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I don't know if you already knew this. Like I said I haven't watched Oprah. I have a very hard time to believe that Michael would taunt LMP that he would have babies with Debbie Rowe. I guess this was a untrustworthy relationship. Michael did not trusl LMP and LMP did not trust Michael.
Lisa Marie Presley and Michael Jackson's 18-month marriage in the mid-1990s started to crumble when the King of Pop told her his friend Debbie Rowe had offered to have children with him..
Presley hurt by Rowe baby taunts
Enlarge photo .The rocker admits she was far from shocked when her then-ex announced his new wife Rowe was carrying his first child months after he divorced Presley - because he used to taunt her with the idea while they were married.
In a revealing TV interview with Oprah Winfrey, Presley says, "I knew it was a bit of a retaliatory act on his part because I didn't have a baby and I know that she was there the whole time telling him she would do it. He would tell me... 'If you're not gonna do it, Debbie says she'll do it.'
"I was like, 'What is that? Not gonna entice me,' so we would get into arguments because that really wasn't how to handle it - but that's how he knew how to handle it."
And Presley admits those arguments were the beginning of the end for the marriage: "I understand him so well now but, at that time, I was hurt and I did things that hurt him."
She reveals that her closeness with her former husband Danny Keogh, who she had two children with, was a big issue for Jackson.
Presley explains, "I was very torn because I broke up my family and I left my husband for Michael... While I was with Michael I was still trying to process what I had done... I felt, 'How could I have done that to somebody...?'
"Danny was still very much part of my life and Michael didn't know what to do with that sometimes and that made him uncomfortable. I would take a vacation and Danny would go and Michael would get upset.. and then he would disappear for a couple of weeks and I couldn't find him.
"We hit rough waters and we would argue - three-day arguments sometimes, taking a break to eat and sleep. I'd have to say that I really admire that he really gave it (our marriage) a good shot. I didn't appreciate it then and I wish I did."
I don't know if you already knew this. Like I said I haven't watched Oprah. I have a very hard time to believe that Michael would taunt LMP that he would have babies with Debbie Rowe. I guess this was a untrustworthy relationship. Michael did not trusl LMP and LMP did not trust Michael.
Lisa Marie Presley and Michael Jackson's 18-month marriage in the mid-1990s started to crumble when the King of Pop told her his friend Debbie Rowe had offered to have children with him..
Presley hurt by Rowe baby taunts
Enlarge photo .The rocker admits she was far from shocked when her then-ex announced his new wife Rowe was carrying his first child months after he divorced Presley - because he used to taunt her with the idea while they were married.
In a revealing TV interview with Oprah Winfrey, Presley says, "I knew it was a bit of a retaliatory act on his part because I didn't have a baby and I know that she was there the whole time telling him she would do it. He would tell me... 'If you're not gonna do it, Debbie says she'll do it.'
"I was like, 'What is that? Not gonna entice me,' so we would get into arguments because that really wasn't how to handle it - but that's how he knew how to handle it."
And Presley admits those arguments were the beginning of the end for the marriage: "I understand him so well now but, at that time, I was hurt and I did things that hurt him."
She reveals that her closeness with her former husband Danny Keogh, who she had two children with, was a big issue for Jackson.
Presley explains, "I was very torn because I broke up my family and I left my husband for Michael... While I was with Michael I was still trying to process what I had done... I felt, 'How could I have done that to somebody...?'
"Danny was still very much part of my life and Michael didn't know what to do with that sometimes and that made him uncomfortable. I would take a vacation and Danny would go and Michael would get upset.. and then he would disappear for a couple of weeks and I couldn't find him.
"We hit rough waters and we would argue - three-day arguments sometimes, taking a break to eat and sleep. I'd have to say that I really admire that he really gave it (our marriage) a good shot. I didn't appreciate it then and I wish I did."
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LMP was (stills is?) with the scientology church. Maybe she wanted him to join it as well, before she would have his baby and he refused.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."I agree with you. He is a smart man, he did right now to join.
I seriously doubt that. If that were the case, she would've said that. With LM, you just never know I mean she knew that he wanted children BEFORE she'd married him. Why marry him if you knew that you weren't interested in having children with him, nor completely over your ex? I followed this "marriage" as it ran its course, LMP and her mother are opportunists who are always looking for relevancy. Pricilla (sp) was NEVER happy about their union and even once insinuated that MJ actually wanted something from her other than love. Also, she made a mockery of their marriage when she talked about it, and she never took a stand in his favor during the trial. I wasn't impressed wit her interview, and I certainly didn't believe much of what she'd said. She simply looked as if she's inundated with guilt because he's "gone" and she took the experience with him for granted.
You mean that if that were the case, she would have said that on Oprah..? Like: "I told him I would have his baby if he would join the scientology church"? Nah...
Especially because she knew upfront that Mike wanted children so badly, this would have been the perfect emotional blackmail to lure him into the scientology church. I think the scientology church would have been highly interested in having Michael Jackson, because that would have meant loads and loads of new members as his fans would have followed him there.
If it's true that he told her "If you're not gonna do it, Debbie says she'll do it" then I would fully understand that. That was a way to have children without getting involved with the scientology church. Mike is not an idiot, he knows very well that once you're involved with the scientology church there's no way out.
Emotionally blackmailing him to not have his baby unless he would join the scientology church sounds highly plausible.
Money is power.
Not LOVE!
Chappie
Ok, but how would she benefit from converting him? I know NOTHING about Scientology, is there a conversion ratio? She has been described as selfish and seems to care about how she comes across as well as her cred. I was thinking more along the lines of "He and I were in 2 totally different places. I belong to the church and he didn't. Having a child would've made matters more complex..." This is a difficult debate because we weren't there. MJ touched on it briefly with the Rabbi.
Since you said you know nothing about the scientology church I suggest you start doing some research. Here's a good post from Im_convincedmjalive to start with:
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ideally the thought behind converting someone would be that you want them to have this same thing that you have found because it is good and you believe it is the way to go.but when it is a cult the top dog is the one who benefits financially.
she did also suggest that she hesitated because she did not want to go toe to toe with him in a custody battle if it came down to it.
For one she WAS prepared to give him children but she wanted to make sure that the marriage was sound first..She wanted to make sure that she and Michael were on the same wave length and that clearly wasn't happening. She also mentioned that she did not want to go up against Michael in a custody battle and I can understand that.
I like Lisa very much and I always have..She is honest and tells it like it is..Debbie Rowe is also the same..I think Michael must have found that kind of quality attractive in women. Both of his wives are strong gutsy ladies and I admire them both.
Lisa did lash out in the past in various interviews about Michael but it is obvious why...She was angry and hurt.
She admitted that and she regrets it and she is sorry.
You have to remember that when someone is operating at that level of celebrity like Michael and even Elvis Presley was it is sometimes too easy to lose touch with reality and the real world..And Michael had no idea about living in the real world as the 'Superstar' title had come to him at a very young age..Like Elvis, Michael had people at his beck and call and as Lisa rightly said it was either HIS WAY or the highway.
He probably did taunt her about Debbie and how she was willing to have his child..Lisa probably felt pressured. The thing is that we don't know how hard Michael was to live with..Lisa has admitted to being stubborn herself.
I don't think either of them had hidden agendas..I don't think Lisa wanted Michael to join Scientology and I don't believe that Michael wanted the Elvis catalogue either..I think they did love each other very much but it just went wrong..
I hope this does not offend anyone because that was not the intent, just stating how I feel about this.
Love and Blessings
Though I'm not an MJ fan I do want to reply to your post.
I personally do not have an opinion about Lisa Marie. I just observe, read, listen and watch. I don't know if she's telling the truth and only if you're a personal friend of her then you would know if she is indeed honest.
You wrote "For one she WAS prepared to give him children but she wanted to make sure that the marriage was sound first.", but we do not know for a fact if that was her actual 'condition'.
Her being with the scientology church shines a different light on the whole issue. Scientology church brainwashes people and therefor their members are under some sort of mind control. If you are familiar with mind control then you know that people who are under mind control do things they would not have done without being mind controlled. Therefor MJ joining the scientology church before she would have his baby could have been a realistic 'condition', even if she loved him.
In case this indeed would have been Lisa Marie's 'condition' for having children with Mike and she set that condition due to being mind controlled, then I'd say she can't be held accountable for it.
I don't know if they loved each other, it's non of my business and therefor I won't even go into that.
I agree with you. She already had children. She knew how upset her children were when she split from her first husband for MJ and she did not want to put another child or children through that again, she was mature and level-headed enough to make that decision. Michael on the other hand wanted to have a child with her and maybe more children. I think he said he wanted a big family. Maybe that just wasn't in the cards for LMP. We can't judge someone's actions based on what the media says. There may have been more to it. It is obvious that LM saw more about the day to day life with Michael that she wanted to make sure that it was the right decision. Eighteen months is not a long time to get to know someone especially making an important decision as to having a baby with them. We see that situation all the time in mainstream America - people having kids and then splitting up...etc. I think she truly had feelings for him and vice versa. We need to let them both heal. Isn't this all about LOVE, Healing, Compassion and Peace??
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she is still with the scientology church.
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i also did not belive much of the inteview i don't think she loved michael and i think it was pricilla tat got her to go wit him for the church.I was reading Hello Magazien and they had interveiw with LMP it was a week after mikes 'death' she said she cried so so so hard i just can't belive tat she didn't love him when they were together y only when he 'dies' she loves him to bits
I always say it takes 2 to tango. They were both at fault. Nobody mellow out and so this what happens. But I also know about scientology, once you have a child both parents have to be in the same sciencetology church. This is what Michael did not want to do.
Blessings
I posted loooooong ago a warning info about that cult as well, but I believe it was at the other forum (and here also?) and, as well, went unnoticed.
That sect seems to be very powerful and having famous people as role models is not a good sign. Some people looks up at them and follow the example.
It was said that MJ joined scientology, but I never found any proof about it. It were just rumors.
If LMP broke free from it, I am very happy for her.
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i agree scientology is very very very dangerous.I would be very happy for her if she broke free from it but unfortanly shes still part of it <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
2nd that. You know sometimes things are just as simple as that (or as complicated as in this case) with no need for further questioning in order to have things to speculate about, even in the case of MJ and LMP.