Why are you still watching?

bec · January 2014

What keeps you here? Aka, what makes you keep watching? Approaching 5 years, arguably the hoax has hit an impasse, the radio silence is deafening, and it's tempting to give up and throw in the towel and yet... there are many still here, lurking, waiting, watching. Why? What are you waiting for? I don't know what happened, I don't know if we made it all up, but the amount of time that has passed combined with this complete and utter silence from hoax HQ, makes me seriously doubt that this project has an ending even remotely like what we used to speculate and even expect to come to fruition. I do now wonder if this is how MJ chose to exit his public life, and this is the legacy he chose for his persona; the perpetual hoax, to lay the foundation for permanent expectations to top Elvis, to keep an underground facet of faithful, ever waiting for his hoax to be revealed--and leave it that way forever. The ultimate man of mystery, left a mystery for the ages. Our generation's Elvis, and maybe that was good enough for him. So tell me what you think. Why are you still here? What keeps you hanging on?

curls · January 2014

What do I think? Well I don't think he died on 25th June 2009. After that I haven't a clue what happened. It seemed such a plausible, deliberate 'in your face' hoax. Correct that, it still does. It seemed so 'Michael Jackson'. It still does. But this last year with ridiculous ongoing lawsuits the purpose of which I don't understand, and other stuff that has made me reassess things, I think plans have been changed. Circumstances change, as do goals and ambitions. I'm thinking increasingly like you bec, that this is how it's going to be forever. He's not coming back. Here's a post I wrote a month ago, which is still relevant, saying some of what you're now saying Bec:

Quote from: marumjj on December 10, 2013, 02:06:32 AMThe title "It's your fault" makes me think of CM. angry, used and discarded, perhaps "someone" let go his hand. Your comment here resonated with something that's been nagging at the back of my mind for some time now. I've long thought that many, if not most, of the popularly held hoax ideas (reasons, who's involved, comeback etc), have just been the products of hoaxers' hopes and imaginations, encouraged by various online 'characters'. What we know that has actually come directly from MJ himself (not that that necessarily = the truth) is very thin on the ground. Increasingly, with what I've learnt about MJ over these past 4 years, I think he may well not be planning on coming back. He could have made his hoax obvious, to those who care to see, not because he wants us to know he's ok and will be back, but because he wants to ensure, for himself, eternal mystery, attention, controversy, questions, 'is he?', 'isn't he?' But ... each time I 'settle' on this idea and start to regain my life back, Murray pops up, either in my head or in the media and I'm back to square one! Where does Murray fit into my 'eternal mystery' theory? He's always been a pivotal part of the hoax for me. Why would he have even agreed to be a part of all this, knowing it was going to shatter his life forever? How can his situation be resolved with his reputation intact if we don't get a big hoax reveal? So, that brings me back to your comment, marumjj. Could it be that Murray signed up to x number of years' work before MJ's reveal and all the accolades start pouring in - but - MJ changed his mind, changed his plans, likes being 'dead' and isn't going to come back any more? Leaving Murray angry and out to destroy what's left of the reputation of the man he trusted? Perhaps his threatened 'bombshell' was a message to MJ. After all, Murray could blow apart MJ's plans in an instant. "Stories buried and untold Someone is hiding the truth, hold on When will this mystery unfold And will the sun ever shine In the blind man's eyes when he cries?" http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24202.msg448807.html#msg448807

I also remember saying to Sweetsunset that MJ's dreams may not be the same as ours. We just hoped or assumed or were led to believe they were. So, why am I still here? What keeps me hanging on? Unfinished business. Hope that I'm wrong. Hope that the unthinkable can and will happen, not wanting to be the fool who leaves just before the miracle happens. Hope that I'm not destined to be the family idiot forever and to have it proved, to myself, that I'm a gullible idiot while I thought I was being so 'in tune', so 'open minded'. Hope is just about all I have left. I have talked myself out of pretty much everything I 'believed' or 'knew'. Everything except that MJ didn't die in 2009 and Murray, as the weirdest 'doctor' ever, is the key to everything.

mattie · January 2014

What keeps me watching. Not the believe there wil be a bamsday,after 4 years i have no hope left for that. I think it is more disbelieve

that keeps me hanging here. Disbelieve that MJ and his family let people who are so loyal to them live this rollercoaster for 4 years. Dont let the people who deserve it suffer,but the people who wil fight for you. Because for me it was not only fun..i have had family/,,friends,, fights about it(speaking for myself) Stil hanging here not understanding why nobody speaks his mind about this?? (like you do Bec) Waiting for Souza what she thinks(Why this big silent?) I dont understand why people dont take a stand finaly. Or are we supoose to wait for the rest of our lives? and let them play with us like we are a bunch of fruitcakes? :icon_geek: I wanted justice and respect for Michael..and would do everything to help. But this is not fighting for justice..this is starting to looke more and more like a verry cruel game! I am waiting for closure,one way or the other,

VeryLittleSusie · January 2014

I am also still here. I don't know what I am waiting for. Maybe I am waiting for closure,one way or the other, as Mattie... :icon_e_confused:

whatyourheartsays · January 2014

I have only 1 answer to give you. The only thing that keeps me here, brings me back here, prevent me from going away from here, is LOVE. I love Michael, and as long as i will, i will have this stupid hope for something, anything... I feel like a dog, sitting on his master's grave, rather waiting for his comeback, rather keeping the place... i don't know. There is something between hope and loyalty for the love you felt and still feel. I never actually thought MJ would be back, because i think the could actually be his final curtain call. i guess if he doesn't come back, it is "for the best" to his eyes. But as long as i feel love for him, i'll be around, just because this place is a symbol of the hope we have. If not close to MJ, where else could we stay ? I have a life, very busy, and happy, butI will always have this special place for MJ, this special thing that brings me here. Maybe not everyday, but always. I know it feels sad to realise there is nothing to "wait for", but i think the most important is not to "wait". It's just to be there, to trust and to love, no matter what.

sweetsunsetwithMJ · January 2014

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 What keeps you here? Aka, what makes you keep watching? Approaching 5 years, arguably the hoax has hit an impasse, the radio silence is deafening, and it's tempting to give up and throw in the towel and yet... there are many still here, lurking, waiting, watching. Why? What are you waiting for? I don't know what happened, I don't know if we made it all up, but the amount of time that has passed combined with this complete and utter silence from hoax HQ, makes me seriously doubt that this project has an ending even remotely like what we used to speculate and even expect to come to fruition. I do now wonder if this is how MJ chose to exit his public life, and this is the legacy he chose for his persona; the perpetual hoax, to lay the foundation for permanent expectations to top Elvis, to keep an underground facet of faithful, ever waiting for his hoax to be revealed--and leave it that way forever. The ultimate man of mystery, left a mystery for the ages. Our generation's Elvis, and maybe that was good enough for him. So tell me what you think. Why are you still here? What keeps you hanging on?

The answer---> Jermaine: "HE HAD A 5 YRS PLAN AFTER THIS IS IT" Ok my theory is as follows: Michael began his hoax after Obama's Presidency (Jan 20, 2009) I believe that without his help Michael wouldn't be able to pull this hoax off so Michael counted AT LEAST with those 4 years term to get it right, now in case Obama were reelected (that has been the case) Michael would be able to extend his hoax one more year and here is when Jermaine comes to tell us that Michael had 5 year plan AFTER TII, so IMO the hoax could have lasted 4 years or can last 5 years that's my theory but doesn't mean is the correct one. Why I'm still here? because Michael can't remain as a druggie child molester, I 'm still thinking that 2014 = 7 is the right year.

reveron1958 · January 2014

I have no bloody idea! :WTF: I need to know what really happened to him, but have not found anything I can really believe in yet. :icon_e_confused: I also want the world to know that he was innocent. :screaming-7365: I will still be popping in as long as this place is here. :bearhug:

blankie · January 2014

Michael said..... the best is yet to come...keep the faith...believe....it's a great adventure....love is important....this is it... :moonwalk_: Stay strong guys...UNITED IN L.O.V.E. !!!! :bearhug:

MJonmind · January 2014

I'm here because it's become part of my daily life and routine, and thinking patterns for 4+ years. It's been a high like from a drug and I don't want to go off, because I'm afraid of the withdrawal pain. I sacrificed/invested the time I would have otherwise focused on other things that would have benefited my body, job, family, friends, pets, house, yard, etc. Yet, it was something my deepest soul had responded to; a life-changing opportunity to follow a dream; perhaps a fantasy adventure, perhaps an alternative reality. IDK. I found something I wanted to believe in with all my heart, and don't want to let it go that easily. I'm still hoping 4 a return and justice of sorts. Whatever happens, happens! Like one said above, I've fallen deeply in love with the man and what he stands for, and I'm going to hang in there, while loving the world-wide strong family who also loves him. I know MJ's alive, and whatever he decides to do with his 'ghost'life is up to him! I hope this site remains open, but if not I hope it will remain as read only because of the massive valuable archive it contains. I appreciate each of your perspectives.

SEHF · January 2014

I'm here waiting for my cane refund..

bonnie2013 · January 2014

I'm waiting for the truth. There are too many bizarre circumstances surrounding Michael's death. If it's not a hoax... I believe his death was deliberate, a set up. Michael was a very intelligent, self-educated, and self-aware man. There is no doubt in my mind... Michael would NOT use propofol as a sleeping medication. Michael cared about his health, but mostly, Michael cared beyond measure for his children. I do not for one second believe that Michael would ask for propofol without knowing what it was supposed to be used for or the risks. For that reason, there is no way Michael would use propofol knowing that he may not wake up and leave his three children as orphans.

friendlikeme81 · January 2014

Dear friends, please, before you resign, consider that the hoax process has changed, has moved forward, uses different ways of input and contribution now. MJ is very very close and only scarcely hidden via his youtube and twitter accounts. Please don't fight me, I just tell you to consider that and decide for yourself. Best wishes to you all!

underthemoon · January 2014

I wasn't here a few weeks and come back....why.....so much heartbeats, goosebumps and sleepless nights......at the beginning so sure thyt there will be a BAM and now only stupid stories....i am not up to date, but i think there is nothing serious out there. Remember the time we join together :bearhug: Love to the Hoax Family

gwynned · January 2014

I didn't realize we COULD leave! ;D

Carrie · January 2014

Things don't always go as planned. Like Curls wrote, maybe there has been change of plans?! I think faith and inner knowing is what keeps people here; People are not ready to give up yet. "..It's difficult to wait, but it's more difficult to regret."

sweetsunsetwithMJ · January 2014

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 Things don't always go as planned. Like Curls wrote, [size=12pt]maybe there has been change of plans[/size]?! I think faith and inner knowing is what keeps people here; People are not ready to give up yet. "..It's difficult to wait, but it's more difficult to regret."

I'm sure of that!!

Do · January 2014

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 I'm waiting for the truth. There are too many bizarre circumstances surrounding Michael's death. If it's not a hoax... I believe his death was deliberate, a set up. Michael was a very intelligent, self-educated, and self-aware man. There is no doubt in my mind... Michael would NOT use propofol as a sleeping medication. Michael cared about his health, but mostly, Michael cared beyond measure for his children. I do not for one second believe that Michael would ask for propofol without knowing what it was supposed to be used for or the risks. For that reason, there is no way Michael would use propofol knowing that he may not wake up and leave his three children as orphans.

I do agree with a lot of the comments here, but just like Bonnie, I just want to know the truth, whether it's good or bad. And as you know, I started to doubt (quite some time ago) if this is really Michael's hoax. Just today, I watched some disturbing vids, which contents I don't entirely agree with (because of real harsh comments on Michael), however it COULD be true. And I don't mean he has chosen this pact with evil himself, but that he was forced at a very young age or did it under influence (mindcontrol). And when Michael decided he wanted to break free, they made his life a living hell. Maybe he is murdered because he 'broke the oath' or they made a deal with him to disappear and he would be left alone by them, in order for them to make more money on him, thus 'the hoax'. I read so many horrible things about the entertainment industry that nothing surprises me anymore. And just like Bonnie said, the way he 'died' isn't Michael, nor all the garbage that followed last year. This is simply not in his hands anymore. This is not simply a change of plans, I just don't believe that for a second. There are four vids, please watch them all (they're not that long) I would like to know what you think. And please realise that this is hard for me, because I don't WANT this to be true. And you also have to realise that Jermaine has suggested that their father may have arranged for Michael to be used by older men. He tells how his father had Michael join late-night hotel room meetings with “important business people.” Jermaine wondered whether “something happened” to Michael at those sessions. He said he sensed something was wrong because Michael would be sick for days after. “What was Joseph doing?” Jermaine said. I think this could be an indication that Michael was 'sold' (too young to realise what really was happening). And I know Jermaine denies he was co writing a book about it, bit I read that was true after all. But he regretted it I guess. Edit: please understand that in no way I believe Michael was a satanist, on the contrary, maybe this was his way to try to reveal 'them' but it could also be that he really was under their control. Maybe that's why he had multiple 'personas'. I just want to know the truth, that's why I'm looking at all the options, also the terrible ones.

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Thriller4ever · January 2014

I agree with your post Do. In fact, I've been thinking lately that mind control is what may have happened to MJ. There are, again, many contradictions/inconsistencies to/in that theory. So we really don't know what may have happened to him. I don't know why I'm still here. Maybe I got used to waiting and not visiting this forum gives some discomfort and anxiety like I might be missing out on some imp news. it's like a point of no return. :icon_e_geek:

curls · January 2014

So come on bec, why are you still here?

Andrea · January 2014

I'm still watching because I know Michael is alive. And as long as he is alive, there is always the chance (and IMO, a very good chance) that he will return. Not only for us to see, but the world - no uncertainty. I believe the hoax is the culmination of his life's work and he will have much more to say when he comes back. The signs of the hoax point to a comeback... I realize that plans can change but I don't think this is over or will remain unresolved. Honestly, I couldn't stop watching even if I tried. MJ is still communicating with us.

sweetsunsetwithMJ · January 2014

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 I'm still watching because I know Michael is alive. And as long as he is alive, there is always the chance (and IMO, a very good chance) that he will return. Not only for us to see, but the world - no uncertainty. I believe the hoax is the culmination of his life's work and he will have much more to say when he comes back. The signs of the hoax point to a comeback... I realize that plans can change but I don't think this is over or will remain unresolved. Honestly, I couldn't stop watching even if I tried. MJ is still communicating with us.

Absolutely my dear Andrea!! :icon_e_wink:

bec · January 2014

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 So come on bec, why are you still here?

I have no idea, although I do value the opinion of my fellow hoaxers, I'm pretty sure at this point that I was wrong, there is no ARG, and there will be no fantastic bamsday in our future. Which is a huge shame and if I think about it for too long it will break my heart, because it just kills me to think there will be no justice for MJ, that he will forever go down in history as a weirdo, suspected child-molesting, drug addict who once was a really great singer and dancer but who's life spiraled quickly out of control and culminated in a very shameful and public demise. And that disgusts me so much I just want to wash my hands of it and bury everything MJ. And unfortunately, I have been here before, in the past, after that Bashir interview, I felt similarly. I used to say this hoax changed my life, but in reality, since it appears more n more that there is no hoax, I changed my life--which is, I suppose, the silver lining here, but man, what a huge disappointment to think what could have been. I would trade that self-empowerment for MJ getting the last laugh in a hot second. To some extent I'm still watching out of force of habit, hope against hope, and just not being quite ready to accept that it was all just a fantastic dream. The human brain is an amazing thing, and the longer I think about the events surrounding 6/25/09, the more I get sucked back in to it.

mattie · January 2014

Which is a huge shame and if I think about it for too long it will break my heart, because it just kills me to think there will be no justice for MJ, that he will forever go down in history as a weirdo, suspected child-molesting, drug addict who once was a really great singer and dancer but who's life spiraled quickly out of control and culminated in a very shameful and public demise. And that disgusts me so much I just want to wash my hands of it and bury everything MJ. quote from Bec This is exactly how i feel. And if this is the case what about everything happend, like the family making money of it and feed us with ,,Clues,,to keep us going?? It maybe a dream..but we did not make it up entirely by our self..we did not dream al the things that did not fit. :icon_e_confused: (hope you understand what i mean,and my writing?) My toughts about the Family wil be verry different if there was no hoax,if there was no fighting for justice and Michael behind it :icon_neutral: I also dont understand why Souza does not respond by now? she was so certain in her believe last time..she must be disappointed to? Everyting i said was not to hurt anyone. i have a lot of respect for al here! Mattie :smiley-vault-misc-150:

blankie · January 2014

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 I'm still watching because I know Michael is alive. And as long as he is alive, there is always the chance (and IMO, a very good chance) that he will return. Not only for us to see, but the world - no uncertainty. I believe the hoax is the culmination of his life's work and he will have much more to say when he comes back. The signs of the hoax point to a comeback... I realize that plans can change but I don't think this is over or will remain unresolved. Honestly, I couldn't stop watching even if I tried. MJ is still communicating with us.

Totally, TOTALLY :icon_razz: agree Andrea !!!! :bearhug: :th_bravo:

TypeONegative · January 2014

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 I'm waiting for the truth. There are too many bizarre circumstances surrounding Michael's death. If it's not a hoax... I believe his death was deliberate, a set up. Michael was a very intelligent, self-educated, and self-aware man. There is no doubt in my mind... Michael would NOT use propofol as a sleeping medication. Michael cared about his health, but mostly, Michael cared beyond measure for his children. I do not for one second believe that Michael would ask for propofol without knowing what it was supposed to be used for or the risks. For that reason, there is no way Michael would use propofol knowing that he may not wake up and leave his three children as orphans.

this is the exact thing I said when the news came out that he died of the propofol overdose, I said michael was afraid of a coca cola for the sake of his health, it was that very moment I knew it was a lie he wouldn't do that to himself and just like others said they are here because we know he is alive, g this to end or atleast for michael to give us another new clue like he did with Dave Dave perhaps he could become al perhaps new celebrity until people know it is him then finally come back. We have to get the medias attention so that we can get Michael to see we are here supporting him and also someone should do a voice analysis to prove he was Dave Dave then put that proof on the news and then bam he will surface, but I don't want to sound disrespectful I do understand that if michael wants to be left alone we should respect that but if he wants to be left alone then why make so many ways to show us he is alive? Reasons like fake death photos,being Dave Dave,video survalnce was down,jermain saying the airport,the casket being closed and tons more others that I could go on for ever with this just says michael is definitely alive :Pullingair: well I guess soethings we will never kniw I also find it strange how much president Obama became president right before MJS death. Well keep believing and let's work together to make this hit the media and ill admit michael is my life's inspiration and his music is beautiful as are his videos and himself I really hope he comes out soon, love this site and hope someday we can akk come here and talk about how right we were lol the site remain open when Michael Jackson returns? I hope so because you all inspre me as well with all your honest kindness and love for Michel and one another. Take care everyone

LunaCielo · January 2014

What keeps you here? Aka, what makes you keep watching? I :moonwalk_:... The situation is much more complex than it seems ... Let's not forget that Michael Jackson has struggled against the so-called powers and he had challenged them to a duel dangerous, extremely dangerous. King of mystery but also the wise direction of its existence, to organize a plan like this intelligent and meticulous , Michael has come up with step by step the most amazing coincidences. Unexplained at the moment. Our perseverance and patience needed to join together the steps , dots , coincidences , and all that will be ... should not decrease the apparent absence of " evidence" or " BUM " . Do not forget that the end of the hoax is not only the "return" of Michael , but achieving success against the powers that be . Let's look at the reality , the fierce resistance of many politicians in collusion or complicity with criminal activity and offenders against the innocence of children . How many pedophiles sitting on armchairs of international tribunals that protect their accomplices ? Michael fought against pedophilia ,that is minefield ! For the law of retaliation ,Michael was accused ! Michael was defamed , insulted , mocked ! Do you think it is easy to fight against these criminals ? Michael fought against drugs and chemicals , against the trade of child prostitution . Do you know how many famous people belong to seven who buy children for human sacrifice or sex ? ! To knock over the table of the merchants is not easy and quick ! I was and am on the side of Michael and his passionate love with his interior purity for the world . We must , each of us in his little life, do not stop fighting against immorality and degradation of the core values of existence.This is the strong message of Michael! This is why I'm still here , I will stay here until the bubble burst of lies and deceit against Michael will lead the criminals (with full name) in front any Court. :judge-smiley: :moonwalk_:

Why are you still watching?

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