@ Serenity, I asked you in the visions thread already with no answer from you.
Where does this Pilatus and Claudia research leads us. I am lost.
Pontius Pilate declared Jesus innocent at least three times and for this he is considered a Saint.
Saint Pontius Pilate is celebrated on June 25 in Ethiopia.
Michael's "death" occurs on June 25, 2009.
Ethiopia is the possible location of the "Ark of the Covenant".
Th Ethiopian Church announces on June 25, 2009 that the Ark is going to be revealed.
On June 26th this was rescinded after a meeting with the Pope.
Michael has a Royal Coat of Arms (resembling the British COA, not exact but similar) on the Gates of Neverland. It is described as "the Jackson Family Crest".
The Royal Families in this world, are Royals because it is believed that they can trace their lineage back to King David of Israel which Jesus is also supposedly a descendant of.
Michael dresses very similar to the King of Ethiopia.
Michael is descended from slaves, many slaves came from Ethiopia.
When Michael visited Africa he was made a king and was greeted with signs saying "Welcome Home".
Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism<br /> by Gema » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:30 am <br />Serenitys_Dream wrote:<br />Gema wrote:@ Serenity, I asked you in the visions thread already with no answer from you.<br />Where does this Pilatus and Claudia research leads us. I am lost.<br /><br /><br />Pontius Pilate declared Jesus innocent at least three times and for this he is considered a Saint. <br />Saint Pontius Pilate is celebrated on June 25 in Ethiopia.<br />Michael's "death" occurs on June 25, 2009. <br />Ethiopia is the possible location of the "Ark of the Covenant". <br />Th Ethiopian Church announces on June 25, 2009 that the Ark is going to be revealed.<br />On June 26th this was rescinded after a meeting with the Pope.<br />Michael has a Royal Coat of Arms (resembling the British COA, not exact but similar) on the Gates of Neverland. It is described as "the Jackson Family Crest".<br />The Royal Families in this world, are Royals because it is believed that they can trace their lineage back to King David of Israel which Jesus is also supposedly a descendant of.<br />Michael dresses very similar to the King of Ethiopia.<br />Michael is descended from slaves, many slaves came from Ethiopia. <br />When Michael visited Africa he was made a king and was greeted with signs saying "Welcome Home".<br /><br />So where does that leave us Gema?<br /><br /><br /><br />HOLLY COW <br /><br />Thanks for the spoon feeding <br /><br />Are we being lead to Ethiopia?<br />Minkin güerveeeee<br /><br />Gema..Do you not recall, that,<br />.this subject of MJ 's Royalty question as leading or pointing to the Ethiopian Royals was already discussed/debated at length on the thread Visions from Michael between me and Serenity month ago?..<br /><br />.In fact I was going to post a summery of that same debate back up, to serve as a refresher to our mem. for my long promised upcoming post touching the subject or question of Michael and his possible Royalty connection.<br /><br />And just to answer your question above Gema,while all are free to believe as they wish ,and any thing is possible, I personally do not think this is the case.<br /> <br /><br />As a native of Ethiopia and knowing it's history and culture and Religious practices as well, I honestly do not believe , that we are being led to Ethiopia at all in connection to Mike and his Royalty .<br /><br />Sorry , too long of an explanation as to why I believe as I do, etc. too much for me to get into right here and now, <br /><br />but if you interested what I got to say about it, pls check out my upcoming post regarding this subject, at Visions from Michael,,<br /> as I will post the issue there as I have originally planned to do anyway, and promised our posters and readers there over and over again, as you already know Gema, <!-- s:roll: --> :roll: <!-- s:roll: --> <br /><br />Lol, I can see , I need to really make time and post about this issue. Gives people a counter point to consider, at the very least? <!-- s:? --> :? <!-- s:? --> <br />Peace.
Gansu - a province located in the northwest of the People's Republic of China. It lies between the Tibetan and Huangtu plateaus, and borders Mongolia, Inner Mongolia, and Ningxia to the north, Xinjiang and Qinghai to the west, Sichuan to the south, and Shaanxi to the east.The Yellow River passes through the southern part of the province. The capital is Lanzhou, located in the southeast part of the province. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gansu
The Yellow River - is the second-longest river in China and the seventh longest in the world. Sometimes the Yellow River is poetically called the "Muddy Flow" . The Chinese idiom "when the Yellow River flows clear" is used to refer to an event that will never happen and is similar to the English expression "when pigs fly". Its Tibetan name is "River of the Peacock". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_River
Yesterday, in the thread about Murray's bow tie, a member suggested that the circles on the tie resembled those on a peacock feather.
Bingling Temple &Thousand Buddha Caves
Binglingsi Grottoes is located on the Small Jishi Hill, about 35 kilometers (about 22 miles) south-west of Yongjing County inLanzhou City, Gansu Province. It is a series of grottoes filled with Buddhist sculpture carved into natural caves and caverns in a canyon along the Yellow River. It lies just north of where the Yellow River empties into the Liujiaxia Reservoir created by the Liujiaxia Dam at Yongjing, about 80km from Lanzhou. http://yeschinatour.com/china-guides/china-attractions/binglingsi-grottoes-lanzhou/
From the Video for "Scream"
Buddha
‘Buddha’ means ‘Awakened One’, someone who has awakened from the sleep of ignorance and sees things as they really are. A Buddha is a person who is completely free from all faults and mental obstructions. http://www.aboutbuddha.org/english/who-is-buddha.htm/
Parallels between Buddha and Jesus
Numerous scholars have made parallels between Buddha and Jesus. According to Jerry Bentley, they "have often considered the possibility that Buddhism influenced the early development of Christianity. They have drawn attention to many parallels concerning the births, lives, doctrines, and deaths of the Buddha and Jesus" More at the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallels_between_Buddha_and_Jesus
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Sade - Soldier Of Love lyrics
I've lost the use of my heart
But I'm still alive
Still looking for the life
The endless pool on the other side
It's a wild wild west
I'm doing my best
I'm at the borderline of my faith,
I'm at the hinterland of my devotion
In the frontline of this battle of mine
But I'm still alive
I'm a soldier of love.
Every day and night
I'm soldier of love
All the days of my life
I've been torn up inside (oh!)
I've been left behind (oh!)
So I ride
I have the will to survive
In the wild wild west,
Trying my hardest
Doing my best
To stay alive
I am love's soldier!
I wait for the sound
(oooh oohhh)
I know that love will come (that love will come)
Turn it all around
The paramedics have testified that Murray told them he was trying to rehydrate Michael; that he was dehydrated. The autopsy report also says that Michael was dehydrated.<br /><br />Dehydrated - suffering from excessive loss of water from the body<br />http://http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dehydrated<br /><br />Dehydration<br />You may have heard that by the time you feel thirsty, you are already dehydrated. This statement is a little bit drastic, but holds some truth. <br />http://http://hubpages.com/hub/Dehyration<br /><br />Okay so someone suffering from dehydration feels thirsty. Kind of obvious right.<br /><br />But Michael suffering and being thirsty may be symbolizing something else... <br /><br />John 7:37-38 <br />37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.<br /><br />38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.<br />http://http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john 7:37-38&version=KJV<br /><br />From The Last Seven Words of Christ on the Cross<br />John 19:28 <br /><br />THE FIFTH WORD<br /><br />28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.<br />http://http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john 19:28&version=KJV
Gansu - a province located in the northwest of the People's Republic of China. It lies between the Tibetan and Huangtu plateaus, and borders Mongolia, Inner Mongolia, and Ningxia to the north, Xinjiang and Qinghai to the west, Sichuan to the south, and Shaanxi to the east.The Yellow River passes through the southern part of the province. The capital is Lanzhou, located in the southeast part of the province. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gansu
The Yellow River - is the second-longest river in China and the seventh longest in the world. Sometimes the Yellow River is poetically called the "Muddy Flow" . The Chinese idiom "when the Yellow River flows clear" is used to refer to an event that will never happen and is similar to the English expression "when pigs fly". Its Tibetan name is "River of the Peacock". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_River
Yesterday, in the thread about Murray's bow tie, a member suggested that the circles on the tie resembled those on a peacock feather.
I just wanted to add the symbolism of the peacock to this.
Peacock Symbolism
The peacock is a possessor of some of the most admired human characteristics, and is a symbol of integrity and the beauty we can achieve when we endeavor to show our true colors.
In history, myth, legend and lore, the Peacock symbolism carries portents of:Nobility, Holiness, Guidance, Protection and Watchfulness.
Here is a keyword quick-list of peacock symbolism:
In Greco-Roman mythology the Peacock is identified with Hera (Juno) who created the Peacock from Argus whose hundred eyes (seen on the tail feathers of the Peacock) symbolize the vault of heaven and the “eyes” of the stars.
In Hinduism the Peacock is associated with Lakshmi who is a deity representing benevolence, patience, kindness, compassion and good luck.
Similar to Lakshmi, the Peacock is associated with Kwan-yin in Asian spirituality. Kwan-yin (or Quan Yin) is also an emblem of love, compassionate watchfulness, good-will, nurturing, and kind-heartedness. Legend tells us she chose to remain a mortal even though she could be immortal because she wished to stay behind and aid humanity in their spiritual evolution.
In Babylonia and Persiathe Peacock is seen as a guardian to royalty, and is often seen in engravings upon the thrones of royalty.
In Christianity the Peacock symbolism represents the “all-seeing” church, along with the holiness and sanctity associated with it. Additionally, the Peacock represents resurrection, renewal and immortality within the spiritual teachings of Christianity.
Pan (god)
Pan in Greek religion and mythology, is the god of shepherds and flocks, of mountain wilds, hunting and rustic music, as well as the companion of the nymphs. His name originates within the Greek language, from the word paein, meaning "to pasture." He has the hindquarters, legs, and horns of a goat, in the same manner as a faun or satyr. With his homeland in rustic Arcadia, he is recognized as the god of fields, groves, and wooded glens; because of this, Pan is connected to fertility and the season of spring. The ancient Greeks also considered Pan to be the god of theatrical criticism.
Green Man
Represents such figures as Jesus, Osiris, Pan, Dionysus (also known as Bacchus), Robin Hood, and a modern version is Peter Pan who emerges from Neverland clothed in Green leaves.
I was looking at TMZ today and they have a photo Gallery of items that were being auctioned by Julien's Auctions. Some of these photographs are jumping out at me.<br /><br />http://http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/juliens_michael_jackson_auction#tab=most_recent&id=71665<br /><br />Crowns<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />And Especially the sword in this one...<br /><br /><br /><br />Reminds me of this painting too.<br /><br /><br /><br />Darth Vader Light Saber (or Light Sword)<br /><br /><br /><br />Edward Scissor Hands (blades again)<br /><br /><br /><br />There is also the gold Fencing outfit. <br /><br /><br /><br />Fencing<br />The English term fencing, in the sense of "the action or art of using the sword scientifically"<br />http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fencing<br /><br />According to the Gospel of Barnabas, chapter 57, at the day of the judgment the Angel Michael will strike Satan 100000 times with the sword of God.<br />http://http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu100000.php<br /><br />Look at the belt too, it has the fleur-de-lis on it. <br /><br /><br /><br />The fleur-de-lis<br /><br /><br /><br />The fleur-de-lis (or fleur-de-lys) is a stylized lily or iris that is used as a decorative design or symbol. It may be "at one and the same time, political, dynastic, artistic, emblematic, and symbolic", especially in heraldry. By the 12th century the fleur-de-lis had become the heraldic emblem of the Capetian kings of France.<br />http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur-de-lis#Royal_symbol<br /><br />The fleur-de-lis was also on the gates of Neverland, Irises where mixed in with Lillies on the casket at the funeral, and Michael was holding Irises in the second "Liberian Girl" photo at the funeral. All of this was in my original post in this thread.
I think I read that the fleur de lis is also a masonic symbol?
It is from this hieroglyph that the French "fleur de lis" [fig.16] traces its origin. The "fleur de lis" represents the Tree of Life.
The glyph which denotes the sacred knowledge associated with Hu is also formed by the three stems of the three sacred lotus lilies. The Osiris Crown can be similarly considered in these terms.
Following the role model of Osiris, in 1346 AD Edward the Black Prince won three feathers at Crecy which he adopted as his emblem. If the three feathers are gathered at the stems a 'fleur de lis' is created. [fig.17]
But Edward was not the first. Crusaders introduced lilies into European Christian art; because of its association with the Crusaders, the lily came to stand for chivalry, and the French nobility adopted the fleur-de-lis as its symbol. The motif was first used by King Philip I (1052-1108) of France in the 11th century. The 'Lilies' are said not to have appeared in the French arms until the time of Philip Augustus (1165-1223). In Christian symbolism, the fleur-de-lis is used as a symbol of the Holy Trinity and as an ensign of the Virgin Mary, mimicking the rose. http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/masonic-apron-rosette.html
"Milk" - Propofol
It has been reported that Michael supposedly referred to Propofol as "Milk". Besides Propofol being white in colour and referred to as milk by medical professionals, could there be another reason?
The following bible passage speaks of how we are fed by God on spiritual milk, like babies, until we have matured enough to accept the "meat" of the message. This passage also addresses division amongst believers. http://www.christnotes.org/commentary.php?b=46&c=3&com=wes
1 Corinthians 3:1-3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
by Serenitys_Dream » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:45 pm <br />"Milk" - Propofol<br />It has been reported that Michael supposedly referred to Propofol as "Milk". <br />Besides Propofol being white in colour and referred to as milk by medical professionals, could there be another reason?<br /><br />The following bible passage speaks of how we are fed by God on spiritual milk, like babies<br />, until we have matured enough to accept the "meat" of the message.
<br /><br />O.k. I get it,based on the prosecutors and defense presentations of what happened to our Mike, and his alleged propofol intoxication/addiction etc., and as all of us have heard by now, Mike as reported ,has referred to propofol as his milk ,the same he reportedly referred to wine as “Jesus ‘s Juice”as also reported by Media in his 2005 trial. <br />.<br />Well, we could forget about the wine for a minute, but this milk euphemism of propofol, that Mike supposedly used, suddenly has got a new meaning/clue, as suggested by the post above. <!-- s:? --> :? <!-- s:? --> <br /><br />I suppose, we just need a very open mind to see it, is all.. <!-- s:? --> :? <!-- s:? --> <br /><br />I mean, I could perhaps try to see something in all this comparison of propofol with milk,by Mike, especially, since Serenity has just very recently kindly advised me, to really open my mind and look for the real clues beneath the surface, in all the media reports, ,<br /> and all that good stuff,in order for me to see the hoax. <!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) --> <br /><br />So I am here trying to do just that, and here is what comes to mind.<br /><br />Our Michael was so spiritual he had his spirituality administered to him by an incompetent DoC ..intravenously, directly into his veins, :? <br /><br /> and if that act by chance failed to do the trick, supposedly Mike himself, perhaps could always reach into the Baby Essentials Bag ,and take a few sips of “ milky spirituality” into his stomach,mixed with his fave juice ? <!-- s:? --> :? <!-- s:? --> <br /><br />Spirituality compared with propofol? <!-- s:? --> :? <!-- s:? --> <!-- s:shock: --> :shock: <!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:? --> :? <!-- s:? --> <br /><br /><br />Hilarious comparison , about Mike’s nighty night “milk” and St. Paul allegory of a tender stage of spirituality of the seeker of God, as told in NT of the Christian Bible IMO...<br /><br />Chamone..<br />...way to go.<br />.Really!! <!-- s --> <!-- s --> <br /><br />This is what I call , really,thinking way out of the Box,<br /> Or is it way out of left field. ? <!-- s:? --> :? <!-- s:? --> <br /><br />But of course every one of us are entitled to see things the way we wish to see them, or understand them.<br /><br />And this is just my own take of this particular matter. .<br /><br />And it goes without saying, that I could be wrong of course, in my own humble understanding of Mike calling propofol his milk. <!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) --> <br /><br />He may have been talking about his spirituality or something else altogether different,every time Mike talked about propofol as his milk . <!-- s --> <!-- s --> <br /><br />Well, anyway,just thought I stop by this thread, and drop a few lines about my take of the matter,since when I read the post LOL, it really did make me laugh.<br /> Honestly..<br />Thanks for the belly laugh. <!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) --> <br />Peace.
But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
~ Luke 6:27-31
Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism<br /> by Serenitys_Dream » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:28 pm <br />@Supervision<;br /><br />But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you. <br />~ Luke 6:27-31
<br /><br />A good Christian quote, I so do believe, though most inappropriate under the circumstances? <!-- s:? --> :? <!-- s:? --><br /><br /> LOL, I mean what is with the enemy talk here ?<br />Who really is the enemy in this,our story? <!-- s:?: --> :?: <!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:? --> :? <!-- s:? --> <br /><br />Well, to me, it really is quite easy to see who is the real enemy here in our story. Why,in this here , our story, it is more than likely none other than the "Milky Spiritual Substance" itself, which may have finally killed our Mike, <!-- s --> <!-- s --> <br /><br />or is it that, the "famous" "milky" substance"... may actually have contributed and/or added to Mike's Spiritual standing,as suggested by the previous post, and thereby, and ultimately made KOP Michael, an utter Saint or even as great as a bona fide Messiah in his own right LOL.? <!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) --> <br />Peace.
Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism
by Serenitys_Dream » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:28 pm @Supervision
But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
~ Luke 6:27-31
A good Christian quote, I so do believe, though most inappropriate under the circumstances? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
My post is in response to your sarcastic/ironic posts and has nothing to do with propofol, religion or Michael and is therefore quite appropriate.
Sarcasm - A sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter jibe or taunt. Sarcasm has been identified as a possible bullying action. In sarcasm, ridicule or mockery is used harshly, often crudely and contemptuously, for destructive purposes. It may be used in an indirect manner, and have the form of irony, as in “What a fine musician you turned out to be!” or it may be used in the form of a direct statement, “You couldn't play one piece correctly if you had two assistants.” Hostile, critical comments may be expressed in an ironic way, such as saying "don't work too hard" to a lazy worker. The use of irony introduces an element of humour which may make the criticism seem more polite and less aggressive.
Please stop hijacking this thread with all this negativity.
Serenity wrote:<br />Please stop hijacking this thread with all this negativity.<br />
<br /><br /><br />Beg your pardon,but... No one is hijacking this thread at all as far as I can see anyway? <!-- s:? --> :? <!-- s:? --> .<br /><br /> This thread too, though , you have started it, I believe is still a part of the forum, and I have every right to post my views here,just as well as you post in the thread Visions from Michael, for instance, which,as you well know I myself started, just like as you did this one.<br /><br /><br />But,be that as it may be, as return request of my own to you,<br /> please stop saying that I am your Enemy,,<br /> as you so plainly were obviously saying with your post of the “turn the other cheek” quote. :? <br /> <br />To tell you the truth, when I first read your post, the comparison you were making of propofol and the milk stage of spirituality ala St.Paul in NT , was really something I found quite hilarious,.<br /><br />.and yes, I posted my reply here, as I really had wanted you perhaps see, the humor in it as well. <!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) --> <br /><br /><br />So, If you failed to see the humor in it,just quite as I did, then ,I am sure, my own attempt to do so, does not make me your enemy.<br /><br /><br />And yes, without a doubt, your post has most definitely to do with Mike and propofol,<br /><br />I mean the whole thing about your post was, you actually were trying to compare St.Paul’ s reference to milk,as in a young stage in a spiritual journey of the believer, with that of Mike’s euphemistic label of propofol as milk. <!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) --> <br /><br />I am sure, that, I do not have to tell you, that if You post your views on this public forum, I am sure you can expect a reply from other posters, even if you do not agree with their reply post, or even perhaps won't like the contents of their post either. <br /><br /> This is still an open forum as far as I know. <!-- s:?: --> :?: <!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:? --> :? <!-- s:? --> <br /> <br /><br />So pls. stop ordering people around about what they should do and not do, and especially calling people your enemy without a cause, such as you are calling me here in your post once again.<br /><br />Really, I am sorry to see, that you couldn’t recognize the humor in your own comparison of propofol with that of spirituality,ala St.Paul,LOL <!-- s --> <!-- s --> <br /><br /><br />IMO, if one wishes not to incite humor , one should perhaps not tell funny stories. <!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) --> <br /> And yes ,your post was extremely hilarious to me personally anyway LOL. <!-- s --> <!-- s --> <br /><br />Peace.
SD, I just want to comment on the Jackson family crest on the Neverland gates. You've said it is similar to the British Royal Family Crest.<br /><br />
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<br />Jackson is a common surname of English and Scottish origin. It literally means "son of Jack". In 1980 Jackson was the 24th most popular surname in England and Wales.[3] In the 1990 United States Census, Jackson was the thirteenth most frequently reported surname, accounting for 0.3% of the population.[4]
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<br /><!-- m -->http://www.towncalleddobson.com/?p=1111<!-- m --><br />Black History: Slave Names<br />By stormbear, on April 7th, 2008<br /><br />The vast majority of African-Americans in the United States were enslaved prior to the ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment to the US Constitution. During enslavement, slaves’ names were assigned by their owners. Others received a name based on what kind of work they were forced to do. Some African-Americans have last names such as Cotton, reflecting when they were made to pick cotton as slaves.<br /><br />After emancipation, many freedmen and -women took the surnames of their former owners as their own. Some blacks in the U.S. took on the surname Freeman, while others adopted the names of popular historical or contemporary figures of social importance, such as former presidents Washington, Jefferson, and Jackson.<br />A number of African-Americans and Jamaican Americans have changed their names out of the belief that the names they were given at birth were “slave names.” An individual’s name change often coincides with a religious conversion (Muhammad Ali and Louis Farrakhan, for example) or involvement with the black nationalist movement (e.g., Amiri Baraka and Assata Shakur).<br /><br />Some organizations encourage African-Americans to abandon their “slave names.” The Nation of Islam is perhaps the best-known of them. In his book, Message to the Blackman in America, Nation of Islam leader Elijah Muhammad writes often of “slave names.” Some of his comments include:<br /><br />“You must remember that slave-names will keep you a slave in the eyes of the civilized world today. You have seen, and recently, that Africa and Asia will not honor you or give you any respect as long as you are called by the white man’s name.” <br />“You are still called by your slave-masters’ names. By rights, by international rights, you belong to the white man of America. He knows that. You have never gotten out of the shackles of slavery. You are still in them.”<br />Other organizations, such as the Black nationalist US Organization also advocate for African-Americans to change their “slave names.”<br /><br />Nevertheless, the overwhelming majority of African-Americans bear “slave names.”
I believe that was the enemy's concerted attempt to wipe out all recognition of who they were as a people. The Hebrew Israelites of the Old Testament. Could it be that there is some irony found in this crest. That Michael might be saying, though slavemasters sought to wipe our history and names from our knowledge, God can bypass all of that and give the true royalty their crest? He is saying he is the true descendant of David, not the British crown. Remember Michael's deep respect and sympathy for Princess Diana, caught in that whole affair of producing an heir. (True and counterfeit lines running parallel, leading to the ultimate joust.) JMO
SD, I just want to comment on the Jackson family crest on the Neverland gates. You've said it is similar to the British Royal Family Crest.<br /><br />
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<br />Jackson is a common surname of English and Scottish origin. It literally means "son of Jack". In 1980 Jackson was the 24th most popular surname in England and Wales. In the 1990 United States Census, Jackson was the thirteenth most frequently reported surname, accounting for 0.3% of the population.
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<br /><!-- m -->http://www.towncalleddobson.com/?p=1111<!-- m --><br />Black History: Slave Names<br />By stormbear, on April 7th, 2008<br /><br />The vast majority of African-Americans in the United States were enslaved prior to the ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment to the US Constitution. During enslavement, slaves’ names were assigned by their owners. Others received a name based on what kind of work they were forced to do. Some African-Americans have last names such as Cotton, reflecting when they were made to pick cotton as slaves.<br /><br />After emancipation, many freedmen and -women took the surnames of their former owners as their own. Some blacks in the U.S. took on the surname Freeman, while others adopted the names of popular historical or contemporary figures of social importance, such as former presidents Washington, Jefferson, and Jackson.<br />A number of African-Americans and Jamaican Americans have changed their names out of the belief that the names they were given at birth were “slave names.” An individual’s name change often coincides with a religious conversion (Muhammad Ali and Louis Farrakhan, for example) or involvement with the black nationalist movement (e.g., Amiri Baraka and Assata Shakur).<br /><br />Some organizations encourage African-Americans to abandon their “slave names.” The Nation of Islam is perhaps the best-known of them. In his book, Message to the Blackman in America, Nation of Islam leader Elijah Muhammad writes often of “slave names.” Some of his comments include:<br /><br />“You must remember that slave-names will keep you a slave in the eyes of the civilized world today. You have seen, and recently, that Africa and Asia will not honor you or give you any respect as long as you are called by the white man’s name.” <br />“You are still called by your slave-masters’ names. By rights, by international rights, you belong to the white man of America. He knows that. You have never gotten out of the shackles of slavery. You are still in them.”<br />Other organizations, such as the Black nationalist US Organization also advocate for African-Americans to change their “slave names.”<br /><br />Nevertheless, the overwhelming majority of African-Americans bear “slave names.”
I believe that was the enemy's concerted attempt to wipe out all recognition of who they were as a people. The Hebrew Israelites of the Old Testament. Could it be that there is some irony found in this crest. That Michael might be saying, though slavemasters sought to wipe our history and names from our knowledge, God can bypass all of that and give the true royalty their crest? He is saying he is the true descendant of David, not the British crown. Remember Michael's deep respect and sympathy for Princess Diana, caught in that whole affair of producing an heir. (True and counterfeit lines running parallel, leading to the ultimate joust.) JMO
<br />MJonmind<br />If you look at the Jackson family, tree on Joe's side of the family, you see where the name "Jackson" originates.<br /><br />The name "Jackson" is a a patronym, or patronymic, is a component of a personal name based on the name of one's father, grandfather or an even earlier male ancestor.<br />http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronymic<br /><br />"Jackson "literally means "Son of Jack"<br /><br /><br /><br />Great Great Grandfather - Native American - "Jack" July Gale (Here is where it comes from)<br />Great Great Grandmother - Slave - Gina - (No last name)<br />Great Grandfather - Unknown (I don't know why there is no information here)<br />Great Grandmother - Mattie Daniel<br /><br />Great Grandfather - "Nero" Israel Jackson - (The first time Jackson appears as a last name) <br />Great Grandmother - Emmaline Williams<br />Great Grandfather - Unknown<br />Great Grandmother - Unknown<br /><br />Grandfather - Samuel Jackson<br />Grandmother - Crystal Lee King<br /><br />Father - Joe Jackson<br />Mother - Katherine Scruse<br /><br />Michael Jackson<br /><br />Jack<br />Gender: Masculine<br />Usage: English<br />Derived from Jackin (earlier Jankin), a medieval diminutive of JOHN. It has long been regarded as an independent name. During the Middle Ages it was very common, and it became a slang word meaning "man".<br />http://http://www.behindthename.com/name/jack<br /><br />John<br />Gender: Masculine<br />Usage: English, Biblical<br />English form of Iohannes, the Latin form of the Greek name Ioannes, itself derived from the Hebrew name Yochanan meaning "YAHWEH is gracious" or "God is gracious". This name owes its popularity to two New Testament characters, both highly revered saints. The first was John the Baptist, a Jewish ascetic who was considered the forerunner of Jesus Christ. The second was the apostle John, who was also traditionally regarded as the author of the fourth Gospel and Revelation.<br />http://http://www.behindthename.com/name/john<br />http://http://babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com/meaning_of_Jack.html<br /><br />Jack<br />In English it is commonly used as the diminutive form of the name Jacob, though it is also often given as a proper name in its own right.<br />http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_(name)<br /><br />Jacob<br />Gender: Masculine<br />Usage: English, Dutch, Scandinavian, Biblical<br />From the Latin Iacobus, which was from the Greek Iakobos, which was from the Hebrew name Ya'aqov. In the Old Testament, Jacob (later called Israel) was the son of Isaac and Rebecca and the father of the twelve founders of the twelve tribes of Israel. He was born holding his twin brother Esau's heel, and his name is explained as meaning "holder of the heel" or "supplanter". Other theories claim that it is in fact derived from a hypothetical name like Ya'aqov'el meaning "may God protect".<br /><br />The English names Jacob and James derive from the same source, with James coming from Latin Iacomus, a later variant of Iacobus. Unlike English, many languages do not have separate spellings for the two names.<br /><br />In England, Jacob was mainly regarded as a Jewish name during the Middle Ages, though the variant James was used among Christians. Jacob came into general use as a Christian name after the Protestant Reformation.<br />http://http://www.behindthename.com/name/jacob<br />http://http://babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com/meaning_of_Jacob.html<br /><br />James<br />Gender: Masculine<br />Usage:English, Biblical<br />English form of the Late Latin name Iacomus which was derived from Iakobos, the New Testament Greek form of the Hebrew name Ya'aqov (see JACOB). This was the name of two apostles in the New Testament. The first was Saint James the Greater, the apostle John's brother, who was beheaded under Herod Agrippa in the Book of Acts. The second was James the Lesser, son of Alphaeus. Another James (known as James the Just) is also mentioned in the Bible as being the brother of Jesus.<br />http://http://www.behindthename.com/name/james<br />http://http://babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com/meaning_of_James.html<br /><br />Michael's Crest, from the gates of Neverland, compared to Jackson Family Crests.<br /><br /><br /><br />It isn't the Jackson Family Crest.<br /><br />Michael's Crest, from the gates of Neverland, compared to the current Royal Family's Crest.<br /><br /><br /><br />They look very similar but there are significant differences too.<br />I can look at that if you would like, just let me know.
They look very similar but there are significant differences too.
I can look at that if you would like, just let me know.
Sorry to interrupt, but Serenity , if you have the time to spare, to do a comparison , it would probably be very helpful,for future discussions about this angle/question etc. , since I myself also have been planning as you prob. read, to post about this very question. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
My post keeps getting delayed,sorry, but I try to put it up soon, at Visions from Michael as promised.
My post or your comparison, if you do it.
Which ever one comes first, I suppose,depending on your time.
I myself have had no time to spare for such a look into. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> .
but , I believe , it would be good , if you can do it though?
Peace..
here is where you have missed somthing very important.The Bible says our King will be born of a virgin. Ok I'll break it down first AD stands for after death so its symbolic to say he is virgo. Or to put it, born unto a virgin. There is much more missing here there is an incredable link between most of these theories . I'v been working 25 years on this incredable "almost instinct" of joyous feelings, Michael is the light that guides us. If I can ever figure out how to post.
here is where you have missed somthing very important.The Bible says our King will be born of a virgin. Ok I'll break it down first AD stands for after death so its symbolic to say he is virgo. Or to put it, born unto a virgin. There is much more missing here there is an incredable link between most of these theories . I'v been working 25 years on this incredable "almost instinct" of joyous feelings, Michael is the light that guides us. If I can ever figure out how to post.
Why send this to me in a PM and post it here?
I didn't miss that part at all. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I have already mentioned the Zodiac in this and several threads on the forum.
If you have something to share then do so.
If you have been studying this for 25 years then what have you discovered?
Your post hasn't actually hasn't added anything to this investigation or discussion.
I do look forward to a further elaboration, from you, if you are so inclined.
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Thanks for the spoon feeding <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Are we being lead to Ethiopia?
Smoking Gun - Something that serves as indisputable evidence or proof
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/smoking+gun
Sade means "Ray of Light"
http://www.behindthename.com/name/sa12de
Anding- an administrative subdivision of the province of Gansu in China.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anding
Gansu - a province located in the northwest of the People's Republic of China. It lies between the Tibetan and Huangtu plateaus, and borders Mongolia, Inner Mongolia, and Ningxia to the north, Xinjiang and Qinghai to the west, Sichuan to the south, and Shaanxi to the east. The Yellow River passes through the southern part of the province. The capital is Lanzhou, located in the southeast part of the province.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gansu
The Yellow River - is the second-longest river in China and the seventh longest in the world. Sometimes the Yellow River is poetically called the "Muddy Flow" . The Chinese idiom "when the Yellow River flows clear" is used to refer to an event that will never happen and is similar to the English expression "when pigs fly". Its Tibetan name is "River of the Peacock".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_River
Yesterday, in the thread about Murray's bow tie, a member suggested that the circles on the tie resembled those on a peacock feather.
Bingling Temple &Thousand Buddha Caves
Binglingsi Grottoes is located on the Small Jishi Hill, about 35 kilometers (about 22 miles) south-west of Yongjing County in Lanzhou City, Gansu Province. It is a series of grottoes filled with Buddhist sculpture carved into natural caves and caverns in a canyon along the Yellow River. It lies just north of where the Yellow River empties into the Liujiaxia Reservoir created by the Liujiaxia Dam at Yongjing, about 80km from Lanzhou.
http://yeschinatour.com/china-guides/china-attractions/binglingsi-grottoes-lanzhou/
From the Video for "Scream"
Buddha
‘Buddha’ means ‘Awakened One’, someone who has awakened from the sleep of ignorance and sees things as they really are. A Buddha is a person who is completely free from all faults and mental obstructions.
http://www.aboutbuddha.org/english/who-is-buddha.htm/
Parallels between Buddha and Jesus
Numerous scholars have made parallels between Buddha and Jesus. According to Jerry Bentley, they "have often considered the possibility that Buddhism influenced the early development of Christianity. They have drawn attention to many parallels concerning the births, lives, doctrines, and deaths of the Buddha and Jesus"
More at the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallels_between_Buddha_and_Jesus
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Sade - Soldier Of Love lyrics
I've lost the use of my heart
But I'm still alive
Still looking for the life
The endless pool on the other side
It's a wild wild west
I'm doing my best
I'm at the borderline of my faith,
I'm at the hinterland of my devotion
In the frontline of this battle of mine
But I'm still alive
I'm a soldier of love.
Every day and night
I'm soldier of love
All the days of my life
I've been torn up inside (oh!)
I've been left behind (oh!)
So I ride
I have the will to survive
In the wild wild west,
Trying my hardest
Doing my best
To stay alive
I am love's soldier!
I wait for the sound
(oooh oohhh)
I know that love will come (that love will come)
Turn it all around
I'm a soldier of love (soldier of love)
Every day and night
http://www.directlyrics.com/sade-soldier-of-love-lyrics.html
I just wanted to add the symbolism of the peacock to this.
Peacock Symbolism
The peacock is a possessor of some of the most admired human characteristics, and is a symbol of integrity and the beauty we can achieve when we endeavor to show our true colors.
In history, myth, legend and lore, the Peacock symbolism carries portents of: Nobility, Holiness, Guidance, Protection and Watchfulness.
Here is a keyword quick-list of peacock symbolism:
* Glory
* Vision
* Royalty
* Spirituality
* Awakening
* Immortality
* Refinement
* Incorruptibility
In Greco-Roman mythology the Peacock is identified with Hera (Juno) who created the Peacock from Argus whose hundred eyes (seen on the tail feathers of the Peacock) symbolize the vault of heaven and the “eyes” of the stars.
In Hinduism the Peacock is associated with Lakshmi who is a deity representing benevolence, patience, kindness, compassion and good luck.
Similar to Lakshmi, the Peacock is associated with Kwan-yin in Asian spirituality. Kwan-yin (or Quan Yin) is also an emblem of love, compassionate watchfulness, good-will, nurturing, and kind-heartedness. Legend tells us she chose to remain a mortal even though she could be immortal because she wished to stay behind and aid humanity in their spiritual evolution.
In Babylonia and Persia the Peacock is seen as a guardian to royalty, and is often seen in engravings upon the thrones of royalty.
In Christianity the Peacock symbolism represents the “all-seeing” church, along with the holiness and sanctity associated with it. Additionally, the Peacock represents resurrection, renewal and immortality within the spiritual teachings of Christianity.
Themes of renewal are also linked to alchemical traditions to, as many schools of thought compare the resurrecting phoenix to the modern-day Peacock.
http://www.whats-your-sign.com/peacock-symbolism.html
http://www.firefighternation.com/forum/topics/michael-jackson-neverland
Pan (god)
Pan in Greek religion and mythology, is the god of shepherds and flocks, of mountain wilds, hunting and rustic music, as well as the companion of the nymphs. His name originates within the Greek language, from the word paein, meaning "to pasture." He has the hindquarters, legs, and horns of a goat, in the same manner as a faun or satyr. With his homeland in rustic Arcadia, he is recognized as the god of fields, groves, and wooded glens; because of this, Pan is connected to fertility and the season of spring. The ancient Greeks also considered Pan to be the god of theatrical criticism.
One of the famous myths of Pan involves the origin of his pan flute, fashioned from lengths of hollow reed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_%28god%29
Green Man
Represents such figures as Jesus, Osiris, Pan, Dionysus (also known as Bacchus), Robin Hood, and a modern version is Peter Pan who emerges from Neverland clothed in Green leaves.
Green man is a symbol of rebirth and resurrection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Man
"We Are The World" remake
It is from this hieroglyph that the French "fleur de lis" [fig.16] traces its origin. The "fleur de lis" represents the Tree of Life.
The glyph which denotes the sacred knowledge associated with Hu is also formed by the three stems of the three sacred lotus lilies. The Osiris Crown can be similarly considered in these terms.
Following the role model of Osiris, in 1346 AD Edward the Black Prince won three feathers at Crecy which he adopted as his emblem. If the three feathers are gathered at the stems a 'fleur de lis' is created. [fig.17]
But Edward was not the first. Crusaders introduced lilies into European Christian art; because of its association with the Crusaders, the lily came to stand for chivalry, and the French nobility adopted the fleur-de-lis as its symbol. The motif was first used by King Philip I (1052-1108) of France in the 11th century. The 'Lilies' are said not to have appeared in the French arms until the time of Philip Augustus (1165-1223). In Christian symbolism, the fleur-de-lis is used as a symbol of the Holy Trinity and as an ensign of the Virgin Mary, mimicking the rose.
http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/masonic-apron-rosette.html
It has been reported that Michael supposedly referred to Propofol as "Milk". Besides Propofol being white in colour and referred to as milk by medical professionals, could there be another reason?
The following bible passage speaks of how we are fed by God on spiritual milk, like babies, until we have matured enough to accept the "meat" of the message. This passage also addresses division amongst believers.
http://www.christnotes.org/commentary.php?b=46&c=3&com=wes
1 Corinthians 3:1-3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20corinthians%203:1-3&version=KJV
And what is Propofol? An anesthetic.
What was Michael supposedly using this anesthetic for? To go to sleep.
The following bible passage is referencing Resurrection.
http://biblecommenter.com/1_thessalonians/4-14.htm
1 Thessalonians 4:14
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thessalonians%204:14&version=KJV
But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
~ Luke 6:27-31
Thank you for your great research, Serenity. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
My post is in response to your sarcastic/ironic posts and has nothing to do with propofol, religion or Michael and is therefore quite appropriate.
Sarcasm - A sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter jibe or taunt. Sarcasm has been identified as a possible bullying action. In sarcasm, ridicule or mockery is used harshly, often crudely and contemptuously, for destructive purposes. It may be used in an indirect manner, and have the form of irony, as in “What a fine musician you turned out to be!” or it may be used in the form of a direct statement, “You couldn't play one piece correctly if you had two assistants.” Hostile, critical comments may be expressed in an ironic way, such as saying "don't work too hard" to a lazy worker. The use of irony introduces an element of humour which may make the criticism seem more polite and less aggressive.
Please stop hijacking this thread with all this negativity.
Sorry to interrupt, but Serenity , if you have the time to spare, to do a comparison , it would probably be very helpful,for future discussions about this angle/question etc. , since I myself also have been planning as you prob. read, to post about this very question. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
My post keeps getting delayed,sorry, but I try to put it up soon, at Visions from Michael as promised.
My post or your comparison, if you do it.
Which ever one comes first, I suppose,depending on your time.
I myself have had no time to spare for such a look into. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> .
but , I believe , it would be good , if you can do it though?
Peace..
I didn't miss that part at all. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I have already mentioned the Zodiac in this and several threads on the forum.
If you have something to share then do so.
If you have been studying this for 25 years then what have you discovered?
Your post hasn't actually hasn't added anything to this investigation or discussion.
I do look forward to a further elaboration, from you, if you are so inclined.