Thanks Souza .... it hits on the mind if such negative things ... I would not be here every day hours if I accepted MJ is dead.
But because I am no seer, I can say only one (honestly) I want to know the truth may quite all the same like this appearance.
I owe you to all
It's SO-0-0 good having the skilled/knowledgable people doing these occasional recaps. Thank you! Just wanted to add to the blond lady possibility that someone mentioned way back that everyone including especially the kids kept looking up, and it could have been Michael behind a camera high up in the stadium (just like the picture of him behind the camera and Ortega behind him.) I thought it was interesting that you said that MJ could also appear taller in his disguises, how? Stilts? We still don't know for sure about Dr. Murray if real or disguise. Sure is tall almost 7 ft., doesn't move much so stilts might be manageable
Thanks.
I would like to see him come back soon..only to tell the people who think i am a nut..i told you so.
But i know he needs his time!
That is why i dont understand people who are firm in there believe he wont come back..Than why all this..what is the point? If he wants to leave for ever..why let people keep looking for clues and the why for all this..risking there is one or more clever enough ,and wil find you?
My eyes were already open..if it comes to Media or Covernement..I told my story here in (conspirasy's.did i write that correct?)
But i learned so much more after june 25.
My question is not,is he alive(i am sure he is)..but why..wat happened!
Greetings Mattie
I just want to say THANK YOU SOUZA and Thank you to all the other believers !!!
I love you all.
Keep the faith... I'm sure he's alive somewhere waiting for us to find out the truth and then he'll come back.
Thank you SOUZA for this long recap. I haven't changed my thoughts about MJ being alive. Whatever feeds would come in, it's nothing new and they just change the perspective of the old news feeds to have something going on.
But really, this thing is lagging on for how many months now and how much longer will it lag on. Thanks everybody, for being around. All of your ideas and your comments have been keeping me on my feet.
And SOUZA, thanks for this Forum and for keeping us together.
but I have a question, what about the people there in LA who were selling Michael's autopsy picture in 1million dollars ?
are they crazy ? was it a lie ? a very famous tv host here in my country went there and he saw that people offering the picture and he said everything was crazy there, everything was about Michael, and I trust this man, I do.
If you trust this man and think that that story is real, then why are you still here? You are here because you have doubts about this story. Do you think someone would buy that pic for 1 million dollar and just put it in his drawer? I don't think so! I am not buying this story at all. If somebody has bought that picture, it would be all over the net, accompanied by a lot of Google ads. This is exactly what I mean, THINK before you conclude...
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Thank you Sousa. Very well written. I agree! It seems for a total lack of evidence
being given or proven, that efforts have been made..and remade...and remade <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> to
make us believe something other than the truth.
You're right, this whole set of events is just too convincing for me, and someone telling that they know "the REAL truth" is not. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
If you trust this man and think that that story is real, then why are you still here? You are here because you have doubts about this story. Do you think someone would buy that pic for 1 million dollar and just put it in his drawer? I don't think so! I am not buying this story at all. If somebody has bought that picture, it would be all over the net, accompanied by a lot of Google ads. This is exactly what I mean, THINK before you conclude...
WOWIE! Very well said post Souza! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Dear Souza and dear beLIEvers, thank you very much for your posts! It made me think and re-think several things once again, and i'm glad i did! I guess it's just necessary to do it once in a while, go back and re-sum everything up! Confusion doesn't help at all, but such clear and clever posts sure do!
I would also like to ask you a question on a part of your post, regarding autopsy
The Autopsy]
Mo and I also e-mailed Craig Harvey from the Coroner's office. I don't know if you will still have doubts after this recap, but in that case I advice you to e-mail the guy, your doubts will vanish into thin air if you ask the right questions and read between the lines, although I am not sure he still replies the 'Hoaxies'
Is there a chance you posted about that before, is there a way to see what Chief Coroner replied to you? That would be awesome!
Really great points, Souza.
I can understand why some members are losing faith. It's been almost six months since Michael "died" and some people think he should have returned by now. They keep believing that MJ will return on this or that award show and since he doesn't, they feel defrauded. Then MJHD, which is probably the biggest hoax site on the internet, shuts down and a lot of members feel discouraged. And lately seems like there isn't much to talk about. But really, there is no reason to stop believing in the hoax and getting all sad and depressed. The key word here is PATIENCE. Honestly, I feel like I already have enough evidence to believe Michael is alive, so I don't feel the urge to keep obsessively looking for more clues. Sure I'll keep investigating, but I'm more of a Wait and See kind of "Hoxie". <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Now I've said it before and I'll say it again: I believe Michael is going to come back. Many things point to that and seriously, why would Michael send all these clues if he wanted the entire world to believe he was dead? He could have done a much better job at hoaxing his death if he really wanted to escape and live a normal life. I have to point one thing about this, though - I've read an article somewhere that claims Michael didn't want to be "normal", and it made me wonder... Just think about it: Michael never lived a normal life. He doesn't know what a normal life is. Would he want to turn his entire life around, leave all his accomplishments behind, his HIStory, really - to live a life so different from what he's used to? Would he really want to hide forever and have to spend the rest of his life wearing disguises? Not being able to step a stage ever again, the only place in the world where he said he felt comfortable on? Wouldn't he want credit for pulling off the greatest hoax in History? Besides, being normal is boring! <!-- s --><!-- s --> And to be honest, why would he go through so much trouble to fake his death just to disappear, if he was already living away from the spotlight for many years now? Seems a bit too extreme, IMO. (Money and/or safety issues could be the reason, but I don't really believe he was broke and/or in danger).
Obviously, these are just my assumptions. I don't know Michael in person, but from what I've learned about him these last years, I believe he is a fighter, not a quitter. Really, Michael must be one of the strongest and bravest men I've ever known. He's been through hell and he never gave up, when I'm sure many of us would have (I know I would have gone insane if I was in his shoes). He's innovative and creative, and a risk taker. If there's someone who can pull this hoax off, that person is Michael Jackson.
And I have to totally agree with your words here:
And I am not here to find him. Even if I would find out where he is (not very likely though) I would not tell someone or try to find him. His location is of no importance. The fact that he leaves all these 'clues' is because he wants us to open our eyes to certain things. Stop living on the automatic pilot and think for ourselves again. Read stuff before judging someone or something. It's not a roadmap to his location, it's a roadmap to your own brain, your own intellect.
He has planned this for his reasons and he needs the time to do the things that need to be done. If that means he comes back next year, fine. If it means he needs another 5 years, also fine. Remember he must have some balls to pull this off and he doesn't owe his fans anything, they have had him long enough already. This is his project and he decides if and when he returns. Because of the point in my post I am pretty sure he will be back one day.
We need to give him time. I'm not really anticipating a date for his comeback or trying to find out where he is, I just want to understand why he faked his death and most importantly, find out if he's safe and happy. That's all I ever wanted - for him to be happy. IMO it's still soon to give up. Michael may have had many reasons to fake his death and it might take a while for him to be prepared for a comeback. Who knows, maybe he is enjoying a quick break to reestablish his forces / treat his health problems before he gets his cute little ass back to work. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Thanks for posting this and another big thank you to you and Mo for creating this wonderful site. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
And to be honest, why would he go trough so much trouble to fake his death just to disappear, if he was already living away from the spotlight for many years now?
We need to give him time. I'm not really anticipating a date for his comeback or trying to find out where he is, I just want to understand why he faked his death and most importantly, find out if he's safe and happy. That's all I ever wanted - for him to be happy. IMO it's still soon to give up. Michael may have had many reasons to fake his death and it might take a while for him to be prepared for a comeback. Who knows, maybe he is enjoying a quick break to reestablish his forces / treat his health problems before he gets his cute little ass back to work. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
My point exactly! He has lived so long away from the spotlights! I do believe he might come back, but right now he needs his time! And I am more than willing to give him that, he has given us so much over all those years, that's the least I can do for him! Just keep the faith and be patient (I know its hard!!!)!
And to be honest, why would he go trough so much trouble to fake his death just to disappear, if he was already living away from the spotlight for many years now?
We need to give him time. I'm not really anticipating a date for his comeback or trying to find out where he is, I just want to understand why he faked his death and most importantly, find out if he's safe and happy. That's all I ever wanted - for him to be happy. IMO it's still soon to give up. Michael may have had many reasons to fake his death and it might take a while for him to be prepared for a comeback. Who knows, maybe he is enjoying a quick break to reestablish his forces / treat his health problems before he gets his cute little ass back to work. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
My point exactly! He has lived so long away from the spotlights! I do believe he might come back, but right now he needs his time! And I am more than willing to give him that, he has given us so much over all those years, that's the least I can do for him! Just keep the faith and be patient (I know its hard!!!)!
I agree, and I also think that Michael can't live without the stage I mean that is one of the places where he most wants to be the stage is his home.
Hi Souza and everyone, I really need someone's insight now! I read the posts made on 'the fake search warants' topic and there was someone who had this opinion. He/she said that MJ might have comitted suicide, with Dr Murray helping him. That that was the reason why they waited so long to call 911 because they wanted to make sure no one would be able to revive him.
I think this theory (and maybe the murder one as well) might be able to explain some of the inconsistancies, but not all. Like his family being happy etc. Unless they really didn't know.. But still even if they think he "died normal" they should be sad!
Someone said he would not have done it because of his kids, but the argument is that depression can make you think that the world will be better of without you. Which is true, but it is his kids??
Hi Souza and everyone, I really need someone's insight now! I read the posts made on 'the fake search warants' topic and there was someone who had this opinion. He/she said that MJ might have comitted suicide, with Dr Murray helping him. That that was the reason why they waited so long to call 911 because they wanted to make sure no one would be able to revive him.
I think this theory (and maybe the murder one as well) might be able to explain some of the inconsistancies, but not all. Like his family being happy etc. Unless they really didn't know.. But still even if they think he "died normal" they should be sad!
Someone said he would not have done it because of his kids, but the argument is that depression can make you think that the world will be better of without you. Which is true, but it is his kids??
No, there is no way Michael would kill himself, IMO. Michael loved life, and his children. He said he wanted to live forever. He might have been depressed at some point in his life, but suicidal? I don't think so. Besides, would a dead Michael be sending clues? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I like your name, real funny! I know there has been many clues, but what clues do you think has he been sending post "death"?
LOL, thanks! ...Well, for example:
- "I'm alive and I'm here forever" at the memorial. Kinda weird choice of words if he really is dead, don't you think?
- "Let me breath in my own time and I'll come back here. I'll unbutton my shirt or jacket, look around a little bit, play with the public maybe, slap my fingers... and then... BAM!" in the end of This Is It. This makes me think that he will return, but you never know...
- Also, in the end of This Is It, Michael is seen doing sign language that PianoGames claims it means "With all my heart, there is more. I will show myself to you all."
- The Murray video. While I'm not completely sure that that was a message from Michael, I don't think it makes much sense if that was a real message from Murray, either.
Sorry, I can't remember any more at the moment, but if you take a look at the forum, I'm sure you'll find more clues. People have found really amazing things here!
Also, I'd like to give a little advice to all the people who are losing faith: print the Weird List and read it when you're feeling down. It helps a lot, trust me. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
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But because I am no seer, I can say only one (honestly) I want to know the truth may quite all the same like this appearance.
I owe you to all
I would like to see him come back soon..only to tell the people who think i am a nut..i told you so.
But i know he needs his time!
That is why i dont understand people who are firm in there believe he wont come back..Than why all this..what is the point? If he wants to leave for ever..why let people keep looking for clues and the why for all this..risking there is one or more clever enough ,and wil find you?
My eyes were already open..if it comes to Media or Covernement..I told my story here in (conspirasy's.did i write that correct?)
But i learned so much more after june 25.
My question is not,is he alive(i am sure he is)..but why..wat happened!
Greetings Mattie
I love you all.
Keep the faith... I'm sure he's alive somewhere waiting for us to find out the truth and then he'll come back.
But really, this thing is lagging on for how many months now and how much longer will it lag on. Thanks everybody, for being around. All of your ideas and your comments have been keeping me on my feet.
And SOUZA, thanks for this Forum and for keeping us together.
Again, thanks. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
If you trust this man and think that that story is real, then why are you still here? You are here because you have doubts about this story. Do you think someone would buy that pic for 1 million dollar and just put it in his drawer? I don't think so! I am not buying this story at all. If somebody has bought that picture, it would be all over the net, accompanied by a lot of Google ads. This is exactly what I mean, THINK before you conclude...
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."being given or proven, that efforts have been made..and remade...and remade <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> to
make us believe something other than the truth.
You're right, this whole set of events is just too convincing for me, and someone telling that they know "the REAL truth" is not. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
WOWIE! Very well said post Souza! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I would also like to ask you a question on a part of your post, regarding autopsy
Is there a chance you posted about that before, is there a way to see what Chief Coroner replied to you? That would be awesome!
Thanks again!!
I can understand why some members are losing faith. It's been almost six months since Michael "died" and some people think he should have returned by now. They keep believing that MJ will return on this or that award show and since he doesn't, they feel defrauded. Then MJHD, which is probably the biggest hoax site on the internet, shuts down and a lot of members feel discouraged. And lately seems like there isn't much to talk about. But really, there is no reason to stop believing in the hoax and getting all sad and depressed. The key word here is PATIENCE. Honestly, I feel like I already have enough evidence to believe Michael is alive, so I don't feel the urge to keep obsessively looking for more clues. Sure I'll keep investigating, but I'm more of a Wait and See kind of "Hoxie". <!-- s
Now I've said it before and I'll say it again: I believe Michael is going to come back. Many things point to that and seriously, why would Michael send all these clues if he wanted the entire world to believe he was dead? He could have done a much better job at hoaxing his death if he really wanted to escape and live a normal life. I have to point one thing about this, though - I've read an article somewhere that claims Michael didn't want to be "normal", and it made me wonder... Just think about it: Michael never lived a normal life. He doesn't know what a normal life is. Would he want to turn his entire life around, leave all his accomplishments behind, his HIStory, really - to live a life so different from what he's used to? Would he really want to hide forever and have to spend the rest of his life wearing disguises? Not being able to step a stage ever again, the only place in the world where he said he felt comfortable on? Wouldn't he want credit for pulling off the greatest hoax in History? Besides, being normal is boring! <!-- s
Obviously, these are just my assumptions. I don't know Michael in person, but from what I've learned about him these last years, I believe he is a fighter, not a quitter. Really, Michael must be one of the strongest and bravest men I've ever known. He's been through hell and he never gave up, when I'm sure many of us would have (I know I would have gone insane if I was in his shoes). He's innovative and creative, and a risk taker. If there's someone who can pull this hoax off, that person is Michael Jackson.
And I have to totally agree with your words here:
We need to give him time. I'm not really anticipating a date for his comeback or trying to find out where he is, I just want to understand why he faked his death and most importantly, find out if he's safe and happy. That's all I ever wanted - for him to be happy. IMO it's still soon to give up. Michael may have had many reasons to fake his death and it might take a while for him to be prepared for a comeback. Who knows, maybe he is enjoying a quick break to reestablish his forces / treat his health problems before he gets his cute little ass back to work. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Thanks for posting this and another big thank you to you and Mo for creating this wonderful site. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
My point exactly! He has lived so long away from the spotlights! I do believe he might come back, but right now he needs his time! And I am more than willing to give him that, he has given us so much over all those years, that's the least I can do for him! Just keep the faith and be patient (I know its hard!!!)!
I agree, and I also think that Michael can't live without the stage I mean that is one of the places where he most wants to be the stage is his home.
I think this theory (and maybe the murder one as well) might be able to explain some of the inconsistancies, but not all. Like his family being happy etc. Unless they really didn't know.. But still even if they think he "died normal" they should be sad!
Someone said he would not have done it because of his kids, but the argument is that depression can make you think that the world will be better of without you. Which is true, but it is his kids??
I feel so sick right now!
Please someone, proof!?!
but all reminds me of the
TRUMAN SHOW <!-- s:idea: -->:idea:<!-- s:idea: -->
this guy also one day opened the right door to escape being watched all the time
PEOPLE were happy when he did that
i personally would not have been able to live in such a fishbowl like mj did for so many years <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->
No, there is no way Michael would kill himself, IMO. Michael loved life, and his children. He said he wanted to live forever. He might have been depressed at some point in his life, but suicidal? I don't think so. Besides, would a dead Michael be sending clues? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
LOL, thanks! ...Well, for example:
- "I'm alive and I'm here forever" at the memorial. Kinda weird choice of words if he really is dead, don't you think?
- "Let me breath in my own time and I'll come back here. I'll unbutton my shirt or jacket, look around a little bit, play with the public maybe, slap my fingers... and then... BAM!" in the end of This Is It. This makes me think that he will return, but you never know...
- Also, in the end of This Is It, Michael is seen doing sign language that PianoGames claims it means "With all my heart, there is more. I will show myself to you all."
- The Murray video. While I'm not completely sure that that was a message from Michael, I don't think it makes much sense if that was a real message from Murray, either.
Sorry, I can't remember any more at the moment, but if you take a look at the forum, I'm sure you'll find more clues. People have found really amazing things here!
Also, I'd like to give a little advice to all the people who are losing faith: print the Weird List and read it when you're feeling down. It helps a lot, trust me. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I'm sure that Michael is watching us and he knows how much we love him.
God bless you, Michael <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->