TIAI November 19
GodhaschosenMJ
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GodhaschosenMJ
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It is so very important to reference what MJ said in his songs, in his books, in his speeches to figure out what he could be wanting us to know about.
There IS a message. What do we believe that message is? If we believe TS, he has told us already that MJ's plan is to turn the NWO upside down, that we are in critical times (end of the world), that MJ reads his Bible daily, etc.
I feel that we are going round and round in circles sometimes (maybe it's just me LOL).
We can't feel bad for MJ and all he's gone through... that is HIS journey... he is being prepared for his part in God's plan.
I truly believe that MJ has been given the power to impact millions of lives and thank GOD he takes that responsibility very seriously. I believe he lives his life the way he does not only for himself and his family, but to be the best example he can be because he KNOWS his decisions will impact MILLIONS!
Well if you believed the world was ending, all the signs were there (corruption, greed, evil ways, eyes turning from God, etc.), and you knew you had an audience you would feel somewhat of a duty to share what you know. For instance, if you knew there was a bomb in a building and you were the only one, and there were 10 of your friends in there, wouldn't you feel a responsibility to say something? Of course! You would have to tell them! Even if they said, a bomb? Ha! You're crazy! You're over reacting! You would still want to say that you did everything in your power. That's all MJ is doing IMHO.
However, to preach at someone doesn't do anything. If you guide people through a process of self discovery, personal research, etc. They will then make up their own minds.
This is that journey again IMHO. This is the school of MJ! LOL
I'm just rambling now but want to say thank you again to Melody for a very well written and well expressed post!
I said a long time ago (with MJ's background of JWs in mind)that this was the biggest and most unusual door-knocking exercise MJ has ever undertaken! That may sound flippant, but I don't mean it to be.
@Lilwendy ---> Nice Post I wholeheartedly agree!
@ Melody---> Great Reply!
This "Hoax" is Michael's once in a lifetime "production". He is taking us through a journey of discovery where we are invited to look at information, do our own research and draw our own conclusions. This way, we are learning to "Think for ourselves" (Take responsibility for our own decisions); we are learning as much about ourselves as we are about Michael and his message.
Michael is our Teacher on the journey, we are HIS pupils!
Ultimately, we need to get read of all sorts of conditioning (Media, social systems...etc) to FREE OURSELVES ("Remember --->Prejudice is ignorance") and be able to play our part in whatever scenarios may develop in the future --- Be it the end of the World or else!
Thank You TS....... XX
With L.O.V.E
can you please tell me where can I see with my eyes Michael stating he reads Bible daily? I just want to see with my eyes. Because I've read this sentence about Michael reading the Bible daily and who said that was Ian Halperin.If you know what I mean.
As long as I don't see Michael saying with his own mouth "I read Bible daily", I don't believe it. I know it might sound harsh but it's how I think. I don't believe anybody who makes statements about him. Only he can know what he does inside his home.And I've never seen Michael with my own eyes saying he reads the Bible daily.Isn't it like this- to not believe anything you hear or see, and just because it's printed in black ink doesn't make it the gospel.
"When you hear it from my mouth, then you can believe it"- Michael
I understand what Anna and Tarja were worried about, the religious conditioning, but I don't think anyone who isn't succeptible to that kind of thing would have to worry. I can read as many bible quotes as are thrown at me, it doesn't mean I'm going to become religious. It depends on your opinion of TS I suppose. Either you think he's a very manipulative guy who is a genius at numerology, deeply religious, with inside information of sorts, who is doing all this to play with people's emotions and minds, or he is genuine but cannot say who he really is or why he is here. The redirects which are predictions of things that have actually come to pass are my main reason for believing him, the numerology and bible quotes are things anyone can/does throw around and have people make connections to the hoax and Michael in any way they please. I think the intention is for us to work together, no matter what our beliefs or our backgrounds, when something needs to be interpreted in a religious way those who are religious can take the reins but the rest of us can also try and make the connection. As for asking why God permits suffering, that's never going to yield an answer that satisfies everyone. Never has, never will. I agree fully with something my Grandpa told me once, you can never win an argument over sport, politics or religion so don't even get into one!
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Michael sings for God in "Will you be there" and does it so well that I can actually feel his faith, it's almost material, like you can touch it......
Maybe Michael doesn't even need to read the Bible daily because the Bible word is written in his heart from the beginnings.
Because joy makes us happy but doesn't help us to evolve.
Because creation comes more easy from pain than from joy.
Because pain builds while joy consumes.
Because he had faith enough to take the pain and use it to do good.
Because he is an instrument of God, the chosen one.......
Love you Michael.
Michael Jackson
On studying the Bible: 1976 "Black Stars" Magazine interview
"Each day I take time out to study the Bible, no matter where I am. The teachings of the Bible have added a new dimension to my life. It, somehow, makes me whole."
1979 Ebony Magazine
"I believe in the Bible and I try to follow the Bible. I know I’m an imperfect person… I’m not making myself an angel because I’m not an angel and I’m not a devil either. I try to be the best I can and I try to do what I think is right. It’s that simple…I don’t just pray at night. I pray at different times during the day. Whenever I see something beautiful, I say, "Oh, God, that’s beautiful." I say little prayers like that all through the day."
2003 60 Minutes TV interview with Ed Bradley
"I will never stop helping and loving people the way Jesus said to. He said "Continue to love. Always love. Remember children. Imitate the children." Not childish, but childlike."
2005 At Large with Geraldo Rivera TV Interview
"Caring. And reading the Bible, learning about God, Jesus, love. He said, 'Bring on the children', 'Imitate the children', 'Be like the children' and 'Take care of others.' Take care of old people. And we were raised with those values. Those are very important values and my family and I we were raised with those values and they continue strong in us today."
"It's important to love your neighbors. I truly think it comes from my mother and God. The way we were raised. The values my mother instilled in us in youth. She was always with the Bible teaching us - we’d go to service all the time. Four times a week, and I’m so glad we did that because those values are very important. I don’t know if I could have done as well without them."
"I try to be kind and generous and to give to people and to do what I think God wants me to do. Sometimes I pray and say "where do you want me to go next, God? What do you want me to do from here?" I’ve always been very spiritual in that way. It’s nothing new. I always have been."
Time Magazine
Seth Riggs, a vocal teacher who worked with Michael for two hours a day, 5 or 6 days a week while Michael was recording Thriller and also on subsequent projects, commented on Michael's character in a Time Magazine article. "Michael is a very special man. He would come in for his lesson and sit down and we would have a prayer and then read the Bible and then have another prayer and start to work. That's the way he liked to begin his day. Can you imagine a performer as big as Michael Jackson turning around in a lesson and discussing how wonderful God has been to him and how much he loves God?"
http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/The-Man.html
Michael Jackson Bodyguards' Q&A:
06/17/2010
Among the tidbits shared by the bodyguards? Michael Jackson cooked home-made meals for his kids, owned a chocolate lab named Kenya, read the Bible daily, used his zoo as a pick-up line, loved Subway, and even had his own Facebook account.
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/48008897.html
Did Michael Jackson read the bible?
Yes, Michael Jackson was very well read on the Bible and could quote scripture from memory.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_Michael_Jackson_read_the_bible
Anyway, trustno1 is deffinitely right when she says "you can never win an argument over sport, politics or religion so don't even get into one." It is simply something we'll never agree on, because of completely opposed views. It's something i wanted to explain and discuss about because the religious conditioning is,in my opinion, the most dangerous of all. But I leave it here, as i said everything I had to express about it.
People will always have different opinions and it's logical to be like this.
As I said before too, I am not an atheist, I have a level of spirituality too, but I don't follow Bible's rules or any rules in this world. I do not agree with following it blindly nor with Bible's conditioning. For me, the faith in a spiritual form- be it called God or Higher Force- doesn't have anything to do with reading a book of faith like the Bible or any other out there.
Michael can be closer to God and read the Bible and all, but just because he does so doesn't mean that I should follow it too. I respect his beliefs and I will never tell anybody what to believe or not, or who's wrong and who's right.It's up to everyone to decide that, based on our own consciousness and common sense.I respect him and his beliefs, but it doesn't mean I have to believe in it too. And as long as I respect his beliefs, it means he respects mine too, and won't push that on anybody. No one has the right to do so, no matter what. We are free. Freedom is my 1st rule in life and that's why I follow no rule but my own.
I put a quote from Buddah here, that speaks my beliefs and vision completely:
"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”
Michael's quote. For me that's what spirituality means. FEELING and not obeying or following Bible's rules. But here we go again.
If Michael thinks like this, that God expresses Himself in all religions, then why do we receive quotes only from the Bible? Muslims have the Koran,for example, not the Bible.And we surely have muslim people here and Michael has muslim people as fans too. Other religions might have other books of faith. Why do we receive passages only from the Bible? If Michael thinks that God has no specific form, that you feel the presence and the creation, and not in a material way?
Why don't you look for the Television Interviews yourself that I posted. These are quotes taken from interviews with Michael on television and in magazines.
It seems you don't want to admit that Michael was a very religious man for some reason but he was and there simply is no denying that. This is also Michael's hoax so what is important are his beliefs and his messages. Regardless of what TS has redirected to, I can find a multitude of quotes by Michael concerning the bible, God, his spiritual beliefs, how he believes that his music came from God and how important this all is to him. If you want to dismiss this than that is fine but then you don't know or understand Michael at all because his spirituality and his relationship with God a huge part of his life, his music, his message and this hoax.
And I am not involved with any religion nor was I raised "religious". I have my beliefs but they are not "mainstream". i consider myself spiritual.
God
It's strange that God doesn't mind expressing Himself/Herself in all the religions of the world,
while people still cling to the notion that their way is the only right way. Whatever you try to say
about God, someone will take offense, even if you say everyone's love of God is right for them.
For me the form God takes is not the most important thing. What's most important is the
essence. My songs and dances are outlines for Him to come in and fill. I hold out the form. She
puts in the sweetness.
I've looked up at the night sky and beheld the stars so intimately close, it was as if my
grandmother had made them for me. "How rich, how sumptuous," I thought. In that moment I
saw God in His creation. I could as easily have seen Her in the beauty of a rainbow, the grace of
a deer bounding through a meadow, the truth of a father's kiss. But for me the sweetest contact
with God has no form. I close my eyes, look within, and enter a deep soft silence. The infinity of
God's creation embraces me. We are one.
It's worth reading twice though, don't you think? I have great respect and admiration for MJ's deeply personal view of God. He didn't just pluck that description from 'some book' - it came from deep within his heart.
Thanks Anna for moving it here!
No it means that God, the bible, spirituality etc are all very important to Michael, this is his hoax and spirituality has played a very important role in his life and is part of the hoax. If you want to understand what is going on you have to put your beliefs to the side and place yourself in Michael's shoes. To understand the man and his hoax is to look at his life, what is important to him and from his perspective. His messages are in the music, his channelling from a higher power, his philosophy on life, his beliefs and not yours.
There is no discrimination involved at all, "This is It, Michael Jackson as you've never seen him before". Maybe what that really means is Michael Jackson is going to change how he has been perceived, no more "media created persona" but the real Michael. You have a right to beLIEve whatever you choose but without really opening your mind to what Michael believes you aren't going to get Michael's message nor understand the reasons behind the hoax; it is all connected.
I mean seriously you asked where did Michael say he read the bible daily. I posted quotes from interviews that aired on television and were published in magazines that show Michael did say he read the bible daily and you just dismiss it. You say you've seen it before. So I interpret that as, you already know all of that, yet you said you never knew he said it in your previous post.
I am not going to continue spending my time, researching something for you, that gives you the answer to your question and then have you just brush it off. It isn't up to me or anyone one else to convince you of anything. If you want to explore the possibilities do it, if you don't then don't. Your acceptance of who Michael really is, his messages and understanding this hoax are your own responsibility, especially if the answers to your question has already been given by the man himself, in his own words.
Do people know what he does after he closes the door to his room?I strictly referred to that particular statement.
He did say it...
My mother does believe in God since I know her and she told me that she never ever took the Bible in her hands. I don't think it's a rule at all
I should have never opened the subject, it's clear as daylight that the belief in God and religion has been separating people since centuries. We'll never agree on this subject and this leads just to war.
It just hurts to see that as long as I respect other's opinions, Michael's opinion and beliefs, I am somehow told to get out because I don't understand Michael's message. If Michael's message is God and belief then even then, it doesn't mean I have to convert to the idea. I respect it but I don't follow that path.
And also not all people who believe in God are Christians...
Your grandpa is so right.. and i don't even know I opened my mouth when I knew this would happen. But that's me and I am who I am. Never a non religious person will win an argument with a religious person. And if they have 1000 arguments to show me they are right and that the religion will save the world, that the Bible is God's word, I'll have 1001 arguments to say it could be very different. So, I'll take your grandpa's advice.
You know, it's not even about being religious or not. It's about the fact that religion CAN be used in a malicious way no matter how people don't want to accept it. Religious rituals and brainwashing have been among people since thousands of years. Religion is not only all good as people think. Religion at an extreme can harm and it's scary that people are not aware of it.
It is not about TS is redirecting only religious quotes lately, it's about the fact that if religion can be used ALSO in a malicious way, who can demonstrate or be sure that TS is using it in a good way? Who can be sure TS is speaking Michael's words? Who can be sure of anything? This is what I was saying since 2 days ago and no one seems to understand. It is not about the fact TS redirects to the Bible it's the fact that no one knows if TS' intention with this is good or bad, because religion can be used also with a bad intention. What I was trying to do is warn people to stop for 5 minutes and regard all the possibilities that EVERYONE who appears on the forums and states something. No matter how intelligent that someone looks. If you can't demonstrate their theories are false it doesn't mean their theories are true. There might always be the possibility that someone would appear and demonstrate it. It was just a warn, a kind of human care if you want to give it a name. Because I know what religion can do and how much it is able to harm humans if it is used with bad intentions.