No defibrulator present on 6-25
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From the old forum, Shikster brought up the no defib argument. Not only was there no defib present at MJs house, despite the fact that Dr. Murray is a cardiologist, but also Dr. Murray refused to allow EMTs to defib MJ at the scene or on the way to the hospital.
Why would this be? If it truly was MJ's dead body laying there and Dr. Murray indeed believed he was facing manslaughter charges, what justification is there for not zapping that corpse into next week?
This simple fact alone makes me believe either we have MJ in make up playing dead on the bed, or an extremely realitstic Hollywood style dummy that Dr. Murray was afraid would catch on fire or melt.
(Originally posted 8-4-09, brought here because I think it's an important bit for folks to remember, especially considering recent Dr. Murray events in the news. Since I posted this on MJKit, I have disregarded the dummy theory. Just an example of what further research can begin to reveal to you if you remain focused on common sense and logic.)
Why would this be? If it truly was MJ's dead body laying there and Dr. Murray indeed believed he was facing manslaughter charges, what justification is there for not zapping that corpse into next week?
This simple fact alone makes me believe either we have MJ in make up playing dead on the bed, or an extremely realitstic Hollywood style dummy that Dr. Murray was afraid would catch on fire or melt.
(Originally posted 8-4-09, brought here because I think it's an important bit for folks to remember, especially considering recent Dr. Murray events in the news. Since I posted this on MJKit, I have disregarded the dummy theory. Just an example of what further research can begin to reveal to you if you remain focused on common sense and logic.)
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didnt they say Michael had a faint pulse? how come he didnt give him oxygen?
this brings me to the Dr definatly knowing that he was not going to get blamed for the death of MJ.. otherwise.. PANIC STATIONS all round de-fibbing so to speak left right an centre!!
this is a positive for us investigators i think!!!
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I could probably pay for college..
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i dunno but if this would the case then would you do CPR?? and work on him for over an hour!! i've read loads of stuff on CPR an everyone is different!!
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very true! i hear she really needs the money, rotfl!!!
so in one instance he knew a defib wasnt needed for the situation though he doesnt know how to administer CPR properly. is he a real doctor or not? sheesh.. lol
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
"supply of supplemental oxygen, artificial ventilation and cardiovascular resuscitation are not available"
MAYBE THE DOCTORS MUST USE SOME ANTIDOT, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT KNOWING THAT WAS PROPOFOL, I READ SOMETHING ABOUT THAT OF A DOCTOR MOUTH....
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Hello,
I'm still a student in the health area, but as far as I know, if that was the case, he needed ventilation first, that is, before CPR or defibrilation.
I've heard about the antidote too...
I mean he said that he did on the bed. SERIOUSLY??
instead of calling 911 he first administered CPR even when he didnt know how?
did the 911 call come before Cpr or vice versa?
To the best of my knowledge, if a heart is still beating then you DO NOT use a defib, because that can actually STOP the heart completely. BUT, my bro in law was rushed to the hospital the other day with a racing heart of 180/130 or something and they actually defibbed him in the ambie to slow his heart down and it worked without killing him.
I think if you use a defib on someone with a normal to very slow heartbeat, you can stop the heart..........Im not a dr so dont quote me on this.
"was he on the floor.. "
"no"
"well get him on the floor"
and obviously they still didn't so it!! also i'm not sure who said it.. said that Murray had one hand underneath Michaels back an the other hand was on his chest doing chest compressions!! NOWAY!! is that possible!! they also commented on how a Dr should know how to do CPR properly.. And questioned why the security guard rang 911 and talked to the operator an not the DR.. <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
You are right, I have worked at a cardiac surgery department (don't know how to say in english <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ) and I've seen it there a lot of times. They use it for example when someone has an irregular heart rhythm.
Additionally, reports were circulated that MJ had been "dead" for hours pre 911 call, that EMTs wanted to pronounce dead at the scene, that Murray overruled them and forced them to transport to the hospital....
... all rumors that to me seem designed to cover up inconsistancies such as:
-no emergency lights on the ambulance,
-slow driving,
-no life saving actions witnessed upon arrival to UCLA, no IV, no CPR, no rush,
-not signing the DEATH CERTIFICATE at UCLA but instead making it a coronor's case,
-no UCLA doc wanting to make a statement.....
SO.
WHY NO DEFIB THEN IF HE WAS SO "DEAD"???
Why aren't we zapping the crap out of the stiff? It's MICHAEL JACKSON...
These reports seem to want to have it both ways. Upon EMT arrival/UCLA addmission, he was "dead" enough to necessitate no hurry OR he was alive enough to require no defib.
We ARE being tested by this hoax. Are we going to believe what we hear in the news when it doesn't make any sense at all?