TIAI Update #5c: DO you Think 4 your Self?

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edited May 2010 in TIAI
TIAI Update #5c: DO you Think 4 your Self?


5-6. The greatest Show on earth!

Many have referred to this hoax as “the greatest show on earth”. This is because MJ had a song by this name, on the album “Ben” {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_(album)}. Also, this was a slogan used by Barnum & Bailey Circus {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringling_Bros._and_Barnum_%26_Bailey_Circus}. And many already know that this “greatest show on earth” circus was arriving at Staples, during the MJ memorial on 7-7-09 {http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/4n3aKeaHZMh/Circus+Elephants+Arrive+Staples+Center+Hours/lrNekFroB6g; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=313;
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=315}.

It is quite obvious that TMZ is playing a big part in this show—not only because they were first to announce the “death”, and also first on many other MJ news—but also because they are not afraid to give attention to the hoax (unlike the rest of the bigger media channels, especially in the USA). So Update #5c here is going to be primarily about TMZ’s role in the greatest show on earth.

Although there have been several hoax related articles on TMZ, discussed in previous updates: the latest and greatest one was the walking casket, with the “RIP” or “Still alive” poll (now at 97% alive!). “… no one saw any evidence that the casket left the building [Staples]. It fueled a grassy knoll-type theory that Jackson’s body wasn’t really inside the casket and maybe he was still alive. Finally, our spies have come clean.” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/10/michael-jackson-casket-memorial-burial-staples-center/}

Why did TMZ wait nine months to post this? Do you really think that their “spies” kept this secret for nine months? And why would the “spies” keep it secret for so long? And if it was really such a grand secret, why did they ever “come clean”?? Doesn’t it make much more sense that TMZ is playing their part in the greatest show on earth—and now that we are in the return process, it’s time to agitate the public about the hoax?

Also, it’s extremely interesting that TMZ chose the “grassy knoll” as an example of the MJ hoax theory: because the managing editor for TMZ, Harvey Levin, firmly believes that the grassy knoll theory is a TRUE theory! “And I really believe there was a gunman in the grassy knoll.” {TMZ Live, 1-28-2010, part 2, 0:37; http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/?mediaKey=0e04ee09-56b7-4ed0-b6ad-28a99781b4ba&isShareURL=true}

Michael Jackson also believes that the grassy knoll theory is true: “JFK exposed the CIA. TRUTH be told the grassy knoll” {http://www.lyrics007.com/Michael%20Jackson%20Lyrics/Tabloid%20Junkie%20Lyrics.html; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabloid_Junkie}. So I guess this means that MJ himself believes that the hoax theory is a true (grassy knoll) theory!!! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

Harvey also revealed something interesting, when talking about Murray at Forest Lawn: “He [Murray] was not setting out to kill Michael Jackson at all. ... He didn’t intend to kill Michael Jackson.” {TMZ Live, 2-9-2010, 2:53; http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/?mediaKey=87528285-1804-40c5-af23-fa22a0910b93&isShareURL=true} Compare that statement with this article from TMZ, posted a few days earlier, and on the same subject of Murray visiting FL: “Murray showed up at Forest Lawn Memorial Park on Wednesday afternoon to visit the tomb of the man he may or may not have accidentally killed.” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/06/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-tomb-forest-lawn-photos/}

The last phrase there, “may not have accidentally killed”, does not mean intentionally killed; we know this because Harvey said Murray “didn’t intend to kill” MJ. So the other meaning is that Murray “may not have ... killed” MJ at all. As far as whether MJ killed himself, Harvey doesn’t believe that idea, either {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MqBbH0GxGE}. So the only option left: Murray may not have accidentally killed MJ, because maybe MJ is not dead!

Notice also the similar statement in this TMZ post, just a few days later: “... he [Murray] may or may not have been responsible for the death of Michael Jackson …” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/14/dr-conrad-murray-carnival-michael-jackson-photos-picture}

But let’s get back to the walking casket article and hoax poll: on 4-12, TMZ Live discussed the poll. Harvey said that he loved the poll results (at the time it was 55% “Still alive”). Even more interesting was Jason, the other lawyer sitting beside Harvey; he responded to the poll by saying “Absolutely, unquestionably alive.” {Part 1, 1:05; http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/?mediaKey=1dae706d-e702-4ae1-8632-c5517fbef207&isShareURL=true}

However, a few days later, when the poll had reached 86% alive—Mike said quite the opposite: “No. He’s 100% not alive. He’s 100% not alive.” {TMZ Live 4-19-2010, Part 2, 3:30; http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/?mediaKey=aa51a242-8d16-4c8b-be85-3f36909e99d3&isShareURL=true}

So which do we believe: “Absolutely, unquestionably alive”, or “100% not alive”? And the answer is—believe it or not—NEITHER! Harvey didn’t make either of these statements; and even if he did, we can’t accept everything Harvey says unquestionably. Remember the TMZ disclaimer {http://www.tmz.com/terms/#warranties}?

Actually, for months TMZ has been giving out mixed signals regarding MJ: sometimes that he is dead (such as their report on June 25, and many other items since then); and sometimes that maybe he is alive. So we should not make TMZ the main reason for believing in the hoax; instead, we should go primarily by clues from MJ and the family (see 5-10).

Nevertheless, there is value in watching TMZ: we do have clear evidence of the hoax from the Jacksons, etc, and we know that TMZ has been first on many MJ news items. So by taking what we know from other investigation, and also by filtering through TMZ mixed signals to connect the dots: we just might be able to get a pretty good view of The greatest Show on earth!

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5-7. Michael Jackson Killed Himself?

As most of you know by now, all of the TIAI updates have had significant dates incorporated into the update number and final section (1-18, 2-5, 3-9, 4-44, 5-12, 6-?, etc). April 4 (4-4) was both Easter and the MLK assassination anniversary; and the next day (4-5) was a Murray court day. However, there are not 44 days in the month of April, so what was the 4-44 about (in Update #4)? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9597#p161093}

On March 9, Update #4a was posted, and the outline had 44 sections (4-44); and that last section was titled: “Do You Still Need Even More Evidence???????-??” Nearly a month later, on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444), TMZ posted a major article in the MJ case: “Dr. Murray’s Defense - Jackson Killed Himself” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/05/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-propofol-death-cause-iv-addict-overdose-heart-legal-defense/}. This was not just another of the countless MJ articles that TMZ puts out; instead, this was a huge breaking story—which reverberated across the media, and also generated a ten-page thread in this forum, as well as much discussion in other forums, etc {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=8200}.

As TMZ frequently does, the time of posting this article was changed later (in order to keep it on the top of the home page, in this case for more than a day). However, you can easily see that the original post time was 4-4 at 4:00 AM in this thread: {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=8199}.

How many TMZ articles are posted exactly on the hour, maybe one in five or ten? And there are eleven other hours, so it could’ve been posted exactly on the hour—and yet a different hour, not 4:00. In either case: if it was a different hour (such as 6:00), or if it was not posted on an exact hour (such as 4:57), then we would not have the nice 4-4 at 4:00 (444). And notice that 444 is another one of those numbers which are multiples of 111 (see 5-3, above).

Furthermore, TIAI redirected to the TMZ home page, less than an hour before this 444 article was posted {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=8199}. TIAI had previously redirected to specific TMZ articles; but this was the very first (and only) time that TIAI redirected to the TMZ home page {see TIAI history in lilwendy’s blog, http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/05/13/www-thisisalsoit-com-to-date/}.

What is the likelihood that this was all just coincidence? And if it’s easy to see that this was intentional (not coincidence): then why can’t we understand that the rest of the 111-based numerology is intentional and planned (333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998)? We can be 111% certain that this was all planned, not coincidence (see 5-9, below). Realistically speaking, there is no question whether it was planned; the only real question is who was behind the plan: MJ himself, or others (see 5-10, below)?

Actually, it is statistically far more likely that a coincidence occurred with the Update 4-44, and the TMZ 4-4 4:00 article (& TIAI redirect to TMZ, just before that article was posted). Therefore, if you can’t imagine that this 444 was just coincidence, then you shouldn’t even consider the possibility that all the 111-based hoax numerology is merely random chance.

By the way: even before that TMZ article on 4-4 4:00 (and far more after it), many were thinking that TIAI/TS works for TMZ—and perhaps is Harvey Levin himself. However, I am not Harvey, nor am I any other staff or employee at TMZ.

Back to the TMZ article itself, though: “Dr. Murray’s Defense - Jackson Killed Himself”. Is this true? Did MJ really kill himself (accidentally) with Propofol? Do you really beLIEve that story? If the whole article is true, then MJ is actually dead and there is no hoax. But if you still think that MJ is alive, then why do you believe even one single word of the article?

What we can understand from the article, is that MJ planned his own (fake) “death”; and several people did understand “killed himself” in this sense {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=8200}. But we don’t come to this conclusion primarily because of this TMZ article, or any other TMZ article for that matter; instead, we arrive at this conclusion primarily from the family—and most of all from MJ himself (Gilda, numerology timing, etc). Then, and only then, can we begin to understand what is real and what is not real in TMZ articles; we can see the hoax clues, and connect the dots.

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5-8. Zone for MJ Info

Another TMZ article, just a few days before, was titled: “Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/30/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-heart-ekg-paramedics-ucla-medical-center-wrongful-death/}. Here again, if you accept the whole story, then forget the hoax; because the whole story is discussing when MJ died (at home, or UCLA)—it’s not discussing if MJ died.

Or you can connect the dots, and recognize that “Michael was alive” is the main clue—and much of the rest is unnamed or unverified “sources”. Anything that is not readily verifiable, and especially anything that is unnamed “sources”, should go straight in the garbage.

This is part of what Michael is trying to teach us. We are not to blindly trust tabloid media—or even mainstream media. Yet, just like TMZ, at times there is reliable and valuable information in the media.

For example, video interviews; it is very easy to fabricate false information in writing, but it is much harder to fabricate a video interview with someone. And even if someone did create a fake video interview (using a double, or a computer-generated image, etc): the real person would probably hear about it, and deny that it was really him.

And there are other methods to help establish what information is reliable. Twitter has a system of verifying celebrities; so a tweet from a verified account is most likely a reliable source. The Twitter for ALLJACK5ONS was not verified (it’s a group account); but we know it is reliable, because other verified accounts in the family have confirmed it.

Another type of fairly reliable information, is when the media (accidentally) says things which actually support the conspiracy view of things. For example, when local media initially reported bombs found in the Murrah Federal building on April 19, 1995, and then later the mainstream media said that there were no other bombs—we know that both stories are not reliable {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B4vbO67Bp4}.

Common sense tells us that the initial and local reports are reliable; but then the big guys came in and controlled the mass media, and overrode those initial reliable reports. This happened also with the JFK junior assassination, and many other cases such as 911, etc {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1930&p=27572}.

The corrupt media expects us to believe that professionals found additional bombs in the Murrah building, got equipment and experts to deactivate these bombs, and then later they realized that there were no bombs in the building! Supposedly these professionals had been unable to tell the difference between a bomb and a grilled cheese sandwich—and they didn’t even catch their mistake, until they were trying to deactivate the sandwiches!!! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> Sorry, but I think that this story is the cheesy one; and the first reports from the local media are far more reliable.

And at this point, I should mention that as far as possible: TIAI Revealed, and the Updates, have used the above mentioned and similar types of reliable sources for information. So don’t accept something just because TIAI says it; but on the other hand, don’t fail to distinguish between reliable and unreliable sources and documentation. Rejecting reliable information isn’t much if any better (maybe worse) than accepting unreliable information. Some people believe everything (gullible), others believe nothing (stubborn); if we want the truth, we must find a balance between those extremes.

Back to TMZ: they are media, and they are playing both the bad guy (tabloid and media lies), and also the good guy (hoax hints). This is a very difficult dual role to be in, since you get attacked from all sides. Non-believers don’t like TMZ, because of the hoax-related articles and clues, etc (like the walking casket, read the comments under that TMZ article); and many hoax believers don’t like TMZ, because they say things that are not true—or perhaps even disrespectful.

But the use of “Jacko”, etc, is actually a real good indication that TMZ is not merely playing around with hoax believers, to get more hits on their website. If that were really the case (and they were not playing the part of bad media): then wouldn’t they avoid all such statements, so that none of the hoaxers would be against TMZ? If hoaxers understood more clearly the roles of TMZ, and also how to distinguish between reliable and unreliable information in the media (how to connect the dots), then they might not be quite so hard on TMZ.

Furthermore, TMZ is very clearly supporting MJ’s message—because they are not condemning Murray as guilty before the trial based on hearsay, unnamed sources, and popular public opinion! Once again, TMZ said: “... he [Murray] may or may not have been responsible [guilty] for the death of Michael Jackson …” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/14/dr-conrad-murray-carnival-michael-jackson-photos-picture}. If this doesn’t convince you that TMZ is not actually against MJ and his message, then what would convince you?

And even if you still think that TMZ is merely out to get more hits from hoaxers: you can’t deny the fact that they have a lot of information about MJ, and frequently they are the first to publish it {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?keywords=full+recap&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=titleonly&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=a&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search}. Where are they getting this information? How do they know so much in the MJ and Murray case? Who is feeding them, if not one or more in the Jackson family—at least in some cases {http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=c2a11393-45d9-4722-af9c-54b27617a799&isShareURL=true}?

Whoever it is, why don’t the Jacksons try to stop the leak of information? Or why don’t they speak out against TMZ’s reports, especially the hoax related things on TMZ? If MJ were really dead, then the walking casket is indeed highly disrespectful to MJ and the whole family. So why haven’t all of the Jacksons come forward (or at least one of the family) to protest TMZ, the walking casket, and the still alive poll, etc—just like Jermaine and La Toya did with the gay garbage {http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/03/jermaine-jackson-michael-jackson-mj-jackson-family-gay-homosexual-dr-arnie-klein-jason-pfeiffer-accusations-video/; http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/09/la-toya-jackson-arnold-klein-jason-pfeiffer-michael-jackson-video/}?

TIAI Update #5d is the final part. {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994}
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Comments

  • MJJSmileMJJSmile Posts: 59
    Wow thank you TS, I luv ya <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
    I go to read it.
    L.O.V.E. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->


    OK ... done. TS you're great as always, I like when you say " to distinguish between reliable and unreliable sources " <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    On a SUNday, I thought we would see you back today TS! Thanks again for this, let's hope people will start to realize what TMZ's role in this is. I mean come on, you gotta love Uncle Harve!

    Looking forward to update #5d.

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

  • Thank You TS ! SUN is finally shining here... <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
    Love you and Love Harve !

    <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
  • RKRK Posts: 3,019
    Thanks TS,
    Loved the line....It's time to agitate the public about the hoax.
    These are interesting days.
  • KINGdom52KINGdom52 Posts: 315
    Thank you TS !

    You are so right !
    If someone is not already convinced that TMZ is working for us, I don't know what can convince him. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->

    Am I wrong or this is the first time I see you TS, to have so much fun with your <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> !

    Thanks again ! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

  • Thanks a lot for "spoon feeding" in this update TS! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

    If TMZ's role in this hoax isn't clear to everyone now, then it never will be... Keep watching TMZ...love ya Harve!

    Wishing you a splendid SUNday TS!
  • RKRK Posts: 3,019
    Yes, thankyou for spoon feeding me TS. And Mo I do believe you are poking fun at me <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
  • Doctor DeathDoctor Death Posts: 484
    @ TS

    My thoughts exactly. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
  • kel70kel70 Posts: 182
    thank you T.S for explaining...its making alot of sense to me now... and probably others who have a foggy brain like me <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> God Bless You <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
  • SarahliSarahli Posts: 4,265
    TMZ dual role is crystal clear. I wonder who writes the articles, who chooses the words, the ideas... <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
    Thank you for this brilliant update TS.
    Thank you Harvey and all the people involved. We keep watching TMZ with hoax filters on.
    God bless you.
  • For example, video interviews; it is very easy to fabricate false information in writing, but it is much harder to fabricate a video interview with someone. And even if someone did create a fake video interview (using a double, or a computer-generated image, etc): the real person would probably hear about it, and deny that it was really him.

    Oh, you mean like Dave Dave on Larry King Live...? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
  • sun_flower.gif Happy SUNday!
    Thank you TS!
  • paula-cpaula-c Posts: 7,221
    Thanks TS, learn to read what TMZ reports, take the tracks and disposing of garbage, such as the issue of "gay trash", <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> it is important to invent the news by writing and asking Mo on the images on computers, .. Dave Dave (¿murray?) <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> and something I've always wondered, the Jackson family that never complains about things he writes TMZ? .. I thought I was going to spend a boring Sunday <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • youngatheartyoungatheart Posts: 261
    Thank you so much for such a detailed update
    Looking forward to 5d.
  • StargazerMJ11StargazerMJ11 Posts: 137
    Thanyou TS - keep bringing on the sunshine
    Lots of love
    xxx
  • mjaliveomgmjaliveomg Posts: 178
    16 , 2010, 2:04
    2+4 = 6
    2+1 = 3
    1+6 = 7
    6 +3 + 7 = 16 = 1+6 = 7 <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • jm1lvmjjm1lvmj Posts: 81
    Thank you TS. We are on the same page. I'm not too proud to be spoon fed.:} One love.
  • PureLovePureLove Posts: 5,891
    OMG OMG I'm so excited. I will start reading now. Thank you TS. Sending some SUN and L.O.V.E to you. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->

    m8g2hh.jpg
  • suomursusuomursu Posts: 111
    Thank you TS! Happy SUNday to you and all the Jacksons!
    I'm looking forward to #5d <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
    And I can't wait the day all of this is exposed... who you really are and all the other questions answered.
  • MJsFan4EverMJsFan4Ever Posts: 334
    WOW thank you so much TS <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
    Who doesn't love Uncle Harvey? <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

    HAPPY SUNday! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY JANET! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
  • sandythymesandythyme Posts: 365
    Hi everyone:

    I hope this isn't a double post but...Please reference <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabloid_Junkie<!-- m -->, mentioned in TS latest post. Go to Tabloid Junkie scroll down to Composition, the last line reads #17 the songs tempo is moderate and it's metronome is 111 beats per minute. That number just keeps popping up. Take care!
  • simalvessimalves Posts: 730
    Thank you TS and thank you for hinting that you were part of the family.

    Can you pls pls explain the significance of the sunflowers too. Are we supposed to follow that trail?
  • MJalive999MJalive999 Posts: 316
    here comes the sun.
    The smiles returning to the faces <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

    Thank You TS!
  • MJFAN7MJFAN7 Posts: 3,063
    smiley32.gif GREAT TS!!!!!! THANKS! love0033.gif

    Happy SUNday <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
  • paula-cpaula-c Posts: 7,221
    sandythyme, I had not read it, thanks <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
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