What IF Conrad Murray is MJ

MJonmind

It appears almost no one else agrees with me on this, but I'm still very suspicious, and plan to continue my investigation on this.<br />The extreme height difference between Murray and MJ is the most obvious insurmountable problem to the theory. But there may some illusion, techno trickery being used to pull this off, that we aren't aware of as yet.<br /><br />Here is MagicalXscapism's video on the character Conrad Murray from the Court of Last Resort, played by same actor in Elvis' jailhouse rock, the mention of Doctor Murray in Smooth Criminal, and her belief that Conrad Murray changed his name from Robert Earl Carter at MJ's request.<br /><br />

<br /><br />Here's MJJ20Girl's video. 2 other Murrays (too short), Murray's medical license in question, and more lies.<br /><br />

<br /><br />Here's xikzfonehome's morphing video of Murray and MJ.<br />I know people say the morphing doesn't prove anything, but here it is just to show it.<br /><br />

<br /><br />Here's some pic comparisons:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Front on Sept 21, 11, during trial when we can see Murray daily.<br />

Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………<br /><br />{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}<br /><br />Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!<br /><br />Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?<br /><br />Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes  suspicious//  spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.<br /><br />{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}<br /><br />Michael: {standing alone…shakes his head…and breaks out into a rendition of 99 Bottles Of Beer On The Wall} 99 bottles of Propofol… 99 bottles of Propofol… take 1 down, pass it around--oops! where did it go?….. 98 bottles of Propofol………

<br />If (when) MJ comes back - will we believe its him ?<br /><br />

Light Man spinning all the while<br />Exhibit B gonna rock that trial

<br />Exhibit B could have been Murray walking out of the hospital.<br />Remember how Murray was looking at the camera (us) a few times?  :icon_e_wink: :icon_e_wink:<br /><br />TS on Nov 7, 11<br />

Finally, did anybody notice what TMZ said about Murray in solitary confinement?  “We’re told Murray will be assigned a single cell for his own protection … Officials tell us Murray will not be allowed to mingle with the general inmate population …” {http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/07/dr-conrad-murray-keep-away-prisoner/}.  Maybe NPG will get a photo of him walking on the beach again, while he is supposed to be in jail!  moonwalk_/

<br />Katherine said the children had been walking on the beach.<br /><br />TS<br />

Murray cooperated with the mystery person.  And what if I confess that I am Con-rad Murder-y, and I want to turn myself in—would the court accept that, or dismiss it as hearsay?  :?:

<br />TIAI September 27<br />

Well, perhaps I have incriminated myself like Dr. Murray BECAUSE I AM DR. MURRAY!?!?!

<br />TIAI September 27<br /><br />Yeah, very funny, very funny... :animal0017:<br />Why say all this, what purpose did it serve?<br /><br />Bec said that TS is a "slippery one". (And so is Front.)<br /><br />First Katherine says it was Murray that told her MJ was dead. Then she says she's never met or had contact with him! :icon_eek:<br />Murray says he loves Katherine like his own mother, and the kids are like his own. Okay is all of that not brick by brick prankster?<br />Add to that all the many side-by-side pics of Murray & MJ, that TMZ posted. <br /><br />If anyone has anything to add to this, that would be appreciated.

Andrea

I think Murray is MJ in the philosophical sense, he represents MJ.  Physically, I have my doubts but I would never rule it out because the truth has yet to be revealed.

Andrea

I just re-read my post and I don't think I should've used the word 'philosophical', I think 'figurative' is better, or symbolic.<br /><br />I've always found it odd that we never saw any pics of MJ and Murray together.<br /><br />I am curious if Nicole Alvarez and Murray are/were really in a relationship with a kiddie (wonder if he's grown at all, lol) or if she was acting the part.

bec

There are most certainly constant parallels being drawn between MJ and Murray. Murray is supposed to represent MJ in this modern scenario. He is a professional black man accused of a horrible crime, there are a small group of people supporting him fiercely, insisting he could never do what he is accused of, they contend that the picture the media paints/ed of him is false and completely off the mark (he is a holistic doctor, not a Dr. Feel Good), and many other little comparisons/parallels to MJ and events that occurred during the 2005 trial/2003 accusations. So Murray, I firmly believe, is supposed to represent MJ.<br /><br />I stared at his face for hours during the 2011 trial and I saw nothing that leads me to believe he is masked, so I think the metaphorical comparison is as far as the MJ-Murray thing goes. Too bad, I muse, an unmasking in court most certainly would have shocked the world, brought it to a standstill, and then to it's knees, and been an amazing way to Bam... but it was not to be.

diggyon

Well, I have compared Murray's  pictures with Michael's  pictures several times. I My conclusion is that they are two different persons. And as you said Mjonmind: the hight is one of the proofs that they are two different persons. Something else: in the pictures of Murray and Michael Mjonmind posted above we can see Michael's leg and Murray's leg as well. Murray's leg is a little bit arched compared to Mj's leg. So leg's form is different here. Have you noticed Murray's belly? It's a fat belly compared to Michael's. To me even the thumb nails look different!

emulik

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<br />There are most certainly constant parallels being drawn between MJ and Murray. Murray is supposed to represent MJ in this modern scenario. He is a professional black man accused of a horrible crime, there are a small group of people supporting him fiercely, insisting he could never do what he is accused of, they contend that the picture the media paints/ed of him is false and completely off the mark (he is a holistic doctor, not a Dr. Feel Good), and many other little comparisons/parallels to MJ and events that occurred during the 2005 trial/2003 accusations. So [size=14pt]Murray[/size], I firmly believe, is supposed to [size=14pt]represent MJ[/size].<br />

<br />that is exactly the way I feel about C. Murray! thank you Bec for putting the words together! Hopefully in the end of this journey  general public and everybody will have another view on media and finally will have respect for MJ.. :icon_e_smile:

MJonmind

Thanks for all your responses! It's okay with me if you disagree, because it's understandable.<br /><br />

everlastinglove_MJ

I agree that C. Murray represents MJ, though I believe not "in the flesh". Yet in this hoax everything is possible and the interesting comparisons, quotes you posted MJonmind plus Andrea's:

I've always found it odd that we never saw any pics of MJ and Murray together.

keeps me open minded for surprises and keep me WATCHin' :icon_e_geek:<br /><br />with LOVE

bec

@MJonmind, well it sure would leave people's jaws on the floor and make the earth quake, wouldn't it?<br /><br />Man, it's fun to think about, that's for sure.

Adi

I definitely mused for hours during the Dr Murray trial last year that Murray was MJ.<br /><br />As others have discussed I do believe Murray metaphorically represents MJ. <br /><br />I also feel like there have been some pictures we have seen (posted 1st on TMZ of course  :icon_lol: ) which are made to to look MJ's body.....or even might have been MJ's body with Dr Murray's head photoshopped on. <br /><br />This is one below. Remember this is the picture which has M2KV  hidden on the fence pailings behind him. It is weird because a few days later day TMZ posted the next picture which was meant to be from the same time period (maybe the following day) where he looked like he had gained about 10kgs  :suspect:<br /><br /><br /><br />

Andrea

Actually Adi I'm glad you posted those pics.<br /><br />I always thought the lower pic looked like Murray was wearing a fat suit.  Although his face looks fuller too....and different than the other pic.  I don't know, maybe he's one of those people whose weight fluctuates constantly.

BeTheChange

I remember wishing that Mike was Murray throughout the whole trial lol.  I wanted him to 'pop out' at the end  :icon_lol:  The things that always killed my 'buzz' were Murray's height and the pics showing his bare arms and legs.  Of course, most of the pics (if not all) came through TMZ and if we've learned anything, it's that ANY pic can be altered.  But damn Murray's tall lol.<br /><br />There were a few moments during the trial...when something about Murray's eyes sent me into a flutter.  <br /><br />I still secretly hope that it is Mike....THAT would surprise (and astonish) everyone, including us.<br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.<br /><br />P.S. @Andrea...it looks like a fat suit to me too.  Or at least a belly suit lol.

Adi

From memory, I think the 2 photos were meant to have been taken within only a few days of each other...I think just before the time of the Prelim trial in January 2011?<br /><br />Anyway - yes I agree Andrea.....fat suit.....or perhaps photoshop, because surely one can't gain that much stomach fat in the space of a few days (I'm in big trouble if that's the case...eeekkk  :icon_lol: ).<br /><br />I do remember us analysing these 2 pictures for a long time. I am pretty sure there is a thread on them somewhere.

RK

Best thing I can learn from these pics is what not to wear. The long tie does draw the eye downward and hides the expanse of white s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d  shirt. Think it could be all optical illusion when the jacket is buttoned ? I used to think maybe he had a bullet proof vest on under there when we first analyzed these shots a few years ago.

bec

Yeah but look at his face. His face is fat in the bottom pic, slim in the top one.

Adi

I found the 2 TMZ articles these pics came from...except TMZ have removed the pictures now from the story:<br /><br />Dr. Conrad Murray Ties One On | TMZ.com  (is the 1st slim picture)<br /><br /><br />Conrad Murray -- All Tied Up in a Knot | TMZ.com  (is the 2nd podgy picture)<br /><br />only taken a few days apart, yet a few kilos difference    :icon_lol:<br />

RK

Yeah, I see what you are saying, but just trying to find some" logical" explanation for it all. Different expressions such as a pout where you draw your lips in can make your cheeks seem hollow and then a smile or smurk puffs them out. I turn into a resemblence of Freddo Frog [ do you have him in the states?] when I smile. Or perhaps there is no logic to be found at all and TMZ is adding the pounds in photoshop. You know , Aphroditie said that during the trial, the media contingent there, and she was amongst them, would purposely try to get the most distorted pic they  could, using strange angles ect,  of MJ going to and from the courthouse and then plaster it all over their rags and broadcasts across the world.  And my last suggestion....<br />

Adi

:LolLolLolLol: @RK......that fat suit would be hilarious for a fancy dress party....

diggyon

@bec<;br /><br />Photoshop can do miracles. It can make you slim, fat, tall, white, yellow even green! You can get a smaller nose, bigger lips, it can change your haircolour too. So noone should underestimate Photoshop! ! ! It's a miraculous program.

MJonmind

What kills me is if it really is MJ, and then we're going to want to watch the trial all over again just to see him sitting there for hours listening, itching his face, looking around, and occasionally speaking with his Jamaican accent.<br /><br />Okay this is my theory, and I'm not sure about the technical part if it's possible.  Well I'm almost positive from the clues I posted earlier that if the man called Conrad Murray is actually a Robert Earl Carter, and has changed his name for the hoax, it means that ALL of his history has been created--an extremely elaborate network of people, to make anyone who checks on him convinced that he's legit. And I mean a LOT of people. This would include all the people in the Galilee Baptist Church, all his patients from his clinic, all the witnesses and court people, all closely involved people at UCLA. Didn't Randy Phillips or Frank Dileo say they also had never met or seen Murray in person. Just seems so strange that no one has physically seen him. We discussed a long time ago that the scene at UCLA might have been filmed another day, with the footage of Murray on security camera even dubbed in, since it was blurry and stop-action. I know TS insisted that MJ wasn't in the ambulance that day and that there was only one shooting of the ambulance backing up and going to UCLA. He kept repeating about Jermaine's slip-up about MJ going to the airport.  If everyone involved that day is in on the hoax, did Murray even need to be around that day? Thus MJ could have snuck off to the airport, did a circle around and come back, just so TS wasn't lying.  They couldn't find Murray for days after the 25th.  Remember the video clip of Grace's where Michael's getting out of the SUV, and Murray walks by? Murray looks so fake as if his figure is dubbed in.<br /><br />Remember also how we constantly saw Murray strolling everywhere at the beach, the mall, the streets, at the coffee-shop, the barber, and on and on. And no one was seeming to care to even look his way. Remember how we thought all that could have been filmed before June 25, 09, when the public didn't know him from Adam. In addition to many short video clips, we have many still shots all by NPG or Zimbio (or something like that). Oh there was also the UCLA security video which was pics taken a second apart. Correct me if I'm wrong but have the completely unsuspecting public ever seen the actual Murray?  Okay so that's if Murray is another actor.<br /> <br />Now, if we realize how already challenging it has been to prepare all this background stuff anyway, let's just extend it to the high-tech capabilities.  If Murray is really MJ, my theory is that the video is altered in production by enlarging/lengthening his whole body in film and pics, somehow separating it from the background. In today's world of special effects I really believe they can do this.<br /><br />BTC, yes, during the trial, my heart fluttered every time Murray would look straight into the camera, and I would think, what if we're looking right at MJ, live!<br /><br />I want to get back to the Pink Panther comments by Front. He posted them on Sept 21, and the trial started on the 27th.<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Conrad_Murray<br /><br />

[size=12pt]Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH[/size]…………<br /><br />{Michael, wearing a [size=12pt]clown suit[/size]--or maybe a Pink [size=12pt]Panther[/size] disguise--removes his garb}<br /><br />Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!<br /><br />Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?<br /><br />Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes  suspicious//  spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. [size=12pt]It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.[/size]<br /><br />{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}<br /><br />Michael: {standing alone…shakes his head…and breaks out into a rendition of 99 Bottles Of Beer On The Wall} 99 bottles of Propofol… 99 bottles of Propofol… take 1 down, pass it around--oops! where did it go?….. 98 bottles of Propofol………

<br /><br />MJ's disguises have often included what he called a "fat suit". Perhaps it could be referred to as a 'clown suit'. And when have we seen Michael as a panther? Right, Black or White video. Here a black panther morphs into a dancing sexual angry Michael, and then morphs back into a panther. Perhaps MJ has morphed into black Murray, and "Pink" just adds comedy. <br /><br />MJ said his favorite super-comic-book hero was Morph. This article beautiful discusses MJ's Black Panther dance.<br />innermichael.com/2011/05/black-or-white-part-iii-panther-dance/  (copy and paste link)<br /><br />Not only that, but then Front says that underneath the "clown suit" and "pink panther" suit is someone in an MJ disguise --or the real MJ more like.  Why would someone put on 3 costumes?  NO, no, Front is saying it is MJ under a Murray fat suit, just like another panther trick. JMO<br /><br />Finally here is Eddy Murphy in his fat suit (we discussed this way back too).<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Apparently it is was the talented Rick Baker who did both Michael Jackson's make-up for Thriller, and Eddy Murphy's make-up as the fat woman. Here is an excellent article showing the many fantastic make-up jobs and more of Rick Baker.<br /><br />Native Audio Grrrl: Spotlight On: Rick Baker<br /><br />I'm telling you guys, this is all a colossal masterpiece, never been done before, mind-blowing stunt.<br />

emulik

:LolLolLolLol: :icon_lol:<br />MJonmind..yes, make-up artists can do miracles-make fat woman from athletic figure man, remake woman to man, etc...Nowadays we are then not so sure who is who.. :icon_albino: :icon_razz:

RK

Yes...that celulite does look real....I have seen real celulite before :-\

gwynned

Its absurd, ridiculous and thoroughly IMPOSSIBLE that MJ is CM.  Does that mean it's true?<br /><br />Wonder how many among the other cast of characters is ALSO MJ.  I guess you can't be the greatest entertainer in the world without showing off your acting skills.

paula-c

:errrr:

BeTheChange

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<br />Yes...that celulite does look real....I have seen real celulite before :-\<br />

<br /><br /> :LolLolLolLol:<br /><br />As for Mike being Murray (and God only knows who else)...all I know is that with Mike's 'brain', anything is possible.<br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.

suspicious mind

wow  seems i remember wwwwaaaaayyyyy back that souza and myself wondered about murray and what it was about him and thinking along the lines of how he looked like a jackson. you guys thougt we were nuts.