days 180 weeks<br /><br />11/29/11 was the sentencing date. So I thought about 12/12/12 or 12/21/12 from the one year anniversary date 11/29/12 and thought to add 7 days 3x or 21 days. <br />21 days between not inclusive of either 11/29 and 12/21 ?<br />
Wow, mindblowing calculations going on. 1260 is a biblical number. A lot of biblical numbers are tied to astrology also. 1260 is a number tied to astrology and the bible. It doesn't seem like a coincidence. Maybe 12/4/12 is significant then ??<br /><br />check this website out about the bible and astrology. They mention Daniel and also 1260.<br /><br />www.british-israel.us/25.html<br /><br />update on Hurricane Sandy- It's 6:00 in upstate NY right now. Windy and rainy but not too bad yet. The wind is getting louder though. I'm holding your hand Katy and others under the storm right now. <br /><br />
<br />My guess about Michael's comeback timing:<br /><br />1- November 27th' 2012: BAM (Thursday - middle of the week)<br /><br />2- November 29th' 2012: TS' 7th Sign<br /><br />3- November 30th' 2012: 30th Thriller Anniversary + Thriller 3D movie release<br />
<br /><br />Why November 27th? Ya know somethin' :suspect: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_lol:<br />
<br /><br />Yes I know it all, I am Michael in disguise :icon_lol: :LolLolLolLol:<br />it's because 27th is in the middle of the week, just guessing that's all, anyway any day will be ok to me.....Michael please let me know before you BAM just to be ready!! :michael_jackson-1135:
So I can't forget the fact that the ambulance 71 was going backwards.......why? I have no idea, other than I have always believed it was done for a reason. <br />Going on that....count backwards from June 25, 2009. I get a couple of interesting things. <br /><br />Subtracting 71 weeks from June 25, 2009 = <br /><br />Thursday February 14, 2008 (Valentine's Day...it's all for love)...also this article appears:<br /><br />Michael Jackson: $30 Million Offer to Play London<br />Written By Roger Friedman<br />Published February 14, 2008<br />FoxNews<br /><br />Michael Jackson had better wake up and smell the coffee. He’s got a real, solid, $1 million-a-night offer on the table to play London’s Millennium Dome.<br />AEG Live, as I told you a few weeks ago, wants Jackson to play its Millennium Dome in London. Sources tell me they’ve made him an extraordinary offer.<br />The deal that’s been offered could total up to $30 million. It begins with a $10 million guarantee for 10 nights, with a maximum of 30 nights adding up to $30 million.<br />The first grouping is all he has to do, though, just those 10 shows. With bump-ups, etc., he could gross around $17 million.<br />It’s not a hard show to do, either. The proposal, as I’ve been told, is for Jackson to stage his bestselling album "Thriller" from beginning to end at each show. Then, for encores, he would add in several hits from "Off the Wall" and other albums.<br />The catch: These shows must be completed by the end of 2008, to coincide with the 25th anniversary of the album. The promoters originally thought it could happen this spring, but they’ve revised their plans to the fall.<br />"Thriller 25" — with tracks remixed by Akon, will.i.am and others — was released Tuesday and is said to be selling very well. Hitsdailydouble.com predicts the package could sell between 90,000 and 120,000 copies.<br />Not bad for a 25-year-old recording.<br />This whole deal for Jackson to perform at the Millennium Dome is tricky. I’m told the AEG people really wanted Jackson to make some kind of appearance at the Grammys on Sunday to drum up excitement.<br />"He was too scared," a source said. "He was nervous about tripping or doing something wrong. He’s paranoid. He’s got to get over it."<br />But $30 million — which is more like $15 million after taxes — is better than Jackson could hope for, considering his financial situation. Recently, Barclays and HSBC banks worked with Sony Music to refinance Jackson’s massive $300 million loan from Fortress Investments.<br />But Fortress still has a $23 million lien on Jackson’s Neverland property. That loan is separate from the aforementioned one and is in default. Fortress could foreclose at any time.<br />The AEG offer should pique Michael’s interest for other reasons, too. If he can complete the 30-concert run, he’d beat Prince’s record of 21 shows. And, sources say, Prince didn’t clear the $1 million-a-night take. Why?<br />"He charged 31.21 British sterling per show. He got the number from the album that was out at the time, called "3121." And that was taken from his address. And the numbers added up to seven, which he also liked."<br />Luckily, Michael Jackson has no address at this time, so that shouldn’t be a problem.<br /><br /><br />Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330657,00.html#ixzz2AjNwtXrz<br /><br /><br /><br />Subtracting months = July 25, 2003 .................. any thoughts?<br /><br />Subtracting years = June 25, 1938:<br />Interesting correlation to children's safety:<br />http://todayinlaborhistory.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/june-25-1938/<br /><br />1938 is also the year Bess Houdini appeared in a film called: Religious Racketeer <br />(a.k.a. Mystic Circle Murder)<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bess_Houdini<br />http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030666/<br /><br />So....it's interesting.....there always seems to be something when numbers are involved....forwards, backwards....who knows. <br />At this point it's a waiting game for me.... patience is a virtue, or so they say. I guess by that, we are all virtuous *cough* :fresse:<br /><br />Blessings Always<br /><br />@UYI.......I see you are up to your old tricks, lol......yes, you know it all : ) I am sure our buddy, ItsHer, would concur :icon_lol:<br />Great posts you have going on, by the way....thank you! Yes, it would be nice for a little pre-bam warning to ready ourselves! <br />Good to see you around....... <br />
180 weeks exactly would bring us to December 6th, like mindseye said...and it would be a complete '180' to go from 'death' back to life.<br /><br />I've been stuck on the 1260 day time frame since the beginning of the Signs. I was speaking to someone on the forum about Daniel and Revelations many months ago who helped explain a lot to me which I very much appreciated. I found a nice summary of some of what we spoke of here:<br /><br />http://www.remnantofgod.org/42-1260.htm<br /><br />
Revelation 13:5 speaks of this time as forty two months. "...and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months." The forty two months of Rev 13:5 and the "time, and times and dividing a time" of Daniel 7:25 equal the same thing. 42 months = "3 1/2 years" A "time (one year) and times (+ two years) and the dividing of time, (+ half a year ) = three and a half years, or forty two months (12+24 + 6 = 42 months) And then Revelation 12:6 confirms this when it says that the church of Jesus would hide in the wilderness for exactly 1260 days. 42 months, or 3 and a half years equals 1260 days. Still, some will say that 42 months does NOT equal 1260 days because all our months do not equal 30 days each. The fact here is, prophecy speaks of Biblical months. To understand the forty and two months, or the time, and times and diving a time, that the beast will reign, we must first find the method of time the Bible declares for prophecy. God says in Ezekiel 4:6 "I have appointed thee each day for a year" And we also find the Bible acknowledges a month to be 30 days long. Because in, Genesis 7:11 we see the rain started on the 17 day of the 2nd month and in Genesis 8:3,4 we find the water receded at the end of 150 days, then it says the ark rested on the 17th day of the 7th month. That's exactly 5 months to the day. If we divide the 150 days by the 5 months you get 30 days per month. So 42 months multiplied by 30 equals 1260. And according to Ezekiel 4:6, that's 1260 years that Papal Rome would reign.<br /><br />"Vigilius...ascended the papal chair (538 A.D.) under the military protection of Belisarius." History of the Christian Church, Vol. 3, p. 327<br /><br />Historical records reveal the papacy began its reign in 538 AD[/b] upon Emperor Justinian's decree, and under the military protection of Belisarius. And the Bible says the beast will rule for EXACTLY 1260 years before receiving a mortal wound. Now it's just a matter of simple mathematics. It is also a grand method by which to see the Lord glorified. If the prophecy is correct, 1260 years after 538 AD the Beast must receive a mortal wound. If you add 1260 years to the beginning year for the Roman Catholic church, 538 AD, you will arrive in the year 1798 AD. So, according to the Bible we are told the first reign of the Beast will last till the year 1798 . So, did it end in 1798, and how? First understand, according to the prophecy, we learn that, "He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword..." Revelation 13:10.<br /><br />The prophecy is telling us that the beast would be destroyed with the sword (sword = military) at the end of its reign of exactly 1260 years. Did this happen to Papal Rome in 1798...? YES IT DID! On February 10th Napoleon Bonaparte in that EXACT year 1798 A.D. sent his General Louis Alexandre Berthier, with his army into Rome, Italy. It is recorded... "In 1798 General Berthier made his entrance into Rome, abolished the papal government, and established a secular one." -Encyclopedia Britannica 1941 edition<br /><br />That's Exactly 42 prophetic months, or 1260 years, or a time, and times, and dividing a time after the Papacy began its powerful reign that the Pope "shall go into captivity" by the military! By the way, shortly after his captivity the Pope did in fact die, in exile.
BTW why are we counting the 1260 days from 6/25/2009? we all had a very clear message from Michael in his memorial "soon and very soon we will see the King" what if we count it from 7/7/2009 so 7/7/2009 + 1260 days = 12/18/2012, BAM?
Sunset, I'd would think Nov. 28, for, "See you next Wednesday!" (Thriller)<br /><br />Bec, Andrea and Mindseye, love your number crunching! The close difference between 1361 and 1260 (1000 + 1), certainly keep us from nailing down a date as Nov 24/Dec 6?, which adds to the mystery, or 70, 71, 490, etc. for that matter. Andrea, the fact that millions have studied those Biblical numbers/dates in day=year for 2000 years, just helps to muddy the waters, and tire the mind. I would love to see a number or proofs that clearly bridge the Bible to MJ, just as TS shows the historical accuracy of the 70 weeks fulfilled by Jesus, precisely from the giving of the law to rebuild Jerusalem of Artaxerses to the stoning of Stephen.
<br />Sunset, I'd would think Nov. 28, for, "See you next Wednesday!" (Thriller)<br /><br />Bec, Andrea and Mindseye, love your number crunching! The close difference between 1361 and 1260 (1000 + 1), certainly keep us from nailing down a date as Nov 24/Dec 6?, which adds to the mystery, or 70, 71, 490, etc. for that matter. Andrea, the fact that millions have studied those Biblical numbers/dates in day=year for 2000 years, just helps to muddy the waters, and tire the mind. I would love to see a number or proofs that clearly bridge the Bible to MJ, just as TS shows the historical accuracy of the 70 weeks fulfilled by Jesus, precisely from the giving of the law to rebuild Jerusalem of Artaxerses to the stoning of Stephen.<br />
<br /><br />I have learned a great deal from the Signs but I would love to see that too. Or at least how, exactly, the Signs relate to MJ's hoax. It's easy to draw parallels but there must be more than that.<br />
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