<br />Okay, so the one picture on the gurny is from the hospital...right? Well, I can maaaybe see the tube being in there. I have my doubts, but it is possible...I guess. But WHY would the tube still be in the picture at autopsy? They didn't do the autopsy that day or evening, did they? They would have had plenty of time to take it out. And does that mean that the tube was still in the body when they put him in the helecopter? This does not make sense. Also, what is the red sore in the chest? Is this where they tried to do resusitation?<br />
<br /><br />I do wish to point out something very important here: THAT GURNEY IS NOT USED AT UCLA, especially not at the time Period when Michael was brought in, okay? People have verified it, cross verified it. Those are sent to like, oh, old county hospitals. They're not at the new hospitals. Where I had emergency surgery at last year, I was a smart ass, and pointed out to my bf, "Look, see? UCLA had THESE gurneys, not the straight bars!" He just looked at the doc, and said, "She's hallucinating from the pain again!" And they upped my morphine - again. Little did he realize, I was still wide-awake, heh. <br /><br />The red sore, was allegedly from them using the epinephrine needle into the heart. <br /><br />Here's info from a Paramedic:<br /><br />"Epinephrine (adrenalin) is a catecholemine produced by the adrenal glands, and its secretion is controlled by the sympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system. It acts mainly to increase the rate and strength of cardiac contraction, and to constrict peripheral blood vessels, in order to maintan adequate supply of blood to vital organs when the body is stressed. It also acts to dilate the small airways, stimulate the start of slower (but longer lasting) measures of maintaining adequate blood supply, and mobilise energy stores for instant use. There are other effects but these are the main ones.<br /><br />As a paramedic, I am authorised to use adrenalin in managing:<br />- cardiac arrest (intravenous)<br />- severe asthma that has deteriorated beyond effective inhalational remedies (intramuscular) <br />- severe allergic reactions (intramuscular)<br /><br />Almost all adrenalin is given intravenously or by intramuscular injection. Putting it down an airway is not very effective because you need to use twice as much to get the same result as an IV dose, because it has to cross the respiratory membrane to get into the blood. And as for the direct injection into the heart....this is very much an emergency procedure limited to very specific circumstances."<br /><br />In other words, direct heart injection is only used for immediate heart restart. <br /><br />Here's another Paramedic's POV:<br />"Early defibrilliation takes precendence over everything else when starting CPR, so one paramedic will prepare the LifePak (or similar defib machine) while the other(s) commence CPR.<br /><br />Once connected, the machine is allowed to run its protocol (usually 3 shocks, one minute of CPR, 3 more shocks), before any more elborate care is attempted.<br /><br />At this point, airway management wil be upgraded from a simple oral airway to either a laryngeal mask airway or an endotracheal tube. Another minute of high quality CPR will follow.<br /><br />If there is still no recovery, an IV access will be established in a large bore vein (usually the antecubital fossa in the elbow). A freely flowing normal saline drip is started, followed by 1 ml doses of adrenalin 1:1000. Each dose is separated by a couple of minutes of CPR. <br /><br />The action of adrenalin in this scenario is not just to create some cardiac stimulation. It also acts on the veins to cause peripheral vasoconstriction, thus forcing blood back into the torso to boost venous return to the heart to boost output. This action helps to move the drug towards the heart, in concert with circulation provided by CPR.<br /><br />Increased cardiac ouput, albeit by CPR, helps to improve coronary circulation to the heart muscle. The aim of the whole procedure is to get enough oxygen into the cells of the heart muscle to get it back into normal function."<br /><br />I've been both a passenger in an ambulance, and rode shotgun upfront, with a friend in the back. In both situations, we were critical but stabilized. They chose NOT to run the sirens, as driving fast could potentially destabilize broken bones. Not fun, but as far as I know? You don't run sirens if patient is ALIVE and stable! You run sirens if they're NOT STABLE, and you're running hot, rushing with everyone on code BLUE, ready with crash carts and everything. <br /><br />If someone's dead at their home, the coroner picks them up, not the paramedics; the police immediately collect evidence, in conjunction with the Coroner's Office. Ergo, I must summarize whomever it was, was STABLE, BREATHING, heart was beating, on the way to the hospital. Siren's are for those in dire danger.
Check out these two comparisons.I believe this is the original photo taken from the real life crimes shows.its a double, but OMG..he is almost identical to the picture..other than his face head and the blacked areas.<br /><br />You can also notice the same reflections from the autopsy table..........
In the picture where it suppose to be MJ at autospy, the right leg shows a big red scar or mark. Is that where he had that spider bite? And would there still be a big scar from that? Not sure when it happened. Or is this probably from something else? I know back when he supposedly *died*, 20/20 did a show and showed pictures of the spider bite, but then the media and their doctors who already form opinions speculated that it was from an IV that leaked and not a spider bite.<br />
I didn't notice that spider bite mark before. It does appear to be in the same area of the pictures that Michael showed. But not to say it can't be duplicated on another "person"...
Today I was attending a tiny chat where a 10 years professional paramedic who has been following Michael's case was talking about it and somebody asked her some questions, please correct me if some of you were attending the tiny chat and I am wrong but she said that it's totally impossible not to recognise (by paramedics) Michael's body although his body were very deteriorated and that the man described at the court room and the man brought to UCLA by the paramedics were two different persons, that's to say the descriptions didn't match, I felt quite relieved BTW.<br />
<br />Today I was attending a tiny chat where a 10 years professional paramedic who has been following Michael's case was talking about it and somebody asked her some questions, please correct me if some of you were attending the tiny chat and I am wrong but she said that it's totally impossible not to recognise (by paramedics) Michael's body although his body were very deteriorated and that the man described at the court room and the man brought to UCLA by the paramedics were two different persons, that's to say the descriptions didn't match, I felt quite relieved BTW.<br />
<br /><br />Thanks Sweet for mentioning this. I had a chance to listen in on this chat as well - the information she gave is very interesting. She also said that the Resuscitator was not placed properly on his mouth, the lip and teeth showing above it - which is the reason this paramedic began to question MJ's death. He shouldn't have been really cold even if he had already been dead over an hour, depends on room temp. Not unusual to back out slowly when leaving and in the State she lives in there are usually two ambulances and one firetruck at this type of emergency. The caller was too vague compared to calls she's heard. He never said it was Michael and more specific. In her opinion, the paramedics were in on it. <br /><br />
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