TIAI December 30
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Ecclesiastes 7:1 (The Message)
Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.
The Message (MSG)
Ecclesiastes 7:1 (The Message)
Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.
The Message (MSG)
Comments
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastes
THE PURPOSE: Is life really worth living? Can I possibly find peace and purpose in this life? The author of Ecclesiastes attempts to answer these questions by proving that satisfaction in life can only be found by looking beyond this world. Ecclesiastes gives an analysis of negative themes but it also develops the positive theme of overcoming the vanities of life by fearing a God who is good, just, and sovereign (12:13-14).
(to be God-fearing in the biblical sense is not necessarily to "fear" but may be interpreted to be devout, respectful, obedient etc towards the creator and his laws.)
The message is called “words of truth,” (12:10) given by “one Shepherd” (12:11). Christ called Himself, “the truth,” “the good shepherd” (John 10:14), and “a greater than Solomon” (Luke 11:31), coming to show the true meaning of life.
http://bible.org/seriespage/%E2%80%9C-good-life%E2%80%9D-ecclesiastes-overview
So you can be wealthy but that doesn't mean you are good person at all. Your reputation is a reflection of your deeds. It is better to be recognized for the good, kind, caring compassionate etc things you have done in your life than for the amount of money you may have accumulated.
This is one of my favorite books in the Bible. That being say, the first thing that came to my mind is that the hoax is more about cleaning up Michael's reputation and bringing him back into good graces with the world than it is about making money.
And, what people do and say about you when you die is very telling in terms of how you are really thought of because people will tend to be more true to their honest feelings.
I think it's evident by the way the world reacted on June 25, 2009 that Michael is well loved around the world.
Peace
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18 It's best to stay in touch with both sides of an issue. A person who fears God deals responsibly with all of reality, not just a piece of it.
19 Wisdom puts more strength in one wise person
Than ten strong men give to a city.
20 There's not one totally good person on earth,
Not one who is truly pure and sinless
This passage may be about Michael but I felt it was more a message to all of us. That material gain, which is highly valued in our society, is not really what life is about. But that is just my take on it, of course it is open to interpretation and everything is relevant. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
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I like everything you all have said here about TS' redirect to Ecc. 7:1. The passage seems to have multiple applications and meanings for us. I went to bed thinking about Conrad Murray after having read many of the comments on TMZ. I'm working on my patience when it comes to understanding where we are now in the messy Murray debacle...
It's painful to read some of the negative, hurtful, brainless comments, and of course many people see how ridiculous Murray's defense strategy is, but many don't. Generally, Michael's reputation is of a brilliant master of music who was a tortured soul, addicted to drugs. This is hard for me to handle and it crushes me in unspeakable ways. I was trying to grapple with the lingering perception of the public in both Elvis' and Michael's "death" that they were drug addicts. I've had a hard time with why Elvis would have chosen to leave with the perception out there that he was a drug addict when apparently he was far from that, in fact, he helped to enforce drug laws and for all we know, Michael may have been doing the same thing with the DEA...who knows? Certainly, it would be considered a valiant reputation vs. the label, "drug addict."
For 33 years, the general public has thought that Elvis' died tragically due to his own weaknesses and addictions. And I think, we all have to play some part in making sure that those around us don't have a negative view of Michael based on media reports and here the seed is planted that he may have accidentally or even intentionally killed himself due to his addiction to propofol? Murray will use a defense that Michael had all kinds of addictions? We have to hear about needle marks everywhere, etc. etc? It just can't go down like that. I thought, Michael's not going to let it go down like that. His children will not grow up living with that. We must play our part now like never before. TS said "keep the faith no matter what happens!"
And that's how I woke up with "for everything there is a season..." This "defense strategy" has to be allowed before the BAM. It has to be that way. In due time, 7:1 is a blessed assurance.
This debacle of a court case will result in righting many wrongs to Michael's reputation and perhaps that is true of the Eliza court case too?
It helped me to read all of Chapter 7, Eccl. Thank you very much for this blessing today, TS.
Ecclesiastes 7 (New International Version, ©2010)
Wisdom
1 A good name is better than fine perfume,
and the day of death better than the day of birth.
2 It is better to go to a house of mourning
than to go to a house of feasting,
for death is the destiny of everyone;
the living should take this to heart.
3 Frustration is better than laughter,
because a sad face is good for the heart.
4 The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning,
but the heart of fools is in the house of pleasure.
5 It is better to heed the rebuke of a wise person
than to listen to the song of fools.
6 Like the crackling of thorns under the pot,
so is the laughter of fools.
This too is meaningless.
7 Extortion turns a wise person into a fool,
and a bribe corrupts the heart.
8 The end of a matter is better than its beginning,
and patience is better than pride.
9 Do not be quickly provoked in your spirit,
for anger resides in the lap of fools.
10 Do not say, “Why were the old days better than these?”
For it is not wise to ask such questions.
11 Wisdom, like an inheritance, is a good thing
and benefits those who see the sun.
12 Wisdom is a shelter
as money is a shelter,
but the advantage of knowledge is this:
Wisdom preserves those who have it.
13 Consider what God has done:
Who can straighten
what he has made crooked?
14 When times are good, be happy;
but when times are bad, consider this:
God has made the one
as well as the other.
Therefore, no one can discover
anything about their future.
15 In this meaningless life of mine I have seen both of these:
the righteous perishing in their righteousness,
and the wicked living long in their wickedness.
16 Do not be overrighteous,
neither be overwise—
why destroy yourself?
17 Do not be overwicked,
and do not be a fool—
why die before your time?
18 It is good to grasp the one
and not let go of the other.
Whoever fears God will avoid all extremes.[a]
19 Wisdom makes one wise person more powerful
than ten rulers in a city.
20 Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous,
no one who does what is right and never sins.
21 Do not pay attention to every word people say,
or you may hear your servant cursing you—
22 for you know in your heart
that many times you yourself have cursed others.
23 All this I tested by wisdom and I said,
“I am determined to be wise”—
but this was beyond me.
24 Whatever exists is far off and most profound—
who can discover it?
25 So I turned my mind to understand,
to investigate and to search out wisdom and the scheme of things
and to understand the stupidity of wickedness
and the madness of folly.
26 I find more bitter than death
the woman who is a snare,
whose heart is a trap
and whose hands are chains.
The man who pleases God will escape her,
but the sinner she will ensnare.
27 “Look,” says the Teacher, “this is what I have discovered:
“Adding one thing to another to discover the scheme of things—
28 while I was still searching
but not finding—
I found one upright man among a thousand,
but not one upright woman among them all.
29 This only have I found:
God created mankind upright,
but they have gone in search of many schemes.”
Just a stab in the dark, but using inclusive reckoning, there are 555 days between 6/25/09 and 12/31/10. We're probably all familiar with P Diddy's tweet now erased.
Here are some meanings of 555 that I found on the internet:
555 - When you see this sign a life changing thought or event has just occurred. You may not like it, or you may. Whatever the case your Spirit Guides are notifying you that a change in your life path direction has just occurred and it is time for you to change too. Move with it, follow these thoughts.
555 — You are in for a major change in your life. This could be any type of change and could seem negative at first glance. Maybe there are reasons it is time for you to move…neccessary for you to move but you haven’t been getting your but in gear. Change comes whether you cooperate with it or not. So possibly if you resisted the change of needing to move then possibly the change will come in the form of being required to move without a choice. At frist it all may seem distaerous and negative but could lead to the positive change that is needed.
555 Is an Odd-number which explains the Universe
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I found some interesting info on 555:
Symbolism
* Discernment of the spirits, both good and evil.
* Desire, lust.
* Swift attack.
* An expression of emotion, laughing or crying.
History
Latakia, Syria is devastated by an earthquake in 555 AD. Latakia is the Biblical Laodicea which is addressed as one of the seven churches in Revelation. It's criticized for being neither hot or cold but lukewarm (Revelation 3:14-19). The Laodiceans are also referenced in Colossians. The Epistle to the Laodiceans mentioned in Colossians 4:14 is thought to have been lost.
Gematria
The Hebrew contraction הַנֶּ֨שֶׁר adds up to 555. הַנֶּ֨שֶׁר is translated as "an eagle" and is transliterated as hanesher. Not to be confused with the Hebrew נֶּ֨שֶׁר (nesher) which is translated as just "eagle" and has a sum of 550.
The specific structure which adds to 555 can be found in Proverbs 30 where it takes on a negative connotation when compared to "the way of a man with a maid" and "an adulterous woman [who claims] no wickedness" (Proverbs 30:19-20). This context evokes an image of lust and hidden sin.
It is said that an eagle will hover gracefully before attacking it's prey swiftly -- much like the lustful man hovering over his maid and the adulterous woman who makes quick work of her meal. The swift attack of an eagle (555) can also be found in Hosea 8:1, Deuteronomy 28:49, and Ezekiel 17:3. Interestingly, Israel Aircraft Industries developed the Nesher fighter plane in the 1970s; it was soon replaced by the U.S. made F-15 Eagle.
Isopsephy
The Greek διάκρισις adds up to 555. διάκρισις is translated as "discernment" and transliterated as diakrisis. See 1 Corinthians 12:10, Hebrews 5:14.
The Greek ἐπιθυμία adds up to 555. ἐπιθυμία is translated as "desire" or "lust" and is transliterated as epithumia. See Mark 4:19, Luke 22:15, James 1:15, 1 John 2:16-17, etc. From ἐπί epi "in" and θυμιάω thumiaó "to burn", with root θύω thuó "sacrifice", "slay", "kill".
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The Number 555 - Walking with God
And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Genesis 5 (vs. 5)
The idea of walking - Heh KeyWord pic (Halekh = 55) - is closely related to the Number 5 (cf. Spoke 5 article Walking with God.
We also have a strong link to the Rulers of the Government, as discussed under the Number 550.
The Number 555
And Enoch walked [Gen 5.24]
The people who walked in darkness [Is 9.2]
Desire, lust [1Joh 2.16]
Discerning [G1253]
Hand of Israel [Jud 3.30]
The Eagle [Pro 30.19]
The Rulers
The kingdoms of nations [Is 13.4]
Before the king (Full) [Est 1.11]
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We're still at the dash. The actual death date of Michael Jackson has not yet occurred. Until that fateful day -- that I hope is many decades in the future -- I pray his strength in the Lord.
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Very interesting comments...
Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.
I totally agree to not take anything for granted. A fat bank account can rapidly melt like snow under the sun. Wealths and powers have been destroyed since the beginning of time and if one built his/her life exclusively on the accumulation of the material things of this world then he has no share in what is everlasting. A good reputation is far better because not material and hence can't physically melt like snow under the sun, a good reputation is more solid than any material things.
The death date tells more because when you die this is the time where people recognizes the man or woman you really are/were. Death "materializes" the good reputation, it makes it more real, more present and of course missed.
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The second part emphasizes the fact that Michael's death date is numerology-stamped so yes it tells a LOT in terms of Michael being still alive and that it is all a hoax (6+25+2009=2040) ... but we know it already ... so this must be for something else ... what can this date tell us more than the fact that Michael is alive? The birth date tells something too maybe?
I agree with your interpretation Sarahli - and I would even go further in saying that no sins can be justified by the need for money! Reputation is everything and needs to be defended!
When Michael "died" many many millions showed their Love for him and this had nothing to do with "money" but with Michael's reputation as a genuine Loving and caring person.
Michael restoration of His reputation is well on the way.
The "Death Date" is indeed much more meaningful in this case as it can be proven to be no coincidence through numerology, Michael's birth date has been questioned a number of times but no conclusions were drawn.
I still find it fascinating that the Pepsi accident is EXACTLY mid way through Michael's "life"... and TS you have NEVER said anything about it, will you give me an answer if I ask You WHY?
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With L.O.V.E
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I also liked E 7.8:
"The end of a matter is better than its beginning,
and patience is better than pride."
Thank you for all the patience and for reminding us of that value as well.
Thanks to all of you who help bring all those specs of lights into the darkess. It's like each of you bringing a candle and brightening the darkness.
@ladymjc: Thanks for the great numerology analysis. I am such an idiot at it- but you lay it out so even I can follow.
I think the re-direct also points out that at birth- we have prediction and promise. Upon death- we have a review of the life lost and a sort of evaluation of the promise given. As you guys pointed out, when Michael "died," the world saw an outpouring of love and refocusing on all he has given. People who had been silent, stood up in their support and spoke out for him and their love for him. One of the main lessons is to keep this message in our lives: to live each day in a way that would make us proud at the end. Tomorrow is now; we need to lay the foundations now- every day, with every word and every action.
My New Year's Resolution: to honor and appreciate every day the people and things that I have been blessed with in my life. And to make sure that I live in a way that makes my life a blessing to others. (well, as a social worker I do not have to worry about that wealth aspect- so I might as well continue to work on the reputation part.. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ) HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
Since the redirection is made during this holidays, I have a doubt.
Could this quote relate to the date when Christ was born?
It is said that Jesus was born around September (if one follows the textes when comes to the shepperds i.e) and that the date December 25th was just settled.
Could this redirection point towards MJs birth date not being the correct one? So Michael´s really birth as a man living a life starts from June 25th 2009? a New Michael? Reborn after his death?
In fact, we have learned and studied Michael ,the man, much more in detail after his death, we became to slowly know him, piece by piece.
June 25th is a new date telling who is Michael, a man better know by his actions than by his bankacount by now.
Agree with you both. Thank you for this redirect TS.
Is that it is not an important thing? The date of his death..., says more than your birth date.
Won't that birthday, it will be, holding, men commandments? What pagan customs adopted the churches of Christendom?, as for example 25 of dicienbre.
A good reputation is best one bank account, importantly as we will be remembered by our reputation and good works.
So much wisdom in only a few words. A lot of wise comments already made here.
Only hours separate us from a new year, a time when people contemplate about the past year and think about what the new year might bring, and nobody knows.
Don't Take Anything for Granted
Things may not remain the way, they were before. Change can happen anytime, for the good or the bad.
We wish each other a Happy New Year in the hope of achieving happiness, peace and understanding and often we have to admit, we 'can't take anything for granted'.
If we follow the example of Elvis and Michael, we see two humble human beings who touched others just by their appearance and their inner light, their aura. Not everyone was able to see it, only the "enlightened", some only after their "deaths", when they suddenly realized, how much they had been mislead by reports, which had shed a bad light on the two of them, who had become victims of a bad press.
Their reputation was in shambles, they were called drug addicts, one even a pedophile. They suffered and were deeply hurt by all the wrong allegations.
Times have changed and the bad press seems very silent.
The symbolic Bible verses are cited, Jesus' suffering comes into our minds. He was crucified and ridiculed, but rose as a king.
Are our heroes prophets, sent our way to guide us and help us to see things in a clearer light? Quite a few said they have learned since their "death" occured, they have become more aware of things around them, have developed new pespectives in their own lives. Would anyone have told them they would have matured so much in such a short time, many would have brushed it aside in disbelief.
Both Michael and Elvis had it all, 'a fat bank account' as well as debts. Leeches were around them bloodsucking them until they could hardly stand it anymore. There were reports of them having been threatened, "taken care of" by bodyguards, who treated them badly and took away their freedom. They were controlled in every move they made, not everyone had access to them. And why? Not, because those who did this to them, loved and cherished them. They were interested in having a fat share of their bank account.
Their good reputation had to be destroyed in order for the world to see what weak creatures they were.
I don't believe in any of the drug-addiction stories. They may have been drugged against their will.
Both were against drugs, only for medical purposes. They were fighting drugs, you never know, they might be doing it still undercover and had to have a new identity not to be detected.
They could buy everything money could buy, yet they felt, there was more to life than wealth. They were well-read and spiritually interested. The bloodsuckers and those who tried to harm them, wanted to prevent them from becoming too spiritual. They had to function as a money machine. Elvis' books should be burned and Michael's library was destroyed.
Naturally You've left traces when you die, whereas your life-book is empty when you're born.
If the two had to escape from danger, still unknown to most, their new life, new identity began with their death date.
LMP's written words were that He Knew and that their death was following the exact same pattern and she was devastated. What did she mean? A lot of speculation had been going on to decipher the meaning.
Elvis and Michael had spent a long time of their lives on stage, being adored and seen as stars with an image created by their performance, their managers, their charisma.
It could have well been, they needed a break from the glitter and glamour, not to be burnt out too soon.
Many of us have experienced themselves in just one and half years, how much of a rollercoaster it can be.
They were in the limelight, every single move was watched and registrated, often misinterpretated.
The image had to be replaced by something else. If that was the case, their death date might have been the begining of a new awareness, a re-birth in order to survive, either literally or mentally.
If only we Knew.
Anyhow, whatever the reason for their disappearing was, I just hope they are safe now and have a good new year with all their dreams fulfilled.