You say much valuable information is being ignored. If you have the time, could you point to a couple of things that we should be paying more attention to? There's so much here that I often get overwhelmed and don't know which threads to follow and which I should ignore. Thanks so much!
Oh my, there are over 13,000 topics on here... I will see if I can find some stuff tonight if I have the time, but I can't promise you anything.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
I scanned through the job Mo@So have done. I am impressed! Congratulations! so much work to make us understand.
I will need to re-read it all to make a conclusion.
Thanks!
About Serenity, I understand what Kylie means and I do also think that she gets "info" but in a different way.
I can also add, that many of Serenity´s researches don´t come out from the blue and I am a "witness" of it, in the way that some of the subjects of her researchs has been already pointed to other people as well but she had the guts, brain, time and capacity to put it all together and give it shape and after that, presenting it to us....solving the "hints" understanding some of the "messages" presented to her.
So, after comparing some of her researches to some of the researches of other people who are not posting them publically because they don´t feel like it...or don´t trust or understand the "messages"...., in some way, we can say that Serenity "got info" from the source...or at least, that is how I understand it.
This "speech" of mine does not mean that I agree 100% with some of the researches and interpretations Serenity has done but i give her credit for it.
I always appreciate every ones input in and for the hoax, even the most silly detail can develop in a full investigation.
Everybody is important in this forum, the most active posters and the less, the lurkers, the jokers, the faithful, the angry......every single one, because we all are searching for one common goal, the truth about the death of our beloved Michael Jackson.
Thanks to every one of you who make possible to learn more about MJ and thanks MJ for uniting us.
@ Puff,
Not that I need to justify myself to you but, I have mostly posted in this thread because I feel very strongly that TS is pointing at Serenity being an informer, and none of you are able to see it, that is why I have to keep posting here.
Yes, I wrote that I believe TS 100%, why do you doubt that ?
Is it because I am reading the sentence in the correct way, as it is written, and you are reading it in the way that you want ?
I really do not know how else I can say it, but I will say it again....
The actual question TS asks is:
So would MJ have no informers? And if that doesn’t make sense, then who are the reliable MJ informers—if not TMZ and/or TS?
IF NOT TMZ AND/OR TS ....MEANS INFORMERS OTHER THAN TMZ OR TS, SO THE FACT THAT SERENITY'S POST IS ABOUT TMZ HAS NO RELEVANCE BECAUSE TS IS SAYING OTHER THAN TMZ......
Just because I only have a few posts and you have hundreds, does not mean that you know more than me, or that I do not do my own research. In fact, I have also done much research, I just choose to keep it to myself. Forums aren't really my thing, due to the bitching and politics that is rife among them.
And I did not mean to offend anyone, I do read other posts, all I am saying is that in my belief, Serenity researches such a wide range of topics, many of which go ignored because the posts are too long, or that others feel that her information cannot be relevant to the hoax.
Whatvever, anyway...I am not going to waste any more of my time here.
We must all have differences of opnions, that what makes the world go around, and I can see that as much as many here claim to have open minds and can accept anything, this may not actually be the truth.
Okay I see the confusion, and this is how I see it. "Who are Mike's informers if not TS/TMZ"... is like saying, "Who can you trust if not your mother", meaning...you can't trust anybody if you can't trust your mother. So...if TMZ and TS are not Mike's informers, then there are no informers. Meaning...they are most likely his informers. So if we believe in TS, then we should believe in TMZ.
I don't see how an english speaking person wouldn't understand this way of speaking. And I don't think TS would try to confuse us like that. I really don't think this is worth further debate because it's just a matter of a mishap in communication, not really backed up with anything else...
Okay I see the confusion, and this is how I see it. "Who are Mike's informers if not TS/TMZ"... is like saying, "Who can you trust if not your mother", meaning...you can't trust anybody if you can't trust your mother. So...if TMZ and TS are not Mike's informers, then there are no informers. Meaning...they are most likely his informers. So if we believe in TS, then we should believe in TMZ.
I don't see how an english speaking person wouldn't understand this way of speaking. And I don't think TS would try to confuse us like that. I really don't think this is worth further debate because it's just a matter of a mishap in communication, not really backed up with anything else...
Amen to that Jaci. The boards are loaded with people who's native language is English, so in case the meaning of TS' words was indeed pointing out to SD being an informer, it would have been picked up on shortly after TS posted his post. It's crystal clear what that sentence means, especially when you take notice of the rest of the "Does MJ Have Any Informers?" part TS posted which is all strong evidence of TMZ being a reliable informer, so I'm not going to waste any more time on it.
@ Puff,
Not that I need to justify myself to you but, I have mostly posted in this thread because I feel very strongly that TS is pointing at Serenity being an informer, and none of you are able to see it, that is why I have to keep posting here.
Yes, I wrote that I believe TS 100%, why do you doubt that ? Is it because I am reading the sentence in the correct way, as it is written, and you are reading it in the way that you want ?
I really do not know how else I can say it, but I will say it again....
The actual question TS asks is:
So would MJ have no informers? And if that doesn’t make sense, then who are the reliable MJ informers—if not TMZ and/or TS?
IF NOT TMZ AND/OR TS ....MEANS INFORMERS OTHER THAN TMZ OR TS, SO THE FACT THAT SERENITY'S POST IS ABOUT TMZ HAS NO RELEVANCE BECAUSE TS IS SAYING OTHER THAN TMZ......
Just because I only have a few posts and you have hundreds, does not mean that you know more than me, or that I do not do my own research. In fact, I have also done much research, I just choose to keep it to myself. Forums aren't really my thing, due to the bitching and politics that is rife among them.
And I did not mean to offend anyone, I do read other posts, all I am saying is that in my belief, Serenity researches such a wide range of topics, many of which go ignored because the posts are too long, or that others feel that her information cannot be relevant to the hoax.
Whatvever, anyway...I am not going to waste any more of my time here.
We must all have differences of opnions, that what makes the world go around, and I can see that as much as many here claim to have open minds and can accept anything, this may not actually be the truth.
Twisting TS' words doesn't mean reading the sentence in the correct way... but I see you didn't get the point...
Please, read what Jaci wrote!
Okay I see the confusion, and this is how I see it. "Who are Mike's informers if not TS/TMZ"... is like saying, "Who can you trust if not your mother", meaning...you can't trust anybody if you can't trust your mother. So...if TMZ and TS are not Mike's informers, then there are no informers. Meaning...they are most likely his informers. So if we believe in TS, then we should believe in TMZ.
I don't see how an english speaking person wouldn't understand this way of speaking. And I don't think TS would try to confuse us like that. I really don't think this is worth further debate because it's just a matter of a mishap in communication, not really backed up with anything else...
is it clear now...? <!-- s:ugeek: -->:ugeek:<!-- s:ugeek: -->
You know, Souza, you really have some points about the valuable info here. I've been here nearly a year, and I've read just about every interesting theory, clue thread and TS post. The problem is, I don't know what I'm supposed to look for. Like I see the new section for coherent theories, and realize that most of the posts there, like Bec's and yours, are also mine! So posting there seems unnecessary for me, I wouldn't be saying anything new. And when you say:
TMZ IS giving information, if only you would read between the lines, so I strongly disagree with you on that. If Serenity is an informer, dozens of others on this forum are too, because they too provide information, which can be found on the web by anyone, if only some people would actually help find that information instead of waiting for others to do the work. TS is providing us with inside information, something no one in hoax land would have figured out.
Well, that's something I often think about. But again, I just don't know what to look for, it's hard to know when there's so many interpretations, whether or not people who speak out are is truly "in on it", the threads about MJ being Jesus or all of that hyper-spiritual-philosophical stuff- I'm a pretty simple lady, I know I'm not as intelligent as most people here because of my education and I'm tired of feeling overwhelmed, and very tired of being referred to as a "lab rat" trapped in some "ARG" lab experiment/maze while someone watches- that's not the way I think of the hoax; I'm usually short, sweet and to the point, I just want to find something useful so that we can move along and finally hear the complete story for once and for all from the source of all of this..
You know, Souza, you really have some points about the valuable info here. I've been here nearly a year, and I've read just about every interesting theory, clue thread and TS post. The problem is, I don't know what I'm supposed to look for. Like I see the new section for coherent theories, and realize that most of the posts there, like Bec's and yours, are also mine! So posting there seems unnecessary for me, I wouldn't be saying anything new. And when you say:
TMZ IS giving information, if only you would read between the lines, so I strongly disagree with you on that. If Serenity is an informer, dozens of others on this forum are too, because they too provide information, which can be found on the web by anyone, if only some people would actually help find that information instead of waiting for others to do the work. TS is providing us with inside information, something no one in hoax land would have figured out.
Well, that's something I often think about. But again, I just don't know what to look for, it's hard to know when there's so many interpretations, whether or not people who speak out are is truly "in on it", the threads about MJ being Jesus or all of that hyper-spiritual-philosophical stuff- I'm a pretty simple lady, I know I'm not as intelligent as most people here because of my education and I'm tired of feeling overwhelmed, and very tired of being referred to as a "lab rat" trapped in some "ARG" lab experiment/maze while someone watches- that's not the way I think of the hoax; I'm usually short, sweet and to the point, I just want to find something useful so that we can move along and finally hear the complete story for once and for all from the source of all of this..
I totally understand and appreciate your point of view. I do think it's important though to realize that this whole thing is affecting everyone in different ways. They hyper-spiritual-philosohical stuff is the stuff that I can relate to most. I get frustrated in the threads about the legal side of things and all the technicalities, so I can relate to your frustration even though it's regarding something different. I think that's what's so cool about it all though is that it is reaching many different kinds of people, bringing us all together so that what each of us lack individually can be made up by the strengths of someone else. If we were all the same and like-minded, we may never find the truth...
I can relate to everyone's frustration. I too want it all written out for me in an A-Z fashion at one all inclusive source where everything is properly catalogued, no cross postings, no drama, etc. It's somewhat like reading a great mystery novel. The temptation is to read the last few pages to see who done it cuz the suspense is killing you. This is, of course, much more than that. Many of us have had profound life changing experiences. We've made friends, stretched our minds to encompass new possibilities about our history and our future, and spent some time looking at that (wo)man in the mirror. I guess what I'm saying is that this really is a great adventure and we may as well enjoy the ride as long as it lasts, without too much concern as to where it is leading.
Another reason to believe in TMZ is the fact that they are still reporting on events connected to Michael on an almost daily basis. What other news blog is doing that?
I've definitely been asking myself that same question for awhile now. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Okay I see the confusion, and this is how I see it. "Who are Mike's informers if not TS/TMZ"... is like saying, "Who can you trust if not your mother", meaning...you can't trust anybody if you can't trust your mother. So...if TMZ and TS are not Mike's informers, then there are no informers. Meaning...they are most likely his informers. So if we believe in TS, then we should believe in TMZ.
I don't see how an english speaking person wouldn't understand this way of speaking. And I don't think TS would try to confuse us like that. I really don't think this is worth further debate because it's just a matter of a mishap in communication, not really backed up with anything else...
I only know English (albeit lousy at writing, and know a tiny bit of French and Low German), and I also read this as the first part being the question, answered completely ("if" is not hypothetical here) by the second part. "Who are Mike's informers?" and "if not TS/TMZ". Kylie, you are continuing the statement when it doesn't suggest that. In a way it is similar to a rhetorical question, in that the whole sentence could also be a question, that needs no answer but is for dramatic effect. <!-- m -->http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ ... l+question<!-- m -->
rhetorical question –noun
a question asked solely to produce an effect or to make an assertion and not to elicit a reply, as “What is so rare as a day in June?”
a question to which no answer is required: used esp for dramatic effect. An example is Who knows? (with the implication Nobody knows )
A question posed without expectation of an answer but merely as a way of making a point: “You don't expect me to go along with that crazy scheme, do you?”
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The only ones I've ever remotely suspected, are Mo and Souza, because they/you have been here since the beginning, and have done an incredible amount of work and know so much! Sorry Mo and Souza! <!-- s --><!-- s --> But this whole scenario is so surreal, in that we don't know what each other look like or a whole lot about each others' backgrounds. And for a year we've been inundated by people posing as other people with good or bad intentions, so who can blame us for being suspicious by nature? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
I know this sounds goofy but it reminds me of an ice-breaker game of "Murder" I've played where a group of 10 or so sit in a circle, each is given a playing card, with one person randomly given a predesignated "murder" card. That person must try to kill each of the others by winking at them secretly, but not be noticed by the others. If she catches you in the eyes, you must place your card face-up in the middle so all know you are dead. Everyone is looking around for the winker but hoping not to catch her in the eyes, and anyone can try to guess who she is to stop her, but if they are wrong they have to put in their card, too. Sometimes someone is wrongly accused because they accidently blink or twitch their eye. The winner of a set of games is who can kill the most before being caught. It's fun! So what I am saying is that maybe there IS an informer amongst us, but he/she has to be very careful not to be detected.
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MJonmind, I can assure you I have not the education nor the intelligence to write posts like TS'. I have also never met Mr. Jackson and I am not following his 'orders', so I am not an informer either. The fact that I am still here is because I found out about a year ago that this whole project is bigger than life and so very important for all of us and needs support in any way possible. I am also someone who can't let go. When I start something that triggers my interest that much, I want to 'keep watchin'. I realize many are having the most outlandish theories about why we are still putting so much energy into this, but I guess they have never been hit that hard by something that turned out that important to them. In the past year 'hoaxing' I have learned 1,000 times more than in the 12 years I went to school and for that alone I will be always grateful.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
MJonmind, I can assure you I have not the education nor the intelligence to write posts like TS'. I have also never met Mr. Jackson and I am not following his 'orders', so I am not an informer either. The fact that I am still here is because I found out about a year ago that this whole project is bigger than life and so very important for all of us and needs support in any way possible. I am also someone who can't let go. When I start something that triggers my interest that much, I want to 'keep watchin'. I realize many are having the most outlandish theories about why we are still putting so much energy into this, but I guess they have never been hit that hard by something that turned out that important to them. In the past year 'hoaxing' I have learned 1,000 times more than in the 12 years I went to school and for that alone I will be always grateful.
Souza, I am so thankful to you and Mo for keeping this site up and running. I too have learned so much valuable information - a lot of it I was aware of before, as I've always been a "conspiracy sister", but this site has provided so much more for me. I believe in what Michael is doing and I'd like to think I'm doing my part by making others aware of what's really going on in the world (even when I'm often met with eye-rolling) and by just being a good person and helping people in any way I can. So Souza, I am grateful that you put so much energy into our site - I don't know what I'd do without it! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."I will need to re-read it all to make a conclusion.
Thanks!
About Serenity, I understand what Kylie means and I do also think that she gets "info" but in a different way.
I can also add, that many of Serenity´s researches don´t come out from the blue and I am a "witness" of it, in the way that some of the subjects of her researchs has been already pointed to other people as well but she had the guts, brain, time and capacity to put it all together and give it shape and after that, presenting it to us....solving the "hints" understanding some of the "messages" presented to her.
So, after comparing some of her researches to some of the researches of other people who are not posting them publically because they don´t feel like it...or don´t trust or understand the "messages"...., in some way, we can say that Serenity "got info" from the source...or at least, that is how I understand it.
This "speech" of mine does not mean that I agree 100% with some of the researches and interpretations Serenity has done but i give her credit for it.
I always appreciate every ones input in and for the hoax, even the most silly detail can develop in a full investigation.
Everybody is important in this forum, the most active posters and the less, the lurkers, the jokers, the faithful, the angry......every single one, because we all are searching for one common goal, the truth about the death of our beloved Michael Jackson.
Thanks to every one of you who make possible to learn more about MJ and thanks MJ for uniting us.
Hugs to all of you.
Not that I need to justify myself to you but, I have mostly posted in this thread because I feel very strongly that TS is pointing at Serenity being an informer, and none of you are able to see it, that is why I have to keep posting here.
Yes, I wrote that I believe TS 100%, why do you doubt that ?
Is it because I am reading the sentence in the correct way, as it is written, and you are reading it in the way that you want ?
I really do not know how else I can say it, but I will say it again....
The actual question TS asks is:
So would MJ have no informers? And if that doesn’t make sense, then who are the reliable MJ informers—if not TMZ and/or TS?
IF NOT TMZ AND/OR TS ....MEANS INFORMERS OTHER THAN TMZ OR TS, SO THE FACT THAT SERENITY'S POST IS ABOUT TMZ HAS NO RELEVANCE BECAUSE TS IS SAYING OTHER THAN TMZ......
Just because I only have a few posts and you have hundreds, does not mean that you know more than me, or that I do not do my own research. In fact, I have also done much research, I just choose to keep it to myself. Forums aren't really my thing, due to the bitching and politics that is rife among them.
And I did not mean to offend anyone, I do read other posts, all I am saying is that in my belief, Serenity researches such a wide range of topics, many of which go ignored because the posts are too long, or that others feel that her information cannot be relevant to the hoax.
Whatvever, anyway...I am not going to waste any more of my time here.
We must all have differences of opnions, that what makes the world go around, and I can see that as much as many here claim to have open minds and can accept anything, this may not actually be the truth.
I don't see how an english speaking person wouldn't understand this way of speaking. And I don't think TS would try to confuse us like that. I really don't think this is worth further debate because it's just a matter of a mishap in communication, not really backed up with anything else...
Amen to that Jaci. The boards are loaded with people who's native language is English, so in case the meaning of TS' words was indeed pointing out to SD being an informer, it would have been picked up on shortly after TS posted his post. It's crystal clear what that sentence means, especially when you take notice of the rest of the "Does MJ Have Any Informers?" part TS posted which is all strong evidence of TMZ being a reliable informer, so I'm not going to waste any more time on it.
Twisting TS' words doesn't mean reading the sentence in the correct way... but I see you didn't get the point...
Please, read what Jaci wrote!
is it clear now...? <!-- s:ugeek: -->:ugeek:<!-- s:ugeek: -->
I totally understand and appreciate your point of view. I do think it's important though to realize that this whole thing is affecting everyone in different ways. They hyper-spiritual-philosohical stuff is the stuff that I can relate to most. I get frustrated in the threads about the legal side of things and all the technicalities, so I can relate to your frustration even though it's regarding something different. I think that's what's so cool about it all though is that it is reaching many different kinds of people, bringing us all together so that what each of us lack individually can be made up by the strengths of someone else. If we were all the same and like-minded, we may never find the truth...
I only know English (albeit lousy at writing, and know a tiny bit of French and Low German), and I also read this as the first part being the question, answered completely ("if" is not hypothetical here) by the second part. "Who are Mike's informers?" and "if not TS/TMZ". Kylie, you are continuing the statement when it doesn't suggest that. In a way it is similar to a rhetorical question, in that the whole sentence could also be a question, that needs no answer but is for dramatic effect. <!-- m -->http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ ... l+question<!-- m -->
The only ones I've ever remotely suspected, are Mo and Souza, because they/you have been here since the beginning, and have done an incredible amount of work and know so much! Sorry Mo and Souza! <!-- s
I know this sounds goofy but it reminds me of an ice-breaker game of "Murder" I've played where a group of 10 or so sit in a circle, each is given a playing card, with one person randomly given a predesignated "murder" card. That person must try to kill each of the others by winking at them secretly, but not be noticed by the others. If she catches you in the eyes, you must place your card face-up in the middle so all know you are dead. Everyone is looking around for the winker but hoping not to catch her in the eyes, and anyone can try to guess who she is to stop her, but if they are wrong they have to put in their card, too. Sometimes someone is wrongly accused because they accidently blink or twitch their eye. The winner of a set of games is who can kill the most before being caught. It's fun! So what I am saying is that maybe there IS an informer amongst us, but he/she has to be very careful not to be detected.
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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Souza, I am so thankful to you and Mo for keeping this site up and running. I too have learned so much valuable information - a lot of it I was aware of before, as I've always been a "conspiracy sister", but this site has provided so much more for me. I believe in what Michael is doing and I'd like to think I'm doing my part by making others aware of what's really going on in the world (even when I'm often met with eye-rolling) and by just being a good person and helping people in any way I can. So Souza, I am grateful that you put so much energy into our site - I don't know what I'd do without it! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->