Islam Existed Before Muhammad Was Born

peacock7peacock7 Posts: 147
edited January 1970 in References & Similarities
Everyone, I read up on the subject title years ago when I first read up on Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam.

Surely, Michael has read up on both links. He is proud of his African American heritage, and he knows that "As it was in the beginning - so it shall be in the end."

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This is one of my favorite web links of all time. MJ knows of the Moors' History, and about how HIStory the way we were taught is packed with lies and deception. One of the first groups to use swords and rifles.

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By the way, in O-BEE's video "Wanna Be Starting Something" - right after the break when one just hears MJ's music playing, O-BEE is seen standing still as if pointing a Gun. He purses his lips like MJ often did. It's like he is mocking/mimicking the evil ones that funked with his father - and it's like he is saying , "Get back. Back the funk up off of my father. You ain't gonna mess with him no more. I'll shoot/kill your motherscratching azzes if you try to funk with him again - for them days are over."

He reminds me of the Italians that believe the son when coming of age - should avenge a family member's (especially father's) death/murder if it is the last thing said one does. Other ethnic groups believe(d) the same. He is showing anyone that sees that video that it is about avenging/revenge. Some think he is doing it because MJ is "dead, and that he is signifying that he wants to avenge his murder. MJ is alive of course - so O-BEE also represents A-LIVE MJ and the MESSAGE he wants out there. "It's time to step together and give them all we owe." They are no longer playing that Devil's game. "We comin', we comin' to break 'em down."

Needless to say, my mouth fell open when I saw that. Plus Omer has a blackbelt - so he wants to give off the aura that he will hurt someone in order to protect his pops now - for he is a grown man willing to AVENGE and PAYBACK with a REVENGE. They all mean business these days. They are going to play by MJ's rules these days, and no one ever will harm him again. I think MJ is saying, "I'm willing to die in order to protect what is mine, to include my life."

Cause it's the Genesis Adventure, from a Master of Excellence and is One Victorious Entertainment Revenge. Don't think Omer doesn't know B. Howard and about the GAME OVER photo and about how MJ has been and is helping Evan Ross, Austin Brown and on and on - cause he is all over the place.
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  • PureLovePureLove Posts: 5,891
    I didn't read the entire links you gave but I'm a Muslim myself and the title you made is definitely NOT true. Nation of Islam call themselves Muslims but I don't really understand why. They believe a book they wrote themselves, they do not believe Quran. They have their own rules and they believe their own prophet. Islam was born with Muhammad and this is what is believed in Islam.
  • SarahliSarahli Posts: 4,265
    As for the founder of Islam:

    Sura 22 "Pilgrimage"
    22:78 "You shall strive for the cause of GOD as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practicing your religion-the religion of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you "Submitters" originally. Thus, the messenger shall serve as a witness among you, and you shall serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Contact Prayers and give the obligatory charity, and hold fast to GOD; He is your Lord, the best Lord and the best Supporter."
  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
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    All I know is I've read in the past and agree with much of the huge amount of info John Moore gives on this site, and others similar to it. Below is a good introductory on his stuff generally:
    <!-- m -->http://blackhistoryjohnmoore.bravehost.com/index.html<!-- m -->
    I don't believe Omer is Michael's son, but MJ loves him like a son, as he has done many other children/adults under his influence. But I agree Omer's tough-boy stance of loyalty to MJ is showing his absolute love and is good to see. (Neither is MJ a muslim but loves people of all faiths. ) He's universal! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
  • PureLovePureLove Posts: 5,891
    http://blackhistoryjohnmoore.bravehost.com/moors.html
    All I know is I've read in the past and agree with much of the huge amount of info John Moore gives on this site, and others similar to it. Below is a good introductory on his stuff generally:
    <!-- m -->http://blackhistoryjohnmoore.bravehost.com/index.html<!-- m -->
    I don't believe Omer is Michael's son, but MJ loves him like a son, as he has done many other children/adults under his influence. But I agree Omer's tough-boy stance of loyalty to MJ is showing his absolute love and is good to see. (Neither is MJ a muslim but loves people of all faiths. ) He's universal! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->

    Exactly. Agreed. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
  • peacock7peacock7 Posts: 147
    I didn't read the entire links you gave but I'm a Muslim myself and the title you made is definitely NOT true. Nation of Islam call themselves Muslims but I don't really understand why. They believe a book they wrote themselves, they do not believe Quran. They have their own rules and they believe their own prophet. Islam was born with Muhammad and this is what is believed in Islam.

    I'm sorry but I didn't say that the title was given by the Nation of Islam. I got the title from that link, and said that I've read up on the fact that Islam was practiced before Muhammad was born. Some believe that it is the original religion. I respect that opinion, but I believe in the Kametic teachings. I understand that the Nation of Islam founded by Elijah Muhammad is not Orthodox. I didn't mean to offend. I meant to show that the Original Islam has been around long before many think.

    Malcolm X, after his trip to Mecca disagreed with the teaching of Elijah Muhammad.

    MJonmind - that is your prerogative to not believe that Omer is MJ's son. I almost feel sorry for you (but don't truly) and others that disses Michael like that. You hear him call his SON Little Michael and Little Monkey. Maybe you are insinutating that Omer was just some kid MJ picked up to live with him at Neverland as his boy toy - and just started calling him Little Michael/Little Monkey. Riz Bhatti also calls him Little Michael.

    MJ stated in 2004 that Omer was from a one night stand with a fan. You hear Omer call him dada and dad. A MSNBC article stated that the Jacksons learned of Little Michael in 1992 from Austin, and that Elizabeth Taylor introduced MJ to Omer's mother. Joe Jackson, the father and grandfather stated that Omer is MJ's son. Omer says in song - "Dont be mad cause I'm from a king's bloodline." Omer is in the Jackson Family Portrait - as he is also in the Michael Jackson family portrait with Prince, Omer and MJ before Paris was born. And the likes of you are better than them? I mean no direct harm to you - but it puzzles me why some would feel so inclined to insinuate such things and diss the main players that KNOW THE TRUTH. Is MJ crazy? Is he out of touch with his God and the kid is not his son?

    And the picture below proves that MJ spit him out. You must don't know genetics as they have the same eyes, teeth, nose, jawline and etc. MJ seems to be leaning up and Omer back - and it is a great contrast that matches them up perfectly. Clearly any astute person can tell that Omer is bi-racial. Notice his 5:00 shadow is of black hair and more so than his Pops.

    You are the one with the problem. It is on you. Never mind that there are literally hundreds of comparison videos on you tube showing them side by side as yound boys and teens. The pic when they both ride up on the jet ski before going parasailing on that video I posted the other day - shows that Omer looks just like him. May haps, you need to pray and ask God why you feel the need to be so arrogant and negative to where you think you know better than MJ, his father and Omer. And that you have the right to actually CALL THEM ALL LIARS by disputing what the people listed above have to say about the subject. You may need to seek a therapist about it. You and others can almost be classified as haters on this issue for - YOU HAVE NO GROUND TO STAND ON AS YOUR OPINION MATTERS NOT AS IT STANDS UP TO MICHAEL'S - HIS FATHER'S OR OMER'S FACTS AND DNA.

    It really has nothing to do with people's opinions on the subject based on what is above. It has to do with RESPECTING what MJ has stated OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH in 2004, what his father said in 2009 and what Omer rapped about in 2010. MJ was on his Wanna Be Starting Something video. He walks in at :08 seconds - and his hand is shown at 1:19. And each and every one of those words O-BEE raps on song are MJs.

    It has to do with who you must be counting on to give you the so-called facts you have on the subject? You are basing this wrong opinion on what the lying media has said about MJ? Maybe you think he couldn't get it done? Please add your name to the list of people that MJ will prove so many truths to that it is not even funny.

    It's neither here nor there, and I will not debate the subject with you. You have the right to feel that way, but you are wrong and lost. You don't know or respect MJ or his heart. You and others that declare such foolishness for no real and true reason (other than you think you have the right to call Michael a liar) need to look in the mirror. You can't be wrapped too tight to actually think that you have the right to INSINUATE THAT MICHAEL JUST PICKED UP A CHILD TO MENTOR AND CARE ABOUT - because he was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.............................what? Please don't answer me - for I won't answer you. It just boils my blood. I will defend this til the end because you are no better than any and everyone that has lied on MJ. I know I have MJ, his father, Omer, Rebbie & God on my side.

    I have the right to mention what I want in this thread because I started it, but if you or anyone else want to debate this issue, please take it to Omer's thread. Please don't come back in here with it. Again I can mention Omer all I want to - and will always do it because HE IS MJ'S FIRSTBORN SON - AND THERE IS NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT. It is up to Souza to censor me. I love me some Little Michael/Little Monkey/Lil Moon Boy (that is part of the logo at Neverland) Omer and O-BEE.

    STAY ASLEEP - FOR YOU ARE HURTING NO ONE BUT YOURSELF. LOOK IN THE MIRROR & MEASURE YOUR HEART - AND ASK YOURSELF AND GOD WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS WITH MJ ACKNOWLEDGING - PROVIDING FOR, CLAIMING AND LOVING HIS SON. THAT IS A REAL REAL MAN RIGHT THERE.

    He could have been the type to pay off the womand never to see his son again. That is not how MJ rolls. Sorry.

    Btw, before I forget, for the ones interested below are O-BEE and Chris Tucker in Obee''s & Jae-R song about A Toast. Chris is in it. It sounds like MJ is laughing at the end - and that is part of the reason I think he forgave Chris if there was anything to forgive in the first place.

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    Please skip to 3:31 & 3:51 in video - and see Omer's Thriller MJ smile. I knew when I first saw this that he is Michael's as I also knew upon seeing him sitting with the family in the front row.

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  • MissGMissG Posts: 7,403
    Excuse peacock, but, does it matter if Omer is or not Michael´s son? I for instance I never heard Michael nor Omer talking openly about it. Why would Michael not tell openly to people that Omer is his son?

    Joe said that Omer is a Jackson...but who´s Jackson? May be not Michaels...
  • peacock7peacock7 Posts: 147
    He did put it out there in 2004 - but FAUX/Fox news shot it down just like the evil ones that mind controlled MJ and drugged him tried to discredit him with anything MJ. They didn't want MJ to appear normal. Joe Jackson did say that Omer was MJ's - and Omer for sure copped to it. HE SAID MJ RAISED HIM AND THE BLOODLINE THING. They are not the liars here - so may haps the ones that don't believe them are (for no good & Godly reason) are. The non-believers on this are lost souls and are the ones with the problem. It truly is borderline insanity and evil. And you sure don't know anything about bi-racial children.

    Omer was there when Neverland got busted. MJ protected his son - period. Use critical thinking.

    Please take this discussion somewhere else. I mean for this to be about Islam & the Moors.
  • MissGMissG Posts: 7,403
    You are the one talking about it. I am not willing to go on with this discussion anyway. I don´t care about the gossip.
  • suspicious mindsuspicious mind Posts: 5,984
    humm well it sounds like debbie didn't know. and i guess michael must not have seen fit to clear it up with her either.
    bacl to the topic . here is a perspective i ran across. can't say if it is fact or fiction as i wasn't there.
    <!-- m -->http://therefinersfire.org/ishmael_and_isaac.htm<!-- m -->
  • PureLovePureLove Posts: 5,891
    I didn't read the entire links you gave but I'm a Muslim myself and the title you made is definitely NOT true. Nation of Islam call themselves Muslims but I don't really understand why. They believe a book they wrote themselves, they do not believe Quran. They have their own rules and they believe their own prophet. Islam was born with Muhammad and this is what is believed in Islam.

    I'm sorry but I didn't say that the title was given by the Nation of Islam. I got the title from that link, and said that I've read up on the fact that Islam was practiced before Muhammad was born. Some believe that it is the original religion. I respect that opinion, but I believe in the Kametic teachings. I understand that the Nation of Islam founded by Elijah Muhammad is not Orthodox. I didn't mean to offend. I meant to show that the Original Islam has been around long before many think.

    I'm not offended peacock. I wanted to explain the difference btw Nation of Islam and real Islam. I respect your opinion but according to our belief it is like the way I wrote. Blessings.
  • SarahliSarahli Posts: 4,265
    humm well it sounds like debbie didn't know. and i guess michael must not have seen fit to clear it up with her either.
    bacl to the topic . here is a perspective i ran across. can't say if it is fact or fiction as i wasn't there.
    <!-- m -->http://therefinersfire.org/ishmael_and_isaac.htm<!-- m -->

    If only people just followed the Word of God.......

    2:136 Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."
  • ROFLROFL Posts: 530
    hmmm Interesting title...
    I agree with you sarahli
    THE RELIGION OF ISLAM

    The first thing that one should know and clearly understand about Islam is what the word "Islam" itself means. The religion of Islam is not named after a person as in the case of Christianity which was named after Jesus Christ, Buddhism after Gotama Buddha, Confucianism after Confucius, and Marxism after Karl Marx. Nor was it named after a tribe like Judaism after the tribe of Judah and Hinduism after the Hindus. Islam is the true religion of "Allah" and as such, its name represents the central principle of Allah's "God's" religion; the total submission to the will of Allah "God". The Arabic word "Islam" means the submission or surrender of one's will to the only true god worthy of worship "Allah" and anyone who does so is termed a "Muslim", The word also implies "peace" which is the natural consequence of total submission to the will of Allah. Hence, it was not a new religion brought by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) I in Arabia in the seventh century, but only the true religion of Allah re-expressed in its final form.

    Islam is the religion which was given to Adam, the first man and the first prophet of Allah, and it was the religion of all the prophets sent by Allah to mankind. The name of God's religion lslam was not decided upon by later generations of man. It was chosen by Allah Himself and clearly mentioned in His final revelation to man.
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  • paula-cpaula-c Posts: 7,221
    I think that when the end of all this is not going to have doubts about the learning that we are having.
  • I didn't read the entire links you gave but I'm a Muslim myself and the title you made is definitely NOT true. Nation of Islam call themselves Muslims but I don't really understand why. They believe a book they wrote themselves, they do not believe Quran. They have their own rules and they believe their own prophet. Islam was born with Muhammad and this is what is believed in Islam.

    I was born into a Christian family, but it was never forced on me by my parents. I find it better when children aren't told only one side of the story just so they are more likely to find their own individual path. I'm going to start reading the Qur'an pretty soon after I finish my current book. I've been very curious about it for awhile so I can't wait.
  • peacock7peacock7 Posts: 147
    Hello Everyone. Interesting info. Thanks.

    Because of Malcolm X, I named my daughter Mecca - mostly because I like the name. I was thinking about Medina but Mecca won the day. She is a wonderful young lady, sweet, bright and caring. Needless to say, I would lay down my life for her.

    I found the below piece interesting.

    <!-- m -->http://www.unfilteredhistory.com/blog/u ... e-world-2/<!-- m -->

    I know that was MJ's laugh at the end of Jae-R & O-Bee's song "A Toast." If it wasn't MJ's, it was Omer's, and he sounds just like MJ. The beginning of the laugh, when this machine gun sounding laugh happens, it reminds me of MJ's laugh on the Brotherly Fun video when Tito told Marlon that if he kept riding his Moped the way he did, he was going to fly right over a mountain. Little Mikey cracked up at that and made that sound. <!-- slolol/ -->lolol/<!-- slolol/ -->

    Maybe it's just me, but that was MJ's idea. A Toast to continue commencing the HOAX. I love the gulping sound of the drink being poured into a glass (more like a foot tub). It is really something else. There is a video with the lyrics - and one lyric has that Dr. O cut a throat (and I got the anecdote - hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - like BAM) - or something along those lines. So we have DOC Murray - DOC X & DOC O. Wowser.

    I also wonder if Jae-R & O-Bee's song "Under Pressure" was written by MJ. The song refers to them keeping somebody Under Pressure. No one can do it like Michael Jackson. Those two (Jae-R & O-Bee) have a good flow and clean rapping ability.

    Chris Tucker was the Master of Ceremonies. Lol "Throw down for the peoplez."

    By the way, Diana's Ross's last Official Tour was titled - This Is It. Then she came back with her "Blue" CD (probably was feeling blue with the trial) with the cover pic of her looking just like MJ's Invincible cover pic. That same year, "I Love You" was released. Bless her heart. She probably went thru hell praying for MJ during the trial - and on verdict day - my God! I bet she could hardly breathe.

    Happy week everyone, and cheers. A Toast - to you.
  • suspicious mindsuspicious mind Posts: 5,984
    I didn't read the entire links you gave but I'm a Muslim myself and the title you made is definitely NOT true. Nation of Islam call themselves Muslims but I don't really understand why. They believe a book they wrote themselves, they do not believe Quran. They have their own rules and they believe their own prophet. Islam was born with Muhammad and this is what is believed in Islam.

    I was born into a Christian family, but it was never forced on me by my parents. I find it better when children aren't told only one side of the story just so they are more likely to find their own individual path. I'm going to start reading the Qur'an pretty soon after I finish my current book. I've been very curious about it for awhile so I can't wait.


    i have gained a curiosity about the Qur'an also since (virtually) meeting muslims here in the forum. i have thought that i might begin to read it . i think it would be wise to have the same knowledge of it that i have with the bible ( in as not to allow anyone else to interprete for me what it says) but i have to wonder if it has been translated , how do i know that is what it really said to begin with? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
  • I didn't read the entire links you gave but I'm a Muslim myself and the title you made is definitely NOT true. Nation of Islam call themselves Muslims but I don't really understand why. They believe a book they wrote themselves, they do not believe Quran. They have their own rules and they believe their own prophet. Islam was born with Muhammad and this is what is believed in Islam.
    I was born into a Christian family, but it was never forced on me by my parents. I find it better when children aren't told only one side of the story just so they are more likely to find their own individual path. I'm going to start reading the Qur'an pretty soon after I finish my current book. I've been very curious about it for awhile so I can't wait.
    i have gained a curiosity about the Qur'an also since (virtually) meeting muslims here in the forum. i have thought that i might begin to read it . i think it would be wise to have the same knowledge of it that i have with the bible ( in as not to allow anyone else to interprete for me what it says) but i have to wonder if it has been translated , how do i know that is what it really said to begin with? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
    I have the Qur'an A Guide and Mercy, Translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. I did some research before getting it and it says its the most popular translation with English speaking Muslims in the world and is the most reliable. Off topic, I'm also going to read what is said to be the most accurate book of the Buddha's teachings from the Pali Canon (since the Buddha never wrote his teachings down) by Bhikkhu Bodhi. Out of all religions, I find Buddhism to be the most natural for me because it says that God is inward not outward and that if you seek the Buddha, you are the Buddha <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->. I have read both Old and New Testaments and would like to read the Torah and about the Hindu Gods, and the Bahai Faith is beautiful, too. I think thats where MJ got the words "turn our swords into plowshares" which was said by Baha'u'llah, the leader of Bahai Faith (which believes in the unity of all religions and people). Currently, I'm reading a book about Sioux Indian culture and religion. I have a lot to read <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> but I find it so important to know things for yourself before any judgement is made. The people and the research on this site have really strengthened that belief of mine, too.
    <!-- sbearhug -->bearhug<!-- sbearhug -->
  • suspicious mindsuspicious mind Posts: 5,984
    I didn't read the entire links you gave but I'm a Muslim myself and the title you made is definitely NOT true. Nation of Islam call themselves Muslims but I don't really understand why. They believe a book they wrote themselves, they do not believe Quran. They have their own rules and they believe their own prophet. Islam was born with Muhammad and this is what is believed in Islam.
    I was born into a Christian family, but it was never forced on me by my parents. I find it better when children aren't told only one side of the story just so they are more likely to find their own individual path. I'm going to start reading the Qur'an pretty soon after I finish my current book. I've been very curious about it for awhile so I can't wait.
    i have gained a curiosity about the Qur'an also since (virtually) meeting muslims here in the forum. i have thought that i might begin to read it . i think it would be wise to have the same knowledge of it that i have with the bible ( in as not to allow anyone else to interprete for me what it says) but i have to wonder if it has been translated , how do i know that is what it really said to begin with? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
    I have the Qur'an A Guide and Mercy, Translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. I did some research before getting it and it says its the most popular translation with English speaking Muslims in the world and is the most reliable. Off topic, I'm also going to read what is said to be the most accurate book of the Buddha's teachings from the Pali Canon (since the Buddha never wrote his teachings down) by Bhikkhu Bodhi. Out of all religions, I find Buddhism to be the most natural for me because it says that God is inward not outward and that if you seek the Buddha, you are the Buddha <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->. I have read both Old and New Testaments and would like to read the Torah and about the Hindu Gods, and the Bahai Faith is beautiful, too. I think thats where MJ got the words "turn our swords into plowshares" which was said by Baha'u'llah, the leader of Bahai Faith (which believes in the unity of all religions and people). Currently, I'm reading a book about Sioux Indian culture and religion. I have a lot to read <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> but I find it so important to know things for yourself before any judgement is made. The people and the research on this site have really strengthened that belief of mine, too.
    <!-- sbearhug -->bearhug<!-- sbearhug -->

    isiah 2:4
  • I didn't read the entire links you gave but I'm a Muslim myself and the title you made is definitely NOT true. Nation of Islam call themselves Muslims but I don't really understand why. They believe a book they wrote themselves, they do not believe Quran. They have their own rules and they believe their own prophet. Islam was born with Muhammad and this is what is believed in Islam.
    I was born into a Christian family, but it was never forced on me by my parents. I find it better when children aren't told only one side of the story just so they are more likely to find their own individual path. I'm going to start reading the Qur'an pretty soon after I finish my current book. I've been very curious about it for awhile so I can't wait.
    i have gained a curiosity about the Qur'an also since (virtually) meeting muslims here in the forum. i have thought that i might begin to read it . i think it would be wise to have the same knowledge of it that i have with the bible ( in as not to allow anyone else to interprete for me what it says) but i have to wonder if it has been translated , how do i know that is what it really said to begin with? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
    I have the Qur'an A Guide and Mercy, Translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. I did some research before getting it and it says its the most popular translation with English speaking Muslims in the world and is the most reliable. Off topic, I'm also going to read what is said to be the most accurate book of the Buddha's teachings from the Pali Canon (since the Buddha never wrote his teachings down) by Bhikkhu Bodhi. Out of all religions, I find Buddhism to be the most natural for me because it says that God is inward not outward and that if you seek the Buddha, you are the Buddha <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->. I have read both Old and New Testaments and would like to read the Torah and about the Hindu Gods, and the Bahai Faith is beautiful, too. I think thats where MJ got the words "turn our swords into plowshares" which was said by Baha'u'llah, the leader of Bahai Faith (which believes in the unity of all religions and people). Currently, I'm reading a book about Sioux Indian culture and religion. I have a lot to read <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> but I find it so important to know things for yourself before any judgement is made. The people and the research on this site have really strengthened that belief of mine, too. <!-- sbearhug -->bearhug<!-- sbearhug -->
    isiah 2:4

    Uh oh! I need to brush up on my Bible <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> It seems there a few people who appreciate this scripture <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> I've even heard a radical right winger call it a Communist slogan.
  • SarahliSarahli Posts: 4,265
    I didn't read the entire links you gave but I'm a Muslim myself and the title you made is definitely NOT true. Nation of Islam call themselves Muslims but I don't really understand why. They believe a book they wrote themselves, they do not believe Quran. They have their own rules and they believe their own prophet. Islam was born with Muhammad and this is what is believed in Islam.

    I was born into a Christian family, but it was never forced on me by my parents. I find it better when children aren't told only one side of the story just so they are more likely to find their own individual path. I'm going to start reading the Qur'an pretty soon after I finish my current book. I've been very curious about it for awhile so I can't wait.


    i have gained a curiosity about the Qur'an also since (virtually) meeting muslims here in the forum. i have thought that i might begin to read it . i think it would be wise to have the same knowledge of it that i have with the bible ( in as not to allow anyone else to interprete for me what it says) but i have to wonder if it has been translated , how do i know that is what it really said to begin with? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

    Yes right translation is key when it comes to the scriptures in general; I don't read arabic but as a good translation I would suggest you that one <!-- m -->http://www.submission.org/Q-T.html<!-- m -->
  • PureLovePureLove Posts: 5,891
    I didn't read the entire links you gave but I'm a Muslim myself and the title you made is definitely NOT true. Nation of Islam call themselves Muslims but I don't really understand why. They believe a book they wrote themselves, they do not believe Quran. They have their own rules and they believe their own prophet. Islam was born with Muhammad and this is what is believed in Islam.

    I was born into a Christian family, but it was never forced on me by my parents. I find it better when children aren't told only one side of the story just so they are more likely to find their own individual path. I'm going to start reading the Qur'an pretty soon after I finish my current book. I've been very curious about it for awhile so I can't wait.


    i have gained a curiosity about the Qur'an also since (virtually) meeting muslims here in the forum. i have thought that i might begin to read it . i think it would be wise to have the same knowledge of it that i have with the bible ( in as not to allow anyone else to interprete for me what it says) but i have to wonder if it has been translated , how do i know that is what it really said to begin with? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

    I'm a Muslim myself but I'm interested in all religions. I read some Bible too and I found out that they're actually similar at some points. There're some basic things which are the same like, we both believe in God, his angels and his prophets. Here is what I found on a web-page about the differences btw Islam and Christianity. Maybe this helps you to learn some about Islam. Blessings to you all. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

    -Christians believe in the Trinity; Muslims believe God is indivisible.

    -Christians believe that as a member of the Trinity, Jesus is the Son of God. Muslims believe that Jesus was conceived by an act of God and though not the Son of God, is like Muhammad, a highly respected Prophet.

    -Christians believe Adam is guilty of disobeying God and that we all bear this Original Sin when we are born. We can be saved from this, and other sins, through accepting Jesus Christ's atonement. Christians believe that Jesus was crucified on a cross to atone for man's sins. Muslims believe Adam was faultless (some refer to him as a Prophet). They believe Jesus did not die on the cross and consequently there is no atonement. Muslims believe that each person is born sin-less and must take responsibility for maintaining this state throughout life.

    -Christians believe that when we die, we are immediately judged and sent to heaven or hell (or Purgatory in the Catholic faith, where Christian souls can do penance to prepare for heaven and non-Christians can languish until the final Judgment Day). Muslims believe in barzakh, an interim afterlife similar to Purgatory, where spirits wait Judgment Day.

    -Many Bible stories are repeated in the Qur'an but some of the details differ. Not all of these differences can be explained by translation errors.

    -Christians have a more relaxed view about what foods may be eaten. Muslims, being conscious that God created man, consider it wrong to defile such a creation with certain food and drink. Muslims may not, for example, eat pork or drink alcohol.

    -It is mandatory for Muslims to face Mecca and recite a prescribed liturgy (salat) at five specific times every day. Christians have no such obligation.
  • I'm a Muslim myself but I'm interested in all religions. I read some Bible too and I found out that they're actually similar at some points. There're some basic things which are the same like, we both believe in God, his angels and his prophets. Here is what I found on a web-page about the differences btw Islam and Christianity. Maybe this helps you to learn some about Islam. Blessings to you all. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> -Christians believe in the Trinity; Muslims believe God is indivisible. -Christians believe that as a member of the Trinity, Jesus is the Son of God. Muslims believe that Jesus was conceived by an act of God and though not the Son of God, is like Muhammad, a highly respected Prophet. -Christians believe Adam is guilty of disobeying God and that we all bear this Original Sin when we are born. We can be saved from this, and other sins, through accepting Jesus Christ's atonement. Christians believe that Jesus was crucified on a cross to atone for man's sins. Muslims believe Adam was faultless (some refer to him as a Prophet). They believe Jesus did not die on the cross and consequently there is no atonement. Muslims believe that each person is born sin-less and must take responsibility for maintaining this state throughout life. -Christians believe that when we die, we are immediately judged and sent to heaven or hell (or Purgatory in the Catholic faith, where Christian souls can do penance to prepare for heaven and non-Christians can languish until the final Judgment Day). Muslims believe in barzakh, an interim afterlife similar to Purgatory, where spirits wait Judgment Day. -Many Bible stories are repeated in the Qur'an but some of the details differ. Not all of these differences can be explained by translation errors. -Christians have a more relaxed view about what foods may be eaten. Muslims, being conscious that God created man, consider it wrong to defile such a creation with certain food and drink. Muslims may not, for example, eat pork or drink alcohol. -It is mandatory for Muslims to face Mecca and recite a prescribed liturgy (salat) at five specific times every day. Christians have no such obligation.

    As I was flipping thru the pages of the Qur'an, I was thinking 'this is so similar to the Bible. I don't see HATE in this book. I will definitely read it to get a better understanding, it sounds like a truly beautiful religion. I hate the horrors I see in the Middle East and pray for those people, ecspecially those beautiful children who can't understand why they are hated <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->.
  • PureLovePureLove Posts: 5,891
    As I was flipping thru the pages of the Qur'an, I was thinking 'this is so similar to the Bible. I don't see HATE in this book. I will definitely read it to get a better understanding, it sounds like a truly beautiful religion. I hate the horrors I see in the Middle East and pray for those people, ecspecially those beautiful children who can't understand why they are hated <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->.

    Why would there be HATE in Quran? It is all about love. It teaches how to love and share. I know that, it is what you were asked to believe about Islam. The terrorists are Muslims, they start the wars always but this is actually what they want you to believe and accept. To create the Christian and Muslim war. And unfortunately I do believe the NWO and illuminati has a huge role in the war going on in Middle East right now. They're using poor people for their own benefit and do not care how many innocent people die. That is Pure Evil and has nothing to do with Islam.
  • As I was flipping thru the pages of the Qur'an, I was thinking 'this is so similar to the Bible. I don't see HATE in this book. I will definitely read it to get a better understanding, it sounds like a truly beautiful religion. I hate the horrors I see in the Middle East and pray for those people, ecspecially those beautiful children who can't understand why they are hated <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->.
    Why would there be HATE in Quran? It is all about love. It teaches how to love and share. I know that, it is what you were asked to believe about Islam. The terrorists are Muslims, they start the wars always but this is actually what they want you to believe and accept. To create the Christian and Muslim war. And unfortunately I do believe the NWO and illuminati has a huge role in the war going on in Middle East right now. They're using poor people for their own benefit and do not care how many innocent people die. That is Pure Evil and has nothing to do with Islam.

    Are you an American? Because in the USA, a large population believe that the Muslim religion is evil. I am not a racist or a bigot of any nature, so I've never bought into that. I have known vaguely about the Muslim faith before 9/11 (I was about 13 around 9/11/2001) and couldn't understand why all of a sudden it was the most hated religion in the world (according to US Govmt and Society). But Christian radicals and Muslim radicals are one in the same, there is no difference. Christian extremism has proven to be much more dangerous throughout history than any other religion by far. You should watch a docu called Jesus Camp and you may become a little worried what they teach our children. <!-- safraid/ -->afraid/<!-- safraid/ --> Not all Christians, I am referring to radicals so please no one take offense to this.[/b]
  • suspicious mindsuspicious mind Posts: 5,984
    I didn't read the entire links you gave but I'm a Muslim myself and the title you made is definitely NOT true. Nation of Islam call themselves Muslims but I don't really understand why. They believe a book they wrote themselves, they do not believe Quran. They have their own rules and they believe their own prophet. Islam was born with Muhammad and this is what is believed in Islam.

    I was born into a Christian family, but it was never forced on me by my parents. I find it better when children aren't told only one side of the story just so they are more likely to find their own individual path. I'm going to start reading the Qur'an pretty soon after I finish my current book. I've been very curious about it for awhile so I can't wait.


    i have gained a curiosity about the Qur'an also since (virtually) meeting muslims here in the forum. i have thought that i might begin to read it . i think it would be wise to have the same knowledge of it that i have with the bible ( in as not to allow anyone else to interprete for me what it says) but i have to wonder if it has been translated , how do i know that is what it really said to begin with? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

    I'm a Muslim myself but I'm interested in all religions. I read some Bible too and I found out that they're actually similar at some points. There're some basic things which are the same like, we both believe in God, his angels and his prophets. Here is what I found on a web-page about the differences btw Islam and Christianity. Maybe this helps you to learn some about Islam. Blessings to you all. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

    -Christians believe in the Trinity; Muslims believe God is indivisible.

    -Christians believe that as a member of the Trinity, Jesus is the Son of God. Muslims believe that Jesus was conceived by an act of God and though not the Son of God, is like Muhammad, a highly respected Prophet.

    -Christians believe Adam is guilty of disobeying God and that we all bear this Original Sin when we are born. We can be saved from this, and other sins, through accepting Jesus Christ's atonement. Christians believe that Jesus was crucified on a cross to atone for man's sins. Muslims believe Adam was faultless (some refer to him as a Prophet). They believe Jesus did not die on the cross and consequently there is no atonement. Muslims believe that each person is born sin-less and must take responsibility for maintaining this state throughout life.

    -Christians believe that when we die, we are immediately judged and sent to heaven or hell (or Purgatory in the Catholic faith, where Christian souls can do penance to prepare for heaven and non-Christians can languish until the final Judgment Day). Muslims believe in barzakh, an interim afterlife similar to Purgatory, where spirits wait Judgment Day.

    -Many Bible stories are repeated in the Qur'an but some of the details differ. Not all of these differences can be explained by translation errors.

    -Christians have a more relaxed view about what foods may be eaten. Muslims, being conscious that God created man, consider it wrong to defile such a creation with certain food and drink. Muslims may not, for example, eat pork or drink alcohol.

    -It is mandatory for Muslims to face Mecca and recite a prescribed liturgy (salat) at five specific times every day. Christians have no such obligation.

    from what i have gathered just from conversation with muslims here that there seem to be certain, i guess you would call them harmonies of the bible and Qur'an . that being why i wouldn't mind looking into it a tad more deeply.
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