good to hear some sense....I think Americans are still struggling with homophobia......if you wish to see Michael Jackson as non-gay, for somr reason, I say good for you....now we can talk....The investigation agency I worked for, had "tailed" Mr. Jackson, My Boss found it very funny that Mr. Jackson would not get out of the car, when His driver / bodyguard, would drive Mr. Jackson around the Las Vegas "fruit Loop"....I know...this is hard for MJ fans, but why?..this man had a right to His life......I think MJ would still be alive today, if the public had been more kind....oh by the way,,I'am not an english teacher or a writer...but I'am giving you a chance to grow-up, and I want nothing..[I might feel a little guilty] look when this comes out, and it will...you will be ahead of the news.
Please clarify. I may have misunderstood your statement.
Are you telling us that MJ rode in the car through the gay section of Las Vegas for the purpose of finding gay men? You did say that your agency followed MJ and his driver, right?
good to hear some sense....I think Americans are still struggling with homophobia......if you wish to see Michael Jackson as non-gay, for somr reason, I say good for you....now we can talk....The investigation agency I worked for, had "tailed" Mr. Jackson, My Boss found it very funny that Mr. Jackson would not get out of the car, when His driver / bodyguard, would drive Mr. Jackson around the Las Vegas "fruit Loop"....I know...this is hard for MJ fans, but why?..this man had a right to His life......I think MJ would still be alive today, if the public had been more kind....oh by the way,,I'am not an english teacher or a writer...but I'am giving you a chance to grow-up, and I want nothing..[I might feel a little guilty] look when this comes out, and it will...you will be ahead of the news.
No I'am not just telling you that Michael was driven around the gay section of Las Vegas, He was driven around the gay section of Las Vegas, fact!.....so now, here is were you must attack me for giving information from my work place?...Is this what you are going to do?....because if it is the same old, homophobic / attack the messenger thing....You can just say, ya' thats what I'am going to do.
good to hear some sense....I think Americans are still struggling with homophobia......if you wish to see Michael Jackson as non-gay, for somr reason, I say good for you....now we can talk....The investigation agency I worked for, had "tailed" Mr. Jackson, My Boss found it very funny that Mr. Jackson would not get out of the car, when His driver / bodyguard, would drive Mr. Jackson around the Las Vegas "fruit Loop"....I know...this is hard for MJ fans, but why?..this man had a right to His life......I think MJ would still be alive today, if the public had been more kind....oh by the way,,I'am not an english teacher or a writer...but I'am giving you a chance to grow-up, and I want nothing..[I might feel a little guilty] look when this comes out, and it will...you will be ahead of the news.
We are already 8,5 months ahead of the news Brian <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Again, I wouldn't care if he was, but I really don't think he is gay. Of course that is only from what I have seen in his public appearances, but I can assure you I have a huge gay-detector and he doesn't have that vibe at all, not even when he is wearing lashes 2 times as long as mine.
Besides that, I think certain people wanted to make the public believe he was gay, to discredit him. Something I as a Dutchie don't understand, but in the States it is still an issue if you are gay.
So let's assume you followed that car, how do you know it was him in that car? That is my question to you. If it was your boss's goal to discredit Mike, who says he wouldn't make you think it was him? And wasn't that car blinded? If he didn't come out, how do you know he was even in there?
If there is something I learned these past months, is that nothing is what it seems when it comes to Michael Jackson.
Just let me tell you that whatever you might have seen, it could have been a big illusion, in whatever way.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
There was no attack toward you within the question. Remember how I started the post with asking for clarification since I may have misunderstood. You brought up a new and, as you can imagine, hot topic. If someone suggests that they know something firsthand or through reliable sources then they will be questioned to determine their credibilty. That's not attacking, That is good investigative work on the part of the person asking the questions. As a P.I. , you should fully understand that method.
Now... back to the original question. Are you telling us that MJ was driven around the gay section of Las Vegas for the purpose of looking for gay men? I ask because I can go to gay bars or gay night clubs to hang out with gay friends but I am not gay. Just because someone is seen in a gay area doesn't automatically mean that they are either. If you have insider knowledge, my question was simply asked to get clarification and a better understanding of what you were communicating within your post. Nothing more than that.
I am American however I am not homophobic. I could actually care less who's loving who.
No I'am not just telling you that Michael was driven around the gay section of Las Vegas, He was driven around the gay section of Las Vegas, fact!.....so now, here is were you must attack me for giving information from my work place?...Is this what you are going to do?....because if it is the same old, homophobic / attack the messenger thing....You can just say, ya' thats what I'am going to do.
The owner of the agency had someone in the hotel section of the Mirage Casino, that would call whenever Mr. Jackson would leave the hotel at night, this type of thing is a standard operation. [no big deal] The agency would often have a person waiting near a known exit, just sitting in their car. [we used radios, not cell phones] I put in many hours doing just that, when I was an apprentice. [but not in 1993, I had moved beyond this work]....this will come out, a Jackson family representative has replied, in an email sent to me, that they know most of this already.....The only reason it is not, "out yet", is because it says too much about Michael Jackson being gay, but His gay life style [or bi?] will be part of the murder investigation being carried out by the family.....Don't believe me?...OK, just wait and see.
Sorry for being "gun shy", I have been attacked so many times, just for telling the truth...It even made my Mom made when I told Her, back in 1993. [she liked MJ]...nice forum.
We know that doubles were used over a number of years. How can you be sure it was Michael Jackson being driven around the gay section of Las Vegas, and not one of his doubles..?
The owner of the agency had someone in the hotel section of the Mirage Casino, that would call whenever Mr. Jackson would leave the hotel at night, this type of thing is a standard operation. [no big deal] The agency would often have a person waiting near a known exit, just sitting in their car. [we used radios, not cell phones] I put in many hours doing just that, when I was an apprentice. [but not in 1993, I had moved beyond this work]....this will come out, a Jackson family representative has replied, in an email sent to me, that they know most of this already.....The only reason it is not, "out yet", is because it says too much about Michael Jackson being gay, but His gay life style [or bi?] will be part of the murder investigation being carried out by the family.....Don't believe me?...OK, just wait and see.
I am not saying I don't believe you, I am saying that nothing is as it seems. I still didn't see an answer as to how you know for sure it was him.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Thanks for your reply and the clarification. Whether I believe or not is really unimportant.
BTW- I don't go around attacking people when having a conversation with them. We can agree, disagree or agree-to-disagree and then move on. I'm way too laid back to get that riled up over things. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
The owner of the agency had someone in the hotel section of the Mirage Casino, that would call whenever Mr. Jackson would leave the hotel at night, this type of thing is a standard operation. [no big deal] The agency would often have a person waiting near a known exit, just sitting in their car. [we used radios, not cell phones] I put in many hours doing just that, when I was an apprentice. [but not in 1993, I had moved beyond this work]....this will come out, a Jackson family representative has replied, in an email sent to me, that they know most of this already.....The only reason it is not, "out yet", is because it says too much about Michael Jackson being gay, but His gay life style [or bi?] will be part of the murder investigation being carried out by the family.....Don't believe me?...OK, just wait and see.
Yes that is possible....He would use the VIP elavator...but it still is possible...but why would He do that?....but I see your point.
Maybe HE didn't do it, but those who planned the original plan sent out someone else to fool you. You get us? It is impossible to know for a fact what happened, simply because we can't even say for sure it was him.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
brian PI, yes, relax, this is the hour of the European majority on the forum <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> and we have seen VERY much already - thick skinned and hard-headed. We've come a long way. But we are nice folks <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> (usually) LOL
I just thought about that....Michael was stying in the "Bungalows" on most {but not all] of His Mirage visits....so He would have left by the rear or side exits?.....My old Boss did not go into the details of this, so I'am not sure......In 1993 I worked most of the time in the film industry. google IMDB, and then search my name, ****, for some of my work history....MJfiles has a story about this, and it is on several other sites.
Sorry I didn't know that names were not to be used on this forum....I use my real name most of the time..... like all people in film production, I can't hide that easy.....I did see the English Michael Jackson Nevi, I think that is the name, and he said he was a decoy for Mr. Jackson, many times....This must be part of this sites topics.
Sorry I didn't know that names were not to be used on this forum....I use my real name most of the time..... like all people in film production, I can't hide that easy.....I did see the English Michael Jackson Nevi, I think that is the name, and he said he was a decoy for Mr. Jackson, many times....This must be part of this sites topics.
No, we're not talking about impersonators, but real doubles. Navi is not similar enough by far to fool people.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
I just read the inquiry...Details?....about the statements made by my old Boss, this would tell the most.....The Boss thought the whole thing was very funny, but he was not anti-gay. He liked the places that Mj would go to, like the "Glass Pool" a fashion Icon from the 60tys, and drive thru's. plus places to just sit and look at the lights.....this sort of thing is not unusual for Celebs visitng Las Vegas, but the main reason Michael was at the Mirage Casino in 1992 , was to work with Sigfried and Roy......The big thing about what happened, [my boss, having MJ tailed] was the fact the the Boss was very close friends with one of the music Execs. that wanted control of the ATV Beatles catalog [but I'am not doing names, not my problem, and I don't want it to be]...I thought the family would like some more information, and they might, I have had some inquiries.....If Mr. Jackson was using decoys for His Las Vegas trips, it would make more sense to use them so He could go to Las Vegas, without being hounded....I hope this helps in Your efforts.
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Are you telling us that MJ rode in the car through the gay section of Las Vegas for the purpose of finding gay men? You did say that your agency followed MJ and his driver, right?
We are already 8,5 months ahead of the news Brian <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Again, I wouldn't care if he was, but I really don't think he is gay. Of course that is only from what I have seen in his public appearances, but I can assure you I have a huge gay-detector and he doesn't have that vibe at all, not even when he is wearing lashes 2 times as long as mine.
Besides that, I think certain people wanted to make the public believe he was gay, to discredit him. Something I as a Dutchie don't understand, but in the States it is still an issue if you are gay.
So let's assume you followed that car, how do you know it was him in that car? That is my question to you. If it was your boss's goal to discredit Mike, who says he wouldn't make you think it was him? And wasn't that car blinded? If he didn't come out, how do you know he was even in there?
If there is something I learned these past months, is that nothing is what it seems when it comes to Michael Jackson.
Just let me tell you that whatever you might have seen, it could have been a big illusion, in whatever way.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Now... back to the original question. Are you telling us that MJ was driven around the gay section of Las Vegas for the purpose of looking for gay men? I ask because I can go to gay bars or gay night clubs to hang out with gay friends but I am not gay. Just because someone is seen in a gay area doesn't automatically mean that they are either. If you have insider knowledge, my question was simply asked to get clarification and a better understanding of what you were communicating within your post. Nothing more than that.
I am American however I am not homophobic. I could actually care less who's loving who.
I am not saying I don't believe you, I am saying that nothing is as it seems. I still didn't see an answer as to how you know for sure it was him.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."BTW- I don't go around attacking people when having a conversation with them. We can agree, disagree or agree-to-disagree and then move on. I'm way too laid back to get that riled up over things. <!-- s
Maybe HE didn't do it, but those who planned the original plan sent out someone else to fool you. You get us? It is impossible to know for a fact what happened, simply because we can't even say for sure it was him.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."No, we're not talking about impersonators, but real doubles. Navi is not similar enough by far to fool people.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."