3 Versions of CORONER VAN==????

Sternschen87

I know that this video is posted such a long time ago
But I never heard the person breathing so fast. 19-22 sec.
It seems that he is afraid that somebody can see him... I never heard it like this... can you hear the ambulance??? <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
If RTL faked this video why should there be an ambulance in the background?
Sorry if it was mentioned before..

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youngatheart

Sounds like it could be someone out of breath from running. IDK And I do hear sirens in the backround. So if this is supposed to be a fake video they went to a lot of trouble getting all the little details in there just to see how gullible we all are <!-- s --><!-- s -->

msteetee34

I'm sorry but I think that video was real. I think when it got leaked they gave a lame excuse talking about it was an experiment to see how fast news and gossip can travel over the internet. Well duh we already know that it don't take a rocket scientist to know this. Making a fake video right after MJ died would be in poor taste as well so I don't buy that excuse. Please.....

_Dangerous_

i seriously dont know what to think about this <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
I mean.. or he took a fly the same day, or he was alive in the ambulance.. :S
i dont know what to think.. he cannot be in two places at once!

youngatheart

I totally agree. The video is real. The whole RTL story was to cover up a huge problem when the real one surfaced.

msteetee34

I totally agree. The video is real. The whole RTL story was to cover up a huge problem when the real one surfaced.

Didn't they release a second video on how they staged the first video with the coroner's van? It's like what the heck making of the coroner van video. It doesn't make sense. Why would they feel the need to do that if the video was actually fake like they staed in the first place.

Minamai

I also think it is real but what Michael had to go before fleeing to the coroner? <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->

deedee75

I think it real as well why go through all that trouble for 30 seconds of footage just don't make sense.

Jennie

I'm sorry but I think that video was real. I think when it got leaked they gave a lame excuse talking about it was an experiment to see how fast news and gossip can travel over the internet. Well duh we already know that it don't take a rocket scientist to know this. Making a fake video right after MJ died would be in poor taste as well so I don't buy that excuse. Please.....

I agree it was of very poor taste if they did make a fake vidio of the coroner's van.I dont believe that, I think it was damage control wich could explain why the guy in vid is out of breath, he was chasing the van and was out of breath. The guy then sold his story to the highest bidder wich, correct me if I'm wrong, happened to be some media in Europe or not in USA anyway. Wich brings me to the other thing that has been bothering me. Isnt it a coincidence that media, from another country, just happened to have a van extremely similar to the one used in the USA. Are they all the same? I dont think so. So why on top of waisting their time making a fake vid would they purchase or retailor a van to make sure to convince us, and for the fake story to travel the net so quickly and then just as fast they hurry up and tell us it's fake!!!?

IMO, it was actual footage and not fake. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->

anne.mj

I also think it is real...

LavdHim

agree .. I also think it's real since the day the video realesed .. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I can feel it's really michael ..

jill

I believe the video was real as well. I have often wondered what happened to the person who actually made the video. Why hasn't he or she come forward? Were they paid off? I have a feeling that it will all eventually come out.

msteetee34

This video is actually what sparked the possibility for me that MJ could still be alive. That's the initial thing that lead me to this kind of web site. At first when I heard MJ died on the 25th of June I really was convinced that he was dead. Then I saw the video and I was like oh yeah here we go. Something is up. If anybody could pull off a death hoax it could be MJ. I never doubted any celebrity death before but with MJ it's a different story. I just feel he's still around.

raphaelleanique

THE SIRENS ARE IMPORTANT!! <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
THERE ARE NO SIRENS LIKE THAT IN GERMANY, THESE ARE AMERICAN SIRENS!! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->

If RTL is right claiming it was done in Germany, as they want us to believe, they have built in the sirens afterwards. Sure, it is possible,but I don`t think that happened. Damage control and sensationalism is all that comes to my mind!

Tina K.

I think it's real too, I have always thought that, but eveybody I showed it to at home just laughed at me, so I decided to forget all about it. i think it's real cause the person who is filming, starts to breath really fast, when Michael appears. Like he is scared... hell, I would be in shock too.

TinkerbellStardust

I either never believed this video was made by RTL. And I have no idea how the RTL came up with the idea claiming they made the video.That's too rediculous.. Their ''making of'' doesn't even match. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
But I never did hear the breathing before! There is another video filmed from the sky (it has been discussed here already in another thread) where someone appears to be running in to the garage as in hiding. He could be the one filming and hence the breathing.

liril

I DO BELIEVE THAT THE VIDEO WAS REAL and it was more a damage control action.

when RTL claimed the video was fake i got skeptical. I was not sure of the repute of the channel because I don't belong to Germany. But then soon I came across an interview of mike's which was also was on RTL that convinced me that the Channel is something.
Today I noticed a thing that I never noticed before about the video is that the videomaker did not wait for long, i mean till the driver or some other person comes out of the van. Of course there is possibility that he was scared and rushed back to a safe place but that would have made it even more believable.
Besides guys do you see two people standing outside already while the van arrive. I saw one of them escorting mike but where did (if he really is present) the second one go.

Aintnosunshine

IMO the RTL video served a double purpose:

1. it brought the idea of a "hoax" / "fake" to a broader public since main stream media news picked it up
(the children knew already because they saw "the ghost of Neverland" on CNN)

2. at the same time it distracted many people from hoax/fake again because for weeks or longer it covered the front entries of google and other search engines.

First result: if people thought of MJ death hoax they just got the RTL fake video (a hoax within a hoax).

Second result: only true real believers found their way through to the forums, the youtube`s and other accounts (for the rest of "random public" our activities were kind of hidden).

Third result: this way a close and rather reliable community of hoax believers could have been established without interference from haters or ridiculing non-believer-fans.

Doesn`t that make sense?

raphaelleanique

@aintnosunshine; that definately does make sense; good summary of yours!!

Sternschen87

wow....
The sirenes does not match!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is a great find....
Look at this one:

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Oh my god............
IT IS NO FAKE!!!!!!!!

Tina K.

Yippie !!!

raphaelleanique

So, the only possibility would be that they added US sirens to their made-in-Germany- video. WHICH I DOUBT <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

L.O.V.Eispower

i am almost 100% sure that the video is real and RTL just tried 2 cover up quickly..one of the first vids i watched on youtube which introduced me to the hoax were JonellStarTV's (I LOVE HER VIDS they convinced me of the hoax <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> ) and in one vid she shows how the vid is real and the one they made to 'show' us how they did it does not tie in with the original...i thinkk its this one <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_kDmpb7yo8

u guys should check out all her hoax vids..they are awesommee <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->

THE JACKSONOLOGIST

I too believe the van vid to be real. I was shocked when RTL made the "making of" vid because what would be the point in making a fake vid to make everyone THINK MJ was alive, then show the making of vid? It made absolutley no anse at all.

It was damage control and there is no doubt about it. The vid of the guy running that was filmed from the sky, I think is the guy who shot the van vid too.
No one ever thought that someone would film something they werent suppose to see, so when the van vid came out, which wasnt part of the plan, then we see the making of vid within a few days.....they dont even match...

AND to top it all off...we had a member on the old MJKIT who went to Los Angeles...I think it was for the burial(???) and she went to the coroners office parking lot and TOOK A PICTURE and posted it, of the VAN WITH THE LICENSE number that was in the original van video....so that proved to me everything.

The van vid is real.

Unknown

RTL said they did it because they wanted to prove how easy is to fake things, a short of social experiment.
But this has no sense, they are not sociologists, media don´t usually show how easy is to made up stories, they have to invest money on it (importing USA sirens <!-- s --><!-- s --> ), they had no profit, as the audience was on YT, it was a very delicate moment (would be more justificable now, not then)... not a lot of sense.

THE JACKSONOLOGIST

Also, I think if Im not mistaken, someone mentioned at the time that RTL vid came out that it was raining in the video? I dont know what they meant by that.