Criticizing TIAI!
RestlessSoul
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EDIT: Ok as the other post of mine that criticize TS locked again, I should take what I had written in that one here because the post you see down at the bottom was made by me on March 9th! So here's my recent thoughts about TS.
Hello everybody.
As the other post was locked, I thought to make a new post where we can talk and discuss about TIAI. I'm personally not that sure if TS is legit. I don't say that I don't like or disagree with what TS writes. I agree with his theories 70%. I was very impressed when he made the post about 1998 code etc. But the information is NOT the only thing that makes someone a FAKE. If someone can NOT prove the identitiy he/she/they claim/claims, that makes that person a FAKE too! TS keeps on saying that he KNOWS about the hoax and he mentioned that he's related with the Jacksons because Jacksons made that "revealed" tweet for TIAI, right? But when we ask him to tell Jacksons to write "This is also it" on their Twitter, he says he doesn't have anything to prove. On the contrary I believe that he does need that. Not ONLY for us to believe in him but also for us to spread Michael's message easily. If he was really related to Michael and the Jacksons, and if there was a message to be spread out, would he ask from the Jacksons to do it or not? Would Michael want TS to prove his relation with the Jacksons or not? If this's all about the message, then what is he waiting for?
I never underestimated the information he has given but I see many smart people make very interesting, smart posts. I haven't found anything special in his/her posts than a smart one makes. What prediction did he make except the thing in TII? And we all had predicted those things before he did, there was nothing new! Ohh wait, he/she found 77 days later and 7 days later it's the 9.9.9. But without the reckoning system it makes 71 days and the ambulance's number was 71 too. So I'm sure that we can find different theories about it. Also the hoax video makers find such amazing things too. Are they all insiders?
And yeah, he makes posts and then TMZ make same kind of posts, but we all know that TMZ is reading the forum. They possibly read TS' updates and make news. They use all of our words not only TS'.
Ts told us that TMZ is giving us clues about Michael but if you watched Jermaine's last interview with LK, he said that family is NOT happy with what TMZ is doing! So, why would Jermaine say this if TMZ is really in on the hoax?
TS wrote that very few are involved with the hoax but I totally disagree with that. I see many celebrities started to talk about Michael is alive like Akon. I do believe that Usher, Puff Diddy, Black Eyed Peas, Beyonce even maybe GAGA are in on the hoax. Larry King, Mac Culkin, Elizabeth Taylor and the list goes on! So how can a "few" people involve in the hoax?
He didn't say anything to us about the coming hearings, he never says anything about what's going to happen after all, he never tells us what's the role of the siblings or friends in this hoax. He just says "Don't lose hope whatever happens" yeah nice words... Why does he know nothing about the BAMsday? He keeps on delaying it, and when it doesn't happen he tries to save the day and write "I didn't use the word Bamsday but I used Return" yeah right! I'm sure that I can find many more things why I think that he may not be legit.
Pls feel free to share your opinions. BUT don't forget that I've already written I agree with his theories 70-80%. All I'm saying is, the information he gives doesn't prove that he's related with Michael. He can be a smart investigator. I do NOT care who he is, his name etc but I do care if he's seriously related with Michael, because he could be giving false hope to people about the BAMSDAY! What if Michael is never ever going to come back. What would you feel about it? Just keep in mind all possibilities.
New EDIT: The point that most of you do NOT understand is, I've always and always written why I want TS to be proved by the Jacksons. It's NOT just for myself like the way you accuse me. I also want it because everyone will understand that TS is really related with the Jacksons and we can spread Michael's message easily! So which part don't you get about this? You think that I'm asking it for selfish reasons but it's NOT! Don't you want to spread Michael's message? So are you doing it? And think about everyone start believing in TS and think about HOW FAST and EASY we could spread the truth! The Jacksons do not need to write This Is Also It if they think that it would be so obvious. We can pick up a special code and tell it to TS and the Jacksons can tweet that word we chose and we became sure. What's wrong with this? If TS is really related with them, he/she could have done this long time ago.
You tried to make ElvisandMJdotcom a TT on twitter. Could you make it? Nope you couldn't! But I told you so, right? Did you think why you couldn't make it? Because there're a FEW people who believe TS! Why wouldn't TS make this number rise if there's a message to be spread up. And I'm giving you how he/she could make it. We pick up a word and Jacksons make it a tweet. How hard can this be to do and how can it be dangerous about the hoax? No way. Stop finding lies to defend TS. Even if this is Michael's message, and even if TS is related with the hoax, this is NOT the way to spread it. Sorry but you guys are on the wrong path! I don't believe that Michael would want us to believe TS when on the other side lots of things are going on like the first year anniversary, the book and films his mother is going to publish, Murray's hearings, Joe's suing AEG, Murray and the two clinics, Randy's words and so on and on! We are confused, we're terrified, we're scared! We just want to know if he's alive and fine and that's all. When all of this drama going on around, how could Michael ask from us to believe in TS only? Sorry but that would be something selfish and that's definitely NOT Michael's nature. Do NOT tell me that I don't know Michael because I DO! Maybe I'm NOT hired by him but this man has been in my life for more than 35 years!
If Michael had a message about NWO and illuminati he would have shown us a clue in TII! Where were the clues? If Michael had a message to be spread out, he would have done something, found a better way to make it spread out. He would have told TS to do what I had been offering to do. He would have understood how important this is for the sake of the message. Doesn't he see that you can not spread it like this? If he's following the forum like you say? Of course he does, so why isn't he doing something? No, Michael is a genius and I'm 100% sure that he would do something else. And if he was going to come back all of these things wouldn't go this deep! He's waiting for us to spread the message before he comes back like you said? I don't think so because you're running circles and this will make him wait forever! I want everyone to think with their own logic. Most of you guys are like parrots. You keep on telling the same old story that you heard from a storyteller. Isn't it enough? I'm telling you to think out of the box. I know that you were told that if you believed in storytellers, you would be thinking out of the box but what if they were putting you in a box? Don't forget to think the other side of the story. The story could be right but what if it's wrong? I'm just telling you to think both sides. I'm giving you both of the reasons why it could be right and why it could be wrong. You do the same and ask yourselves why it could be bad or hard if TS did the thing we had been asking from him/her to do? Wouldn't it be easier to spread the message? Wouldn't you all be relieved? Be honest to yourselves and think once more.
Love and Peace.
My old post about TS that I made in March:
@TS
Ok, first of all I want to say that this is NOT a hate mail. I'm going to criticize TS a little bit. I’ve been reading all of the posts on this board for a long time and I decided to write. I read all of TIAI’s posts too. TIAI was the only reliable source for me until Murray’s case but later on things started to change. Let me explain this for you pls.
Ok, -TS says that he had “predictions” about the resurrection scene in TII. And I’m asking: ‘Was it so hard to predict this?’ I had already known myself that there was going to be a resurrection scene in the film.
-TS told us about the important days and how they can be related to Michael. And I’m saying: ‘Someone who knows Michael and his favorite 7s could tell us about the important days such as the funeral or the release date of the film, film’s poster etc.
-TS told us Michael’s relation with illuminati and NWO. And I’m saying, I had already known about them all and how they had been threatening Michael etc.
I’m NOT trying to underestimate the work of TS, yes the redirects and all of the writings are very clever BUT all of the “predictions” TS made, could be made by someone who has been following Michael’s life! If TS is really related to Michael and he exactly knows what’s going to happen when, why didn’t he warn us about the coming up trial on their last update?
TS first told us that Michael was going to come back after the public watched the film and learnt about the hoax. I’m asking all of you. What kind of proof was there in TII for all of the public to understand that Michael is alive? Only us, the believers investigated about Gilda and the meaning of spider and understood about it. Most of Michael’s fans didn’t even understand that those scenes were about resurrection. How could Michael pretend all public to understand the message of those scenes?
TS told us the first comeback day was the Halloween but it was postponed to January 25th. And it never happened. On TS’ last update, he wrote that the LAST delay is not going to take that long this time. It’s been 1,5 mounths already. And nothing happened. Besides we know that Jermaine is preparing a tribute for Michael in June 8th! I know that many tributes were cancelled but ‘what if’ this one is true? We need to think everything. If it is true, Michael is NOT coming back until summer!
TS told us the relation of TMZ and the hoax. Yes, it’s very easy to understand it from the news TMZ makes. BUT how do we know that TS is NOT an employee of TMZ? And if TMZ works for Michael, how come they call Michael as ‘Jacko’ and Blanket as ‘electric blanket’? What if some employee’s of TMZ were hired by SONY or AEG to keep the interest and attention high for better sales! We all know how the marketing works.
After very long 8 mounts, this has been such a very very exhausting journey for us all. And we’re the ones who investigate and try to understand everything about this. We had and still have many people who say that they’re related to Michael and the hoax. And there’re several theories. Some say Michael is in a coma and that explains family’s reaction and Murray is still a free man. Some say he was murdered by SONY-AEG or illuminati. Some say he died in 2005. Some say he’s alive but not coming back and some say he is alive and he will come back. There’s one thing that I’m sure of. WE’RE ALL SO TIRED and we need SPECIFIC things to make us sure that Michael is alive and healthy and about the time he’s coming back! We don’t want no more trials, tributes or delays for a comeback.
And to people who ask why the comeback is so important, I say there’s NOTHING more important than that for the most of us! BECAUSE we can never ever be sure Michael is alive and healthy until we see him in flesh and bone with our own eyes! I got his message about illuminati, media and all evil things BUT I don’t believe his message can be spread UNTIL HE COMES BACK! Noone believes us and they think that we’re all freaks. ONLY MICHAEL CAN PROVE THE OPPOSITE and after he comes back people will start to listen what we’re saying!
And I have a couple of questions in my mind. If Michael was going to come back soon, why did he decide to have Murray’s trial? Why Karen has been blaming Kenny and AEG? And why WHY did Randy Jackson joined Karen, and started to blame Kenny? People are sending hate tweets to Kenny. Would Michael want his fans to hate his 20 year long friend? Why does Kenny make a tweet like:”MJ left this world to us” and Gotham Chopra tells us to “Let him go!” ?
If you’re really someone close to Michael, you should give us the specific DETAILS TS, no more predictions please. We need to be sure that you’re not only a smart believer or a TMZ/SONY employee! And it would be appreciated if you and some others stop telling us to focus on the message and spread it instead of thinking about the come back day. YES, MICHAEL’S COME BACK DAY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, not only for us to be sure that he’s alive and fine but also for the sake of spreading the message to the entire world.
Thank You!
Hello everybody.
As the other post was locked, I thought to make a new post where we can talk and discuss about TIAI. I'm personally not that sure if TS is legit. I don't say that I don't like or disagree with what TS writes. I agree with his theories 70%. I was very impressed when he made the post about 1998 code etc. But the information is NOT the only thing that makes someone a FAKE. If someone can NOT prove the identitiy he/she/they claim/claims, that makes that person a FAKE too! TS keeps on saying that he KNOWS about the hoax and he mentioned that he's related with the Jacksons because Jacksons made that "revealed" tweet for TIAI, right? But when we ask him to tell Jacksons to write "This is also it" on their Twitter, he says he doesn't have anything to prove. On the contrary I believe that he does need that. Not ONLY for us to believe in him but also for us to spread Michael's message easily. If he was really related to Michael and the Jacksons, and if there was a message to be spread out, would he ask from the Jacksons to do it or not? Would Michael want TS to prove his relation with the Jacksons or not? If this's all about the message, then what is he waiting for?
I never underestimated the information he has given but I see many smart people make very interesting, smart posts. I haven't found anything special in his/her posts than a smart one makes. What prediction did he make except the thing in TII? And we all had predicted those things before he did, there was nothing new! Ohh wait, he/she found 77 days later and 7 days later it's the 9.9.9. But without the reckoning system it makes 71 days and the ambulance's number was 71 too. So I'm sure that we can find different theories about it. Also the hoax video makers find such amazing things too. Are they all insiders?
And yeah, he makes posts and then TMZ make same kind of posts, but we all know that TMZ is reading the forum. They possibly read TS' updates and make news. They use all of our words not only TS'.
Ts told us that TMZ is giving us clues about Michael but if you watched Jermaine's last interview with LK, he said that family is NOT happy with what TMZ is doing! So, why would Jermaine say this if TMZ is really in on the hoax?
TS wrote that very few are involved with the hoax but I totally disagree with that. I see many celebrities started to talk about Michael is alive like Akon. I do believe that Usher, Puff Diddy, Black Eyed Peas, Beyonce even maybe GAGA are in on the hoax. Larry King, Mac Culkin, Elizabeth Taylor and the list goes on! So how can a "few" people involve in the hoax?
He didn't say anything to us about the coming hearings, he never says anything about what's going to happen after all, he never tells us what's the role of the siblings or friends in this hoax. He just says "Don't lose hope whatever happens" yeah nice words... Why does he know nothing about the BAMsday? He keeps on delaying it, and when it doesn't happen he tries to save the day and write "I didn't use the word Bamsday but I used Return" yeah right! I'm sure that I can find many more things why I think that he may not be legit.
Pls feel free to share your opinions. BUT don't forget that I've already written I agree with his theories 70-80%. All I'm saying is, the information he gives doesn't prove that he's related with Michael. He can be a smart investigator. I do NOT care who he is, his name etc but I do care if he's seriously related with Michael, because he could be giving false hope to people about the BAMSDAY! What if Michael is never ever going to come back. What would you feel about it? Just keep in mind all possibilities.
New EDIT: The point that most of you do NOT understand is, I've always and always written why I want TS to be proved by the Jacksons. It's NOT just for myself like the way you accuse me. I also want it because everyone will understand that TS is really related with the Jacksons and we can spread Michael's message easily! So which part don't you get about this? You think that I'm asking it for selfish reasons but it's NOT! Don't you want to spread Michael's message? So are you doing it? And think about everyone start believing in TS and think about HOW FAST and EASY we could spread the truth! The Jacksons do not need to write This Is Also It if they think that it would be so obvious. We can pick up a special code and tell it to TS and the Jacksons can tweet that word we chose and we became sure. What's wrong with this? If TS is really related with them, he/she could have done this long time ago.
You tried to make ElvisandMJdotcom a TT on twitter. Could you make it? Nope you couldn't! But I told you so, right? Did you think why you couldn't make it? Because there're a FEW people who believe TS! Why wouldn't TS make this number rise if there's a message to be spread up. And I'm giving you how he/she could make it. We pick up a word and Jacksons make it a tweet. How hard can this be to do and how can it be dangerous about the hoax? No way. Stop finding lies to defend TS. Even if this is Michael's message, and even if TS is related with the hoax, this is NOT the way to spread it. Sorry but you guys are on the wrong path! I don't believe that Michael would want us to believe TS when on the other side lots of things are going on like the first year anniversary, the book and films his mother is going to publish, Murray's hearings, Joe's suing AEG, Murray and the two clinics, Randy's words and so on and on! We are confused, we're terrified, we're scared! We just want to know if he's alive and fine and that's all. When all of this drama going on around, how could Michael ask from us to believe in TS only? Sorry but that would be something selfish and that's definitely NOT Michael's nature. Do NOT tell me that I don't know Michael because I DO! Maybe I'm NOT hired by him but this man has been in my life for more than 35 years!
If Michael had a message about NWO and illuminati he would have shown us a clue in TII! Where were the clues? If Michael had a message to be spread out, he would have done something, found a better way to make it spread out. He would have told TS to do what I had been offering to do. He would have understood how important this is for the sake of the message. Doesn't he see that you can not spread it like this? If he's following the forum like you say? Of course he does, so why isn't he doing something? No, Michael is a genius and I'm 100% sure that he would do something else. And if he was going to come back all of these things wouldn't go this deep! He's waiting for us to spread the message before he comes back like you said? I don't think so because you're running circles and this will make him wait forever! I want everyone to think with their own logic. Most of you guys are like parrots. You keep on telling the same old story that you heard from a storyteller. Isn't it enough? I'm telling you to think out of the box. I know that you were told that if you believed in storytellers, you would be thinking out of the box but what if they were putting you in a box? Don't forget to think the other side of the story. The story could be right but what if it's wrong? I'm just telling you to think both sides. I'm giving you both of the reasons why it could be right and why it could be wrong. You do the same and ask yourselves why it could be bad or hard if TS did the thing we had been asking from him/her to do? Wouldn't it be easier to spread the message? Wouldn't you all be relieved? Be honest to yourselves and think once more.
Love and Peace.
My old post about TS that I made in March:
@TS
Ok, first of all I want to say that this is NOT a hate mail. I'm going to criticize TS a little bit. I’ve been reading all of the posts on this board for a long time and I decided to write. I read all of TIAI’s posts too. TIAI was the only reliable source for me until Murray’s case but later on things started to change. Let me explain this for you pls.
Ok, -TS says that he had “predictions” about the resurrection scene in TII. And I’m asking: ‘Was it so hard to predict this?’ I had already known myself that there was going to be a resurrection scene in the film.
-TS told us about the important days and how they can be related to Michael. And I’m saying: ‘Someone who knows Michael and his favorite 7s could tell us about the important days such as the funeral or the release date of the film, film’s poster etc.
-TS told us Michael’s relation with illuminati and NWO. And I’m saying, I had already known about them all and how they had been threatening Michael etc.
I’m NOT trying to underestimate the work of TS, yes the redirects and all of the writings are very clever BUT all of the “predictions” TS made, could be made by someone who has been following Michael’s life! If TS is really related to Michael and he exactly knows what’s going to happen when, why didn’t he warn us about the coming up trial on their last update?
TS first told us that Michael was going to come back after the public watched the film and learnt about the hoax. I’m asking all of you. What kind of proof was there in TII for all of the public to understand that Michael is alive? Only us, the believers investigated about Gilda and the meaning of spider and understood about it. Most of Michael’s fans didn’t even understand that those scenes were about resurrection. How could Michael pretend all public to understand the message of those scenes?
TS told us the first comeback day was the Halloween but it was postponed to January 25th. And it never happened. On TS’ last update, he wrote that the LAST delay is not going to take that long this time. It’s been 1,5 mounths already. And nothing happened. Besides we know that Jermaine is preparing a tribute for Michael in June 8th! I know that many tributes were cancelled but ‘what if’ this one is true? We need to think everything. If it is true, Michael is NOT coming back until summer!
TS told us the relation of TMZ and the hoax. Yes, it’s very easy to understand it from the news TMZ makes. BUT how do we know that TS is NOT an employee of TMZ? And if TMZ works for Michael, how come they call Michael as ‘Jacko’ and Blanket as ‘electric blanket’? What if some employee’s of TMZ were hired by SONY or AEG to keep the interest and attention high for better sales! We all know how the marketing works.
After very long 8 mounts, this has been such a very very exhausting journey for us all. And we’re the ones who investigate and try to understand everything about this. We had and still have many people who say that they’re related to Michael and the hoax. And there’re several theories. Some say Michael is in a coma and that explains family’s reaction and Murray is still a free man. Some say he was murdered by SONY-AEG or illuminati. Some say he died in 2005. Some say he’s alive but not coming back and some say he is alive and he will come back. There’s one thing that I’m sure of. WE’RE ALL SO TIRED and we need SPECIFIC things to make us sure that Michael is alive and healthy and about the time he’s coming back! We don’t want no more trials, tributes or delays for a comeback.
And to people who ask why the comeback is so important, I say there’s NOTHING more important than that for the most of us! BECAUSE we can never ever be sure Michael is alive and healthy until we see him in flesh and bone with our own eyes! I got his message about illuminati, media and all evil things BUT I don’t believe his message can be spread UNTIL HE COMES BACK! Noone believes us and they think that we’re all freaks. ONLY MICHAEL CAN PROVE THE OPPOSITE and after he comes back people will start to listen what we’re saying!
And I have a couple of questions in my mind. If Michael was going to come back soon, why did he decide to have Murray’s trial? Why Karen has been blaming Kenny and AEG? And why WHY did Randy Jackson joined Karen, and started to blame Kenny? People are sending hate tweets to Kenny. Would Michael want his fans to hate his 20 year long friend? Why does Kenny make a tweet like:”MJ left this world to us” and Gotham Chopra tells us to “Let him go!” ?
If you’re really someone close to Michael, you should give us the specific DETAILS TS, no more predictions please. We need to be sure that you’re not only a smart believer or a TMZ/SONY employee! And it would be appreciated if you and some others stop telling us to focus on the message and spread it instead of thinking about the come back day. YES, MICHAEL’S COME BACK DAY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, not only for us to be sure that he’s alive and fine but also for the sake of spreading the message to the entire world.
Thank You!
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We did!!
New people have learned all about MJ and what his life has been, they are making up for your pain.
Not ungrateful, not impatient, not demanding a performance. I think many of us just need to hear you say you are OK. The man Michael Jackson is fine.
In our hearts we are sure you are but a word from you would send all of us to dancing in the streets!!!! Just one word!! Pretty please?? <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
OK back to listening to your music, bopping and dancing in my chair <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
I LOVE YOU MIchael!
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" Re: TIAI UPDATE #1: HIGH PROBABILITY OF MJ “RETURN” THIS MONTH!
Postby ZIsis » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:23 pm
When TIAI first came out, I didn't pay much attention to it. I really couldn't get why my friends were making such a big fuss over it. And it worried me, just how much faith some of us placed in it. I didn't like it that so many of us were so ??? dependent on it; as if we needed it to fuel & base our theories around about the hoax. I didn't want anyone planting ideas & manipulating us. I wanted us to be able to make our own judgements & draw our own conclusions. Most of all, I didn't want my friends hurt & let down because of their misguided & misplaced faith in TIAI. I wanted to know why TIAI was created, who it really belonged to & the true intent behind it. So yes, I had my reservations & suspicions about TIAI to begin with.
But all that started changing in February. I started to view it with different eyes. Maybe because I stopped looking so hard for "the answers". Maybe because I've always had this ingrained habit of nearly always following my heart & not listening to my head. I have been vigilantly following TIAI lately (which I didn't do earlier) & I've got to say that the more I see of it, the more I like it. Merely reading about others' opinions about TIAI never worked for me. I wanted to be able to "feel" it for myself. Like I said before, I have this penchant for following my own instincts (regardless of the 'logistics" behind anything!).
For me, it's not so much the 'clues' themselves in TIAI as much as the effect it helps create that matters most. I mean, this sense of HOPE that TIAI inspires within us. There's a lot about TIAI that I still don't understand, but that has ceased being as important now. TIAI keeps generating positivism & optimism all around. For that alone, I really, truly believe TIAI is intrinsically good. And I hope TIAI continues to lift our spirits & keep reinforcing us to believe in dreams & "the impossible".
Also, a great part about about my BeLIEver journey has always been my great yen for a return: at least one final curtain call, "properly" this time, I mean. I know this may sound childish, but I do so wish to see "the best" that was promised "yet to come", if you know what I mean <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P --> I can't say that has changed much from the beginning for me. But today, I'm at peace within myself, knowing that LIFE is truly beautiful beyond measure & that there really is SO MUCH MORE we can derive from it.
I'm not trying to influence or impose my ideas on anyone of you with this, please trust my sincerity here. And I apologise if this comes across that way. I just thought I would share what I feel with you all; that's all. "
L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!
Also a mod on a site here ,fighting against high people from banks..and the Couvernement.
A lot of people here are victem from those people.
We are planning a demostration May 7th..Do a lot of hard work in helping and guide people who dont see a way out anymore!
I did not have to read all of the TIAI postings(i did anyway)..because i know about the conspiracy..we are living it here!
So i tried to spread the message..I have put/used video's on the website from Michael..with the lyricks(connect to our problem)and try to tell them.
They love the music..but wen i try to explain more..They looke at me <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> ..Yes they see me as a freak!
I get answers like..there is no such thing happening..the guy is gone,get over it!
I need more to convince them..Yes i am also waiting for a come back..Not because i am selfisch..Not for him to perfom again,or it make me feel better..no such thing..But i need it to spread his message.
So i can tell them..See this is what i tried to tell you the whole time..Now you want to listen to me?
Than i can reach more and more people..Now i am stuck!
I just wanted to tell you all this..so you see why i feel the same way!
Sorry for my English..i did my best!
Greetings Mattie
Mattie, please post all the info you have about the May 7th demonstration in the Holland forum..? I'm interested.
I had my suspicions some time ago that TS (or someone involved with them) is on here, and that they gave themselves away by redirecting to their own posts. I also saw them promoting <!-- m -->http://www.thisisalsoit.com<!-- m --> in other posts. Now I don't want to shatter any illusions, or name the user, but all I ask is that people do not place so much faith in this one person, because I believe they have been misleading us to some extent. Surely I'm not the only person who noticed this.
I don't entirely disagree with their message though, in general the site has been very educational and opened a lot of minds; but I doubt this is an insider. I personally am getting sick of the flimsy clues by people who claim to be 'in the know' and I want some concrete answers.
Sorry for the anger.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=6028
I totally agree with you PureLove in all your posts here. You're speaking exactly the reality. I don't understand how some beLIEvers who have been so smart and logical these months in investigating can give in themselves like this in this so called message. I'm not gonna pretend i know what Michael's message is, if there is any. Michael is not that stupid, he knows it's not gonna be so easy for everyone to understand his message. Michael is NOT a coward that he'll run away from his fans leaving a message with no explanations. There's no guarantee if anyone got it or not. Tell me how many people even believe he's alive? They call us crazy, weird, mental, sick when we say we believe he's alive. How would they react when we'll tell them Michael faked his death to open our eyes about Illuminati? I tried telling several friends of mine that some are saying this could be the reason and this could be the message. They were all like "wtf? what's the connection of illuminati with this?" i looked like a dork then. Cause all i could reply was oh yeah there is a connection, a website redirected us to things regarding this. They didn't even bother to talk about this to me anymore cause they're convinced. They are convinced that i've totally gone nuts. And then they forget the other things as well that i showed them about the hoax. Is that what we all are supposed to be doing the rest of our lives and end up in a padded cell talking about illuminati to the soft walls? Michael is smart, if he wants his message to be realized, he will come back. Heck, we're not even sure about Michael being alive and we're talking about his message. If everyone is 100% sure that he's alive i don't see the point of the new threads that are coming everyday investigating the autopsy reports, analyzing clues, picking up the slip ups from the family etc etc. I don't see the use of the death hoax forums. There should be forums like "Michael Jackson is alive, now let's talk about his message". But the forums are still about the hoax and the investigations. People should be TRUE to themselves.
@PureLove and @Butterfly J, thank you both! And i agree totally with what both of you said as well. PureLove, you're totally right in saying that if the return is delayed more, people WILL start losing the faith and as Butterfly J said they WILL start believing it was just a mind game someone played on them. This is reality, this is the TRUTH. We HAVE to be realistic here. Not everyone is going to stick to the hoax forever and therefore no message will exist anymore. I'm no one to tell Michael when to return, not a certain date or anything, but as a loyal fan that i've been for all my life, i do have that right to advice him not to delay it so much cause at the end the purpose will not be succeeded and that is something neither Michael nor i want to happen. I believe he knows that. And i'm MORE THAN SURE he doesn't get mad at us or hate us who ask him to return soon. When we ask him to return soon we don't mean that he doesn't need rest and should come back to "entertain" us already but we mean that we need him to tell us on our face that he's alive and fine. Then we could finally have some peace after this long stressful journey. I'm MORE THAN SURE he knows that and understands our feelings. So IMHO, there's no point in screaming at us to focus on the message and forget about the return that some believers do. Hugs to both of you, atleast you two are here who are ready to face the reality. God bless. L.O.V.E. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
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Dear TS,
Thank you so much for responding to my post. As you said I made that post just before your Update 4 and now I know that it was a little too early to write and ask you those. Wish I knew you were going to make Update 4 that soon, just after my post. I must confess that I had hesitations about you before Update 4. But after I read your update I became sure that you're an insider and trying to help us. And thank you so much for answering the questions that I had asked in my earlier post. I have just one question in my mind for you. Does Michael tell you about when he is going to come back or doesn't he? Or did he tell you the exact day but also asked from you not to give a specific date to us? We all know how much he likes to make surprises, so I guess he wants to surprise us all with his BAM. And speaking of BAM, I was confused about the delays in return dates because I had no idea that you were going to use "BAM" term for Michael's return. I thought "Return" is the term which you used to describe for Michael to come back in public view again. After your 4th Update we all learnt that you were going to use BAM instead of Return. Also I didn't have an idea about the Return process as well. Once more thank you so much for all of your replies and for the Updates. I appreciate your hard work so much. Thank you.
P.S: TS: "Likewise, all the reasons for the hoax (environment, 4 years, expose the media & NWO, etc)—these things will be much more effective, if MJ comes back and helps to draws major public attention to them."
I couldn't agree more with this. And that's one of the reasons why I'm curious about when he's coming back. Thank you.
"But the information is NOT the only thing that makes someone a FAKE. If someone can NOT prove the identitiy he/she/they claim/claims, that makes that person a FAKE too!"
One: I would like to see you debunk the info TS gave us. No one succeeded so far, but if you can, please share.
Two: TS never claimed to be anyone. Like he said himself: it's not important, the info is important, and if he told you you wouldn't believe him anyway.
Three: You can't expect the Jacksons to tweet whatever you like. Also their tweets are part of Mike's plan. Besides that, if they would tweet about thisisalsoit.com, they could as well say plain out that this is a hoax.
Mike wants you to believe. He wants you to read the info given and think for yourself. Does he need to come on a webcam before you will start to believe TS is legit and not fucking with the hoaxers? What more can he do while staying hidden? Don't you think that if he hoaxed his death and wanted his message out without being able to speak out himself, he would plant seeds? Why is that so hard to believe? Don't you tink he visits the forum? Or one of the other Jacksons?
I don't consider myself as being highly intelligent, but I'm not stupid either. Yet I'm in awe everytime I read the updates, or STUDY's posts back at the old MJHD. He provides information that makes sense and can be verified. There hasn't been anything yet in his posts that can be debunked. This has nothing to do with intelligence, this means he has knowledge about the hoax. Whoever he is, I am certain he is close to Mike.
Don't you think it's weird by itself that Jermaine only mentions TMZ? What about the Sun? Or Radar Online? Or ET online? TMZ was not the one posting the gay story for the first time. But TMZ has a link to this website on their page since June 25. Did it occur to you that Jermaine mentioned TMZ to get people to TMZ.com and maybe see the link to this website?
Not everyone is involved in the hoax, it's not possible to let everyone sign confidentiality agreements. To me only the people working with him on TII and the people at the staged funeral are in, they have signed contracts and confidentiality agreements. Maybe one or two at FBI/UCLA/LAPD and the coroner's office and that's it.
If TS would tell you plain out in advance what will happen in this hoax, would you still pay that much attention? If TS would tell you know Mike would return on a certain date, would you still keep investigating? No. You would lay back and wait for that date to come. That's not part of the plan, Mike needs us to dig and pay attention. TS mentioned enough things in advance that did came true.
TS never gave false hope about bamsday, because TS never mentioned when bamsday will be. And he won't either because of the reasons mentioned above, so don't count on that. And apparently you do care who he is, because you want him to say who he is, because else you think he is just another fake.
Like Mike asked us:
"Give me your all, your endurance, your patience and your understanding. But it's an adventure, it's a great adventure. It's nothing to be nervous about. So give your all. And I love you all. And we're a family."
Now it's up to us to stand firmly behind him, trust in him and believe, even though we don't see him. I trust in him and I am 100% sure that TS is someone we can trust, if you would only believe...
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."TS was NOT saying that Michael would come back in January. He said the RETURN was in January. Which it was!
If you go to TIAI Update #4d, Section 4-40., it says:
I do agree with you on that last part about the comeback being important, it IS NOT the MOST important part though, it's the 2nd most important, the message is more important though. The message is the reason for the hoax, without the message there wouldn't even be a comeback because there wouldn't have been a hoax!
Michael wants us to understand his message and pass it on.
I agree with Souza, TS is someone we can trust.
#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
#12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed” (also the 3-11 tweet).
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
#15. High probability of “piece by piece” return starting in January (see #12, etc).
#16. Autopsy finalized 9-9-09, released just one day after I said “9-9-09 update”.
#17. TIAI redirect to TMZ, less than an hour before the big MJ Killed Himself post.
#18. Update #4 (4-44), #17 article posted on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444).
#19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next).
#20. Update 5 (with 12 sections) on 5-12 at 5:12 AM; later that day TMZ starts LMP series from 5-12 to 5-17. Also, Linda talks to Jesse on 5-12.
#21. The final part of TIAI Update (#5d) is posted evening of 5-19 (CA time). On 5-19, Eliza posted a message on her homepage, for the first time in about four months; then on 5-20, the article by attorney Mayoras was posted (6-1, above).
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I also add that the explanation of the title This Is It was very smart and to me shows that TS has inside information. Nobody explained it as far as I know.
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About the forum being visited by TS/TIAI I think that it's obvious he redirected to several posts here. He must check our discussions to know where we are at. Michael himself must be reading. I mean it is something highly important I'm almost certain that he comes here to keep an eye on us and see if we understand his message. He prepared and planned this since several years now, don't you think that the most important thing for him is to check if we are here for him as he asked us ? That's why we must show him our support and do our best to keep his message alive and make it ours, to investigate, to study enough to have faith in what we are fighting for and be strong and self-confident enough when it will be necessary. Even a Soldier of Love must have an armor to protect him/herself from the attacks because even if you speak the truth and make love your message you can have unexpected reactions of rebuttal or hate. And most of all, the NWO powers will prevent us from unfolding the truth.
Keep the faith.
I have just been re-reading all these TS posts and come on people...there is way too much information here proving this is a well planned HOAX!! It is a hoax, but it is a hoax with a purpose! The message is very clear...scary, but clear. We need to keep the faith and keep spreading this information so that others will open their eyes to the truth. Michael is trying to save us all from the powers that be and we need to let him know that we understand this and that we will fight for his cause! MJ'S ARMY OF LOVE..please stand by...
TS is someone very close to Michael, if not the MAN himself! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> Love you more Michael!
Ok so here I go 1- I think you didn’t read it well what I had written Souza because I wrote that I do agree with TS’ information 70-80%!!! And I never wrote that the information he gave was wrong! My problem is about the information he hasn’t given yet!!!
2- I personally do NOT care about who TS is and I never mentioned it. All I care is if he’s really related to Michael or not! I don’t know how many times I need to write this for you all to understand. I do not care about TS’ identity!
3- And I’m saying that, if this’s Michael’s plan and IF there’s a message to be spread out, the Jacksons would tweet something about TS. How many non-believers did you make believers this far? Many people read Elvis&MJ.com? Yeah? Where’re they? Stop fooling yourselves, we are NOT able to spread the message to non-believers. Not like this. It’s been a year, so why are we still only 3000 people on this hoax forum? Why doesn’t the number increase so fast if you’re making them believe in TS! The Jacksons would plain out this’s a hoax??? Ohh c’mon!!! You forgot about all those “slip-ups” and all of the clues that we got from the Jacksons?? Are they going to plain it out when they write TIAI? That’s ridiculous.
How do you know what Michael wants us to do about TS? There’re tons of message deliverers out there. And if Michael is spending time on the internet, he knows already about these fakes. Doesn’t he want us to be sure about TS and spread the message easily?
Jermaine mentioned TMZ because he was talking about the hearings and he said that TMZ were there shooting it and they laughed and it was very disrespectful. He wasn’t talking about the tabloids but about the hearings!
Ok, so these make only “a few”?
I personally would keep on digging about the clues if TS told us about the hearings or Bamsday date etc. I want to learn every single thing. So I disagree with you about that too.
About false hope, you misleaded my words once more. You should have bolded the part that starts with “what if…” too. I never wrote that he gave us a Comeback date and that’s the false hope. I’m saying if Michael never ever comes back, all of these people would be waiting for him for years maybe. Wouldn’t that be a false hope?
And finally once again Souza, I do NOT care about his identity. Just find out to me where I wrote that thing! I do CARE if he’s related with Michael or not!!!
And just a note; my posts are shown like they’re very negative about TS since I kept on writing that I do agree with his theories 80%! And I do believe in illuminati and NWO stuff. If I don’t post much it doesn’t mean that I don’t read them all. All I’m saying is; I want to be sure that TS is related with the Jacksons and The Jacksons give us a concrete clue about TS so that we can spread the message easily. So spreading the message is my thought too! So pls think about these before you decide that I’m a TS hater and jump on me! (speaking of general)
So.
Really it's not a very effective method of changing the world without some back up. Ahem.
Agree with you and with Restlesssoul on that. I've been saying the same thing for ages but people still keep on insisting to go this way. We couldn't get anywhere like this. Why is it so hard to accept it? I can not deceive myself by lying to myself. If we could be spreading the message to non-believers there should have been a thousand more people on this hoax forum and more and more people would be joining the forum everyday. Where are they? Now they think to make ElvisandMJdotcom a TT. Do you really believe that people would read that update? Which one have they read that they would read this one? <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> Anyways, I will shut my mouth up because I see that we're running in circles and people still do not make up their minds on what we should do (actually TS should do). I agree with RS about Jacksons making a tweet about TIAI.
One thread is enough, you can post all your critisizm in there, there is no need to make a new thread everytime you think of something new about the same subject. If I wouldn’t allow critisizm about TS, I would have locked them all. You are free to give your opinion, I just don’t want multiple threads about the same subject.
And what information should he give you? And only because you want it? He has written almost 70.000 words in his posts with information. Does he have to spoon feed you more? Like I said before: Mike has a plan, TS posts only that info that is according to plan. If you want more information, you need to be patient and wait for update #7. You can also do your own investigation, like others. TS gives us the info he is supposed to give, not less, not more.
TS said he is not MJ himself, but that he has information about the hoax. If you read the information, you can assume he is somehow related to Mike. In what way he is related is not important in my opinion. If you want to know, why don’t you post a comment in the latest update and ask him if he is related to Mike… I don’t really get the point here, but that might be just me.
I think you forget that we can see statistics of the website, we can see how many people go to <!-- m -->http://www.elvisandmj.com<!-- m -->, because it redirects to our forum. And you can see by yourself as well, look at the views for the last update (which is the redirect of <!-- m -->http://www.elvisandmj.com<!-- m -->). The site is being noticed and watched.
That is why TS is presenting facts and that is why he explains the previous update in the next, so you can see for yourself he is legit. The other fakers are only causing distraction and are predicting things that don’t come true, and then try to come up with an explanation. If you have truly read all of TS’s posts, and I mean everything, you would be sure about TS as well. Maybe some things are not clear in an update, in that case you can just ask in the comments, so others can explain, or TS himself in the next update.
TS wasn’t the only one shooting it, The Sun still calls Mike Wacko Jacko and others call him gay, yet Jermaine doesn’t mention them.
Yes, only those necessary. You can’t pull this off on your own, you need help and he needed actors for the funeral. Some are probably close friends which we don’t know. With money and signed documents a lot can be done. Yet not half of Hollywood is involved, that’s simply impossible.
You maybe, and maybe some more, but believe me, LOTS and LOTS of people will stop digging. Don’t project everything to yourself and try to see the bigger picture.
Well and if he told you he is related to Mike, would you believe it just like that?
About false hope: everyone can decide for themselves if they are willing to wait for weeks/months/years. I have faith in TS and Mike and I focus on the message, not his return, although I believe he will return because we can’t reach as much people as he can. We need his help as well.
The Jacksons tweeted about the Army of Love already, after TS posted the thread. If that’s not enough confirmation, I’m not sure you will ever be satisfied. And I am not jumping on you, you post something and I reply and give you my opinion. You ask me, I answer. It’s called discussion. And I never said you are a TS hater, I only disagree you’re your post, you are way too offensive.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."One thread is enough when we criticize TS but people can make lots of threads when they show LOVE for TS? Because I can see two posts with the same title on this page in which they both show LOVE for TS! Why didn’t you lock one of them?
Well I don’t remember noone called TS to spoon feed us! You still like to mislead my words. My words were so open and clear but your answers has nothing to do with it. You just answer in a way how you can defend TS. But they don’t satisfy me.
Why do I need to ask someone who has already written that he’s related with the hoax and written that the Jacksons made that tweet for TIAI? But the problem is, do we believe that he’s really connected with the Jacksons and Michael? We already know his answer but how do we know that it is true? As I wrote before but maybe you missed to read it, the information he gives is incredibly fine BUT anyone could find those things and write them. There’re many hoax video and blog makers who find amazing things like TS and none of them are related with the Jacksons. They could claim they were related with the Jacksons. Would you believe them? I’m NOT underestimating TS, but I can’t underestimate the other smart video-blog makers. So no offense TS.
Yes, of course I do know that we can see how many people visited the forum BUT can we see how many of them read the entire post??? I personally asked a couple of non-believers and to some people who are not into any hoax issues if they would like to read a forum about how MJ and Elvis could fake their deaths. 3 of them said that “I would take a peek and if the thing seems interesting I would read but I don’t believe in these stuff. So I don’t pay attention”. 2 of them said “I don’t care about Elvis and MJ”, 1 of them said “I like mystery, so I would read”. Then I gave them the link of the page and asked them what they think. And let me tell you how many of them looked at the page but how many of them read it all. ALL of them opened the page BUT ONLY ONE of them read the entire thing and he said that he wasn’t satisfied! So, the number you see Souza, is just a number who open the web-page. It doesn’t mean that they read the entire thing and interested in it.
I read every little thing that TS has been writing since the first forum and NO it doesn’t make me sure that he’s related with Michael and I’ve already explained why.
TS was shooting the hearing? I think you were going to write TMZ but nevermind, I mistake TS and TMZ sometimes as TS explains TMZ’s posts so well lol Well as far as I know TMZ was the only one who was shooting the hearing. And Jerm prefered to talk about how disrespectful they were at the hearing.
I seriously don’t want to count everyone who could possibly be in on the hoax because that would be such a very long list and THAT DOESN’T MAKE FEW!!!
Few: adj. 1. Amounting to or consisting of a small number
2. Being more than one but indefinitely small in number
n. 1. An indefinitely small number of persons or things
pron. A small number of persons or things
So a FEW definitely doesn’t match to describe the amount of people who are in on the hoax. You’re the one who says that the people who attented the funeral are in on the hoax. How many people were there? 20-30? There’re people more at the memorial who got on stage. NON of these numbers can be used to describe FEW people in on this hoax. Few could be used as “ a couple of people”. But we don’t have a couple of people who r in on the hoax, right? So maybe only this part can be seen as the debunk of TS!
How many people do you think are there who trust TS 100%? I can see very few here on this forum who say that they believe TS. But what about the others? The ones who doesn’t believe him or who have hesitations about TS would have definitely kept on digging like me. So I don’t think that I’m projecting this issue to myself. But I think you’re projecting it to yourself and TS and a FEW TS believers.
He/she has already mentioned that he’s related with the Jacksons and nope I don’t believe it because he/she couldn’t prove it which is NOT really understandable because that is so important to spread the message. Because of TS’ posts, people are expecting Michael to come back this summer. They may say that they can wait him forever, a couple of years or that’s ok if he doesn’t come back. LIES LIES LIES… Let me tell you one thing. If he doesn’t come back this summer, there will be only you, Mo and TS be left on this forum next year. And maybe those a FEW can stay with you but that’s all. The title TS made “Double BAM this summer?!?” and there would be no other update before the BAM, made people think that the BAMSDAY is so close. And I do wonder how you will stall(keep) and what you will say to these people if Michael doesn’t come back this year <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Don’t you read the things I write Souza? So which part did you miss when I added speaking of general in parentheses? So, we can see who is projecting things to herself here, right? And actually I didn’t ask you anything! I just wrote my opinion about TS and you wanted to defend TS as usual and you replied by yourself. Anyways, let’s make a change and let me ask you a question fo real. I do want to know what you think about it. If Michael’s message is about NWO Illuminati, why didn’t he wear anything with the number 9 in TII? Couldn’t he give a clue himself to us in TII? We always hear his song TDCAU and he wore his lucky number 7 but why didn’t he wear number 9 anywhere if he’s trying to make illuminati’s number 6 upside down? I know what TDCAU is about and I watched Michael’s black panther video BUT if Michael made this hoax to expose NWO, why didn’t he SHOW us something related with it? Yeah the dates of the memorial and funeral are ok when you count them with the reckoning system but if you don’t count them with the reckoning you get extremely different numbers and theories. I believe that Michael would wear a shirt with a 9 on if his message was really about NWO/Illuminati. He didn’t want it to be so open maybe and that’s the reason why he didn’t use 6 but couldn’t he use 9? This’s my one and only question to you. I really would like to learn what you think about it.
Well, that other thread was just made on July 2, and I have to tell you something: I am not spotting EVERYTHING here on the forum. That is why you can report a post to us and tell us it's double. No worries, only one left now. Next time, use the 'report this post' button please.
I don't think any of my words will ever satisfy you, simply because you don't agree with me and never will. If you have read all the updates, have thought it over and still think TS might be a troll, then I have nothing left to convince you. I read it all, I thought it over, used my common sense and know TS is legit. If you don't think so, that's fine by me, I would let it rest if I were you because it will give you a headache. Yet you clearly want to be convinced, otherwise you wouldn't reply again.
Yes, it's all about believing. As long as TS doesn't show himself with Mike on a livestream, some will have doubts. That is why TS wrote you should read it all and let the evidence speak for itself. You would never believe who TS is if he told you, that is why he never did it. The Jacksons CAN'T just tweet about TIAI, because they can't speak up yet. Mike has a plan and the moment the Jacksons will tweet about TIAI, they are telling the world that Mike is not dead. It's not time for that yet.
I don't think your poll is very representative, yet if 1 out of 3 decided to read it all, it's a good score. This person may not have believed it, many will. I have let a lot of people read this too. out of 30 people, about 20 read it all, and only 2 said it was BS. The rest thought it was very interesting and told me they were going to check out the forum. These are friends of mine, not MJ fans, not Elvis fans.
Like I said, I don't think you can be convinced, that's fine. "It will all come out" one day.
Yes I meant TMZ, and no I don't have TS and TMZ mixed up, in this case I only had some letters mixed up. TS and TMZ are not the same.
And no, TMZ was not the only one shooting the hearings, ET Online had a livestream as well.
I never said the people attending the memorial were in, get your facts straight please. Explain how you can debunk TS please, and don't use MY words for that, because I am not TS, although some people keep thinking that. I would like to challenge you and take one of the updates, and quote it completely like you did with my post and debunk every bit of it, or just a few.
I think there are many people on this forum that trust TS, maybe you are confused with another forum. And I don't really get why you seem so frustrated that I defend TS, why is that? I trust in TS completely and yet I keep digging myself as well, so again I don't get the point here.
You are focussing on bamsday too much. And if he won't return this summer, I know you won't return, but don't speak for others, because I am certain many will still be here if that's the case. You are someone that needs confirmation on everything, that's fine, but this hoax is not about you, it's about Mike.
Why do you ask me? Again: I am not TS! Post a comment in the update and ASK!
So, this was my last reply, I have said it all. Please show us all your debunk of TS, I'm looking forward to your post. Good luck.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."