Ghost of doubles past

anotherpartofmeanotherpartofme Posts: 114
edited January 1970 in General Hoax Investigation
This is great find! Mayor and MJ next to each other <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->


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  • ni-co-leni-co-le Posts: 535
    WOW !! <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> that is a great observation and it makes me wonder to...we know hes a live and this looks like a clue <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> thanks for showing <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
  • AgentBJAgentBJ Posts: 587
    Wow! Interesting... <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
    I always believe in doubles.
  • DropDeadChollyDropDeadCholly Posts: 21
    Thank You So Much To Showed It! It Really shocked me. Very Very Interesting.
    I Think On The Living Room , The Person Was Michael <3
  • VictorVictor Posts: 582
    <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • DatrootDatroot Posts: 1,314
    Looking at it At it another way - maybe, in that particular shot, the Mayor was a double.
  • a18wheelsladya18wheelslady Posts: 287
    WOW GREAT FIND thank you
  • finfinfinfin Posts: 648
    Please see "YouTube" video of the "This is It" "Thiller" segment. It includes a few various aspects from the "Ghost" video ie characters and also ghosts floating down and some music towards the end. Does anyone know if this has occured in any of Michael's other performances? Could this be a clue? Also Michael in the red shirt dancing at the beginning is not as good as Michael in the black pants towards the end. He does not look the same either <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> Sorry I have not been able to embed the video, as I am not sure how to do it. <!-- m -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icHAOUAPzqc<!-- m -->
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  • new tiuxnew tiux Posts: 104
    I've just got a headache.... <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
  • suspicious mindsuspicious mind Posts: 5,984
    interestingly enough it looks like someone standing there with another camera man.
  • paula-cpaula-c Posts: 7,221
    And they appeared more double .. <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->
  • scorpionchikscorpionchik Posts: 2,669
    WHAT IS THE POINT? THAT WAS MICHAEL IN NEVERLAND OR HIS SHADOW?
    ASSUME MIKE, LONG TIME MJ's FRIEND AND PRETENDED DID NOT SEE ANYTHING?
    WHAT ABOUT CAMERA MAN AND REPORTER? THEY DID NOT NOTICE MICHAEL STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO CAMERA MAN?     <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
    Looking at it At it another way - maybe, in that particular shot, the Mayor was a double.
    That's also how I look at the possibilities. This is a fascinating example of why MJ never ceases to amaze people. At the beginning when I was less familiar with MJ, I was sure of doubles, but now a year into him, my heart tells me it is all him, except for shots like this for illusion sake. In both the videos you posted the MJ figure in white shirt and black pants has a blurry face, so it could be a stand-in to deceive us in an illusion.

    This video shot in the Encino yard in 1983 reveals this deliberate trickery by a young master. Michael gives us a peek into the way he thinks.
    <!-- m -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgO2P8iqATI<!-- m -->
    At 5:02 he talks about illusion (the fountain is loud and I can't make out some words):

    "I like creating magic, (sings) __ __ little cloud, up so high, watch me now, watch me now,
    __ __ I can do anything (talks) When I say magic, I mean wonderment, excitement, the unexpected, creating something that's so incredible, AN ILLUSION, to put people in a situation, no matter what it may be, and give them totally the opposite of the unexpected, so much more than they thought would happen. Whoosh, and just blow their minds. I like creating magic, excellence. I love doing that, unh, nothing like it. I try to do it in everything I do."

    By the way does anyone know what song he is singing about the "cloud"? Thanks.
  • Game PlayerGame Player Posts: 386
    In regards to the Miko interview on CNN, I see a man with a camera on his right shoulder and a man holding a mic in the next room. Most likely to catch different angles.
  • angelwingsangelwings Posts: 112
    This is great find! Mayor and MJ next to each other <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->


    [youtube:13h2hov5]
    Good catch....MJ....directing it all from behind the scenes. <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • DatrootDatroot Posts: 1,314
    Looking at it At it another way - maybe, in that particular shot, the Mayor was a double.
    That's also how I look at the possibilities. This is a fascinating example of why MJ never ceases to amaze people. At the beginning when I was less familiar with MJ, I was sure of doubles, but now a year into him, my heart tells me it is all him, except for shots like this for illusion sake. In both the videos you posted the MJ figure in white shirt and black pants has a blurry face, so it could be a stand-in to deceive us in an illusion.

    This video shot in the Encino yard in 1983 reveals this deliberate trickery by a young master. Michael gives us a peek into the way he thinks.
    <!-- m -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgO2P8iqATI<!-- m -->
    At 5:02 he talks about illusion (the fountain is loud and I can't make out some words):

    "I like creating magic, (sings) __ __ little cloud, up so high, watch me now, watch me now,
    __ __ I can do anything (talks) When I say magic, I mean wonderment, excitement, the unexpected, creating something that's so incredible, AN ILLUSION, to put people in a situation, no matter what it may be, and give them totally the opposite of the unexpected, so much more than they thought would happen. Whoosh, and just blow their minds. I like creating magic, excellence. I love doing that, unh, nothing like it. I try to do it in everything I do."

    By the way does anyone know what song he is singing about the "cloud"? Thanks.

    I believe he was refering to Peter Pan
  • Red_RoseRed_Rose Posts: 223
    MJ is a true genius!!!!
    It's all an infinite ILLUSION!!!
    LOVE IT <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
  • Unknown
    WHAT IS THE POINT? THAT WAS MICHAEL IN NEVERLAND OR HIS SHADOW?
    ASSUME MIKE, LONG TIME MJ's FRIEND AND PRETENDED DID NOT SEE ANYTHING?
    WHAT ABOUT CAMERA MAN AND REPORTER? THEY DID NOT NOTICE MICHAEL STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO CAMERA MAN?     <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
    Exactly, <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • MJmakesmespeechlessMJmakesmespeechless Posts: 1,468
    It's called a STAND IN
  • SEHFSEHF Posts: 954
    just a stand in.
  • Unknown
    Sorry but in the LKL interview there are TWO people in that shot and one has a camera. We can not see either of them clearly and it seems that they are both just members of the film crew that was at Neverland with Miko and Larry King.

    As for the "Ghost" video, it isn't unusual to have a stand in present on a video shoot for the "star". Plus there could have been a something that required Michael and the Mayor in the same shot or a different shot of Michael and getting in and out of that makeup and disguise would have been time consuming. Some things are achieved when a film is edited but they still require stand ins, doubles etc. We also don't know what was filmed but edited out of the final video that was released to the public.

    Neither of these clips actually proves anything related to the hoax.
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