TIAI January 6
GodhaschosenMJ
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Paramedics as testigying did not recogonize the patient to be michael jackson .....
Paramedics as testigying did not recogonize the patient to be michael jackson .....
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IF there WAS a body there...maybe that explains the "looked like a hospice patient"... because the body was one. Someone who had recently died but not before volunteering his dying body...someone who was sick and frail and of course didn't resemble Michael Jackson. A brave soul who knew he wouldn't live and offered what help he could?
I don't believe there was any actual body though. I think this is a fabricated story.
Ya that part always bothered me - whether there was a body there that day or not.
To me an actual dead body is an actual crime. It's a crime to pass off a dead person as someone they are not, that's not a little thing either that's a big crime, federal and such. I have a hard time believing that he would be so careful about legality elsewhere in this hoax and let mishandling of a corpse and etc involved with that hang over his come back.
That's true as well, which leads me to believe if the emt's were deceived and unknowing parties in the hoax, that it was MJ himself playing dead on that stretcher. Which is possible considering Murray's reported "constant interference" at the scene, but same time doesn't explain the ambulance pic (which also shows one handed cpr by emt).
Isn't the ambulance pic fake according to Brian Oxman?
*Loophole
Oxman was 99.9%* sure it was a fake in his opinion*.
The counter theory is that the EMTs are in on it which is prob most likely of all considering the 911 call almost certainly has to be fake and real emts don't come when you call the fake 911, lol.
*I think* for what that's worth, that the EMTs are in on it and the body is a dummy and the ambulance pic is real because its the MJ mannequin from the Leave Me Alone Video.
That makes perfect sense. I''ve not seen that video that much (Leave Me Alone). I will in order to see the mannequin. They could have also made a new mannequin, you know...an update version. Just a thought! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
What if Michael did contact Dr von Hagens but not to discuss being Plastinated but actually met with him to procure a body or bodies for the hoax. This man has access to all kinds of corpses.
I also remember the old clue giver JCC saying "Germany is key" or something like that.
In the case of a decoy body, how illegal would it be if the deceased had changed names by deed poll. Michael Jackson is not a rare name. Just thinking out loud. I have never thought there was another body, but those paramedics testifying that they didn't recognize the deceased as being THE Michael Jackson is causing me to at least entertain some differing scenarios in my hoax assumptions. It doesn't seem plausable that there was another body, but that would mean there are a lot of people in on the hoax.
Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted without proper paperwork and documentation.
I'm using total speculation to render that one implausible.
Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.
Now I am just going off on tangents here.
Everything on this entire forum is speculation.
I think this is too risky and disrespectful. The mannequin theory sounds better or the EMT's being part of the hoax. Just my opinion.
You're completely right. I actually meant "I'm using total speculation to render that one implausible", which is why I edited it. I wrote it in a conversational sense and it didn't come across in type properly.
Even with your correction to a body donated for plastination is in my opinion cumbersome for the hoax and implausible. It's also super macabre with someone else's body which is not really the PR thing he seems to be going for in all this.
Using a body of another person like this is a crime.
Any chance of the body being a wax doll? ANOTHER Elvis parallell? At this point it wouldn't surprises me.
Yes of course. Plenty of MJ wax figures around. And then the Lou Feregno statement shortl;y after 6/25 saying MJ liked to fool people by sending mannequins off in ambulances. You don't say Lou? I like the dummy theory more n more, but it does cancel out the sits up on stretcher pics as fake then doesn't it.
Bummer.
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How is it a crime?
The person isn't murdered or anything, they already died and donated their body to this Doctor.
The body could have been returned to him after the autopsy and then plastinated.
No one would ever know.
So how else do you get a body for an autopsy then?
One thing is to donate the body for academic purposes or whatever it is. The person/instituition is responsible for it, but it's not owner of it, doing whatever they want with it. They couldn't just borrow the body for MJ for a while to do whatever he had to do.
I don't know about the laws of USA, but I'm pretty sure that if I get a body from my university (who is there for academic purposes) to do whatever I need, I'll be in serious trouble. Legal trouble.
Well, who knows from wich body the autopsy came? It could be fake. I even remember someone here saying that could be the body of a dog. It could be lots of things. We will continue speculating until the truth comes out.