If You Really Want To Know The Truth

I just happened to scan your thread about Kat & Howard Mann legal fight with the estate. Don't forget that H. Mann "found" something very embarrassing related to "MJ" that he agreed to suppress/destroy if Kat went into business with him (translatation = commercial blackmail?) This was previously discussed last year on this site - you's all can dig it up yourself, ok? Further - Do you remember a blog called MJFiles? (Ever wonder "WHY" it dissapeared?) All I will say is it was REAL scary for the participants of that site! Why? They had some real savvy investigators on that site. (One was an actual former PI) That site/blog was Shut Down (by Very TBTB) If you had ever read that site, you would have seen all the Big News Agencies followed it. There is a reason why the Big media followed it (Not MJ fans - they did not like it as it dealt in Reality) I can't go into it here (or anywhere for that matter) but if you had ever read MJFiles you will have the truth about What and Who killed MJ (and Yes - He IS Dead) Once you hit on "The Truth",your site too,will be shut down by the All Powerful Media Machine. Bu you don't have to worry about that here because you's all live in Fantasy Land where you disrespect MJ by supporting his enemies and detractors, like tmz. So continue your fun and games on MJ's carcass - you all are no better than the vultures. (theres only about 30 of you left now - so continue your fantasy instead of demanding justice for MJ!)
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  • RKRK Posts: 3,019
    remember it well. Even read the site and recall when some member ( Steve Delve?) posted here. If my memory serves me rightly. It was a long time ago.
  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
    Illusions mean things are not always as they seem.
  • I remember it well. I also remember that many of the members on there were also at odds as with most sites I’ve visited over the years. Delusion can be defined as seeing what isn’t there or seeing what others refuse to see. Its up to each individual to make up his mind. No one can do it for him.
  • I was a regular on that site for about a month, and remember reading the blogs of a so called former PI, the blogs were interesting but I did not take them to serious, because I do not have anyway of knowing if he was really who he says that he was. He could have been, he could not have been...
  • becca26becca26 Posts: 789
    Wow what a nice person.....not!!!!!!!....... <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> troll
  • I was a regular on that site for about a month, and remember reading the blogs of a so called former PI, the blogs were interesting but I did not take them to serious, because I do not have anyway of knowing if he was really who he says that he was. He could have been, he could not have been...

    That's so funny! You are on a Hoax site - but you discounted a PI cause he could not "Prove" who he was? That is just hilarious! (I wonder just "how" you "prove" what you espouse here?) Anyway - just so you know...it was Not the PI that uncovered the details of MJ's murder and Who was involved... it was "lesser knowns" that discovered it, and the so-called PI agreed with them. (Oh - he had his own site and the power brokers shut him up too!) When the PB's shut you up - you can be sure you hit on "something sensitive"? (I was going to say "the truth", but that is too positive and I have to be as "vague" as possible, ok?)
  • I was a regular on that site for about a month, and remember reading the blogs of a so called former PI, the blogs were interesting but I did not take them to serious, because I do not have anyway of knowing if he was really who he says that he was. He could have been, he could not have been...

    DiTTO that comment.
  • Ok,here is a blog, about what I remember reading on the site last year. However I vaguely remember this may have already been discussed on this site awhile back?. If this is correct, please excuse this being posted again.

    "Exclusive: Michael Jackson Private Investigator Speaks Out
    An ex-private investigator working in Las Vegas in the 90’s, was an insider in a plot to discredit Michael Jackson. Here he reveals exclusively to mjfiles how the conspiracy against Michael Jackson began:

    “Michael Jackson was a guest of Steve Wynn, at His Mirage Casino, in Las Vegas, on several occasions. This was around the same time LaToya was on stage in Paris, with the Moulin Rouge. I was working part time for a Las Vegas private detective, and commuting to Los Angeles, to work on films.

    The investigator I worked for had someone at the Mirage Casino, to call when Michael was visiting, or if he and his driver/bodyguard was going out at night. I thought at the time, that the Boss wanted to get into some paparazzi action, because it was not a case the agency was working on.

    My teacher and chief investigator [at the agency], told me some of the information he was getting on Michael Jackson. At that time, he thought it was very funny. Michael would be driven around parking lots, and thru fast food places, and his guy would jump out and run into stores while Michael would stay in the car. MJ was cruising the parking lot for these reasons; celebs have a hard time just looking around, I have driven several around parking lots myself, just to get a malt and look at the lights, but MJ was being driven around the area known as the ‘Fruit Loop’, and in the parking lot of the Gypsy Bar (the oldest gay club in Las Vegas). He also was at the Glass Pool, this is an Icon of a motel, in the fashion world (lots of still shoots).

    On July the 11th [1993], I got the call to come over to The Bosses house to have a drink, and that is when I was told about working a case to discredit Michael Jackson. And be around for the first calls. It was then clear to see this was in the planning stages for some time. My teacher and Chief investigator, knew I grew up in LA, and had worked all over the town, plus he wanted super good video, on this case. This was the day the office got the first calls about Michael and Jordan. June S. [Schwartz] was in a panic over what she had just seen, (that day or the day before ?) and it is my understanding that it was part of the settlement, to never repeat it.

    [That same month] My Boss said,’hey would you like to go to Beverly Hills and go to Melvin Belli’s 86th birthday party’ I said yes, very fast. Melvin Belli was the Bosses ‘Gumba’ [friend] and I knew it would be some bash. I was at Melvin’s birthday party around July the 28th in Beverly Hills, and at that party this was said by someone that was (PI) that I thought was on MJ’s side, ‘they are going to clean him’ him being MJ, and this was said with laughter.

    MY boss said the case was to prove MJ was a ‘chicken hawk’, and was contributing to the delinquency of a minor, but June thought it was to prove molestation. This is a very important point. June did not have the money to pay for such a big case, let alone Melvin Belli, old or not. Jordan was a way to get something on Michael without it being straight-out blackmail.

    This is all a fact, and more than a few people in Las Vegas know about this. We never got to do the case. Evan Chandler got costody of Jordan, and took it to the police. It was my understanding, that the case was not to be about children, or go public. The ‘Devils’ are in the details of what happened…”


  • …and to think he called himself a “private” investigator. The real concerns for me was how long did he keep his job and what were his reasons for so much disclosure on a public site. That being one reason I took what he said a bit hesitantly.
  • So you think there is only about 30 of us believers left?? REALLY??
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  • So you think there is only about 30 of us believers left?? REALLY??
    :lol:

    Well. only 4 have responded so far - BUT - This is your probem! You view MJ's Death as a "Contest", don't you? How do you think he would feel, were he alive? (and he is dead, I'm sorry to inform you!) This is how rediculous and immature you are. MJ is Dead and YOU want to make his death a Contest? Go look at yourself in the mirror and say this, ok? You are one sick puppy! You think because you Fantasize that he is alive - that makes you a Saint? Get Real! That makes you Satanic! (Which is what "They" want - YOU are a "Sheeple"!)
  • hopehope Posts: 543
    So you think there is only about 30 of us believers left?? REALLY??
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    Well. only 4 have responded so far - BUT - This is your probem! You view MJ's Death as a "Contest", don't you? How do you think he would feel, were he alive? (and he is dead, I'm sorry to inform you!) This is how rediculous and immature you are. MJ is Dead and YOU want to make his death a Contest? Go look at yourself in the mirror and say this, ok? You are one sick puppy! You think because you Fantasize that he is alive - that makes you a Saint? Get Real! That makes you Satanic! (Which is what "They" want - YOU are a "Sheeple"!)
    So, is Teddy Riley and Akon included in that 30 ? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
  • "hope&quot wrote:
    So you think there is only about 30 of us believers left?? REALLY??
    :lol:

    Well. only 4 have responded so far - BUT - This is your probem! You view MJ's Death as a "Contest", don't you? How do you think he would feel, were he alive? (and he is dead, I'm sorry to inform you!) This is how rediculous and immature you are. MJ is Dead and YOU want to make his death a Contest? Go look at yourself in the mirror and say this, ok? You are one sick puppy! You think because you Fantasize that he is alive - that makes you a Saint? Get Real! That makes you Satanic! (Which is what "They" want - YOU are a "Sheeple"!)
    So, is Teddy Riley and Akon included in that 30 ? :?

    MJ demise was the "Warning" to these (that are controlled by same type of handlers) so they will say/perform what they are told to save their skin. (Jeez, you have not figured this out by now?) Look at Justin B. How much you wanna bet he won't have a Melt-Down about 2 years from now? This kid is so Over-Exposed it make me want to puke - everywhere I look - There he is! I predict he will self-destruct before is is 20 years old!
  • So you think there is only about 30 of us believers left?? REALLY??
    <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

    Well. only 4 have responded so far - BUT - This is your probem! You view MJ's Death as a "Contest", don't you? How do you think he would feel, were he alive? (and he is dead, I'm sorry to inform you!) This is how rediculous and immature you are. MJ is Dead and YOU want to make his death a Contest? Go look at yourself in the mirror and say this, ok? You are one sick puppy! You think because you Fantasize that he is alive - that makes you a Saint? Get Real! That makes you Satanic! (Which is what "They" want - YOU are a "Sheeple"!)
    So, is Teddy Riley and Akon included in that 30 ? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

    MJ demise was the "Warning" to these (that are controlled by same type of handlers) so they will say/perform what they are told to save their skin. (Jeez, you have not figured this out by now?) Look at Justin B. How much you wanna bet he won't have a Melt-Down about 2 years from now? This kid is so Over-Exposed it make me want to puke - everywhere I look - There he is! I predict he will self-destruct before is is 20 years old!
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    @unsub
    You talkin' to me?? You don't know me. All I said to you was that I basically believed that there were more
    than 30 believers left and you go ballistic. Sorry that you feel such a hatred toward us believers. We are not
    here to hurt anyone and NO we do not view this as a contest. Immature?? COME ON. I guess that would put
    you in the same category for reading our forum.
    Sorry about your anger issues. Try and have a good day/night wherever you are. Blessings.
  • "hope&quot wrote:
    So you think there is only about 30 of us believers left?? REALLY??
    :lol:

    Well. only 4 have responded so far - BUT - This is your probem! You view MJ's Death as a "Contest", don't you? How do you think he would feel, were he alive? (and he is dead, I'm sorry to inform you!) This is how rediculous and immature you are. MJ is Dead and YOU want to make his death a Contest? Go look at yourself in the mirror and say this, ok? You are one sick puppy! You think because you Fantasize that he is alive - that makes you a Saint? Get Real! That makes you Satanic! (Which is what "They" want - YOU are a "Sheeple"!)
    So, is Teddy Riley and Akon included in that 30 ? :?

    MJ demise was the "Warning" to these (that are controlled by same type of handlers) so they will say/perform what they are told to save their skin. (Jeez, you have not figured this out by now?) Look at Justin B. How much you wanna bet he won't have a Melt-Down about 2 years from now? This kid is so Over-Exposed it make me want to puke - everywhere I look - There he is! I predict he will self-destruct before is is 20 years old!


    You talkin' to me?? You don't know me. All I said to you was that I basically believed that there were more
    than 30 believers left and you go ballistic. Sorry that you feel such a hatred toward us believers. We are not
    here to hurt anyone and NO we do not view this as a contest. Immature?? COME ON. I guess that would put
    you in the same category for reading our forum.
    Sorry about your anger issues. Try and have a good day/night wherever you are. Blessings.

    I never said I was "Angry" - You are obviously Projecting Your OWN emotion on to Me! I am totaly Unemotional (which diffentiates Me from You) It is people like YOU - Who have an emotional attachment to anything "Jackson" who react Irrationally. You are the one who's Angry because you refuse to believe MJ is Dead! (I am sympathetic to you, but you need to face reality, ok? MJ really is Dead) All I can say is I'm Sorry, OK?
  • hopehope Posts: 543
    @ unsub
    With all due respect....do you have solid proof to back up your story that Michael is dead ? Because we have almost 2 years of stuff that says it's ALMOST impossible. We have had numerous people just like you telling us he is dead, yet they cant give names, proof, how, when, where, or why. What makes you so different that we should believe you ? Seems to me this so called PI, after giving his/her long detailed story, would be putting their own life at risk <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
  • DatrootDatroot Posts: 1,314
    Maybe you should try a different forrum then - byeeeee.
  • finfinfinfin Posts: 648
    Wow what a nice person.....not!!!!!!!....... <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> troll
    Maybe you should try a different forrum then - byeeeee.
    We have had trolls like you before, the tone and language says it all.
    Don't let the door hit you on the way out, chum
  • These people are so ridiculous til it aint funny. They come onto this forum throwing around their so call facts or whatever it is to tell us that Michael is dead but not one shred of proof. They are bold enough to tell us all this crap but nothing other than these accusations or statements that cant hold a bit of water in it. If someone with some sense and "not afraid to open up and tell us the honest to God truth of what really happened to Michael then and only then maybe we will be willing to finally accept it and until then I will not change my mind or heart for that matter. Everyone who thinks they know everything comes onto this forum ridiculing us and calling us crazy but gives us nothing to think otherwise. Michael is dead so stay off this forum if that is what you believe.
  • RKRK Posts: 3,019
    You remind me of a former member here who used to post under the name " good let's dance"
  • To the original poster, I speak for myself. I am on this site because it is virtually the only one left that allows people to have “other opinions”. There are people here, myself included, who refuse to accept status quo due to the vast amount of fuck ups and lies the “media types" are throwing out there as fact. I am not convinced still either way. That is why I appreciate the ability to “research and investigate”. Some theories even here I don’t agree with, but that’s okay because that’s the point of being here, to be able to at least openly have a discussion.

    I don’t know that Michael Jackson is alive. I don’t know that he is dead. But somewhere between the two of those realities lay the truth. The one thing I say with conviction is that if he is dead, he was murdered and it involves more than that which the non-believers are willing to blindly accept. Words like “conspiracy” are shunned by that community; to bring that word up means that poor Conrad Murray won’t get to serve his four or less years for “killing” Michael Jackson. God forbid. Many would rather he be tried on the involuntary manslaughter charge so he will at least (probably?) do a few years, than take the risk that he will do no time at all which baffles me. But who is to say that he will serve one day? Then what?

    If Michael Jackson was murdered and he was my child, I would rather take that risk and expose everybody/anybody else than back down and accept what is being offered. It is possible that a conviction might not be the outcome, but I woud go down fighting and seriously inconvenience some people who think they are invincible and untouchable.

    So yes, I appreciate this forum. Until given some real conclusive proof that Michael is indeed dead from an overdose of propofol given by Conrad Murray, accidentally, and without cohesion, I will continue to be. Because if death is the truth, then Conrad Murray sholdnt be the only one being seriously looked at. The ball was dropped right there.
  • fordtocarrfordtocarr Posts: 1,547
    I just happened to scan your thread about Kat & Howard Mann legal fight with the estate. Don't forget that H. Mann "found" something very embarrassing related to "MJ" that he agreed to suppress/destroy if Kat went into business with him (translatation = commercial blackmail?) This was previously discussed last year on this site - you's all can dig it up yourself, ok? Further - Do you remember a blog called MJFiles? (Ever wonder "WHY" it dissapeared?) All I will say is it was REAL scary for the participants of that site! Why? They had some real savvy investigators on that site. (One was an actual former PI) That site/blog was Shut Down (by Very TBTB) If you had ever read that site, you would have seen all the Big News Agencies followed it. There is a reason why the Big media followed it (Not MJ fans - they did not like it as it dealt in Reality) I can't go into it here (or anywhere for that matter) but if you had ever read MJFiles you will have the truth about What and Who killed MJ (and Yes - He IS Dead) Once you hit on "The Truth",your site too,will be shut down by the All Powerful Media Machine. Bu you don't have to worry about that here because you's all live in Fantasy Land where you disrespect MJ by supporting his enemies and detractors, like tmz. So continue your fun and games on MJ's carcass - you all are no better than the vultures. (theres only about 30 of you left now - so continue your fantasy instead of demanding justice for MJ!)

    OH!!! I'm not going to beLIEve Michael is alive anymore...JUST BECAUSE YOU CAME ON OUR SITE AND GAVE ME YOUR THOUGHTS. Just because you say he's dead I'm going to believer YOU, instead of all the hundreds of items of proof that you are wrong. Even though you can type into the internet that Michael is alive or is not dead and get hundreds of sites agreeing to that. Even though polls say over 75% of people agreed with that. But, just because YOU choose to come into a beLIEver's site, I'm going to change my whole beLIEf system and now beLIEve YOU. Are you insane??? If we went into a haters site and state that we are beLIEvers and they should now beLIEve simply because we are beLIEvers, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO US??? OMG we'd be called such horrible names, ridiculed...threatened. So, here you are, on a beLIEvers site being a hater, but I'm going to follow YOUR thoughts, not MY and others research????
    You are delusional. You need to take your own reasonings for NOT beLIEving, and look into the mirror and ask, "who am I to think anyone on that site should listen to me".
  • wishingstarwishingstar Posts: 2,927
    Interesting timing for all this......
    I don't appreciate being called a vulture who looks at the world through rose colored glasses, however, I do appreciate being challenged in my thoughts. It's times like these that I step back and re-look everything....I mean everything. I always gain perspective and feel stronger for what I believe. This applies to all my life, not just here......timing is everything!

    Blessings ALWAYS!
  • To the poster of this thread...this is bogus and it seems like you are one of those people who just likes to hate what other people do because you don't like it. The so called PI didn't even state any evidence and his writing was far too unprofessional to be considered serious. People say and do things for attention, like you. I don't know why they feel this need for negative attention though. It's so odd. But you should leave the people here be and go on with your negative way elsewhere. We don't need that kind of attitude here. The people here work hard to find evidence supporting that Michael is alive, and yes there are so many clues of him being alive, and quite frankly as far as I know, none for him being dead.
    So with that, prove it. Prove everything you say and maybe people will take you seriously. Otherwise, get out.
  • I agree, all these non-believers are coming on here saying that we must accept the fact that Michael is dead but not giving us any proof to believe what they say. Some of them are saying he was murdered and they know who did it but not one of them are pushing it any further. All they are interested in is making money off of Michael, and yes if it was my son I don't care I would be singing and shouting names until someone hears me but everyone is just going about their business and their daily lives like Michael never existed or what happened to him is just fine and we should accept it and move on. Not many have stood up for him throughout his life with all of the hate and accusations thrown at him and what he had to endure no one deserves that he needs a voice and he has ours no matter what. Yes we will go on and yes we will accept it when someone comes and stands up and speak up as to what really happened on 06/25/09 but no one has and what are we to believe other than something happened and it wasn't Michael's death, too many lies, discrepancies, fakes and different stories. Michael was sick, no he wasn't Michael was healthy. Michael was a drug addict, no he wasn't Michael agreed to do 50 concerts, no he didn't he agreed to only 10. What the hell is going on that is all we want to know. Someone to come clean and tell us the truth. The news got out quick when Michael did something "weird" or to trash him its all over the media but who is going to stand up for him now please tell me that and when you can then we will be willing to accept it.
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