Michael said goodbye
tinker_bell
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So it is my turn to join those who think Michael is not coming back. As much as it is painful to think that we lost him or better say - lost a sight of him, I find strength and hope in thinking he’s free now. Free from the pressure and spotlight, free from idolizing love and irrational hatred, free from being haunted everywhere he goes, free from being larger than life and free to finally have a life. He gave all he could give, he was performing for over 40 years of his life, for most of his life he was the undisputed King of Pop, legend and superstar, he reached the heights no one ever reached before and he paid an enormous price for that. I truly believe he enjoyed this life as much as he could, doing what he loved most: creating, perfectionizing, helping other people, giving them hope, sense of awakening, taking them to the land of dreams and magic and speaking to their hearts. He really had it all… and he really made the world a better place.
I think the answer was in front of us all along, given by Michael himself. He said goodbye in March, I really think so now…
“I love you so much. Thank you all. This is it. I just want to say these, these will be my final show performances in London. This is it, this is it and when I say “this is it” it really means this is it because erm…I’ll be, I’ll be performing the songs my fans want to hear. This is it, I mean, this is, this is the final curtain call okay? And, erm…I’ll see you in July and … I love you. I really do. You have to know that, I love you so much, really, from the bottom of my heart”.
And it explains so many things… The movie made ‘for the fans’ instead of R.I.P., Michael’s messages throughout the movie (heal the planet, it’s all for L.O.V.E. – the movie was made out of love as a final gift), TMZ knowing significantly before what was going on back on June 25, family and kids acting too calm (they obviously know Michael is alive and it was his decision to leave).
And he really thought of everyone: his family and children would be financially safe (as they come first), and his fans, ho come second, would hear the songs they wanted to hear and see him performing again, and not just some thousands of lucky ones who could go to the London shows, but millions of people around the world.
That is really the Final curtain for the King of Pop, who he is no more (he still is for the world though). 50 years… is a significant date and an appropriate time to start a new life. We probably would never know what his life would be like from now on... unless he changes his mind one day!
And this particular hoax… in Dave Dave’s words - is just a hoax, a necessary technical means to realize and formalize the plan. People may have different opinions on that. Some would find it ‘unnecessary’ (like Kenny Ortega), to some it would come as a 'surprise' (like to Michael’s brothers) and some may just refer to it as a ‘sad occasion’ (as Lionel Ritchie). But after all it was HIS decision, and he always did what he wanted. As for us... it's an adventure, a great adventure, isn't it? <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
JMHO...
I think the answer was in front of us all along, given by Michael himself. He said goodbye in March, I really think so now…
“I love you so much. Thank you all. This is it. I just want to say these, these will be my final show performances in London. This is it, this is it and when I say “this is it” it really means this is it because erm…I’ll be, I’ll be performing the songs my fans want to hear. This is it, I mean, this is, this is the final curtain call okay? And, erm…I’ll see you in July and … I love you. I really do. You have to know that, I love you so much, really, from the bottom of my heart”.
And it explains so many things… The movie made ‘for the fans’ instead of R.I.P., Michael’s messages throughout the movie (heal the planet, it’s all for L.O.V.E. – the movie was made out of love as a final gift), TMZ knowing significantly before what was going on back on June 25, family and kids acting too calm (they obviously know Michael is alive and it was his decision to leave).
And he really thought of everyone: his family and children would be financially safe (as they come first), and his fans, ho come second, would hear the songs they wanted to hear and see him performing again, and not just some thousands of lucky ones who could go to the London shows, but millions of people around the world.
That is really the Final curtain for the King of Pop, who he is no more (he still is for the world though). 50 years… is a significant date and an appropriate time to start a new life. We probably would never know what his life would be like from now on... unless he changes his mind one day!
And this particular hoax… in Dave Dave’s words - is just a hoax, a necessary technical means to realize and formalize the plan. People may have different opinions on that. Some would find it ‘unnecessary’ (like Kenny Ortega), to some it would come as a 'surprise' (like to Michael’s brothers) and some may just refer to it as a ‘sad occasion’ (as Lionel Ritchie). But after all it was HIS decision, and he always did what he wanted. As for us... it's an adventure, a great adventure, isn't it? <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
JMHO...
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BUT o2 was staged, so was the rehearsals, to many coincidences eventually become non coincidences and actually mean something, the dave dave being michael(he was) and all the millions of clues leads me to believe he will reveal all of this, the best is yet to come.
Or else i wouldnt even be here.
Every stranger's opinion about his actual or hypothetical actions are just speculation, and speculation will get you nowhere when it comes to trying to figure out a complicated person like Michael, who had an even more complicated life. The facts and reality are what matter most. Unfortunately, we believers don't have access to the facts we need, and probably never will.
I don't know if Michael is coming back or not, and I'm not going to spend any time trying to predict whether or not he's coming back. However, I truly hope he does because I don't believe he's dead and I also think life will eventually be much better for him if he returns (really, I do).
But if he doesn't return, that won't necessarily change my opinion about him still being with us. Of course, if I had known him personally before June 25, I might be singing an entirely different tune. But I didn't. So, all I can do is wait, see what happens, and keep my fingers crossed that we see him again someday when the world is prepared to be kinder to him. And I do still think that's a possibility.
God knows i wish with all my heart he returns, but like so many already mentioned, that would mean hell breaking loose fo him, his children, his family and friends.
Neither do I want to make hollow predictions, I'm just trying to find a peace of mind... In the last few months I can't sleep, I can't think of anything else but this and it's devastating. I cannot even cry anymore and, oh boy, i really want to sometimes. I don't regret anything though, I indeed got to know a man i never knew before - beautiful and unique. And that will stay with me forever. But I'm just horrified to be forever stuck in 'Dead or alive?' rollercoaster <!-- s
badkolo:
OMG, your avatar scared the cra* out of me! <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
My point is that if you didn't know Michael personally, you can't possibly know for certain what he would do. Therefore, speculating about a comeback is probably not the best use of your time. But if you believe he won't return, then that's what you believe, and nobody can prove that you're wrong because it's how *you* feel.
And I agree about badkolo's avatar. Freaks me out every single time. But it is quite distinctive.
Thank you so much for writing this, because you put my own thoughts into words. I just want to take your post, copy it, and paste it to my monitor. I really and truly feel for people who think it is time to let go, and who think that Michael is either dead or he will never return. I can feel their pain. I would go there too, but it doesn't feel right, for me. I feel so good about everything, really everything, after seeing the movie. I do think the world is already prepared to be kinder to him, and I do think life will be much better for him if he does return. Like you, I am keeping my fingers crossed that we see him again some day. I don't believe Michael said goodbye. I don't know exactly what he was getting at at the O2 announcement, but I hope I find out.
Absolutely agree, but sadly enough whenever we try to explain the reason for the hoax it would all come down to speculation. Maybe it's more productive to focuse on raw facts and inconsistencies, but at the moment it feels like we're going in circles with nothing new to bust us forward. That is why everyday i keep re-reading those facts to support my belief.
I never had a chance to meet him either, all i have is his music, his words and my own heart to love him as hard as i can. It's not enough to understand him, but it's all i got. And it is my heart that tells me he's alive louder than any clue.
Your comment relates to what I was talking about re: the world treating Michael better if/when he returns. With each passing day, more and more people are coming to realize how much he was wronged, how kind and talented he was, and why he did certain things the way he did.
There will always be haters no matter what, even if Michael had never had vitiligo or suffered from the bogus child-molestation allegations or been perceived as "eccentric" (I personally think he's just a very unique person who marches to the beat of his own drummer, like many other creative types, including myself).
However, if Michael's death was faked for a good reason that was out of his control, I think his substantially larger army of supporters will help make the situation less difficult if he returns. And who can say that returning means he'll be back in the limelight?
Maybe the media and fans will eventually leave him (more or less) alone after this ordeal, depending on the circumstances of June 25. Or he could always leave the United States, just like he did before, and live a relatively quiet life in a place that gives him his space, such as Ireland, which he reportedly loves. I'll continue to hope for a positive outcome like one of these scenarios, where Michael can live freely, openly, happily, and with the respect he deserves.
All we hear is people insisting how awful it would be if he came back, and I really, truly don't view it that way. I see the nastiness and negativity towards Michael steadily decreasing in many places, while the support and love and number of fans just keeps growing and growing. It's been an amazing and very moving thing to witness, and I hope Michael is somewhere witnessing and enjoying it, too.
We'll know when those details are revealed, if ever, and in the meantime, I won't waste any effort going in circles about something I don't have sufficient resources to figure out. I hope you at least hold on to your belief that Michael is alive, even if you are convinced he won't return. As I've said, it's your right to believe that if that's how you really feel. Things may be different tomorrow too.
The time would have to be right, though. If his death was faked to prevent imminent danger, sorting out that situation comes first, and it would obviously take a lot of time because of the agencies and serious issues involved. All we can do is be patient and, if it floats your boat, investigate the hoax.
Now I'm done taking over tinker_bell's post. Apologies for intruding, tinker_bell, but this is a great thread. Thanks to everyone for sharing your thoughts.
I'm part of the ones who believe that if he comes backs, it wouldn't be that bad for him.
Of course there would be some haters, of course there would be tabloids that would enjoy trash him again (even when he's "dead" to the world they keep on doing it). You can do all the incredible,thoughful, and kind things you want to, they will always find a way to trash you, whatever you do. But there would be so many more people on his side... supporting him... I hope that Michael feels it too.
I think the same like you do, you are absolutely right with this! Of course ALL of us wishes that he will return, but i think he also deserves to rest - if this is his choice...
The older I become, the more I realize I do not know anything about anything, even the person living in my own skin, so, I'm just hiding and watching to see if anything good CAN come out of this. I'm just sharing, to kind of use you all for a sounding board---not to scare you or encourage you to get your hopes way up there, as I would rather do, if I have any good thoughts at all...But, the only reason someone would do this kind of honorary thanking persons from a 40 year run, is if there won't BE any other chance to be able to do it. This means, to my sorry frame of mind today, that MJ gave up thinking of doing ANY more films, OR ANY thing else, for that matter...which just tells SO much. <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> Michael Jackson deciding he was finished creating, even from a mentoring kind of effort, is WAY TOO strange for me to even touch in my head without feeling really <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( --> <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> really sick.
Boy, I'm finding I REALLY have to guard my mind these days, as NO word of explanation from him for almost six months is having a certain kind <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> of wear and tear on my emotions, and every day, online some new loser has some new warped <!-- s:x -->:x<!-- s:x --> theory about his possible motives and once I've read it, <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> it's too late! A woman last week, probably a former addict herself, as she was very knowledgeable --about addictions-- said that someone so fascinated with innocence would necessarily go nuts and get really bent as his own children grew out of physical childhood and into adolescence, and snowballing adulthood---something this type of guy would be so unable to handle, that he would CHOOSE to separate himself from it, so he never has to see it. I took offense <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> and filed her words under "Crap", until I decided to comfort myself and soak up some of MJ's own heart sounds from Dancing the Dream, TODAY. I realize it is poetry, and he wrote some of it in his 20's and 30's, but I don't see <!-- s
It's just ALWAYS going to be too soon for us, SORRY. On second thoughts (alot of them), I on and off, and on and off, feel very immature and selfish,for even wishing him back, but, HE did this--HE whipped everyone into a following by some purposeful magic---No one can expect even the MOST mature and selfless person who appreciated ANYthing about HIM, to just say, "Oh..OK, then--BYE!" <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> SSSSSHHEEESH. And I don't think he means to ask us to; he'd be a complete pig--and someone undeserving of our devotion if he was totally insensitive to the fact that some people (who have said they are) are taking his death really hard--- He's not doing that. He would have to be the Devil, looking that good and speaking so sweetly all these years, only to do that, eh? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> NAW.
I would never begrudge a desperate person his grasp for freedom. I GET it. Sorry to be a downer. I don't know how to stop worrying about someone who NEVER "touches base with me". It's not his fault--it is mine. I joined up with this hayride, when I KNOW better! The unknown is the scariest rollercoaster ride of ALL. Always.
Anyway, I won't end on the downside, after all! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> I just remembered that the very last thing MJ EVER said or did, one of my MOST favorite things EVER, is, when, after THIS IS IT was all over and the LOGO feet danced out in the sparkling light, he(from some other place) starts laughing <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s
I don't know if he left by choice or by force but I do feel just like you that he knew there would be no 0-2 concerts performed to a live audience. I believe he knew something was coming down the pike and he would have to get away. What that was, I don't know. have my theories, but I'll leave them unsaid at this time. Thanks for your post. He is unbreakable. I hope he is at least at peace where ever the journey has taken him. He so deserves to be.
and having the sweetest Christmas with his kids... I think one of the bodyguards mentioned he had someone special in his life in the last year or so. This could be another bogus story, but who knows <!-- s
KO said they had let the fans choose the songs online, it's amaing people didn't vote for Invincible, it's just perfection! <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
Keep an eye out. If they send them to Ascention Island, I would say, he told us so <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->