<br />Since we all are wondering is TS is a fake informer I found 2 contradictions in 2 different TS threads:<br /><br />1-Recruiting soldiers for Michael's Army of L.O.V.E:<br /><br />PLEASE NOTE: This is not a phishing scam; so please do not post your personal information. We want a quantity of people to show their support; but we are not asking for name, address, phone number, or other private info. Beware of anyone trying to get you to give out your personal information!<br /><br />http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,1934.msg27595.html#msg27595<br /><br />AND<br /><br />2-Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET (that some thought he meant: SCARED YET?)<br /><br />If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!<br /><br />http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,14058.msg234443.html#msg234443<br /><br />How could we give him our mailing address to send us the reward if we didn't know for sure who was him? Isn't it odd that somebody is asking for your mailing address?<br /><br />What do you guys think? and was there any member that was finally rewarded by TS?<br />
<br /><br />I think he asked for the mailing address just to sound legit...but IMO he knew that nobody will answer the challenge and prove his calculations were false, so i guess he knew right away that nobody will give him their address, so it's rather insignificant... The fact is nobody ever won the prize and had to send their mail address <br />
<br /><br />But I find it very brave from his side to have asked for the mailing address after the statement made to the members about not giving our personal data to anyone.<br />Thank you susieMJ.<br />
<br /><br />I see what you mean, but if he really wanted to reward someone, he had to ask for a personal info somehow...<br />But anyway, it's true that TS is very contradictory- all those statements that he will not post under TS_comments until bam, and then he does; predicting bams that don't happen...there's a long list of all the inconsistencies... I'm not saying he's fake, bcs he's done a pretty good job here, but I find it kind of strange how he keeps "playing with words" and choosing terms that can be interpreted in various ways... I'm so curious how he'll get out of his false bam prediction....I rly hope he won't give up...<br />
Hey guys, I refuse to even think of TS as false reporting, but the forum was active in the 12-31-12 and no further sign of him, that worries me a bit, but, Why, never before questioned the veracity of his statements?<br />I respect their opinions, but also, TS has the right to reply, we should not judge, maybe us the honor of writing again. :smiley-vault-misc-150:
I have questioned the veracity of his statements for years, and all along the years. I don't question his character or his intent, but I do question the accuracy of his words, always have. He will agree to that. I've been nothing but a (charming and respectful) ever-present pain in his ass. Or maybe just a mere annoyance :icon_lol: I didn't always do a very good job at challenging him, I'm usually wrong.<br /><br />But I missed this one:<br /><br />
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<br />Since we all are wondering is TS is a fake informer I found 2 contradictions in 2 different TS threads:<br /><br />1-Recruiting soldiers for Michael's Army of L.O.V.E:<br /><br />PLEASE NOTE: This is not a phishing scam; so please do not post your personal information. We want a quantity of people to show their support; but we are not asking for name, address, phone number, or other private info. Beware of anyone trying to get you to give out your personal information!<br /><br />http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,1934.msg27595.html#msg27595<br /><br />AND<br /><br />2-Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET (that some thought he meant: SCARED YET?)<br /><br />If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!<br /><br />http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,14058.msg234443.html#msg234443<br /><br />How could we give him our mailing address to send us the reward if we didn't know for sure who was him? Isn't it odd that somebody is asking for your mailing address?<br />
<br /><br />Sunset is right. TS totally contradicted himself right there. You don't need a mailing address to send money online, you only need a Paypal account, or equivalent. BINGO, Sunset, good job. He should never have asked for a mailing address. What if some kid really thought they could do the math and thought they proved him wrong n sought to claim the reward and DID send their real address? Of course he wouldn't do anything with it, but what about the next person who comes along in this way? That blatant contradiction is more proof that he IS a fake informer and we SHOULD beware of him, by his own words. He's been trying to tell us for a long time now, "I am a fake informer", I think THAT's the lesson of TIAI. Well one of them any way.<br /><br />BUT AGAIN, let this be crystal clear: To this day I do not question the person behind TS/TS_comment's screenname's character. I do believe he is a good person with good intent. I do not believe he wishes anyone harm in any way, I think he seeks only to educate. That aspect of TS/TS_comments is, and always has been, legitimate, I have no doubt. And yes, I have greatly enjoyed participating in this project all these years and no, I have no regrets about it.
Question for TS.<br /><br />No need to justify no bam by 01.01.13, JMO it is irrelevant and unnecessary, but can you please exaplain your PERSONAL definition of a "Fake Informer" :icon_e_wink:<br /><br /><br />THANKS IN ADVANCE.<br /><br /><br /><br />Great post Bec. Educate. By forcing us to look for truth amongst the murkiness, that he himself creates. <br />I also think he might be enjoying the show... watching us squirm... LOL<br /><br />Meanwhile imagine how funny it would be if a kid actually outstaged everyone and solved it... ha.<br /><br /> <br /><br />:smiley_abuv: to you TS - we know your intentions are pure / for entertainment / education - not grooming a bunch of misguided followers on the net - THANK YOU for being here!<br /><br />
Sweetsunset, great catch on TS’s contradiction on sending him personal info! Hope he’ll respond to it.<br />I know Scorpionchik once accused him of having all kinds of contradictions, and he defended himself there.<br /><br />One thing about this 'failed' Bam promise, or verification of TS as 'fake informer', it has made most of us more wary (maybe weary too :icon_lol:), and less bold about our beLIEfs, perhaps more eyes and ears peeled to all possible subtle things/illusions going on. <br />Like MJ is saying, <br />
Were now prepared to take you to the next level, 2000 watts, 8 ohms, 200 volts, (Are you ready?) Voltage, high, Aaahh!
,<br /><br />TS knew back in 2010 he would be posting the 7 signs in 2012. I think he's got everything mapped out, with dead-ends and decoys, etc. Maybe with this Bam-'fail', like a bucking horse, he intended to shake a few off, and see who could still hang on.<br />Well TS, we're still here, hanging on. You couldn't get rid of us!!!<br /><br /><br />
}. This was so obvious, that he got several questions about it; so only one day later, Kenny said: “... I was quoting text from Peter Pan. Please don’t look for hidden messages. Promise they’re not there. Just fun” {
}.<br /><br />Now if MJ were really dead, then we wouldn’t pay much attention to these tweets from Kenny; but if MJ is alive, then the first tweet was indeed a clue—and the second one was to deter further questioning. It is true that the first tweet doesn’t give a specific year, it only mentions springtime; however, unless he was referring to the very next spring (2010), then this tweet was essentially pointless—because it could be ANY spring from now until forever.<br /><br />On June 14, 2010, Janet tweeted this: “It’s time the fans know the truth …”<br />{Jun 14th via web;
verified account}. What “truth” was Janet referring to, that was then “time” for the fans to “know”? Perhaps that MJ is dead, and he was murdered? If so, that is nothing that hasn’t been said many times already. Furthermore, if MJ is alive, then murder would not be the “truth”—instead, the hoax would be the truth. Yet nearly three months have passed since then, and no hoax truth has come out publicly from the Jacksons.<br /><br />Last but not least, MJ himself said at the London press conference: “see you in July”! If he really died, then this was merely a reference to the planned concerts in July 2009; but if he was planning a fake death, then the “July” did not refer to 2009. Of course he didn’t say what year, just like Kenny’s tweet; but once again, if MJ didn’t mean July 2010, then it could be any year—and therefore it would be practically meaningless.<br /><br />Actually, if you’re going to include all of the above as fake MJ hoax informers, then you might as well include Dr. Hinton as a fake Elvis hoax informer; because Dr. Hinton—the very one who helped write the book with Elvis/Jesse—said Elvis would come out publicly in the year 2002, but it didn’t happen {http://http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page19}.<br /><br />And what about attorney Mayoras, who is an informer with Eliza’s case? Back in May he said: “Eliza Presley’s court case is back on track and scheduled to come to a head this summer. … Stay tuned until this summer. That’s when the real fun begins.” {http://http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html}. Summer is about over, so does “this summer” make him a fake informer? By the way “This Summer” is the exact phrase that I used in my Update #6—along with two question marks {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061}.<br /><br />Eliza herself knows that there can be delays, when you are dealing with court cases. She said the following: “Of course, any time that you deal with the legal system, you cannot predict a time frame, can you?” {http://http://www.elvisinfonet.com/interview_elizapresley1.htm}.<br /><br />Like everyone else involved in the MJ and Elvis hoaxes, I can’t give any certain dates for bam; I can only give possibilities. And at this point, don’t be too surprised if nothing major happens until after Eliza and/or Murray cases are done.<br /> There are some interesting dates coming up: 10-10-10, Halloween, and November 5 (V for Vendetta); but as always, don’t put too much on any particular date.<br /><br />What we do know for sure is that: “It’s all going to come out; it’s all going to unfold.” {}. This is what Jermaine said back in February, 2010; and it was stated in the context of the “airport” slip, so we know he meant the hoax is all going to come out {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7010}.<br /><br />Jermaine also reiterated this again on Larry King interview in June, 2010. “[Larry:] Do you think we’ll ever find out the whole story? [Jermaine:] Yes! Yes! You know why, because his [MJ’s] family is not going to let it not happen. ... We’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows what really happened.” {}.<br /><br />[size=12pt]Yes, there have been delays; and as time passes, more members may leave this forum (and many have left already). But don’t worry too much; they will all come rushing back right after bamsday—along with thousands and thousands of new members.[/size]<br /><br />- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br /><br />I’m not going to take the time and space in this post, to explain the latest set of redirects; most of them were understood correctly anyway. For those who want to see a list of them, LilWendy has done a great job of keeping track {http://http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/www-thisisalsoit-com-to-date/}. Also, don’t expect more redirects—at least not until there are significant developments with the Elvis/Eliza or MJ/Murray cases.<br /><br />Meanwhile, anyone can promote this $999 reward through any method that you want. But please do NOT reference http://http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com for the $999 reward, because sooner or later it will probably get redirected away from this post. Instead, use http://http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com for the $999 reward (and I will ask Mo & Souza to put a link from that page to this post).<br /><br />[size=12pt]... and now it’s Time for me to Sign,<br /><br />The Sign[/size]
<br /><br />[size=14pt]This is the proof that TS could be fake (until proven otherwise), he has predicted BAM more than once and BAM never happened.<br />[/size]<br /><br />BAM = BE AWARE OF MALICIOUS
[size=18pt][/size] I looked up who is TS ELIOT Thomas Stearns Eliot he was a publisher playwright, literary. Born in September 26 1888 I was just curious who this person would be> I remember TS did write a post and signed it TS Eliot. I wonder why he chose this name. <br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._S._Eliot
I am so proud on us as a group here! although we came across hard times and our faith has been tested many times, we are still strong and united!<br />Keep it going!
When TS said that we could consider him a fake informer if there was no BAM by the deadline, to me it just meant that he was 100% certain it would happen so no one could even have the opportunity to call him that – it’s like he said that we could know he is the Queen Elizabeth. So maybe that there really are complications. I don't think that everything is set in stone despite the well planning of the Hoax so unexpected things can happen especially if this has something to do with the legal system. This is how I’m thinking right now about this – hoping we will get some more light in the near future. I will pray God to clear the way for Michael, it can only be a good thing.
<br />When TS said that we could consider him a fake informer if there was no BAM by the deadline, to me it just meant that he was 100% certain it would happen so no one could even have the opportunity to call him that – it’s like he said that we could know he is the Queen Elizabeth. So maybe that there really are complications. I don't think that everything is set in stone despite the well planning of the Hoax so unexpected things can happen especially if this has something to do with the legal system. This is how I’m thinking right now about this – hoping we will get some more light in the near future. I will pray God to clear the way for Michael, it can only be a good thing.<br />
<br /><br />My sentiments as well, Sarahli.<br /><br />
<br />there must be indeed some complications which leaded to cancellation of Bam..TS looked so confident about Bam being till january 1, 2013, my intuition tells me there is more to the story, but we are not able to see behind the curtain, it could be dangerous to tell us every detail, we know that many people are watching and reading here..
<br />When TS said that we could consider him a fake informer if there was no BAM by the deadline, to me it just meant that he was 100% certain it would happen so no one could even have the opportunity to call him that – it’s like he said that we could know he is the Queen Elizabeth. So maybe that there really are complications. I don't think that everything is set in stone despite the well planning of the Hoax so unexpected things can happen especially if this has something to do with the legal system. This is how I’m thinking right now about this – hoping we will get some more light in the near future. I will pray God to clear the way for Michael, it can only be a good thing.<br />
<br /><br /><br />I see it that way too - that the BAM was supposed to happen before 1/1/13 but complications arose so the deadline was extended. Ok, fair enough, things happen. Can't control everything.<br /><br /><br />But I also see it that TS knew the BAM wouldn't happen by that date and that he would be called a "fake informer" for whatever reasons, probably to show that some of what he's written isn't necessarily true in regards to the hoax. For him to say in August 2011 that a BAM would happen before/by 1/1/13 knowing that it wouldn't happen then isn't really a stretch when it comes to long-term talking with TS. He wrote in December 2009 about the Ark of the Covenant, saying he'd go into further detail about it - which he did, in January 2012 (Sign 1). So long-term forethought with TS is not uncommon. And I can see the false BAM date being a way to shake our faith. Again, I'm reminded of the last paragraph from Sign 1 where he says that faith and only faith will win.<br /><br />
For those who choose Michael’s side, Michael Himself has made this amazing promise, “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne …” (Revelation 3:21; see 22:1-5; 1 Samuel 2:7,8; Matthew 25:31; 20:21-23; Mark 10:37-40). Yes, Lucifer got kicked out of heaven for demanding a seat upon God’s throne; he failed the test of faith. But for those who pass the test of faith, Jesus will give them the very same thing which Lucifer demanded, and yet never received—the privilege to sit on God’s throne! This is not a message of fear, it’s a message of faith, a faith that will conquer Lucifer and all who take sides with him. This is what the final battle is all about; the battle where faith and only faith will win the victory and prize: to sit with God on His throne—this is the battle, the final battle, the battle of Armageddon!!!!!!!
I still think that it's possible that TS comes back... Logically, whether he's a fake or a genuine informer, he'll not stop posting in the most intense moment of this hoax - I mean, if you like playing with people or you have an important info to share - this is the very right moment when the people will follow you and get your message... Just look at us - we're going crazy and whether we consider TS as fake or not - he'll for sure get huuuge attention if he replies right now...Front came back - it was a lot simplier for him than for TS as a single poem was sufficient to "calm us" and give us hope... The thing is different with TS - he knows very well that we'll not let him go with a poem, ambiguous text etc - he knows we'll yell for explanations and many will criticize him - it surely won't be easy for him. Maybe that's why he's not posting anything now - maybe he waits for something (the "complications" being "solved" or the postponed bam finally happening) to explain everything... There's a thing that makes me wonder too - why a fake informer would take such a risk (after being followed for years) to predict a 100% bam that would put all his reputation at stake. That would be a strange behaviour, because even without this deadline we'll still follow him...unless, and i'm just thinking out loud here, he was tired of all the hoax and all the attention he was getting as a fake informer and just wanted to set a deadline for himself - like "i'm doing this till 2013 and then it's over"...that would make sense but somehow i feel TS takes this hoax more seriously and will not let this all finish this way... In fact his last redirect about CM isn't pointing to an end, but rather to a beginning - I feel there are many things in the making - something for sure will happen (or at least I hope so)...<br />As for "learning a lesson not to believe anyone" I think this whole hoax is a huge lesson in itself, even if TS turns out to be fake, that will not teach me not to trust anyone - that will just be an example of the hoax message (do not trust the media etc)... And I do not believe that anyone on this forum fully believed TS, I mean - we can't even fully trust the family, so what about TS - a total stranger...? <br />Time will tell but as far as bam and TS are concerned, better know later than never
Andrea, I see what you mean, it’s difficult to know what’s really going on, what is the plan ultimately, we know so little ... I’m just thinking that it was the 1st time TS was absolutely certain about a date to the point of putting his “reputation at stake”, lol. But you may be right of course, I am not sure about what would be under test with that, it could be our faith indeed but I don't see for what reason. I also think that we maybe see the Hoax as essentially concentrated in the ARG part and this forum, but there must many other projects that must be getting attention. We don't really know how it can interfere. <br /><br />Now if there are no real complications and this is all a test it could also be to see how easily (or not) people would jump on the TS is fake bandwagon just based on this failed prediction? Without contradicting or proving him wrong with evidence. To think that TS’s info may be fake based on this means that only his status gives or removes credence to his theories and not their logic or lack thereof. I just don't see how the absence of BAM disproves TS' theories. But anyway, given how level 7 was going in circles it may just be that in the end we believe what makes the most sense for us. We were asked think for ourselves after all. :icon_e_wink:
<br />[size=18pt][/size] I looked up who is TS ELIOT Thomas Stearns Eliot he was a publisher playwright, literary. Born in September 26 1888 I was just curious who this person would be> I remember TS did write a post and signed it TS Eliot. I wonder why he chose this name. <br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._S._Eliot<br />
<br /><br />Hi Heartofgold, <br /><br /> Say, WHICH post of T.S.' did he sign like that (TS Eliot) ?????????? I looked, but it's taking me too long. :Pulling_hair: :screaming-7365:<br /><br />Another thing...and maybe someone already highlighted this :icon_e_smile:, but, I'm pretty sure TS is a good guy here, so all I needed to do was explain away the little faux pas about the BAM date, to still believe he is one of the good guys (inside). How many times have we been burned by bogus BAM dates and YET we fell for another one, at our own TS' hands! Suckers! ha ha , you know I love you, so no hard feelings, eh? We just are very sweet, innocent, HOPEFUL, excited hoaxers!!! NO shame implied, at all, but in fun, TSK TSK. But I think TS MEANT to reveal that we are too trusting just yet---just because we think we know HIM!! (He COULD be a boogeyman, kids. We don't know. just because he is very nice, and sophisticated, educated, religious, maybe, and has a three year investment here with us, as we all do...Time here, alone, doesn't make him trustworthy, for real. Some serial killers have proven to be very patient , methodical deceivers...btw. All that really tells me that he is trustworthy is that our famous watchgurl, Souza has not run him off as a poser or opportunist. That IS something to bank on, even while all his other personality and character traits seem to validate her trust in him. I trust her instincts about her own forum (there is a cosmic principle there :icon_e_geek:), and, I DO trust TS, because I am pretty much anonymous to him, and so, safe, AND because i just want to trust him. :icon_albino: We have to trust someone in the Hoax Coach. Suspicion taking root, can make ya NUTS. :suspect:<br /><br />That said, what I started to say about the words "Fake Informer" is that I think TS meant "fake" as a noun of its own, that is, any OTHER untruths, not an adjective describing himself. He is an "Informer" (noun), revealing the fake (a separate noun). Well, he certainly exposed a fake BAM, when it didn't happen. And really, it made sense too, for the date to be a good one, but, really, it's just another teaching exercise, eh? Sorry if I am repeating someone (I haven't read everything yet :icon_e_smile: ). It is worth repeating, anyway, to sprinkle some relief about! Hi T.S. (don't make me sorry :'(, :icon_albino: :icon_e_biggrin:).
<br /><br />How could we give him our mailing address to send us the reward if we didn't know for sure who was him? Isn't it odd that somebody is asking for your mailing address?<br /><br />What do you guys think? and was there any member that was finally rewarded by TS?<br />
<br /><br />Mysetrious , odd , peculiar but not contradictory . His asking for the mailing adress implies that he knew that no one would ever be able to prove his theories to be wrong ( mainly the ones about numerology and the connection between MJ and Elvis ) . As he said it in his post , it was him challenging the critics . <br /><br />What I still find kind of baffling till this day is him referring to himself as " we" . I mean we know that his theories must be a work of a collective intelligence but how many people are behind TS' posts . Besides, if TS and Front know each other , does it mean that behind Front's account are a "lot " of people as well ?<br />
<br /><br />He says "we" because he is including us in his team I don't think there are more than a person behind TS.<br />
<br /><br />I've always thought that TS is some combination of Michael, Marlon, & Jermaine....but that's just my opinion.
<br /> in the end we believe what makes the most sense for us. We were asked think for ourselves after all. :icon_e_wink:<br />
<br /><br />I so agree with you on this one . We believe not what we see or what we're exposed to , but what we decide / choose to believe . If there's anyone to blame it must be ourselves for letting things get out of our control . In all of their / his posts TS and Front asked us not to take their /his words as the absolute truth , Front even dared ask us to doubt him .. could he have been any clearer ? it was a loud shout that we shouldn't believe EVERYTHING with which they have been feeding us . However , I still believe that this "delay" is a part of the play . For me , it seems so thematic ! Planned and well organised ( just like a member whose name I fail to remember right now said in another thread ) To be honest , I don't think there were any complications even though Front said so . We know how perfectionist and thoughtful Michael is , he wouldn't let things be on his way . And by the way , isn't today the 5th January ? Why nothing has been said about the extension of 15 days that Murray's lawyer was granted ? TMZ has been publishing non sense stuff since TS posted those tweets about the extension ( the DL , Ola Ray getting paid ..) as if they're trying to keep us busy while something is being cooked behind the curtains .
TS/TS_comments never signed anything TS Eliot. That's false info.<br /><br />To me it's pretty crystal clear. It's a game, and all this time TS/TS_comments was playing the part of "fake" informer. Problem is, it's not so black n white. Some of the info is fake, some is not. It's up to the player to determine true from false. Now that's a twist!<br /><br />It's pretty clever. I'm sure his old posts are chock full of more little nuggets like the one Sunset found. Cuz you really can't deny that, that's a complete contradiction... with the only plausible explanation being that he wrote it that way on purpose. We all know TS/TS_comments is extremely careful in his choice of words and extremely methodical in his execution. <br /><br />We all add our own inflection to the written word. Words on a screen or piece of paper are not just words. They are thoughts n feelings n pictures n emotions. Some are transmitted by the author but the reader always brings their own mood to the table. A simple example is when something here on the forum gets "taken the wrong way". Sometimes the author was in error but other times, the reader submitted an emotion to the words that was solely one sided.<br /><br />Because usually when I read a post from TS/TS_comments, I WANTED to believe something. Ever skeptical of him but still... I believe in his character so I always really wanted to believe what he was writing was genuine info. Actors use lies to tell the truth... perhaps that's why TS was always such a fan of V for Vendetta. Sure the FBI does sting operations on bad guys. Sure the Illuminati rule the world and take out enemies of their operation. Sure MJ was a target of people trying to embezzle or defraud him. And sure, LaToya's husband really was a crooked, evil man who probably really did want MJ out of the way just to hurt her.<br /><br />Anyway point being, that's what I think. TS/TS_comments spun us a tangled web of lies (devil's advocate) n truth n now we get to sift through it all.<br /><br />Oh but he will be back. Not to worry. He is always back.
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