Coroner Van Video

Souza

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<br />I don't know if was ever discussed, but when you look at this video it seems that the timeframe is perfect. Guy in blue shirt walks into the tunnel after the van enters, he probably gets his phone to record and when he sees the gate closing he starts to run. So how can we be sure the video is fake?<br /><br />

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<br />LA Coroner garage is not van video garage. <br />We've discussed that, it's buried.<br /><br />Add: <br />this is one of the videos giving the coroner's garage (around 0:19).<br />There is no entry winding up and tuning to the right like in the van video. Impossible. <br />Check out the coroner building on Google yourself. In the first floor, there are offices and not a garage.<br /><br />The coroner garage allows for car entry into a hall only where the stretchers are waiting to take the bodies to the cool storage / examination rooms.<br /><br />

<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kh0lPubFBDc<br /><br />This is giving a broader view inside the garage:<br />

<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqVBM7AUsSE<br />

Andrea

<br /><br />*Reminder to watch later.

bec

All that debunks is that it was filmed live on scene.<br /><br />It does not debunk that it was choreographed by MJ's camp.

hesouttamylife

@Bec, my thoughts exactly!

Andrea

<br /><br />I agree with you two, I will always believe MJ was behind that video even if it wasn't filmed live that day.  I think it was important or something for MJ to show himself alive post-June 25th.

bonnie2013

I've always felt that the video was real. One thing is for sure... it was not recorded by a random person passing by.

blankie

Me too always thought that video was true.<br /><br /><br /><br />@Andrea<;br /> I think it was important or something for MJ to show himself alive post-June 25th.<br /><br />Right !!!    :icon_e_wink:<br />

Ijustcantstoplovingu

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<br />@Bec, my thoughts exactly!<br />

<br /><br /><br />Mine too, always believed it complete with hairs on the back of my neck!  <br /><br /> :bearhug:

Jowayria

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<br />I've always felt that the video was real. One thing is for sure... it was not recorded by a random person passing by.<br />

<br /><br />Absolutely ! And what would a such recorded video serve anyways if not confusing people and bewildering them ? <br /><br />I think it was proven before that the video was recorded prior to June 25th , right ?

paula-c

<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />RTL video seems to explain everything, but looking at it more closely, arouses doubts, it seems that they had wanted to be attributed the authorship of the video.<br /><br />.<br />Photo you did in mjhoaxlive<br />can see some letters on the side that does not appear in the video for the RTL or the other<br /><br /><br /><br />

bec

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<br />I've always felt that the video was real. One thing is for sure... it was not recorded by a random person passing by.<br />

<br /><br />Absolutely ! And what would a such recorded video serve anyways if not confusing people and bewildering them ? <br /><br />I think it was proven before that the video was recorded prior to June 25th , right ?<br />

<br /><br />No, not proven at all, I don't even remember that being suggested.<br /><br />I think the only thing that has been debunked is that it was filmed in live time as witnessed on the live feed.

taty_2crazy

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<br />I've always felt that the video was real. One thing is for sure... it was not recorded by a random person passing by.<br />

<br />I have no doubt that Michael is behind the recording of this video. :icon_e_smile:

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<br />I don't know if was ever discussed, but when you look at this video it seems that the timeframe is perfect. Guy in blue shirt walks into the tunnel after the van enters, he probably gets his phone to record and when he sees the gate closing he starts to run. So how can we be sure the video is fake?<br /><br />

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<br />LA Coroner garage is not van video garage. <br />We've discussed that, it's buried.<br /><br />Add: <br />this is one of the videos giving the coroner's garage (around 0:19).<br />There is no entry winding up and tuning to the right like in the van video. Impossible. <br />Check out the coroner building on Google yourself. In the first floor, there are offices and not a garage.<br /><br />The coroner garage allows for car entry into a hall only where the stretchers are waiting to take the bodies to the cool storage / examination rooms.<br /><br />

<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kh0lPubFBDc<br /><br />This is giving a broader view inside the garage:<br />

<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqVBM7AUsSE<br />

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<br />[size=24pt]<br />I wouldn't be so prompt in debunking this video. I have a suspicion  it did happen, MJ got caught and they had to retrack what happened, or it was part of the hoax, making us debate if it is true or not. Did MJ succeed? Yes he did.  Mj was good friends with the producer of RTL Germany television. RTL sponsered  of MJ concert in Wembley 16 juillet 1988. Now again this is my opinion doesn't mean it correct. The most stupid evidence can be crucial in an investigation, should not be tossed away. [/size]

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<br />I don't know if was ever discussed, but when you look at this video it seems that the timeframe is perfect. Guy in blue shirt walks into the tunnel after the van enters, he probably gets his phone to record and when he sees the gate closing he starts to run. So how can we be sure the video is fake?<br /><br />

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<br />LA Coroner garage is not van video garage. <br />We've discussed that, it's buried.<br /><br />Add: <br />this is one of the videos giving the coroner's garage (around 0:19).<br />There is no entry winding up and tuning to the right like in the van video. Impossible. <br />Check out the coroner building on Google yourself. In the first floor, there are offices and not a garage.<br /><br />The coroner garage allows for car entry into a hall only where the stretchers are waiting to take the bodies to the cool storage / examination rooms.<br /><br />

<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kh0lPubFBDc<br /><br />This is giving a broader view inside the garage:<br />

<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqVBM7AUsSE<br />

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<br />[size=12pt]<br />I wouldn't be so prompt in debunking this video. I have a suspicion  it did happen, MJ got caught and they had to retrack what happened, or it was part of the hoax, making us debate if it is true or not. Did MJ succeed? Yes he did.  Mj was good friends with the producer of RTL Germany television. RTL sponsered  of MJ concert in Wembley 16 juillet 1988. Now again this is my opinion doesn't mean it correct. The most stupid evidence can be crucial in an investigation, should not be tossed away. [/size] <br />

<br /><br />So sorry I did not mean to add this big size.. sorry again. I don't know how to edit.  :michael_jackson-1135:

hesouttamylife

<br />I’ve always believed the van video to be real and one of the main, concrete occurrences that has kept my faith in Michael being alive. I saw him walk out of that van, cloaked and assisted, but visible enough to be able to set the wheels of speculation rolling. I also believe that the aid of RTL could have been solicited by MJ’s camp to take responsibility for that video and to report that it as “fake" to purposely bring more attention to it to bring those on the border between hoax versus dead over the hump.  What it did for me was it increased my belief that it was planned (as I believe was the reason behind it) because I do not recall any other incident where a so called “fake” video (and there are thousands of them) surfaced and a legitimate business took responsibility for being behind it, complete with a detailed explanation, however shaky it was.  It just doesn’t happen.  This video for me separated the die hard hoaxers from the believers in that the latter felt insulted by the video as they do about anything hoax related    But for those of us who watch and wait for signs, this was an in-your-face one and yes, I believe Michael gave us that sign early on in the hoax (possibly before the hoax was put into full effect) for our reassurance.  He gave us that one sighting, and then had it removed.  Glimpses and flashes knowing that once you’ve seen something, you never forget it no matter what “clean-up” (garbage again) becomes a part of the aftermath.

Souza

I did not say it wasn't MJs work, I only said it can't have been filmed at the coroner's garage.

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<br />I did not say it wasn't MJs work, I only said it can't have been filmed at the coroner's garage.<br />

<br /><br />So then it shouldn't be debunked. Even if it wasn't shot in the coroner's garage, the possibility can be true.  We should still talk about it and find out more info. IMO

everlastinglove_MJ

I'm reposting my comment from last Nov.:<br /><br />

Re: TIAI November 11 (11-11-11)<br /><br />« Reply #2307 on: November 03, 2012, 08:26:51 PM » <br /><br /><br /><br />Quote from: ellyd on November 03, 2012, 10:08:26 AM:<br />

MJonmind, the RTL video was made up. <br />Garage in the "making of" and "leaked video" is the same.<br /><br />However the video was made up for a purpose and leaked that day for a reason.<br />Maybe it was one of the many sting rays we have seen to prove how gullible folks are. Even hoaxers.

<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Good point. Although the 'van video' seemed to be an experiment, according to this article http://pulse2.com/2009/09/02/german-tv-company-rtl-created-michael-jackson-hoax-video/, it resulted in confusion, suspicion and above all media/web attention, which could fit the hoax time line and purpose to get more beLIEvers, or simply to create curiosity and interest in the hoax. It could have been MJ, I am not sure about that, but may be all will be explained in the hoax movie..who knows

<br /><br /><br />http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,21319.msg427904/topicseen.html#msg427904<br /><br />

German company RTL purposely created a video hoax of Michael Jackson jumping out of a coroner van to show how fast misinformation and conspiracy theories can spread on the Internet. The video may have had some people believing that Michael Jackson is still alive despite his passing in late June.<br /> <br />The video received well over 1.75 million views since it was uploaded in the last week. RTL removed it from YouTube, but several other people added the video back. Heike Schultz, a spokesman for RTL said that the video was a hoax to show how easily people can be manipulated and that the response was “breathtaking.” <br /><br />RTL admitted the hoax in a report on August 26 in their daily news show Explosiv. “We didn’t want to dishonor Michael Jackson, but we needed a strong name to get this experiment going,” stated Schultz in the AP interview. <br />

http://pulse2.com/2009/09/02/german-tv-company-rtl-created-michael-jackson-hoax-video/<br /><br />

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<br /> <br />I agree with you two, I will always believe MJ was behind that video even if it wasn't filmed live that day.  I think it was important or something for MJ to show himself alive post-June 25th.<br />

<br /><br />I agree.<br /><br />

Australian MJ BeLIEver

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<br /> <br />I agree with you two, I will always believe MJ was behind that video even if it wasn't filmed live that day.<br />

<br /><br />+1<br /><br /><br />

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<br />Me too always thought that video was true.<br />@Andrea<;br /> I think it was important or something for MJ to show himself alive post-June 25th.<br /><br />Right !!!    :icon_e_wink:<br />

<br /><br />Agree. Even if it wasn't even MJ and only a double, still serves the same purpose. Has ppl doubting he's dead. Love it!  :icon_mrgreen:<br /><br />

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<br /> He gave us that one sighting, and then had it removed.  Glimpses and flashes knowing that once you’ve seen something, you never forget it no matter what “clean-up” (garbage again) becomes a part of the aftermath.<br />

<br /><br />yep, that scene is burned into my brain til my dying day!  :icon_e_smile:<br /><br /><br />

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<br /><br />RTL video seems to explain everything, but looking at it more closely, arouses doubts, it seems that they had wanted to be attributed the authorship of the video.<br /><br />

<br /><br />Get what you are saying. Also I think RTL deliberately made it look like them filming so that when they retract it and claim 'experiment' people will believe them. The majority anyway. Which I believe MJ would have wanted the majority thinking he his dead this early in the piece. But set a trail for a few that end up doubting the death and claim 'hoax' The ones who didnt buy it (the retraction from RTL) turn into hoaxers. :icon_mrgreen:<br /><br /><br />EDIT: That's providing they weren't already a hoaxer.  :icon_e_wink:<br /><br /><br />As mentioned earlier, some people are more visual than others (I often fall into this category, when I'm not thinking am am just swallowing) and didn't pick up on the clues that it was a hoax early on. They were believing it (death) just because "they read it in a magazine or see it on TV screen" So he gave the ones who operate like that, something visual, their language, in case they hadn't picked up on the discrepancies that pointed to a hoax. Once seen, the seed of doubt about the death / funeral you saw on TV is sewn!<br /><br />Brilliant!  :th_bravo:

MysticFairy

Is that Michael getting out of the coroner van? - No<br />Is Michael behind this? - Yes<br /><br />Planting the first seeds of the hoax with a "hoax" video is so cleaver. It poked people to dig the hoax hole more.

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<br />Is that Michael getting out of the coroner van? - No<br />Is Michael behind this? - Yes<br /><br />Planting the first seeds of the hoax with a "hoax" video is so cleaver. It poked people to dig the hoax hole more.<br />

<br /><br />[size=18pt]We don't know if it's MJ or not coming out of the van, we cannot speculate. I am certain MJ is behind it 1000% [/size]

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<br />Is that Michael getting out of the coroner van? - No<br />Is Michael behind this? - Yes<br /><br />Planting the first seeds of the hoax with a "hoax" video is so cleaver. It poked people to dig the hoax hole more.<br />

<br /><br />[size=18pt]We don't know if it's MJ or not coming out of the van, we cannot speculate. I am certain MJ is behind it 1000% [/size] <br />

<br /><br />We have been speculating about the hoax for the past 3 1/2 years, so I think we can speculate about this issue too. In my humble opinion MJ didn't need to risk himself by being in that van and getting out of it. But who knows. It could be him too.

paula-c

Well, this video could have been done another day

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<br />Is that Michael getting out of the coroner van? - No<br />Is Michael behind this? - Yes<br /><br />Planting the first seeds of the hoax with a "hoax" video is so cleaver. It poked people to dig the hoax hole more.<br />

<br /><br />[size=18pt]We don't know if it's MJ or not coming out of the van, we cannot speculate. I am certain MJ is behind it 1000% [/size] <br />

<br /><br />We have been speculating about the hoax for the past 3 1/2 years, so I think we can speculate about this issue too. In my humble opinion MJ didn't need to risk himself by being in that van and getting out of it. But who knows. It could be him too.<br />

<br /><br />You know what it can be anyone, but Mj is behind probably filming it. He is the director of this mini movie. lol :LolLolLolLol:

bec

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<br />Well, this video could have been done another day<br />

<br /><br />Sure. It could have been that day as well. All we know for certain is the van in the video didn't pull in to the usual dock of the LA County Morgue where they unload bodies. So it was for certain a deviation from the standard procedure that we can witness on the documentary video.<br /><br />How do we know this? The video ellyd posted shows standard operating procedure for LA County Coroner when dropping off a dead body at the morgue and the location in the documentary video does not match the location shown on van video.<br /><br />I think van video is a strong suggestion to the audience of what REALLY happened that day and that is it's purpose. I don't think it was filmed live as suggested on 6/25/09. Now THAT would have been risky. What if blue shirt guy wasn't alone? What if there were other people with cameras that followed the van as well? Too many variables to try to control and the duration of drive time/distance from entering the garage and drop off that is suggested on the tape is too close to the street. Towel on his head or no towel, some guy looking like MJ jumping out of the back of the van escorted by a big black body guard looking dude is going to make anyone's head turn on 6/25/09.<br /><br />Blue shirt guy may have been at a mark and staged to slip into the garage after the van live on 6/25/09 in order to set the stage for this video later, with his presence at the scene designed to lend credibility to van video when the facts were reviewed. OR OR OR... blue shirt guy was some anonymous stranger who just happened to be there and was caught on camera running in after the van and MJ USED this chance event and chance random guy to lend realism to his van video prank, though that seems awfully lucky, it's still possible.<br /><br />I agree with others who says it's MJ's work. It's got his stink all over it, as they say. When put together with the events of 6/25/09, it's superb theater.<br /><br />Another reason to call BS on the RTL explanation: The Jackson family never condemned RTL for this. If MJ were really dead, this type of "prank" would cause outrage in the family.

Andrea

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<br />Well, this video could have been done another day<br />

<br /><br />Sure. It could have been that day as well. All we know for certain is the van in the video didn't pull in to the usual dock of the LA County Morgue where they unload bodies. So it was for certain a deviation from the standard procedure that we can witness on the documentary video.<br /><br />How do we know this? The video ellyd posted shows standard operating procedure for LA County Coroner when dropping off a dead body at the morgue and the location in the documentary video does not match the location shown on van video.<br /><br />I think van video is a strong suggestion to the audience of what REALLY happened that day and that is it's purpose. I don't think it was filmed live as suggested on 6/25/09. Now THAT would have been risky. What if blue shirt guy wasn't alone? What if there were other people with cameras that followed the van as well? Too many variables to try to control and the duration of drive time/distance from entering the garage and drop off that is suggested on the tape is too close to the street. Towel on his head or no towel, some guy looking like MJ jumping out of the back of the van escorted by a big black body guard looking dude is going to make anyone's head turn on 6/25/09.<br /><br />Blue shirt guy may have been at a mark and staged to slip into the garage after the van live on 6/25/09 in order to set the stage for this video later, with his presence at the scene designed to lend credibility to van video when the facts were reviewed. OR OR OR... blue shirt guy was some anonymous stranger who just happened to be there and was caught on camera running in after the van and MJ USED this chance event and chance random guy to lend realism to his van video prank, though that seems awfully lucky, it's still possible.<br /><br />I agree with others who says it's MJ's work. It's got his stink all over it, as they say. When put together with the events of 6/25/09, it's superb theater.<br /><br />Another reason to call BS on the RTL explanation: The Jackson family never condemned RTL for this. If MJ were really dead, this type of "prank" would cause outrage in the family.<br />

<br /><br /><br /><br />Exactly bec.  We were shown a glimpse of truth with that video.  And excellent point about the lack of reaction from the Jacksons.