Indeed,and on june 25 was "Carlo Rilley"on the memorial at Forrest Lawn,wearring the same red bracelet!SO I TELL TOU THAT MICHAEL WAS THERE TO SEE HOW MUTCH PEOPLE STILL CARE ABOUT HIM.But nowone believes my!Nobody expect somting like that and Michael can come out without fans that gets crazy.I FEEL I AM RIGHT ABOUT THIS!
Indeed,and on june 25 was "Carlo Rilley"on the memorial at Forrest Lawn,wearring the same red bracelet!SO I TELL TOU THAT MICHAEL WAS THERE TO SEE HOW MUTCH PEOPLE STILL CARE ABOUT HIM.But nowone believes my!Nobody expect somting like that and Michael can come out without fans that gets crazy.I FEEL I AM RIGHT ABOUT THIS!
Indeed,and on june 25 was "Carlo Rilley"on the memorial at Forrest Lawn,wearring the same red bracelet!SO I TELL TOU THAT MICHAEL WAS THERE TO SEE HOW MUTCH PEOPLE STILL CARE ABOUT HIM.But nowone believes my!Nobody expect somting like that and Michael can come out without fans that gets crazy.I FEEL I AM RIGHT ABOUT THIS!
As I have learnt now, Souza and Mo, for you he is kind of suspect. And some members seem to considerate Deepak Chopra as controversal person. Okaaaayyy, I wasn`t aware of that. For myself - and the people I know - he made some very spiritual and scientific enlightening statements on overall questions of life and (human) being (maybe that is the problem - enlightening = illuminati? At your request I restrain my opinion on that but I definitely hope you are not considering any connection here.... please, come on!).
Well, ... about attending the funeral. Do we know that LKL was really live that day? I mean, think of Dave Dave ... And weren`t there only invited guests, like those the family wanted around? Who were these people anyway? Besides a few we recognized there have been a lot of people nobody has ever seen before. Relatives?
Maybe the Chopras were just not invited to attend the - private (JW?) - funeral.
about the red bracelet that MJ wore all the time: Elizabeth Taylor gave the bracelet to him
"Taylor is a supporter of Kabbalah and member of the Kabbalah Centre. She encouraged long-time friend Michael Jackson to wear a red string as protection from the evil-eye during his 2005 trial for molestation, where he was eventually cleared of all charges."
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Excuse me please, but why make a conspiracy out of everything?
Deepak Copra is not creepy but a world wide acknowledged medical doctor (internist and endocrinologist), scientific (quantum physics) and spiritual (hinduism, veda and bhagavad gita) advisor and best selling author whose books gained enormous popularity and have been translated in more than 25 languages.
Here's something else that bothers me about Deepak Copra, world wide acknowledged medical doctor (internist and endocrinologist), scientific (quantum physics) and spiritual (hinduism, veda and bhagavad gita) advisor and best selling author whose books gained enormous popularity and have been translated in more than 25 languages.
How many times has Mike said people were poisoning him? Wouldn't Deepak Copra, the world wide acknowledged medical doctor etcetera, who according to his own words was such a good and close friend of Mike, have recognized the symptoms..? Something ain't right here...
THIS is what I mean <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> Chopra attached himself to MICHAEL JACKSON as if assigned to him, personally, <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> in order to appear as an associate or friend, but secretly, see TO it that MJ is under the influence of SOMEthing evil, 24/7!!! That SOMEthing, being...chemicals?, mind controlling meditations? or hypnosis??...
Who BETTER than a "respected MEDICAL DOCTOR"? <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P --> <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P --> <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
MY Bible says to BEWARE of individuals whom the entire world system LOVES. If one is popular with EVERYone, offending NO one?? THAT individual is a snake, a chameleon, telling everyone what their itching ears want to hear instead of any facts or truth which would actually be beneficial.
But the main documented transgression for now, is Chopra's unethical giving out of ANYONE'S personal health information---true or not---most likely NOT <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> We need to ask WHY <!-- s:twisted: -->:twisted:<!-- s:twisted: --> would someone who was loyal to MJ do THIS???????
if michael felt someone was poisoning him would it have nessesarily have had to mean chemically. could he have not meant emotionally and spirtually as well?
if michael felt someone was poisoning him would it have nessesarily have had to mean chemically. could he have not meant emotionally and spirtually as well?
ABSOLUTELY! Some of the most powerful poisons are TOXIC thoughts and reprogramming. And a spook has to follow up all the time to make sure the toxicity STICKS, and the duped one's own willpower does not WAKE him up! <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
how many of these spiritual advisors did the man go through ? they all seemed to bail or he rejected them at some point though.but as near as anyone has given any information he held fast to the bible.hmm
as far as the red braclet from liz he could wear it and the theology of it. what is that part in the bible i think it is where we get the expression when i rome do as the romans do or something. i guess it was paul talking about eating meat from a sacrifice and saying basicly that it was ok because the believers we set free from the law ect.sorry i'm not to good about knowing the number off verses ect.
how many of these spiritual advisors did the man go through ? they all seemed to bail or he rejected them at some point though.but as near as anyone has given any information he held fast to the bible.hmm
as far as the red braclet from liz he could wear it and the theology of it. what is that part in the bible i think it is where we get the expression when i rome do as the romans do or something. i guess it was paul talking about eating meat from a sacrifice and saying basicly that it was ok because the believers we set free from the law ect.sorry i'm not to good about knowing the number off verses ect.
the causes of this has something to do with his childhood , like the cuases r things like physical, sexual,and emotional abuse. and as we all know michael suffered from physical and emotional abuse as a child <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
how many of these spiritual advisors did the man go through ? they all seemed to bail or he rejected them at some point though.but as near as anyone has given any information he held fast to the bible.hmm
as far as the red braclet from liz he could wear it and the theology of it. what is that part in the bible i think it is where we get the expression when i rome do as the romans do or something. i guess it was paul talking about eating meat from a sacrifice and saying basicly that it was ok because the believers we set free from the law ect.sorry i'm not to good about knowing the number off verses ect.
Yes, The gist of the passage is not to offend someone who doesn't believe the same way you do. Specifically, even though all things were permitted to be eaten when sanctified(purified) by prayer (giving God thanks), the followers of Christ were cautioned not to eat either pork meats or meats used in pagan sacrifices in front of another brother in Christ who hadn't gotten that memo, yet. It was to prevent them from appearing to the younger brethren as if they were sinning boldly, and it was ok (because then, even though the younger ones did it too, THEY would have felt guilty, not realizing it actually WAS alright. A guilty, condemned conscience makes one hide from God. He wants us to fellowship with Him, not cower away from Him--especially over some misunderstanding over FOOD!) <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I can't imagine MJ falling for superstition, that any inanimate object is able to protect one from anything, <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> so it must have been explained to him so it made logical sense, OR he simply wore it to walk in love and not offend his friend, who gave it out of love. The greater offense would be to hurt someone's feelings, and be ungrateful for their love intent.
No object created by man has ANY supernatural power, even though some are convinced of it---but the lie surrounding those objects--objects to manipulate people and circumstances--opens a door and is forbidden in the bible---beCAUSE it "throws the game". It calls forth a rebellious spirit (Not an angel of God) to watch over the object like a sentinel. It's commonly called witchcraft, because its purpose is to do some OTHER person's will than the will of either the person to whom it is given, or God's, BY manipulation. It seems harmless, but there is a price to be paid later, for the spooks, once permitted in your situation(as they must be), have a plan for you...
If I give you an Eagle feather and just tell you it will give you an eagle's courage and command of your environment, it is STILL only a feather, which, incidentally, is no longer any good to its eagle, either! But, if you trust me and you TELL YOURSELF it must be true, putting actual faith in my words, or the idea applied to the feather paints a picture in your mind that you can RUN with, it is STILL a feather; only your beliefs have changed into something powerful enough to build courage and confidence inside you. It was there all the time, you just didn't believe it. WE are in charge of what we believe. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I don't have time to browse through all the pages, so I apologize. Just wanted to ask if it's been confirmed Michael wore a medical ID bracelet. I have a bracelet that looks very similar to the one he wears and it's really just a piece of accessory.
the causes of this has something to do with his childhood , like the cuases r things like physical, sexual,and emotional abuse. and as we all know michael suffered from physical and emotional abuse as a child <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
Did'nt Latoya say in her book that there was also sexual abuse going on? Or did I not read that correctly?
the causes of this has something to do with his childhood , like the cuases r things like physical, sexual,and emotional abuse. and as we all know michael suffered from physical and emotional abuse as a child <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
Did'nt Latoya say in her book that there was also sexual abuse going on? Or did I not read that correctly?
the causes of this has something to do with his childhood , like the cuases r things like physical, sexual,and emotional abuse. and as we all know michael suffered from physical and emotional abuse as a child <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
Did'nt Latoya say in her book that there was also sexual abuse going on? Or did I not read that correctly?
Oh, dear Lord, say it isn't so!!!!!
I'm sure I read that somewhere at some time, don't know where or when, but it sticks out in my mind.
the causes of this has something to do with his childhood , like the cuases r things like physical, sexual,and emotional abuse. and as we all know michael suffered from physical and emotional abuse as a child <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
Did'nt Latoya say in her book that there was also sexual abuse going on? Or did I not read that correctly?
Oh, dear Lord, say it isn't so!!!!!
I'm sure I read that somewhere at some time, don't know where or when, but it sticks out in my mind.
It was Brice Taylor who wrote that in her book and as horrific as it is, I believe she is telling the truth.
Imagine after reading this how Mike felt after the strip search back in '93. Crying like a little boy, locking himself into a bathroom for hours. They photographed parts that were of no relevance at all, makes you think what else they did with him, besides humiliating him beyond belief, reminding him of his childhood abuse. Why did Sneddon never 'leak' the photos or videos just for his own satanic fun? Is there something on there that people are not supposed to know?
If the haters would read only 10% of the horror I have been reading I am sure they would lower their voice about Mike. I think he has endured things we can't even imagine and I think it was way more than beatings alone.
Mind Controlled Slave Brice Taylor on Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson was just a little boy of four or five when I accompanied Bob Hope to a place where they were filming up-and- coming talent for television. Bob told me he supported and sponsored the Jacksons, getting them a professional foot in the door. Their father brought the boys in and I remembered seeing them taken into a side room where bright lights were on.
They all had to drop their pants and before their performance a big man raped each one of them in a lineup. Then they were taken to a different room and dressed in little suits and sent onto the stage to perform. Due to the mind control I was under, I’m not sure exactly where we were, but feel that it was the early days of the Ed Sullivan Show. I watched as Bob, dressed in a grey pinstripe suit and bow tie, with white shoes, shook hands with Ed; and then the Jackson boys went on. They were made into a sensation and famous, on purpose, so that they could be used in the future to influence large audiences.
Bob and his connections knew that all they needed was some talent, make- up, costumes, lights, glitter and lots of publicity. He said publicity was the most important ingredient.
I was just a teenager and Bob said that he wanted me to be present so I could learn the ropes to being a “starlet.” He wanted me to see how it was done and feel comfortable around the stage. I think he just said that as a cover to other people to hide the real reason I was with him – for his and others sexual pleasure.
Bob explained to me how important clothes are to one with a public image to uphold. I had on a short, small, tight-fitting, low-cut, yellow, sheath dress. I did as I was told and wore it along with the gold high heels I was provided.
Bob was often the connection for new entertainment. The Council used his connections for their own interest and got ‘key’ entertainers in place for future use. Many were robots like me. I saw many of them get hurt. I never saw Bob get hurt though.
The Jacksons were hurt; I was witness to their abuse. That first time when they performed, Bob got them onto the show and then we left in the limo and watched from the television inside. He told the driver to drive around until the show was over. Then Bob told me, “See how easy it is to be a star?” And he laughed and pushed my head into his lap for oral sex.
I think most would agree that the inherent love that is part of Michael Jackson’s soul essence shines through for the world to see. In spite of the programming themes in some of the songs he sings, as I was recovering I often held onto the words he sang, the lyrics reminding me, “You are not alone,” when I felt so very alone.
To Michael, I extend a hand and say you also are not alone. Now there is a way out of this insanity.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Talk shows and magazines went crazy for La Toya’s childhood stories and she was a regular face on television for quite some time. Things came to a head when La Toya accused her father of sexual abuse against her older sister live on the Donahue show in 1991.
the causes of this has something to do with his childhood , like the cuases r things like physical, sexual,and emotional abuse. and as we all know michael suffered from physical and emotional abuse as a child <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
Did'nt Latoya say in her book that there was also sexual abuse going on? Or did I not read that correctly?
Oh, dear Lord, say it isn't so!!!!!
I'm sure I read that somewhere at some time, don't know where or when, but it sticks out in my mind.
It was Brice Taylor who wrote that in her book and as horrific as it is, I believe she is telling the truth.
Imagine after reading this how Mike felt after the strip search back in '93. Crying like a little boy, locking himself into a bathroom for hours. They photographed parts that were of no relevance at all, makes you think what else they did with him, besides humiliating him beyond belief, reminding him of his childhood abuse. Why did Sneddon never 'leak' the photos or videos just for his own satanic fun? Is there something on there that people are not supposed to know?
If the haters would read only 10% of the horror I have been reading I am sure they would lower their voice about Mike. I think he has endured things we can't even imagine and I think it was way more than beatings alone.
Mind Controlled Slave Brice Taylor on Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson was just a little boy of four or five when I accompanied Bob Hope to a place where they were filming up-and- coming talent for television. Bob told me he supported and sponsored the Jacksons, getting them a professional foot in the door. Their father brought the boys in and I remembered seeing them taken into a side room where bright lights were on.
They all had to drop their pants and before their performance a big man raped each one of them in a lineup. Then they were taken to a different room and dressed in little suits and sent onto the stage to perform. Due to the mind control I was under, I’m not sure exactly where we were, but feel that it was the early days of the Ed Sullivan Show. I watched as Bob, dressed in a grey pinstripe suit and bow tie, with white shoes, shook hands with Ed; and then the Jackson boys went on. They were made into a sensation and famous, on purpose, so that they could be used in the future to influence large audiences.
Bob and his connections knew that all they needed was some talent, make- up, costumes, lights, glitter and lots of publicity. He said publicity was the most important ingredient.
I was just a teenager and Bob said that he wanted me to be present so I could learn the ropes to being a “starlet.” He wanted me to see how it was done and feel comfortable around the stage. I think he just said that as a cover to other people to hide the real reason I was with him – for his and others sexual pleasure.
Bob explained to me how important clothes are to one with a public image to uphold. I had on a short, small, tight-fitting, low-cut, yellow, sheath dress. I did as I was told and wore it along with the gold high heels I was provided.
Bob was often the connection for new entertainment. The Council used his connections for their own interest and got ‘key’ entertainers in place for future use. Many were robots like me. I saw many of them get hurt. I never saw Bob get hurt though.
The Jacksons were hurt; I was witness to their abuse. That first time when they performed, Bob got them onto the show and then we left in the limo and watched from the television inside. He told the driver to drive around until the show was over. Then Bob told me, “See how easy it is to be a star?” And he laughed and pushed my head into his lap for oral sex.
I think most would agree that the inherent love that is part of Michael Jackson’s soul essence shines through for the world to see. In spite of the programming themes in some of the songs he sings, as I was recovering I often held onto the words he sang, the lyrics reminding me, “You are not alone,” when I felt so very alone.
To Michael, I extend a hand and say you also are not alone. Now there is a way out of this insanity.
Souza, may I ask why you place so much weight on what Brice Taylor says? She could have mental issues! I mean, some women claim they've been married to and had babies with Michael! Not saying mind control doesn't exist... Just suggesting that this particular story isn't necessarily true.
False memories can be created in people, and we only have this 1 account... How do we know if it's reliable or not?
I don't believe Michael endured something as horrific as sodomy, and I'm not sure about mind control either... I think he would have hinted at that in his songs/speeches/interviews, and he never did... He spoke of his lost childhood and Joe's whippings, and I imagine that had he endured something more horrific than that then Joe's whippings would have PALED in comparison... Even more so if Joe "sold" him as a sex slave! SO: Until I see some serious evidence or at least serious HINTS, I don't believe it.
There are other reasons for my being skeptical... I think the light would have gone out of Mike (his eyes & his being) much earlier had he been sexually abused as a kid - and he wouldn't have lived at home, with his parents, till age 28 or so (had Joe been responsible, in some way, for that abuse).
the causes of this has something to do with his childhood , like the cuases r things like physical, sexual,and emotional abuse. and as we all know michael suffered from physical and emotional abuse as a child <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
Did'nt Latoya say in her book that there was also sexual abuse going on? Or did I not read that correctly?
Oh, dear Lord, say it isn't so!!!!!
I'm sure I read that somewhere at some time, don't know where or when, but it sticks out in my mind.
It was Brice Taylor who wrote that in her book and as horrific as it is, I believe she is telling the truth.
Imagine after reading this how Mike felt after the strip search back in '93. Crying like a little boy, locking himself into a bathroom for hours. They photographed parts that were of no relevance at all, makes you think what else they did with him, besides humiliating him beyond belief, reminding him of his childhood abuse. Why did Sneddon never 'leak' the photos or videos just for his own satanic fun? Is there something on there that people are not supposed to know?
If the haters would read only 10% of the horror I have been reading I am sure they would lower their voice about Mike. I think he has endured things we can't even imagine and I think it was way more than beatings alone.
Mind Controlled Slave Brice Taylor on Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson was just a little boy of four or five when I accompanied Bob Hope to a place where they were filming up-and- coming talent for television. Bob told me he supported and sponsored the Jacksons, getting them a professional foot in the door. Their father brought the boys in and I remembered seeing them taken into a side room where bright lights were on.
They all had to drop their pants and before their performance a big man raped each one of them in a lineup. Then they were taken to a different room and dressed in little suits and sent onto the stage to perform. Due to the mind control I was under, I’m not sure exactly where we were, but feel that it was the early days of the Ed Sullivan Show. I watched as Bob, dressed in a grey pinstripe suit and bow tie, with white shoes, shook hands with Ed; and then the Jackson boys went on. They were made into a sensation and famous, on purpose, so that they could be used in the future to influence large audiences.
Bob and his connections knew that all they needed was some talent, make- up, costumes, lights, glitter and lots of publicity. He said publicity was the most important ingredient.
I was just a teenager and Bob said that he wanted me to be present so I could learn the ropes to being a “starlet.” He wanted me to see how it was done and feel comfortable around the stage. I think he just said that as a cover to other people to hide the real reason I was with him – for his and others sexual pleasure.
Bob explained to me how important clothes are to one with a public image to uphold. I had on a short, small, tight-fitting, low-cut, yellow, sheath dress. I did as I was told and wore it along with the gold high heels I was provided.
Bob was often the connection for new entertainment. The Council used his connections for their own interest and got ‘key’ entertainers in place for future use. Many were robots like me. I saw many of them get hurt. I never saw Bob get hurt though.
The Jacksons were hurt; I was witness to their abuse. That first time when they performed, Bob got them onto the show and then we left in the limo and watched from the television inside. He told the driver to drive around until the show was over. Then Bob told me, “See how easy it is to be a star?” And he laughed and pushed my head into his lap for oral sex.
I think most would agree that the inherent love that is part of Michael Jackson’s soul essence shines through for the world to see. In spite of the programming themes in some of the songs he sings, as I was recovering I often held onto the words he sang, the lyrics reminding me, “You are not alone,” when I felt so very alone.
To Michael, I extend a hand and say you also are not alone. Now there is a way out of this insanity.
Souza, may I ask why you place so much weight on what Brice Taylor says? She could have mental issues! I mean, some women claim they've been married to and had babies with Michael! Not saying mind control doesn't exist... Just suggesting that this particular story isn't necessarily true.
False memories can be created in people, and we only have this 1 account... How do we know if it's reliable or not?
I don't believe Michael endured something as horrific as sodomy, and I'm not sure about mind control either... I think he would have hinted at that in his songs/speeches/interviews, and he never did... He spoke of his lost childhood and Joe's whippings, and I imagine that had he endured something more horrific than that then Joe's whippings would have PALED in comparison... Even more so if Joe "sold" him as a sex slave! SO: Until I see some serious evidence or at least serious HINTS, I don't believe it.
There are other reasons for my being skeptical... I think the light would have gone out of Mike (his eyes & his being) much earlier had he been sexually abused as a kid - and he wouldn't have lived at home, with his parents, till age 28 or so (had Joe been responsible, in some way, for that abuse).
I disagree with you and I also think Mike hinted on Mind Control lots of times. If you are interested I can send you a book about it, it will make things more clear. Sexual abuse and the MK Ultra project unfortunately go hand in hand most of the time.
You could also do a search for Cathy O'brien, another victim.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Think about the content of your forum name: truthprevails. I read quite a few books about Mind Control/MK Ultra since a few years and as horrific as it sounds I believe it to be true. So, in that sense I have to back up Souzas' words. He DID indicate mind control.
Think about school. The ONLY thing that school makes of us is nice emploEES, 'slaves to the system, ensuring the constant cycle of earnings and being legally robbed through taxes & Co. to make TPTB even more rich. BUT: are we taught to be self employed? Are we taught to see business from a business owners' perspective? No. We learn to obey by all means. We are not supposed to think for ourselves.
We are conditioned to believe only what we see and hear on a daily basis. I think this alone is the trap. We get used to a certain form of 'normal', 'not normal', 'impossible' vs 'possible', etc. because school and media teaches us THEIR definition of these words. But stripping these words to get down to core we quickly learn, that normal is not equal normal. It's a question of perception; what is normal for you isn't normal for someone else. But the truth - and I believe that is the reason you picked your wonderful name - is, that there are no versions of truth but the truth in and by itself. So, in regards to Michael possibly being a MK Ultra victim, at least make a bit room for that possibility within yourself. Because just making room within yourself will help the truth to come forward.
Like Souza said, just read f.e. Cathy O'Brians' Book "Trance-formation of America". It IS hair raising but unfortunately I do believe this exists. And due to logical reasons information like this is not taught at school, resp. is not brought into the open. Sick minds depend on a people that is busy chasing the latest home entertainment equipment, the latest fashion trends, the latest in-clubs, on a people that votes for a candidate that it has no clue whatsoever who stands and supports him/her; sick minds depend on a people that believes satanism f.e. is something that was last seen in the 17th century, when it still takes place in 2010.
Truth prevails - and the truth sometimes is not what we thought it should be. And we need to learn to accept that truth can have an ugly face. But I take the stand and say, even in the case of an ugly faced truth, THIS is something I can grow upon. Never on lies or sunny-weather-styled-disguised 'thruths'.
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Do you have a picture of Carlo at forest lawn?
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As I have learnt now, Souza and Mo, for you he is kind of suspect. And some members seem to considerate Deepak Chopra as controversal person. Okaaaayyy, I wasn`t aware of that. For myself - and the people I know - he made some very spiritual and scientific enlightening statements on overall questions of life and (human) being (maybe that is the problem - enlightening = illuminati? At your request I restrain my opinion on that but I definitely hope you are not considering any connection here.... please, come on!).
Well, ... about attending the funeral. Do we know that LKL was really live that day? I mean, think of Dave Dave ... And weren`t there only invited guests, like those the family wanted around? Who were these people anyway? Besides a few we recognized there have been a lot of people nobody has ever seen before. Relatives?
Maybe the Chopras were just not invited to attend the - private (JW?) - funeral.
Kabbalah is also used in mindcontrol
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THIS is what I mean <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> Chopra attached himself to MICHAEL JACKSON as if assigned to him, personally, <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> in order to appear as an associate or friend, but secretly, see TO it that MJ is under the influence of SOMEthing evil, 24/7!!! That SOMEthing, being...chemicals?, mind controlling meditations? or hypnosis??...
Who BETTER than a "respected MEDICAL DOCTOR"? <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P --> <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P --> <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
MY Bible says to BEWARE of individuals whom the entire world system LOVES. If one is popular with EVERYone, offending NO one?? THAT individual is a snake, a chameleon, telling everyone what their itching ears want to hear instead of any facts or truth which would actually be beneficial.
But the main documented transgression for now, is Chopra's unethical giving out of ANYONE'S personal health information---true or not---most likely NOT <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> We need to ask WHY <!-- s:twisted: -->:twisted:<!-- s:twisted: --> would someone who was loyal to MJ do THIS???????
as far as the red braclet from liz he could wear it and the theology of it. what is that part in the bible i think it is where we get the expression when i rome do as the romans do or something. i guess it was paul talking about eating meat from a sacrifice and saying basicly that it was ok because the believers we set free from the law ect.sorry i'm not to good about knowing the number off verses ect.
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The bible did help LaToya to keep the faith. She literally held the bible
Yes, The gist of the passage is not to offend someone who doesn't believe the same way you do. Specifically, even though all things were permitted to be eaten when sanctified(purified) by prayer (giving God thanks), the followers of Christ were cautioned not to eat either pork meats or meats used in pagan sacrifices in front of another brother in Christ who hadn't gotten that memo, yet. It was to prevent them from appearing to the younger brethren as if they were sinning boldly, and it was ok (because then, even though the younger ones did it too, THEY would have felt guilty, not realizing it actually WAS alright. A guilty, condemned conscience makes one hide from God. He wants us to fellowship with Him, not cower away from Him--especially over some misunderstanding over FOOD!) <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I can't imagine MJ falling for superstition, that any inanimate object is able to protect one from anything, <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> so it must have been explained to him so it made logical sense, OR he simply wore it to walk in love and not offend his friend, who gave it out of love. The greater offense would be to hurt someone's feelings, and be ungrateful for their love intent.
No object created by man has ANY supernatural power, even though some are convinced of it---but the lie surrounding those objects--objects to manipulate people and circumstances--opens a door and is forbidden in the bible---beCAUSE it "throws the game". It calls forth a rebellious spirit (Not an angel of God) to watch over the object like a sentinel. It's commonly called witchcraft, because its purpose is to do some OTHER person's will than the will of either the person to whom it is given, or God's, BY manipulation. It seems harmless, but there is a price to be paid later, for the spooks, once permitted in your situation(as they must be), have a plan for you...
If I give you an Eagle feather and just tell you it will give you an eagle's courage and command of your environment, it is STILL only a feather, which, incidentally, is no longer any good to its eagle, either! But, if you trust me and you TELL YOURSELF it must be true, putting actual faith in my words, or the idea applied to the feather paints a picture in your mind that you can RUN with, it is STILL a feather; only your beliefs have changed into something powerful enough to build courage and confidence inside you. It was there all the time, you just didn't believe it. WE are in charge of what we believe. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Did'nt Latoya say in her book that there was also sexual abuse going on? Or did I not read that correctly?
Oh, dear Lord, say it isn't so!!!!!
I'm sure I read that somewhere at some time, don't know where or when, but it sticks out in my mind.
It was Brice Taylor who wrote that in her book and as horrific as it is, I believe she is telling the truth.
Imagine after reading this how Mike felt after the strip search back in '93. Crying like a little boy, locking himself into a bathroom for hours. They photographed parts that were of no relevance at all, makes you think what else they did with him, besides humiliating him beyond belief, reminding him of his childhood abuse. Why did Sneddon never 'leak' the photos or videos just for his own satanic fun? Is there something on there that people are not supposed to know?
If the haters would read only 10% of the horror I have been reading I am sure they would lower their voice about Mike. I think he has endured things we can't even imagine and I think it was way more than beatings alone.
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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."<!-- m -->http://www.tv.com/latoya-jackson/person ... raphy.html<!-- m -->
Souza, may I ask why you place so much weight on what Brice Taylor says? She could have mental issues! I mean, some women claim they've been married to and had babies with Michael! Not saying mind control doesn't exist... Just suggesting that this particular story isn't necessarily true.
False memories can be created in people, and we only have this 1 account... How do we know if it's reliable or not?
I don't believe Michael endured something as horrific as sodomy, and I'm not sure about mind control either... I think he would have hinted at that in his songs/speeches/interviews, and he never did... He spoke of his lost childhood and Joe's whippings, and I imagine that had he endured something more horrific than that then Joe's whippings would have PALED in comparison... Even more so if Joe "sold" him as a sex slave! SO: Until I see some serious evidence or at least serious HINTS, I don't believe it.
There are other reasons for my being skeptical... I think the light would have gone out of Mike (his eyes & his being) much earlier had he been sexually abused as a kid - and he wouldn't have lived at home, with his parents, till age 28 or so (had Joe been responsible, in some way, for that abuse).
I disagree with you and I also think Mike hinted on Mind Control lots of times. If you are interested I can send you a book about it, it will make things more clear. Sexual abuse and the MK Ultra project unfortunately go hand in hand most of the time.
You could also do a search for Cathy O'brien, another victim.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Think about the content of your forum name: truthprevails. I read quite a few books about Mind Control/MK Ultra since a few years and as horrific as it sounds I believe it to be true. So, in that sense I have to back up Souzas' words. He DID indicate mind control.
Think about school. The ONLY thing that school makes of us is nice emploEES, 'slaves to the system, ensuring the constant cycle of earnings and being legally robbed through taxes & Co. to make TPTB even more rich. BUT: are we taught to be self employed? Are we taught to see business from a business owners' perspective? No. We learn to obey by all means. We are not supposed to think for ourselves.
We are conditioned to believe only what we see and hear on a daily basis. I think this alone is the trap. We get used to a certain form of 'normal', 'not normal', 'impossible' vs 'possible', etc. because school and media teaches us THEIR definition of these words. But stripping these words to get down to core we quickly learn, that normal is not equal normal. It's a question of perception; what is normal for you isn't normal for someone else. But the truth - and I believe that is the reason you picked your wonderful name - is, that there are no versions of truth but the truth in and by itself. So, in regards to Michael possibly being a MK Ultra victim, at least make a bit room for that possibility within yourself. Because just making room within yourself will help the truth to come forward.
Like Souza said, just read f.e. Cathy O'Brians' Book "Trance-formation of America". It IS hair raising but unfortunately I do believe this exists. And due to logical reasons information like this is not taught at school, resp. is not brought into the open. Sick minds depend on a people that is busy chasing the latest home entertainment equipment, the latest fashion trends, the latest in-clubs, on a people that votes for a candidate that it has no clue whatsoever who stands and supports him/her; sick minds depend on a people that believes satanism f.e. is something that was last seen in the 17th century, when it still takes place in 2010.
Truth prevails - and the truth sometimes is not what we thought it should be. And we need to learn to accept that truth can have an ugly face. But I take the stand and say, even in the case of an ugly faced truth, THIS is something I can grow upon. Never on lies or sunny-weather-styled-disguised 'thruths'.
Big hug to all, with L.O.V.E.