How can hands so change ?

Hopeless · August 2010

Every time i look at older pics i wonder when i see the hands from Michael.
There are not much pics i could find online from the early years when i saw that he has markant long thin fingers, also so long hand, not so strong like now.
There is no reason to that change....arthritis or lupus or being older... the lenght of the fingers can't change.
I put some pics...the best i could find in the moment :

His fingers seams to be longer then the hand...very long, thin and fine, also the hand.























Here you have to soom, but you see how long ! the fingers are !






And here some pics where it seams like the fingers are short, the hand very strong :







Please, what do you think ? All the same...than i should need some new glasses soon... :D

nefari · August 2010

I've been noticing this for awhile. The Michael I grew up watching had long slender fingers but large hands never the less. But that red curtain 02 dude's hand's look thicker and much stockier, fatter even which is crazy being that Michael was so thin, if that is Michael. It all goes back to the doubles theory and at different times possibly a stand in or double being used. At one point it even looks like the guy had on some sort of extra skin or glove over his hand....which makes me ponder the Dave Dave theory even more.

Hopeless · August 2010

Here a pic from the long fingers....looking very il...

Hopeless · August 2010

It's not easy to find his hands from the early years, but i found some pic's where he always had this long fingers.
Because i can't imagine that it was always the same person through the years, i thought that after " Of the wall" there where other hands, but i must see that it was at Oprah he has this very good seeing long fingers and the last years, they are sadly looking very old....too old for 50 years....and the coloured fingernails....it looks not good, but the fingers are long !
The Michael at the trial had the short fingers...
Confusion.... :shock:

Hopeless · August 2010

Long fingers :



 Power Thursday....reminds me on the Thursday think...

But what is that ?????????????????????? Total confusion....Michael early years with shorter fingers....

MJ_Facts · August 2010

Hi Hopeless,

I wondered the same!! Especially when I saw this MJ at the rehearsal ... the MJ with the glasses watching the rehearsals!!! This MJ had VERY LONG AND THIN fingers almost like spider legs ... soooo thin.

Here is the YouTube link:



And when you compare these with the hand of the O2 guy it is very very obvious that something is not quite right!!!

We all know that MJ was thin and assuming that the 02 guy was the "real deal" so how come that he is thin and has suddenly so thick and strong fingers??? I never understood this.

Can anyone explain???

Hopeless · August 2010

Hi MJ_Facts,

fine that i am not the only one who noticed ! I can better watch pics or videos, than understand complicated english posts... :D

Yes, what you say is absolut right ! He was so thin and the fingers normaly getting thin too.
When we think that he has to take some medication, like cortison against his disease, it was unusual that only the fingers get swollen...the whole body likes to get more weight...and fingers dosn't get shorter...i know no medicaton for that..... <!-- s

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The O2 Michael had big hands and shorter fingers......and a bigger head, he seems to be taller...i rearly can't believe that the Michael Jackson, this small man with the little head can change so much.....i can't believe...look at other celebs who had surgery...we all see it....and it often looks scaring...but Michael always looks like he was so born....that goes round and round in my head...

Hopeless · August 2010

In the video we could rearly see his long fingers.

But i must realy say that the oic from the last years with the long finger Michael, he looks not good.....rearly not.
Maybe he is in rehab, because i can't believe he is dead with all this circus around from the family.

nefari · August 2010

This issue makes me want to get my straight jacket lol, but it really makes me stand my ground on the notion that there was a Michael Joseph and a Michael Joe OR else someone who took the real MJ's place somewhere along the line for what ever reason. If the real Michael Jackson is truly alive my bet is that he looks about like he did during the Bad era, skin and all. I think Michael used a lot more make up and disguises than we can fathom, even when we thought we were seeing him totally natural and this goes for the hands as well.

whisper9396 · August 2010

Hi.
I collected a few pictures on this theme before. I was also interested by his hands. Does can my pictures will help also?

Hopeless · August 2010

Hello whisper9396,
thank you so much for your help ! Am i right that there was only one pic with the long fingers ? These pics are difficult to find and weird is that Katherine put in her book " Never can say good bye " only oics from the Michael with long fingers !!!
Wath can they more give us to see ?
The original Michael has this very long fine fingers, but it looks very ill in the less pics from the last years.
The double or wath ever has stronger hands with shorter fingers.

In the " watching rehersal" video are it rearly that long fingers, but i can't believe ... helooks thin, but tall with stronger bones.....for me it was nearly unpossible ...this change...

It costs many sleepless nights and i think we will never hear what happens... :?

Hopeless · August 2010

What are you thinking ?
Long or short fingers ?


Long :


Short :


I think short and it would mean that it was for 25 or more years two of them !
The long finger Michael wasn't much in public....on tours ??? i am not sure. Was he Joe ?
The one with the short fingers was all about....was he Joseph and the father of the children ?

Jude · August 2010

Also arthritis can swell the joints making the fingers look shorter and thicker.

But for me the last time we saw the real Michael Jackson was the Bad era.

Hopeless · August 2010

These are the same persons :





Look at the smile.

MJ_Facts · August 2010

Hi.
I collected a few pictures on this theme before. I was also interested by his hands. Does can my pictures will help also?
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Sometimes I think that ALL these guys are NOT Mikey - the MJ in TII looked completely different!!

smoothcriminal · August 2010

You have a lot of pictures with him holding up his hand with his palm showing, get someone who can compare the lines, a palm reader and a good one. I think I will ask my friend she has been doing this for 30 years maybe she can give some insight, don't know, but it is worth a try.. :D

MJonmind · August 2010

new tiux · August 2010

oh God! Looking at these hand-pictures I'm confused now.... :roll: can't tell anymore if it's Michael or not..or which is Michael I knew..or I thought I knew.. :? when did "they" make a change and introduced to us this Michael we know now? Lines and fingers are different almost on every pic..specially when to compare pics from dark-skin Michael and white-skin Michael...how is this possible?

suspicious mind · August 2010

i have always paid more attention to the hands and the general bone structure. long upper leg bones ect. it doesn't really have to mean alot of height. he has big bones for not that big a dude. i think if someone else was playing the role of michael it was intermitten (like the way they used the olson twins in full house). uumm i wonder when did that show come about? i just don't know what the legal ramifications of this practice would be if one was used for more that the normal circumstances.not to mention the deception factor doesn't bode well for character in my opinion. what about performances and videos, the idea of that not being the real deal doesn't sit too well for me and i can't see that many would feel any different. based on all this i do however feel that the michael we saw at least at the end of tii telling us about the BAM was in deed michael. of course i haven't had my meds today <!-- s

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ConfusedLOVE · August 2010

You have a lot of pictures with him holding up his hand with his palm showing, get someone who can compare the lines, a palm reader and a good one. I think I will ask my friend she has been doing this for 30 years maybe she can give some insight, don't know, but it is worth a try.. :D

Good idea!!!!!!!! I think it is really hard to tell but I agree with the artritus idea, it really affected my Grandmothers fingers! Also when you look at pics of him waving or holding up his hand it sems that his little finger sticks out to the side in a certain way (don't know how to describe it). :?

Unknown · August 2010

Each and every one of these pictures are Michael. The same Michael that began in Gary, In. as a six year old little boy. It's all Michael. Your hands can change over the course of time with age, weight fluctuation, arthritic conditions, and in his case, loss of pigmentation. They can look different in photographs because of angles, lighting and so forth.

He was never replaced by another Michael. Michael has always been Michael.

In TII, it was all Michael. In these pics, it's all Mike.

whisper9396 · August 2010

You have a lot of pictures with him holding up his hand with his palm showing, get someone who can compare the lines, a palm reader and a good one. I think I will ask my friend she has been doing this for 30 years maybe she can give some insight, don't know, but it is worth a try.. :D

Good idea!!!!!!!! I think it is really hard to tell but I agree with the artritus idea, it really affected my Grandmothers fingers! Also when you look at pics of him waving or holding up his hand it sems that his little finger sticks out to the side in a certain way (don't know how to describe it). :?

As for me, I collected thees pics just only for hands lines. Lets make attention for lines! The lines must be the same in one human during his life. :?

whisper9396 · August 2010

Each and every one of these pictures are Michael. The same Michael that began in Gary, In. as a six year old little boy. It's all Michael. Your hands can change over the course of time with age, weight fluctuation, arthritic conditions, and in his case, loss of pigmentation. They can look different in photographs because of angles, lighting and so forth.

He was never replaced by another Michael. Michael has always been Michael.

In TII, it was all Michael. In these pics, it's all Mike.

You are right, possible....But when I watched TII, I cant to belive that this is the real MJ. I cant to axplaine this my since. Just another condact.....something another in his motions...I guess...
Sorry for terrible english :|

londonluck · August 2010

Each and every one of these pictures are Michael. The same Michael that began in Gary, In. as a six year old little boy. It's all Michael. Your hands can change over the course of time with age, weight fluctuation, arthritic conditions, and in his case, loss of pigmentation. They can look different in photographs because of angles, lighting and so forth.

He was never replaced by another Michael. Michael has always been Michael.

In TII, it was all Michael. In these pics, it's all Mike.

I'm totally with you :)
And, guys, are you gonna tell me this guy has short fingers?
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whisper9396 · August 2010

Each and every one of these pictures are Michael. The same Michael that began in Gary, In. as a six year old little boy. It's all Michael. Your hands can change over the course of time with age, weight fluctuation, arthritic conditions, and in his case, loss of pigmentation. They can look different in photographs because of angles, lighting and so forth.

He was never replaced by another Michael. Michael has always been Michael.

In TII, it was all Michael. In these pics, it's all Mike.

I'm totally with you :)
And, guys, are you gonna tell me this guy has short fingers?
Not in my life

Perfect pics, really. Can you tell me (I dont know) did MJ has an illness of the bones? I see some problems with hands bones MJ on your pics. (Because my mother has this problems, I knew hands like on pics). Thank you.
Sorry for errors.

nefari · August 2010

I can't help but giggle at how some of us call him 02 dude or The red curtain guy he he but even if this is really Michael I get an air of mystery around him in these photos in front of the red curtain. And these are some of the better shots of his hands.

How can hands so change ?

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