Whitney Houston - Is this really what it has come to?

IWantYouBack · February 2012

Dear fellow Michael fans and BeLIEvers, For those of you who don't know me yet, my name is Jenn Connor and I am a 17 year old singer from a small town in Canada. I'm also the creator of MJ Beatz Radio, which is a sister-site to this forum. I've been a BeLIEver since June 25, 2009, but I have been a fan of Michael Jackson since I was 4 years old. I didn't become a BeLIEver because I was in denial of Michael's death. I became a BeLIEver because I truly believed that there were weird things going on surrounding Michael's death and that we were NOT being told the truth by the media and Michael's family. I heard Michael's life was in danger, so my ultimate belief is that Michael Jackson faked his death to save his life and the lives of his children and family. I'm writing this post because, lately, ever since Whitney Houston passed away on the eve of the Grammys, I've been a little upset with some of the posts in regards to her passing. This forum is one of the most intelligent, exciting, polite, interesting, and FACTUAL forums I have ever been on and I LOVE it here but lately I've been starting to doubt some of the messages that have been posted in regards to Michael's death hoax relating to the sudden passing of Whitney Houston. I feel the need to address this issue because I have made a lot of friends here and I have a lot in common with those people I'm friends with and I just know that they might be thinking the exact same thing as I am. I would really appreciate it if all of you took the time to read this whole post. But I know many of you don't like long reads, which I can understand. So, for those who do not like long reads, I will save you right now: This post, in a nutshell, is going to say that I believe Whitney's death has absolutely NOTHING to do with this death hoax whatsoever and that I am very upset that we BeLIEvers and Michael's hoax as a whole has stopped to investigate the sudden death of Whitney Houston looking for clues or answers from Michael and his family in regards to his "death". While I am going to address those things, this post is mainly going to state that in my opinion, Whitney Houston, unlike Michael, did NOT fake her death. So, with that brief introduction, I will get started: I wasn't going to submit this post at all but when I saw that there was now a WEIRD LIST based on Whitney Houston's death, I really felt I had to. I have read the "Whitney Houston Dead At 48" thread and, in my opinion, it seems to me that some beLIEvers are now thinking that Whitney Houston too faked her death just because there are a few apparently weird things surrounding it. This makes me feel really uneasy about this whole Michael Jackson Death Hoax because, as we all know, Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston are quite similar when it comes to their careers and reputations in the music industry. How? They are both LEGENDS. Michael Jackson is the King of Pop, with now a billion records sold and he has won 392 awards. He has broken almost every record a Pop artist can break and he has an absolutely incredible legacy. Whitney Houston, similarly, has broken many records herself, has won numerous awards, and has also sold millions of records. Therefore, it is easy to say that Whitney Houston's death, while maybe less surprising than "Michael's", would really hurt the hearts of fans and people all over the world and is therefore "death hoax" material, just like Elvis' death. From Elvis, to Michael, to Whitney Houston, it's now appearing to me that all of these icons/legends in music have a death hoax being created and attached to their deaths. While it is true that all of these unforgettable icons such as Elvis, Michael, and Whitney seem to be famous enough and their death's sudden enough for a death hoax, I still believe Michael's case is very different and definitely more realistic than the possibility of Whitney faking her death. Allow me to explain why: What made Michael Jackson's "death" so odd and completely shocking and sudden was that he was just about to go on a tour and, by looking at This Is It, was in the best shape of his life since his 2005 trial. Michael Jackson was ready to astound the world and reclaim his throne as being the greatest entertainer to ever live. He was in amazing shape and he was ready. The whole world knew he was ready and they were waiting to see what was reported to be the best show ever in history. Michael was ready and his fans were waiting. But then, just 8 days away from starting dress rehearsals and moving to London, BAM! Michael Jackson dies. Soon after he dies, we get fed all of these crazy things from fake ambulance pictures, to Michael hopping out of a coroner's van, to Joe Jackson laughing just one day after his son's death, to a weird man in a disguise at his funeral, to reports saying MJ was afraid for his life, to weird clues in This Is It, all the way up to weird tweets from his family members and friends, and even messages in Michael's lyrics! That to me, my friends, just SCREAMS that something isn't right here. The timing of Michael's death was just TOO perfect in regards to the This Is It tour. It just SCREAMS death hoax. Now, let's move on to Whitney Houston's death. While there is a Weird List created based on her death, in my opinion, none of those things on that list are weirder than Michael's case. In fact, in my opinion, the things on that list aren't even half as weird as Michael's case. Whitney Houston wasn't in the best shape of her life, obviously. She wasn't about to go on tour. There were rumors about a comeback, a tour, and a new album. But they weren't set in stone. Tickets weren't being sold. She wasn't renting out the Staples Center, the Forum, and Center Staging to rehearse for a tour. The people of the world didn't know that she was going to go on tour and make a huge comeback. She wasn't ready. But Michael was - and the whole world knew about it. Also, after Whitney Houston's death, her DAUGHTER wasn't caught laughing a day after like Joe Jackson was after Michael "died". In fact, her daughter had a panic attack after her mother died and was rushed to the hospital. Does that sound like a daughter who's mother just faked her death? In my opinion, it doesn't. It sounds like a daughter who's completely in shock and upset that her mother just all of sudden passed away after seeing her just hours before her death. Now let's go to the funeral. Whitney's funeral, once again in my opinion, had nothing weird about it when you compare it to Michael's. She didn't have a choir singing "Soon and very soon, we are going to see the King" (or Queen in her case). She didn't have a strange hatman who looked like her in disguise as far as I could see. She didn't have Kenny Ortega or someone else that she would have in her inner circle messing up on dates saying "We were here 2 weeks ago". She didn't have a picture similar to Michael's "Liberian Girl" picture. And she didn't have a daughter who appeared to be faking her tears. There was none of that. But once again, Michael's funeral had ALL of that. His funeral seemed so fake and put-on compared to Whitney's. So what if their caskets looks similar? There's tonnes of caskets that look similar to each other. Plus, MJ and Whitney Houston were legends and the very famous get similar treatments. Therefore, their caskets are going to be a little similar. Feel free to disagree with me if you like, but honestly, I am upset and completely, utterly SHOCKED that out of all of the facts we have found on Michael's death and out of all of the research we have done and the things we have seen, it has come to this. I'm shocked that Michael Jackson's death hoax has come to thinking "Hey! There's a few weird things about Whitney Houston's death! And she's another icon in the music business! She must have faked her death, too!" I'm shocked, I'm upset, and I'm sad because in the back of my mind there's a little voice saying to me that maybe this whole death hoax we have found isn't real and these ARE all just coincidences. And this voice is getting louder and louder every time I see another post that even implies Whitney may have faked her death as well. Heck, I'm all for comparing Whitney's death to Michael's and seeing how fake MJ's looked compared to Whitney's. That's what all our research is about. But to say Whitney may have faked her death too when, in my opinion, there isn't anything NEARLY as odd surrounding her death is a little too far out there for me and makes me think I'm wasting my time beLIEving. If there's any of you who agree with me, I am happy and glad because it shows me a sign that maybe, just maybe, we can get this Michael Jackson Death Hoax back on track to where it used to be and to where it belongs while we let Whitney Houston watch over us from Heaven and let her family cope with this sudden loss. This post is nothing personal towards any of you. I love you all and I love reading your posts about Michael and what you guys find and come up with. I just really wanted to share this. God Bless you guys, Jenn

YouRnotAlone7 · February 2012

Great post, Jenn...and I love MJ Beatz Radio! /bravo/

starchild · February 2012

Thank you for this post, Jenn.

Shamone Jackson · February 2012

I pretty much agree with you. I was kind of doubting if she escaped like our Michael but after today, I don't think so. I really think she passed away.

It would be wonderful if she escaped but I don't think she did. And I have to say for being 17 years old, you sure are a superb writer. /bravo/

RK · February 2012

Hi Jen. I can only speak for myself in this regard, and I am not decided what I think as yet about Whitney's death being a hoax or real. And to that end, I am watching and disecting the events/funeral footage because the Michael Death hoax has made this something that is now automatic for me. I will say however, that the funeral does 'feel' real and sincere to me, but that could also be because it comes from the baptist/gospel genre and I relate to that expression myself. Please don't get upset with us. We must explore any and everything that could possibly be linked with the most obvious death hoax ever, which is the Michael Jackson Hoax.

Aidan_81 · February 2012

Jenn, I'm with you on this one. Playing games is fun, but then there is real death coming and it's not funny anymore. I know some people seriously go as far as saying everyone from Lady D to Liz Taylor are alive and having fun at Neverland, but let's keep it as real as we can - if they are smiling together somewhere, it's in Heaven maybe.

blankie · February 2012

Very beautiful post!!! Really.... ::P I am a believer and for this..... thanks to my heart... I mean...the first few days after June 25, I did not understand anything, I cried only....and I realized looking the memorial ( and crying as a fountain ::P ). Has been the heart to make me understand suddenly at that moment ... moonwalk_/ michael-jackson/ mj_dance/ For Whitney I don't know :roll: ...perhaps she has faked his death.... my only hope if , is so is that, she is happy and serene ::P My heart, my soul and my mind from June 2009 are only for Michael and will it be forever bearhug... and for him I'll never be tired of looking for news , informations , and believe me.... is a joy do it with all you !!! ::P [size=14pt]L.O.V.E.[/size] michael-jackson/

ilovemjforever · February 2012

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 Jenn, I'm with you on this one. Playing games is fun, but then there is real death coming and it's not funny anymore. I know some people seriously go as far as saying everyone from Lady D to Liz Taylor are alive and having fun at Neverland, but let's keep it as real as we can - if they are smiling together somewhere, it's in Heaven maybe.

Thanks for your post Jenn,it was a very interesting read.To be honest,i don't believe Whitney's death is a hoax.I was hopeful that it was,but after her funeral today,i am pretty convinced,its not.To me it seems that her death was not an accidental death or related to natural causes.Her deaths bleeds ritual sacrifice,and it makes me angry to think about it.In my mind there are only two possibilities,her death is either a hoax,or ritual sacrifice.I had the same feelings regarding M.J.,but i am convinced,that he is still alive,somewhere.The one thing that gives me hope,that Whitney escaped,is i believe Micheal could be chosen by God,to save humanity from the evil powers,who controls the world,from behind the curtain.At this point,i think she really is gone,but i am not certain.

RK · February 2012

In my mind there are only two possibilities,her death is either a hoax,or ritual sacrifice

^^^Word!! I got the feeling Tyler Perry seemed to be alluding to this evil when he spoke about nothing being able to separate us from the Love of God..not principalities, nor powers implying demonic powers. This is why it is easier to look at the possibility of a hoax first, because the second option is very painful to think about.

bodom · February 2012

Great comparisons, Jenn. I watched Whitney's funeral also and it WAS the real thing. I kept thinking about MJ's and there are SO many questions about his memorial. I've always said the Jacksons did not appear to be "grieving" like everyone else does. Katherine was at Target buying sleeping bags and Joe was laughing with Jesse Jackson the very next day - when someone very close to you has just died, that behavior does NOT happen. I'm glad the kids are doing "great", but my children lost their dad when they were young and they went through "hell" and still are. Then when TII came out I just knew that the film was NOT intended for MJ's personal library like they said. It was filmed to be a movie and what a great MOVIE it was. Since then I have looked for other hints. After watching Whitney's funeral today, maybe the non-believers will take notice when we point out certain things. I believe MJ is with his kids each day - that's the reason they are doing "great". michael-jackson/

2good2btrue · February 2012

Thanks Jenn.....I don't for one second believe Whitney faked her death.... But I do believe the illuminati's secret agenda has its filthy hands all over this recent death... They leave clues with numerology...just to create fear. And because all of us here on this forum have been awakened to this evil side, we become more suspicious and tear everything to shreads...Its called "Michaeling". Its another murder....RIP Whitney..

skyways · February 2012

Thank u soo much Jen to finaly said that LOUD!! And for 17 of age you are truly remarkable writer and Very intelligent@@ - God bless you! As a students of the hoaxland we most b not learning well the most essentual lesson - PATIENCE. And keep our mind preoccupyed on very quiet recent time with just digging "clue" here and there only going to undervalued the true MJ Hoax picture. Saddly, Whitney Houston is truly gone (R.I.P.) and the only similarity to MJ on high note of that sudden loss - that she was one of the FEW who really fight back on the SATANIC industry of interteinment , is nothing PURE is left there anymore and i just truly hope that Michael wl comeback wth CHANGE THE WORLD aim before another tragedy is claiming someone life and before our children wl lost theire mind over all of that madness and brainwashing upthere(((.

Grace · February 2012

Thank you. It might be the right moment to sit back and "let it simmer". Not everything is man-made but sure is made for a purpose. If only we keep our eyes and soul open and keep us standing still in awe - childlike - how much life is giving to us abundantly and this also in times of a passing. 1 Corinthians 13 4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. This is so true when emotions are surfing high waves. Blessings.

Loveunited · February 2012

Jenn, YOU ARE AMAZING! I love your analysis. /bravo/ While I am not going to comment on that, I AM going to comment on what I see as the dynamics of people's behavior as I see it and on my current position--emphasis on current. As Grace said (so eloquently, by the way, thank you ::P) we may have to let this simmer. I think that the shock/ resonance of Whitney's death is what beLIEvers are responding to and putting pieces up for analysis--because through our own experience we know not to rely on what we are told. We should also keep in mind not to rely on each other tooooooooo much--as that is akin to giving our power away, while at the same time appreciating and loving the various directions we all take one another. However, in all of this circular questioning we need to take note of where WE stand. You have certainly gone through that process yourself and have clarified that for yourself and communicated that to others with regard to Whitney. /bravo/ Others are still getting their bearings! I feel VERY unsettled about Whitney's death (not in hoax terms, but in terms of the INDUSTRY), and of the timing. So I am going to recount some of my unsettled thoughts--I am not researching Whitney ( as an over 50 year old breadwinner for the family I don't have alot of TIME-- I give my research time to Michael). So, that being said, it is my understanding that she DID have things on the horizon; she had the Grammy's, she has her movie coming out, she was active in the industry again. I did watch the memorial service; I was struck my several things. Costner telling the story of the production for The Bodyguard waiting for her to be free to do the movie and the auditioning her for the role, and the references he made of answering to TPTB of "yes I noticed that she is black" (sic) etc....reinforced for me that things I have discovered since becoming a beLIEver about racism in the industry from TPTB and its direct influence on Michael. Also that she was not a woman known for going along with other's agendas.......So far THAT is how it is resonating in me, and my response is despair for our glorious ARTISTS. I am shocked by her death. I do not believe the media's hype around the circumstances--for me, the TRUTH of it IS simmering... What I have learned is that when I come across internet stories about it which are disrespectful to Whitney and her loved ones, I now make sure to comment on my disgust of the way they are reporting the story to let them know that I for one do not buy into their tabloid trash and am not going along with their agenda. That is as much ACTION as I can take for now on that FRONT with regard to Whitney... I would love to believe that it is a hoax, that we on Earth have not lost that golden piece of God's light known as Whitney Houston; and perhaps that is some of the same feeling that others have, and are exploring it for themselves and expressing it in terms that are not yet fully formed--which I think serves a good purpose on this forum--exploration. In terms of this forum, I have been aware that people have been waiting and watching during a lull-- the whole thread about who is still here, and most responses were about reading and waiting etc.....Well I for one think that the news about Whitney and the news about Tohme Tohme is very significant in the scheme of things. It feels like the egg is just beginning to crack open. I am aware that usually there is a rush of pent up energy after a lull--I think on this forum it is palpable (sp?). I beLIEve this is the beginning of ALOT more to come. I think it is ALWAYs good to notice when it comes up for you to QUESTION what you believe-- even if it is the Hoax...Keeps things in check! AND it is okay if positions shift. My current reality is I do not consider myself a beLIEVer-- I consider myself a KNOWER in terms of the hoax. I just want to now make changes in the WORLD to make it SAFE for Michael to BAM. For me that requires Man in the Mirror ACTION and I have been busy EVERY DAY and making plans to take more ACTION to make a difference in this world. That is creating a great deal more higher frequency ENERGY for me and those around me and we just keep going. I hope that is the reality for Michael now--Still such dark forces surrounding him and people like Whitney -- I am trying to channel THIS piece of God's light to shine on that darkness nowadays, with INTENTION. On that energetic level I am trying to become aware of joining with others to do just that and raise the frequency of vibratonal energy on a spiritual level. "I want to take you higher!" (SLY--soooooo good!). In so doing I have come to a place of accepting that THIS is where I am meant to BE in the context of the hoax (I am one of those people that were called to this, I didn't seek it consciously!--once called this has been transformative for me). So for me this is all about TRANSFORMATION, attending to spirit and from there, taking DIFFERENT ACTION in this world. In that way my life is becoming more fullfilled,and while I genereate that extra energy toward Michael's call to L.O.V.E.,[size=18pt] I am not waiting for HIS Bam, I am creating MY BAM[/size] in hopes that it will help make it safe for him--but I am not relying on his BAM before something happens with me (as IF there is a difference between any of us -- --not). So from one who is not 17 (well, okay my 17 year old me comes out sometimes), I just want you to know I love your expression of where you are right now and your beautiful ability in the use of language to express yourself. I also want to THANK you for Beatz radio which has kept me company on my journies on the net--and exposed me to more beauty in his music than I was previously aware of--which got me going to surround myself in amazement of what his music does to me-- he speaks to my SOUL. And listening to my SOUL has made all the difference... THANK YOU bearhug

loyalfan · February 2012

having been to many funerals over the years,whitney houstons was absolutely as a funeral is,grief,tears,emotions,love,espect etc.....michaels funeral does not begin to compare to it,in many ways...i.e. no priest to be seen,no grief,tears,etc. what mystifies me still is,we are no further towards the truth with mj.............how can that be after so long ???? peace be with you all here and much love xxxx

Datroot · February 2012

I agree - there are major discrepances in the 'death' of MJ. To me, he didn't have a proper funeral, although of course I am aware that there could have been a small private affair away from the spotlight. I don't think Whitney hoaxed her death at all.

everlastinglove_MJ · February 2012

Great post Jenn. bearhug with L.O.V.E.

suspicious mind · February 2012

hi there sweetie. being one of those lazy readers :-[ i am glad you summed it up early. /bravo/ .

mrbigshot · February 2012

celebrities have been victimized through the media and constantly ridiculed. It's been pretty prevalent through the years and has established one thing: DEATH exists prematurely. Unfortunately, celebrities are more susceptible to an early demise for a variety of reasons. Witney houston was one case which was highly represented of this. Of course, it's highly logical to assume that she is no longer with us. life is so precious and we highly covet it in such a profound regard that every moment of our existence is imperative. It suggests that we as people must learn to get over tragedy and, try to learn from our mistakes to end the incredible hatred. (we can't let our neglect for whitney in times of her distress dictate the outcome for OTHER people. we need to unify as people and show love) Therefore, what me must learn from the death of a highly-profiled celebrity such as witney is that we need to take life as it comes and not worry about details. because every experience has some significant value in it, and the more we blink the more we forget to realize what is between the lines. and we have to enjoy every second and not take it for granted. because we don't know who will wake up tomorrow. death does not mean the end, it only marks the beginning. but we should come to realize that since life is short, we can't sit and dwell on the negativity. we have to continue to enlighten and teach people how to share and support the love. but importantly, we have to know our HISTORY so we don't make mistakes in the future. But the point is, death is imminent. we cannot change our own demise. and unfortunately, Whitney died because she was a celebrity guided by the wrong light. (and I don't mean drugs, they really DON'T care about us. they care about the money) make no mistake about it. Celebrities have a significantly shorter lifespan because they are known to have a camera on them a majority of the time. The stresses that burden a celebrity can never be fully understood unless you have experienced it yourself, but that's why we should continue to show love and compassion for all. because if we don't, we are barricading our futures from a world of peace. we prohibiting a sense of open-mindedness, and if we CONTINUE to hound these celebrities and treat them as anything other than human, then we risk another tragedy like this occurring. we can no longer ask why, but how can we prevent this. but it's funny, you'd think the easiest action to act upon,is something that everybody can easily do. Love. Love. Love. Love. love is a drug that will keep us from hurting ourselves. yet so many people refrain from it because they don't know how to spread it. Why is that? because we sometimes forget it ever exists. because we think that there isn't any in the world so we should jsut give up hope because it's useless. well I don't from which book you're reading, but love is infectious and allows us to heal gaping wounds once we incorporate our history into the mix of our experiences. we can't evolve as a primitive species if we never learn to live with one another. I mean, how primitive as a species are we? we resolve conflicts by waging wars? why can't we peacefully come to an agreement? Maybe because our materialistic greeds annihilated our ambitions of a better tomorrow. So? You can be in denial or you can face reality. yes, it is strange that whitney died in such strange fashion. but hey, what death does not accompany such oddities? Whitney Died, and we have to learn to deal with it but also understand that if we have loved her and always supported her instead of constantly degrading thew oman, she would still be alive today. but it's not right to point the finger, so we have to do as people is understand teh fundamental importance in establishing a loving relationship with people who are burdened by the evil. just simply show the love, and we can prevent another tragedy like this from occurring. Oh and This post was lovely. 17 years old, such a very logical and open-minded person you are! Iwantyouback! keep spreading your wisdom! we need it.

hesouttamylife · February 2012

Jenn, thank you for your post. I have forgone reading the replies as I want my reply to be directly to you. I agree that Michael’s death screams impropriety and distortion. Nothing from A to Z makes any sense ushering in hoax as the only reasonable conclusion. Even if I never be so fortunate as to ever see Michael’s face again, I will still believe blindly that he lives somewhere away from the madness. As for Whitney, there are some things that are questionable about her death, things like the beer and the champgne in the room, her having been left alone after it had been a point to never do so, her preoccupation with talking about going to see Jesus soon, and a couple of different reported scenarios surrounding by whom and in what position her body was initially discovered. There are a few other things that give rise for one to wonder but for me they don’t point to hoax. At least not now. After having watched Whitney’s home going service, I am all but convinced that Whitney, God Bless her soul may she rest in peace, is gone. What I am keeping my eyes open for is if it is determined that she died naturally or if it was assisted. I feel a bit uneasy with saying she took pills and drank booze and slipped away. Could be, but for now, I am not comfortable making that kind of blanketed statement. And the fact that Clive Davis kept on with his Grammy party in the very same hotel where her body lay cold and lifeless just gives me the creeps. Something in her demeanor in the weeks prior to her death makes me feel that she either knew she was going to die soon or that she feared she was going to be taken out of the game for monetary gain. But that’s just a premonition. There are so many similarities to Whitney’s life leading up to that moment that mirrors Michael’s. But there are also many differences in their histories relative to management woes and lifestyle. Michael had so many characters around him that are suspect over the years that it would be hard for one not to think that he woldn’t be fearful for his life. And in being so, would be making plans to get away to a safe harbor, and in fact timing it perfectly. In my book, he did just that. Perhaps the price for that is that he will never be heard from again. I hope that’s not to be the case, but if it means he lives, then God take care of him.

andy1andy2 · February 2012

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 celebrities have been victimized through the media and constantly ridiculed. It's been pretty prevalent through the years and has established one thing: DEATH exists prematurely. Unfortunately, celebrities are more susceptible to an early demise for a variety of reasons. Witney houston was one case which was highly represented of this. Of course, it's highly logical to assume that she is no longer with us. life is so precious and we highly covet it in such a profound regard that every moment of our existence is imperative. It suggests that we as people must learn to get over tragedy and, try to learn from our mistakes to end the incredible hatred. (we can't let our neglect for whitney in times of her distress dictate the outcome for OTHER people. we need to unify as people and show love) Therefore, what me must learn from the death of a highly-profiled celebrity such as witney is that we need to take life as it comes and not worry about details. because every experience has some significant value in it, and the more we blink the more we forget to realize what is between the lines. and we have to enjoy every second and not take it for granted. because we don't know who will wake up tomorrow. death does not mean the end, it only marks the beginning. but we should come to realize that since life is short, we can't sit and dwell on the negativity. we have to continue to enlighten and teach people how to share and support the love. but importantly, we have to know our HISTORY so we don't make mistakes in the future. But the point is, death is imminent. we cannot change our own demise. and unfortunately, Whitney died because she was a celebrity guided by the wrong light. (and I don't mean drugs, they really DON'T care about us. they care about the money) make no mistake about it. Celebrities have a significantly shorter lifespan because they are known to have a camera on them a majority of the time. The stresses that burden a celebrity can never be fully understood unless you have experienced it yourself, but that's why we should continue to show love and compassion for all. because if we don't, we are barricading our futures from a world of peace. we prohibiting a sense of open-mindedness, and if we CONTINUE to hound these celebrities and treat them as anything other than human, then we risk another tragedy like this occurring. we can no longer ask why, but how can we prevent this. but it's funny, you'd think the easiest action to act upon,is something that everybody can easily do. Love. Love. Love. Love. love is a drug that will keep us from hurting ourselves. yet so many people refrain from it because they don't know how to spread it. Why is that? because we sometimes forget it ever exists. because we think that there isn't any in the world so we should jsut give up hope because it's useless. well I don't from which book you're reading, but love is infectious and allows us to heal gaping wounds once we incorporate our history into the mix of our experiences. we can't evolve as a primitive species if we never learn to live with one another. I mean, how primitive as a species are we? we resolve conflicts by waging wars? why can't we peacefully come to an agreement? Maybe because our materialistic greeds annihilated our ambitions of a better tomorrow. So? You can be in denial or you can face reality. yes, it is strange that whitney died in such strange fashion. but hey, what death does not accompany such oddities? Whitney Died, and we have to learn to deal with it but also understand that if we have loved her and always supported her instead of constantly degrading thew oman, she would still be alive today. but it's not right to point the finger, so we have to do as people is understand teh fundamental importance in establishing a loving relationship with people who are burdened by the evil. just simply show the love, and we can prevent another tragedy like this from occurring. Oh and This post was lovely. 17 years old, such a very logical and open-minded person you are! Iwantyouback! keep spreading your wisdom! we need it.

mrbigshot--WOW JUST WOW!

Shamone Jackson · February 2012

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ilovemjforever · February 2012

/>I really believe Whitney was a ritual sacrifice,there are just to many things point to it.However i am also open to the idea,that this could be somehow part of Gods,and Michael s elaborate plan.One thing i am certain of,This was either a planned death,by you know who,or a staged death,by yours truly.

SimPattyK · February 2012

I just want to say from the start that I respect you @IWantYouBack even though I disagree with most of what you said. What I am about to write below is not with the purpose of convincing you or anyone else of my own belief. I think you are misinterpreting and exaggerating about certain things and I want to set things clear. I appreciate your polite manner of expressing a contradictory point of view regarding what has been discussed on the thread "Whitney dead at 48". I really do appreciate people who are able to have a civil conversation on matters they strongly disagree with, people who don't need to use insults instead of strong arguments. That sort of discussion always leads to constructive ideas and to positive things generally! In my opinion , your long post talks mostly about how evident Michael's death hoax is (which we all know already) , instead of presenting evidence to why Whitney's death is real or not. I mean you really summed up all the good reasons and evidence that show us why and how Michael faked his death. But I think your post isn't very convincing on why Whitney Houston didn't fake hers. And if I understood well, from the beginning of your message, that was the main reason why you started this thread, right? to express your opinion that Whitney didn't fake her death, to show that she really died. I didn't see any good arguments/evidence in your post to sustain your main point here. Don't misunderstand me please, I'm not writing this to make you feel bad or something, I'm deeply and sincerely preoccupied, even very intrigued by the circumstances in which Whitney Houston seems to have died and I would really be very grateful if someone could present clear evidence to convince me (and other people like me) that she really died. Or if she died, I would like to know why her death is so similar to other celebs who are also under high suspicions of having faked their deaths. Until then, my doubts continue to grow and multiply, just like that Weird List that determined you to open this thread. By the way, maybe you, @IWantYouBack, together with people who agree with you, maybe you will be able to put up a Non-Weird List, just as long or even longer, so that we can finally reach to a common denominator. At the same time I want to say this again: I strongly believe that in case Whitney is dead, then she was murdered in Illuminati-style! The Weird List contains weird FACTS and nobody can deny this whether Whitney is alive or whether she was murdered, the circumstances of her death still remain: WEIRD Period!

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 [. . . .] it seems to me that some beLIEvers are now thinking that Whitney Houston too faked her death just because [size=12pt]there are a few apparently[/size] weird things surrounding it.

^^ This depends on what each and every one of us perceives as "few". To me, "few" means 3-4, as I can see , to you 'few' means more than 40. The Weird List that I put up with all the comments of all the users and all the facts that I noticed, contains more than 40 points. If you consider that as 'few", than ok, I respect your perception. But to me , 40 weird facts in just one week! Well this is more than what I would call a "normal circumstances for a real natural death". With regards with your word: "apparently"....well then again: it's a matter of how we all perceive/understand things to be. To some they just 'appear' to be real, to others they ARE real. Equally non-believers, say about us, MJ-believers that we just "imagine" clues where there aren't any because supposedly, we can't accept Michael's death! They call our evidence as delusions. So you see, it's a matter of perception and also a matter of what people are able/ready to SEE and/or HEAR at one given moment. Some wake up early, some wake up later. Since you opened this interesting debating-thread, @IWantYouBack, I invite you to post here all those "few apparently weird things" that disturb you so much and "debunk" them one by one. I repeat: I would be very grateful to you and anyone else, if you could manage to erase any trace of suspicion regarding those "few weird things". You base your death-theory on untrue information, it seems to me. Maybe that's why you consider only as "apparent" the weird list. 1.

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 [. . . .]Whitney Houston wasn't in the best shape of her life, [size=12pt]obviously.[/size]

Obviously? By what the media has been reporting? Do you believe the media B.S.? How do you know she wasn't in good shape? Were you there, beside her? What is so obvious to you about her condition? Her manager said at the funeral she was in good shape , he said she told him she was ready for her comeback. They also said about Michael , few months before his death that he had skin cancer, in December 2008 they said he had 6 month to live. After his death , we were shown pics of him very skinny , with a pale face, etc... he didn't seem to be in a very good shape either, did he? So my point is: if Whitney is depicted by the media as "not in good shape", don't eat that donut! most probably the truth is exactly the opposite! Just like in Michael's case. 2.

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 [. . . .]She wasn't about to go on tour. [...] She wasn't ready.

Wrong again! She was preparing a new album and a movie!! just like Michael and Elvis (he didn't prepare a movie, but he had an album and a tour coming). James Brown also died only weeks before his new tour! How do you know "she wasn't ready"? Did you ask her? Did you watch her funeral? Did you hear Clive Davis who said that she told him she was ready!? 3.

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 [. . . .][size=12pt]In fact[/size], her daughter had a panic attack after her mother died and was rushed to the hospital.

In fact? Whose fact? the fact presented in the media? 4.

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 [. . . .] It sounds like a daughter who's

yeah "it sounds like...", "it appears like...." Paris also "sounded like..." at the memorial. So last December she just says in a TV show that she can fake her tears ever since she was a small child, while rehearsing acting skills with her father. So you see... "It appears that things are apparent!"

or "Nothing is at is seems to be!" 5.

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 [. . . .][size=12pt]So what if their caskets looks similar?[/size] There's tonnes of caskets that look similar to each other. Plus, MJ and Whitney Houston were legends and the very famous get similar treatments. Therefore, their caskets are going to be[size=12pt] a little[/size] similar.

i think this is an attempt to minimize the importance of information that we are being presented. And this is what makes you lose the essence. But again: if you chose to consider this "little" detail as insignificant. Then I respect your choice.

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 [. . . .] I still believe Michael's case is [size=12pt]very different[/size] [...] While there is a Weird List created based on her death, in my opinion, none of those things on that list are [size=12pt]weirder[/size] than Michael's case. In fact, in my opinion, the things on that list aren't even [size=12pt]half as weird as [/size]Michael's case.

As i can see ^^ in your opinion, this is all about whose death is weirder than the other's! I think you missed the essence. This is not about making comparisons or contests between the hoaxes. As far as I could understand what's going on, the clues that keep popping up are there to help us connect Whitney's death to the whole Hoax-project, "The Greatest Show on Earth" meant to SHOCK first and then CHANGE the world, all the religious themes everything goes hand in hand with TSs and Front's latest posts, to me all the pieces of this genius puzzle start falling right in their places. Of course there are many differences between their deaths. I don't even think the purpose was to copy paste 100% Mj's death. Wouldn't it have been like boring if her funeral had been identical to Michael's? That wouldn't have even looked so real! I mean it's good to notice the differences (her death, er funeral, etc...), but instead of wasting our time with those differences, I think we'd better look for the common points and try to understand the message that is given to us through those connections/similarities! try to read between the lines of it all.

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 [. . . .]Feel free to disagree with me if you like,

I've never felt more free.

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 [. . . .]but honestly, [size=12pt]I am upset[/size] and completely, utterly [size=12pt]SHOCKED [/size]that out of all of the facts we have found on Michael's death and out of all of the research we have done and the things we have seen, it has come to this. I'm [size=12pt]shocked[/size] that ...

I see that the main purpose was achieved: SHOCK! Most probably the whole world is shocked and will continue to be. I just hope we will also see a CHANGE of the world...towards the end... with the help of GOD. But I don't see any reason for you to be upset that people freely chose to think differently as you.

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 [. . . .]I'm shocked, I'm upset, and I'm sad because in the back of my mind there's a little voice saying to me that maybe this whole death hoax we have found isn't real and these ARE all just coincidences. And this voice is getting louder and louder every time I see another post that even implies Whitney may have faked her death as well.

I respect what your voice tells you. But I don't believe in coincidences and generally I base my believes on more than just what my voice tells me. I am sorry if this saddens you. maybe you should avoid reading what saddens you. I don't know. may God bless you. I can only send you my thoughts of well and happiness! hugs to you bearhug

Dontwalkaway · February 2012

I don't feel like I have enough information to say what happened to Whitney. We definitely can't trust the media. We have to wait and research and put the pieces together. It is definitely not an ordinary situation. There is definitely a long "weird list", Thanks SimPattyK ! A lot of it does tie to Michael's Hoax such as the water leak, egyptian statue, seeing Jesus, the bible verses, TMZ articles again !!!, and other things. There was numerology which can be tied to the illuminati, illuminati ceremonies and symbolism, so it does look like an illuminati sacrifice. But we don't know yet ??? At least I don't. Maybe they wanted it to look that way ? Maybe they out thought the illuminati and "staged her death". I'm just hoping. If we know about it, then I'm sure they do also. There's been a pattern of someone dying before award shows. Maybe this is part of the plan to teach more people about all the evil in the world. IDK Also, major TV networks had a church sermon on about choosing God which people all around the world could watch. We are all also walking around singing Whitney's beautiful love songs. This rarely happens normally. So I am watching, reading and letting it simmer. I don't know anything for sure. Honestly, almost everything on TV looks fake to me now and I don't automatically believe it. For now, I want to think positive until I know the bad news. I want to think that this is all part of the amazing,fantastic,awesome,genius plan of Michael to defeat evil and spread love, unless it's proved otherwise. Love You All

paula-c · February 2012

Good post Jenn, i would like to say that i do not think that Whitney is alive, if there are many strange things in his death but so far i have not seen anything that i stated otherwise. SimPattyK although on this occasion i am not in agreement with you i respect your position and your work, that should be dealt with human coexistence, respect, love and tolerance. bearhug

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