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Souza
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4-37. Hints on the “How’s” of the Hoax
In this update, I have gone into great detail about the timing of the hoax (as well as a few other aspects). Previously, I have gone into great detail about the reasons for the hoax {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}. That leaves only one frontier remaining: how did MJ succeed in pulling off this massive hoax?
I’m not going to go into great detail on that now, it would be very long—and this update is already the longest update by far. But I will give some hints, to help you go in the right direction if you want to investigate it further.
For starters, maybe it is time to create a sub-forum for Coherent Theories. By this, I mean theories that start putting all the pieces together, fitting into one bigger picture. But we can’t have MJ hopping on a plane at LAX, escaping out of a tunnel in the basement of UCLA, and riding alive in the helicopter to the coroner’s office, as well as in the other helicopter—all at the same time. This would not qualify as a coherent theory.
I think we already have a huge clue from Jermaine, telling us that MJ went to the “airport”—NOT the hospital. And in fact, it would’ve been very risky and unnecessary for him to ride alive in the ambulance to UCLA, and then go into UCLA where he could be easily recognized (and hard to play dead), and then try to escape somehow. What would be the point?
Based on the planned timing of the hoax, we should now be able to see very plainly that the living MJ body double theory doesn’t work. There is no chance that a living double just happened to die on the right year, the right day, and the right hour.
This leaves us with three possibilities. There was no body at all, which would require quite a few people to be “in on it”. There was a dummy, not a real human; this reduces the number of people “in on it”, and also makes it easy to duplicate the looks of MJ (but paramedics would need to be “in on it”, because they would not be fooled by a dummy). Or there was a real human corpse, which had recently died. In fact, at different times and places, there could’ve been more than one corpse and/or dummy used as needed.
Considering the corpse possibility: do you remember anything about the room being heated extra warm—in the summer of all times {http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/26/jackson-time-of-death-a-mystery/}? Maybe the room was heated to make the corpse feel warm, like it had just died. And do you remember the paramedics saying that MJ had been dead for more than an hour before they arrived—and also that they did not realize it was MJ, and thought it looked like an old man? {http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/27/paramedics-jackson-dead-when-we-arrived/; http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/; http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-jackson-the-911-call/}
So if you think you have the puzzle complete, post the theory in this subforum. The hoax from start to 'end'.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
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Reading TS's update again, he seems to be highlighting Jermaine's 'airport' clue, so maybe we should start there. I take that to mean MJ had 'gone' before any of the events at the hospital and maybe even at the house. The ambulance photo was done on 'the other day' with a dummy. The paramedics on 25th were 'in on it'.
Not sure about TS drawing attention to the use of a dummy/dummies or corpse/corpses. The first option sits more comfortably with me, I have to say - using a corpse seems too macabre. But who knows?
I'll definitely be thinking some more about this - and preferably before bedtime!!
And they kept his body warm (hot hot hot in the room) for the right moment to call 911.
Timing?
Why only in the evening and at night a doctor in the house?
If really was Michaels doctor he had to be there 24 hours a day!
Why did he get the iv in the doctors room?
So there was someone in that house who was very sick.
And well taken care of by doctor murray.
He just had to die at the right moment...
But who was it?
Chappie
I wonder who else got there firing the whole staff.
Exactly my thoughts. Or the one who died earlier as planned.
Chappie
Talking about dolls
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But in this case (IMO) is the autopsy, burial ... This would involve many people: paramedics, medical examiners, police ... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> It seems unlikely, unless there is prior consent of the authorities (FBI, ..) - (? This implies a different debate, separately, whatever the form that the hoax was done). <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: -->
I do not understand ... can you explain more clearly please? <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
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I think that someone died too... maybe Soule Shawn?
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We are creating a continuation of his biography paralell to what he already has been showing.
Back in 2008 he was facing some claims (from the Saudi Royalty), "debts" and part of them were a project offering his auto-biography and a set of staged concerts.
That has been delievered.
Part of his life has also been being targeted by conspiracy, false allegations and fraud.
MJ feared for his life, his family has talked about an "intervention" but we are not sure what kind of intervention, legal, medical or for security reasons.
One scenario could be that "someone" tried to attemp towards MJ´s life earlier than June 25th and from there on the hoax scenario was developed in order to achieve the different goals all combined together, i.e safety and protection, remembering MJ for the artist and the man he was, not by his trials, the revival of his hits, a real come back and also getting some debts payed on the way <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Many other scenarios have been discussed and comes in to my mind as well, as a puzzle.
In conclusion;
MJ was at the airport way before, and I think he really was, in fact, I don´t think he was in L.A on the 25th of June 2009.
The "body", it was Michael´s, had an "autopsy"but not that type of autopsy as performed to a deceased person...imo, he was being examined alive, as it happened when his trials, needing to expose his body to confirm "colored patches" here and there.
One way or the other, justice will be done.
Yes!
All these months, so far, we have absolutely nothing to point to the same point of view. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> I understand that TS also puts us in that situation, every post because he does not send us or not suggests, his personal opinion, but several questions, possibilities and coincidences, with the backing of numerology, the science and does not guarantee accuracy of any of them happening ... not the accuracy of coincidence of events in the media, family, etc., but accuracy, if Michael is alive and if he returns or not, or whether he really died. I think it was a long time, and if this continues, we'll be here in circles for the next 30 years ... Like Elvis. <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( --> <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> Excuse me if I'm tired and impatient today. Excuse me, TS, but because many of us are putting all our faith and hope in you! <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: -->
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I hear Marlon Brando's Island near Tahiti is nice and warm. As is Hawaii. And there are palmtrees in both (as in the reflection of the water on Michael's Holliwood Star in HOld my Hand AND in the video Path of the Just linked to from Eliza Presley's blog we were redirected to).
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There was definitely a delay at the airport on the morning of June 25 which was interesting to me because it had been revealed “unofficially” that Michael’s bags had been packed for several days prior to June 25. That struck me as odd. I had also been in contact with someone who kept saying that one plane only had one passenger whose name was not logged. That is the info I cannot veriy and wonder if or how it can be verified.
Several weeks later I went online and tried to find info on the planes etc that day to no avail. But I persisted, and in September of 2009 I found something. I don’t know if it’s anthing really relevant but it struck a nerve in me simply because of the flight number, 927, which is the date of my son’s death. On the morning of 6/25/09, 84 planes were delayed due to low ceilings (a weather condition). However, if I’m not mistaken the sky was as clear as a bell on that day. So to me that was suspicious. But what really caught my eye is that this Flight 927 was a codeshare flight which is a flight that can be booked on one airline but operated by another cooperating airline under a different flight number or code. The tickets are purchased through a marketing carrier. Anyway that’s kinda hard to explain, but what it amounts to is you could be booked as being a passenger on United airlines with connecting flights listed on other carries that you never have to make because thru codeshare you never have to actually switch planes. Long story short, <!-- s
My questions: Why is the landing status unknown?
Why are they alleginging there were visibilty issues?
Who boarded that plane?
Where the hell is Michael Jackson NOW?
After finding this stuff, it became very apparent to me why the covered ironing board they brought out and placed in the plane appeared to be flat. No one was under those covers. The ambulance picture was no doubt staged prior to the time of the announcement we got that Michael was being rushed to the hospital. He was by then already near his true destination on Flight MX927. And everythingh that ensued after that time was cover up, though quite sloppy if you ask me.
As a side note, I sent an email to the mausoleum to inquire if the crypt had been encryped yet and got the response that due to privacy we cannot divulge that info and that the mauseleum would not be open to any visitors except famiy members.
Yeah, I’ll bet. Why encrypt before the body is placed? Not there.
I believe Michael is back and living in what ever they were securing up with all that concrete at Neverland. He slipped back under radar. A safe place don’t have to be in another county or another city. Just “unknown” to others. Is anyone allowed on the Neverland property? Is it guarded in any way? I swear I am at wits end. I believe all those “concerts” or what ever they were having there were for his welcome home. And I believe during this trial, we are going to be in for some serious shockers.
Okay, stap me in. Take me away to the looney bin cause I feel like I’m at the breaking point.
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Maybe I’m reading too much into this. Perhaps, but it is driving me insane. I’ll let y’all deal with it for awhile. Driving me nuts. <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->