Michael Isnt coming back

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  • Did anyone pay attention to the ending of This Is It? Michael said and I quote "We have 4 years to get it right" why say 4 years? The TII Tour would not have lasted 4 years. 4 years from 2009 will be 2013, does Michael know something about the Government that we don't? He COULD be returning in 2013......

    I watched TII again last night and I also heard him say it other times I watched it. Did he say "we have 4 years" or "we've *had* 4 years" to get it right? Either way I always wondered what he meant because he only supposedly started rehearsing in 2009.

    I think I mentioned before what I just don't get is if it was meant to be concerts only, why are they interviewing everyone (dancers, band)? Has MJ filmed behind the scenes footage of his other tours and interviewed people? And if they decided to do interviews to make the movie more interesting or whatever, after his "death" then why are they all talking in present tense, happy and excited? A lot of times I thought they were just acting as if it was natural, much like the Jackson Family Dynasty series; made to look spontaneous but really scripted. And why would MJ have himself as a voice-over talking about how he loves trees, etc. if it was only meant to be concerts? Not that I mind hearing him talk, obviously...it just seemed odd. =
  • Looking at the recent trial developments, I more and more tend to think this hoax is meant to last four years! That's why MJ said "We've got four years to get it right" - "it" - being his comeback and clearing his good name.
  • Looking at the recent trial developments, I more and more tend to think this hoax is meant to last four years! That's why MJ said "We've got four years to get it right" - "it" - being his comeback and clearing his good name.


    If there is a thought that Michael is waiting his name be cleared up before he returns, then it will never happen, simply because there is no way people' s sick minds will be cleared 100%. There will always be sick, evil , stubborn, stupid ones who will talk bad about MJ calling him wacko/ molester/freak. And MJ realizes it very well.
  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    Well, TS just said we are near the end....
  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
    The come back has to be analised in accordance to the reasons for hoaxing his death.
    He wanted to get away and live on an island somewhere, in hiding for the rest of his life? That could have been done without all the circus of a faked death.
    So I don't think that was the reason.

    Exposing the media who is no longer doing its job of informing people of the real events, but it's fabricating stories for money, looks like a good reason and this means he will come back, otherwise he can't reach his goal of exposing the media.

    The end of the world? I am not sure about this but he said we have 4 years to make it right. Then he died and left us the question why he said it? Are we indeed living the apocalipse and we don't even realise? How many ends of world passed and nothing happened? People don't really believe the world could end during their lifetime....yes it will end some day but always not now but in a distant future.....

    Was Michael seeing the signs of the end of times? But he told us it's and adventure, a great adventure, and that there is nothing to be nervous about. Hmmmm, I would be very nervous if I knew the end of the world is coming <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> . If that was his reason than I would say the come back is a must.

    Of course, another possibility is that he simply died and in this case I agree he won't come back but in another reincarnation, probably not during our lifetime.
    I see the "end of the world" and "apocalipse" as very open to interpretation type things. Could mean major changes or even ways of thinking. Could be literal--could be symbolical, hard to say. This is God's world stage, history drama that we are all actors in, and He is the writer, director etc. We can trust God. I believe we can trust what Michael has planned here as well, whatever future role he will play and how it will involve us.

    On MJ's return, I'm thinking of the HMH video. Right at the beginning the lone voice calls, "Come back!" I think put in deliberately and I believe Michael was behind the video's making. Another short clip is the camera moving up from below the ground to grass and sunlight, as in resurrection. A resurrection means seeing the person again. At the end we see this boot step into the puddle by MJ's star of fame, and I believe that is MJ's foot indicating his come-back. Who else's foot would the creator be meaning, leaving it as a mystery (there's the water theme again). All the incredible work of putting together and carrying out this hoax, would be completely pointless without a return.

    Just reminds me of the movie Mrs. Doubtfire. When "her" mask comes off and everyone sees it is the children's dad, there is major shock and upset by some. But when the dust settles there is a whole new world of opportunity that opens up, a new paradyme begins. Mrs. Doubtfire has her own TV show and is loved by children everywhere.

    When MJ returns, there will be mega shock, joy, anger, hatred, name-calling. But when the dust settles a whole new view on MJ will emerge. A seed has to die before it springs to life to produce fruit. I believe MJ has this all under control, under God's guidance and protection.
  • Well, TS just said we are near the end....


    When did he say that? <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
    I must have missed something,...
    I remember he said that in January 2010 though... <!-- s:| -->:|<!-- s:| -->
  • Well, TS just said we are near the end....


    Really? How close that end because we have postponed the end several times already.

    PS. Is that your picture on avatar, Gina? Are you a man? Just curious. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
  • Billie JBillie J Posts: 250
    A dead mj do not leave clues....or if he faked his death and never will come back,don't ya think he will make sure to not leave any trace at all,not even the easiest clues like wrong middle name and wrong hair color on autopsy report.
  • I am going to stick with my intuition!
    It is not telling me he is DEAD!
    I feel in my heart he is going to return!
  • ILOVEMJ,

    I can see where you have your doubts but please don't throw in the towel. Not yet. These clues, this hoax, this trial, and this situation has gone on for far too long to quit. But you're right, none of us are 100 % sure Michael is alive. And maybe we don't have concrete evidence of him being alive, but it's also true that we don't have concrete evidence of him being dead either and you have to remember that "just because it's in print, doesn't mean it's the gospel". If he's alive, which I truly believe he is with all of my heart, then he did this because he was in danger. He did NOT do this just for the heck of it. Michael said himself that he has been a target and that he was fearing for his life and he wasn't more scared than the days leading up to his death. That should ring a bell right there. Michael was planning an enormous concert for his fans the audiences of the world that was going to smash records and completely blow the world away. Think about how the people who are targeting him would have reacted to that. Well, if you don't know the answer, here it is. I am sure they thought "Hey, look! Michael, our target, is putting together a comeback! Now we can REALLY get him! He will be right out in the open". Now, Michael is extremely smart and he seems to be one step ahead of his enemies all the time. He must have sensed this and the only thing he could do to save his life and his children was to fake his death. That way, if he is "dead", there's no way they can target him.

    Once again, I believe Michael is alive with all my heart but not because I'm such a big fan that I just can't believe he's gone. That's not it. I'm 16 years old and I've been an MJ fan since I was 4. Am I a big fan? Of course but do I believe he's alive because I just can't take the fact that he's dead? Absolutely not. I just truly believe that Michael was in danger and that his family, his close friends, and pieces of the media are hiding the truth on us. I've always said that if Michael is alive and if he loves his fans and music too much to let them go, he will come back, only if he feels that it's safe to. But I also have always said that if Dr. Murray goes to jail, then he must be dead.

    But please, keep the faith at least until the trial is over.

    God Bless and remember that it's all for love.
  • scorpionchikscorpionchik Posts: 2,669
    ILOVEMJ,

    I can see where you have your doubts but please don't throw in the towel. Not yet. These clues, this hoax, this trial, and this situation has gone on for far too long to quit. But you're right, none of us are 100 % sure Michael is alive. And maybe we don't have concrete evidence of him being alive, but it's also true that we don't have concrete evidence of him being dead either
    I just truly believe that Michael was in danger and that his family, his close friends, and pieces of the media are hiding the truth on us. I've always said that if Michael is alive and if he loves his fans and music too much to let them go, he will come back, only if he feels that it's safe to. But I also have always said that if Dr. Murray goes to jail, then he must be dead.]

    I support your opinion, except for the last sentence. Here is why.
    if Murray goes to jail, it absolutely won't indicate that Michael is dead .
    I have always considered 2 possibilities of Murray role: that he was hired to kill Michael but failed or he joined Michael to help him hoax. In both cases, Murray must be charged with at least manslaughter not to frighten bigger fishes. Those who wanted Michael dead must believe he is dead, for now.
  • ILOVEMJ,

    I can see where you have your doubts but please don't throw in the towel. Not yet. These clues, this hoax, this trial, and this situation has gone on for far too long to quit. But you're right, none of us are 100 % sure Michael is alive. And maybe we don't have concrete evidence of him being alive, but it's also true that we don't have concrete evidence of him being dead either
    I just truly believe that Michael was in danger and that his family, his close friends, and pieces of the media are hiding the truth on us. I've always said that if Michael is alive and if he loves his fans and music too much to let them go, he will come back, only if he feels that it's safe to. But I also have always said that if Dr. Murray goes to jail, then he must be dead.]

    I support your opinion, except for the last sentence. Here is why.
    if Murray goes to jail, it absolutely won't indicate that Michael is dead .
    I have always considered 2 possibilities of Murray role: that he was hired to kill Michael but failed or he joined Michael to help him hoax. In both cases, Murray must be charged with at least manslaughter not to frighten bigger fishes. Those who wanted Michael dead must believe he is dead, for now.

    You're entitled to your opinion but I, personally, would lose my faith if Murray went to jail because even if he did join Michael in the hoax, MJ would never let an innocent man suffer in jail.
  • ArielAriel Posts: 84
    I don't come here often and can't read all, but I was thinking along the lines ...
    Why should he come back?
    Michael Jackson has been chased a lot during his life, by media and fans. In fact people that appreciated his art, but never been obsessed with the artist, would never be heard in the mass hysteria.
    I see many reasons for hoaxing his death and coming back would be just a "may be"

    1. He was living in a golden cage, but he wanted his children to be free. May be he thought if he disappeared it would be better for them.
    2. The wold needs to separate the art from the artist. He has good messages in his lyrics, but it is hard to hear them among the screams from media and avid fans. So, he had to do something while the message is still relevant, save the world if he really believed we only had few years.

    I can not tell if this is working at this point or not. May be #1 is working, #2, not so much.
  • I don't come here often and can't read all, but I was thinking along the lines ...<br />Why should he come back?<br />Michael Jackson has been chased a lot during his life, by media and fans. In fact people that appreciated his art, but never been obsessed with the artist, would never be heard in the mass hysteria.<br />I see many reasons for hoaxing his death and coming back would be just a "may be"<br /><br />1. He was living in a golden cage, but he wanted his children to be free. May be he thought if he disappeared it would be better for them.<br />2. The wold needs to separate the art from the artist. He has good messages in his lyrics, but it is hard to hear them among the screams from media and avid fans. So, he had to do something while the message is still relevant, save the world if he really believed we only had few years.<br />I can not tell if this is working at this point or not. May be #1 is working, #2, not so much.
    <br /><br />if we don't start listening we are going to self distruct.
  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
    I believe the signs point to MJ having planned this hoax for at least 20 years. The theme of this same death and resurrection is given in many of his videos and songs. It is given in TII. I believe the most important reason for the hoax is not that his life is in danger, although it often appears that troubles follow him. MJ said he has rhinoceros skin and he doesn't let those things get to him. Rather it is for the ultimate "Greatest Show on Earth", an incredible work of art, "talent like you never seen before", a real live Thriller 2 movie with us included, an adventure. Most importantly Michael felt that God gave him the songs, and a special message to the world of love to bring healing for all people that would save us from destroying ourselvles. TS listed all those things as being the reasons, but he did not mention that MJ's life was actually in danger. TS also confirmed that absolutely Michael was going to come back. The waiting is very painfully hard, because we are constantly under attack from the non-believers taunting us, and our own inner doubts the longer we go without the return. MJ has planned this for so long and he will take his own sweet time in carrying it out to completion. He says, "All the things that I promised, I'll fulfill in time" in Invincible.

    All the thousands of crazy details and inconsistencies in this hoax that we've discovered are there to assure us that the mastermind is at work behind the scenes for us, and if he's gone to that much work then surely he will bring the final act that every good magician delivers to wow his audience, the grand escape and appearance! We have to "keep watching". This is the longest-running magician act ever. I'm not going anywhere.
  • i love michael jackson but think about it
    why would his whole family still be playing along with the idea of his death if he were to come out in the nearer future??
    Faking your own death is a criminal offence, so if he did come back, he would go straight to prison
    And if he wasnt dead then why would Conrad Murray be in the process of prosecution?
    There is no reason for michael to do all of this, everything else is just coincidences that we fans have put together for a defense because we dont want to believe that he really is gone
    i have read and watched and heard everything about his hoax and i still havent seen much concrete evidence of him still being alive

    Part of me really believes he's dead, and that is what aches the most...but then there is another side of me that says "What if"?? I personally wouldn't mind him doing this - his life had become a circus....no wonder he wanted to walk away from it...but then again, why would he do this to his children who he loved more than life itself?
  • angranityangranity Posts: 339
    i love michael jackson but think about it
    why would his whole family still be playing along with the idea of his death if he were to come out in the nearer future??
    Faking your own death is a criminal offence, so if he did come back, he would go straight to prison
    And if he wasnt dead then why would Conrad Murray be in the process of prosecution?
    There is no reason for michael to do all of this, everything else is just coincidences that we fans have put together for a defense because we dont want to believe that he really is gone
    i have read and watched and heard everything about his hoax and i still havent seen much concrete evidence of him still being alive

    Part of me really believes he's dead, and that is what aches the most...but then there is another side of me that says "What if"?? I personally wouldn't mind him doing this - his life had become a circus....no wonder he wanted to walk away from it...but then again, why would he do this to his children who he loved more than life itself?
    Have you read all of this?

    If you haven't I highly recommend it because after reading it you'll be convinced just as much as I am. I've seen lots of videos and read more though.. But even that post on the homepage is great.
  • I don't come here often and can't read all, but I was thinking along the lines ...
    Why should he come back?
    Michael Jackson has been chased a lot during his life, by media and fans. In fact people that appreciated his art, but never been obsessed with the artist, would never be heard in the mass hysteria.
    I see many reasons for hoaxing his death and coming back would be just a "may be"

    1. He was living in a golden cage, but he wanted his children to be free. May be he thought if he disappeared it would be better for them.
    2. The wold needs to separate the art from the artist. He has good messages in his lyrics, but it is hard to hear them among the screams from media and avid fans. So, he had to do something while the message is still relevant, save the world if he really believed we only had few years.

    I can not tell if this is working at this point or not. May be #1 is working, #2, not so much.


    Great post. I love your #2 reasoning especially. Very forward thinking. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
  • mopey3655mopey3655 Posts: 210
    I have a special message to all of you, I had a conversation with someone last night I really cant get into any details but I was told that he/she is employed with Michael. Said to tell everyone that MIchael is alive and he is doing well. He is healthy and safe. I was told that Michael had to do what he did for himself and his family's safety. It is true that Michael was very much in danger of his life and his children's. He had no choice but he is fine and getting alot of rest which he richly deserves and needs. I was told to tell all of Michael's fans that he loves them very much and he worries about them and is sad that he had to do what he did and the fact that there are so many still out there who believes that he is dead and that he knows they are hurting and it makes him very sad. I was told to inform everyone that he will be back but no date yet said when Michael is ready and 100% sure he will be safe to come back. The person told me that the children are not with Michael but he sees them as often as possible for him to see them. The person would not say where Michael is but told me if they told me where Michael was I would not believe it. I am from the Bahamas and they did tell me that he is not in the Bahamas (smile). I dont know who the person is but we were in the chatroom talking and then they started PM me. They said they are with Michael and he is being well taken care of. He is happy and trying to enjoy his life right now. It was a long conversation and too much to go into here. But Michael is worrying alot about us and it makes him sad to see what we are going through and he knows that some people will hate him for what he did but it could not be avoided. But he asked me to please stress to everyone that he loves you all very much and thinks about his fans every minute of the day and that when he comes back we aint see nothing yet. He said to please please dont hate him and try to understand but he will let us know. He told me that he could tell me how Michael pulled 06/25/09 off but couldnt tell me much more but i was so out of it I didnt ask them, but if I hear from them today I will ask. The person was limited to what they could tell me but we talked alot mostly giving encouragement to Michael to let him know that his fans love him more than anything in the world and we just want him back safe and sound. I dont know whether this person is on the up and up but I am just telling you about the conversation I know we've had alot of trolls in the past and still some coming on but this is the message I was told. I really dont know what to think of it and was apprehensive to let all of you know but I decided to anyway. Blessings to all.
  • mopey3655mopey3655 Posts: 210
    I know we have had so many trolls coming on claiming to know michael personally or giving clues as if they were michael but tell me what you think about this.
  • starchildstarchild Posts: 374
    I know we have had so many trolls coming on claiming to know michael personally or giving clues as if they were michael but tell me what you think about this.
    Your post above definitely details a very interesting conversation. In answer to your question, though, there's really no telling who's who on here--just everyone's best guess. Just my two cents.
  • cassiopecassiope Posts: 29
    I don't believe you really want to know what I think!!! If you really had that conversation, I am flabbergasted you actually believed it. Someone just started to PM you and told you that he is alive. OK, I guess that settles it. Excuse me if I sound sarcastic <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
  • I have a special message to all of you, I had a conversation with someone last night I really cant get into any details but I was told that he/she is employed with Michael. Said to tell everyone that MIchael is alive and he is doing well. He is healthy and safe. I was told that Michael had to do what he did for himself and his family's safety. It is true that Michael was very much in danger of his life and his children's. He had no choice but he is fine and getting alot of rest which he richly deserves and needs. I was told to tell all of Michael's fans that he loves them very much and he worries about them and is sad that he had to do what he did and the fact that there are so many still out there who believes that he is dead and that he knows they are hurting and it makes him very sad. I was told to inform everyone that he will be back but no date yet said when Michael is ready and 100% sure he will be safe to come back. The person told me that the children are not with Michael but he sees them as often as possible for him to see them. The person would not say where Michael is but told me if they told me where Michael was I would not believe it. I am from the Bahamas and they did tell me that he is not in the Bahamas (smile). I dont know who the person is but we were in the chatroom talking and then they started PM me. They said they are with Michael and he is being well taken care of. He is happy and trying to enjoy his life right now. It was a long conversation and too much to go into here. But Michael is worrying alot about us and it makes him sad to see what we are going through and he knows that some people will hate him for what he did but it could not be avoided. But he asked me to please stress to everyone that he loves you all very much and thinks about his fans every minute of the day and that when he comes back we aint see nothing yet. He said to please please dont hate him and try to understand but he will let us know. He told me that he could tell me how Michael pulled 06/25/09 off but couldnt tell me much more but i was so out of it I didnt ask them, but if I hear from them today I will ask. The person was limited to what they could tell me but we talked alot mostly giving encouragement to Michael to let him know that his fans love him more than anything in the world and we just want him back safe and sound. I dont know whether this person is on the up and up but I am just telling you about the conversation I know we've had alot of trolls in the past and still some coming on but this is the message I was told. I really dont know what to think of it and was apprehensive to let all of you know but I decided to anyway. Blessings to all.

    Mopey - thank you so much for taking the chance to share this with us knowing that some will accept what you say and some won't. That's what love is all about - opening yourself up for the good of the other person. You could of kept this to yourself but you didn't. You've been on this forum long enough now that I know you are sincere.

    Now, do I believe it? Maybe not but then is everyone a liar? IDK - I do think there are some who have tried to relay messages but we haven't listened very well. All I can say is that the truth will prevail in the end. Give it time, keep your mind, ears, eyes, and heart open to hear the truth but weed out the lies.

    Many blessings to you. If you hear any more from this person, please feel free to share. If it's truth it will hold solid till the end. Thanks again for sharing.
  • mopey3655mopey3655 Posts: 210
    Thank you voiceforthesilent for your kind words and to answer cassiope's remark actually it was not a PM it was a discussion in the chatroom and that is your choice whether you believe me or not I respect that but its not only me who have had conversations with this person and they can verify and many of them have feelings that this person is genuine. If you were in the chatroom at the time and a part of the conversations that we had with this person then you can maybe understand why I said what I said. This person is one of the only people who actually came on and say the things they said and it seems believable. I am hoping that Souza comes on and he is in the chatroom and she can talk to him herself and make her determination. Speaking for myself I believe what he is saying, yes I may be wrong about this person but he hasnt done any harm as far as I am concerned, only said good, positive things and wanting the same thing all of us want to have Michael back safe and in good health but then again thats my opinion. I am only relaying a message and that is Michael loves his fans and misses them very much. He worries for us very much and is sad that he had to do this the way it was done but he was left no choice because his life and the lives of his family is in fact in danger and he had to do what he did for the sake of him and his family. He never want to hurt his fans because he loves them very very much but he will be back and he promises to make it up to them. That is what I was told to relay to all of you and that is what I promised to do. So please tell me if this message has hurt anyone no matter who it came from. Blessings.
  • fordtocarrfordtocarr Posts: 1,547
    I don't know what to think mopey. You had this conversation on the 12th and I got a phone call from L.A. where I know NO ONE on the 14th. There's something scary going on <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
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