26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
just out of curiosity i know the other day there was talk of this being gone. has anyone checked it today? since he brought it up <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
"Jesus condemned the Pharisees by their love of money, but the lack of mercy to the poor".
Serenitys_Dream if it can be the message is not reaching all
Many of us spend our lives as the parable, rich man thinking only the satisfaction of our human and bodily appetites, thinking of our own happiness; forgetting our fellow, forgetting us us which does not have a snack, which has no clothes that cover, which has no words or with whom talk, forgetting us of the hopeless, which have no voice, forgetting we rejected by society by churches or Nations, forgetting we rejected by thinking or be different, social, physically or sexually. Forgetting we rejected for being gay or lesbian youth, forgetting the single mother struggling to put food on the table and take forward their children and father trying to survive with his family, and the grandmother looking for affection, love and understanding in their old age; forgetting us all beings in our around that need our love. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Human beings have failed to be reflection and image of God; We have failed to live and share in we become messengers and representatives of the word of love, forgiveness, healing, renewal and equality. This bug has created a huge gap of inequality among us. Created wars nation against nation, and people against people, brother against brother and neighbor against neighbor. <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->
I think most people will believe Mike when he comes back. Many people are opposing TS because he's just a screen name, despite the evidence he presents. Many fans also think he is not representing Mike, and therefore probably don't read all the evidence provided. If they hear if from Mike himself, they have no choice than to admit that TS indeed is carying out MJ's message. Sad, but that's how it works with most people.
I believe that some people are just not very comfortable with anyone representing Michael.
Bow, Cassandra, Leachims 1 to 7, Mike clones, and whoever more can be on the net, as insiders, informers, Maura etc..... have contributed actively for people not to trust anyone who comes with "this is Michael´s message".
My opinion is that MJ must start internationally leading the army asap <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
@Serenity,
Thanks for posting an alternative interpretation.
Michael and TS, I believe, are masters at knowing, and using Scriptures for their own purposes. So atheists, have no fear that MJ or TS are trying to convert you. I personally believe the Bible is in complex layers, numerology included. This Bible passage is THE number one proof that Christians use to prove that there is a hell of torturing flames awaiting the vast majority of people including almost all of you here, I am so sorry to have to tell you <!-- s --><!-- s -->. Okay that's the bad news, the good news is Jesus was telling a parable. Now Jesus was a galling, cheeky, sarcastic, shoot from the hip kinda guy. This parable was a scathing attack at the religious leaders and pharisees, because they thought they were the sure ones to get into heaven or paradise, because of their high position and Kabbalah knowledge of Torah and Talmud, man-made traditions and interpretations. It is riddled with cheeky sarcasm at them. This is a lengthy article if you want to persue this further. Bottom line is--there is NO hell of flames. Here is one article that closely dissects the words.
IMO I think TS is simply saying that few will change their mind even if Michael should come back from the "dead". There is a huge gap between 'beLIEvers' and non-beLIEvers and it is difficult for them to cross over; a huge gap between those who gullibly trust the media and those who question everything and look deeper. Moses and the prophets might be all the discussion on the internet exposing what is happening around us, the double-speak and false telling of history, etc. So be prepared that even if Michael should come back, that will not shake up the general feelings of people. Even Jesus in this parable gave no solution why the idea that even He himself dying and rising from the dead (which he does later) will not persuade people to change their ways and repent. That's because it is God who is fully sovereign and in control, and the drama will unfold as He chooses according to His time-table. People BELIEVE when God opens their eyes, take away the veil, and gives them faith, not a moment before. It is pre-determined. So smile, you are all on candid camera--somewhere! <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> JMO
Michael and TS, I believe, are masters at knowing, and using Scriptures for their own purposes. So atheists, have no fear that MJ or TS are trying to convert you. I personally believe the Bible is in complex layers, numerology included. This Bible passage is THE number one proof that Christians use to prove that there is a hell of torturing flames awaiting the vast majority of people including almost all of you here, I am so sorry to have to tell you <!-- s --><!-- s -->. Okay that's the bad news, the good news is Jesus was telling a parable. Now Jesus was a galling, cheeky, sarcastic, shoot from the hip kinda guy. This parable was a scathing attack at the religious leaders and pharisees, because they thought they were the sure ones to get into heaven or paradise, because of their high position and Kabbalah knowledge of Torah and Talmud, man-made traditions and interpretations. It is riddled with cheeky sarcasm at them. This is a lengthy article if you want to persue this further. Bottom line is--there is NO hell of flames. Here is one article that closely dissects the words.
IMO I think TS is simply saying that few will change their mind even if Michael should come back from the "dead". There is a huge gap between 'beLIEvers' and non-beLIEvers and it is difficult for them to cross over; a huge gap between those who gullibly trust the media and those who question everything and look deeper. Moses and the prophets might be all the discussion on the internet exposing what is happening around us, the double-speak and false telling of history, etc. So be prepared that even if Michael should come back, that will not shake up the general feelings of people. Even Jesus in this parable gave no solution why the idea that even He himself dying and rising from the dead (which he does later) will not persuade people to change their ways and repent. That's because it is God who is fully sovereign and in control, and the drama will unfold as He chooses according to His time-table. People BELIEVE when God opens their eyes, take away the veil, and gives them faith, not a moment before. It is pre-determined. So smile, you are all on candid camera--somewhere! <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> JMO
Loving the last line <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
So smile, you are all on candid camera--somewhere!
Well my interpretation in reading this, in a very simplified way, they are talking about a man who goes to heaven and one who goes to hell. It is stated that the space between heaven in hell is a huge chasm... one that no one could cross even if you wanted to.
The man in hell begs that God send someone to warn his family... to warn them of their ways so that they will not end up in hell like him. He believes that if God would resurrect someone from the dead to send this message that his family would surely listen.
But the point is made that if they are not willing to listen to those who prophesized about this, those who have already warned them of their ways, then they will not listen to one who has risen from the dead either.
Many thoughts run through my head on this one...
Is TS likening himself to a prophet in a sense, telling us about the end of the world, redirecting us to the Bible, etc. and we are not listening and according to this, we wouldn't listen even if MJ himself came back from the "dead" and told us the same thing?
Is MJ likening himself to a prophet and has been telling us things through his songs and we have not been listening and we still would not listen even if this is all proven to be a hoax?
Has MJ truly been enlightened to something and made very aware of the spiritual battle going on and where we are unknowingly heading and had "died" and we are like the family and he is wanting to comeback to tell us but doesn't know if we would even listen if someone was to comeback from the "dead" to tell us?
Is the comeback not even MJ but maybe Elvis coming back to warn us?
Ok I CLEARLY NEED SLEEP! Help me out guys.... I need your rational thoughts here! <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
What a profound scripture. Lilwendy, I was totally with you until the Elvis part but who knows? I hope that if MJ is concerned about who will listen he will know that he must step out on faith **if God has called him to do so.*** If he feels called is a very important consideration. If not, well...
"He who has ears, let him hear" Or, from a Paul Laurence Dunbar poem, "...don't worry 'bout the mule being blind, just load the wagon and pull on the line. for them that's going, get on the wagon, and them that ain't, get out the damn way."
Sometimes you must step out on faith and allow God to speak through you, which MJ has much experience doing.
Did anyone ever see that series, Carnival on HBO or Showtime?
A major point that I find in this is that once again, we are being reminded of the importance of TIMING in all this....If Michael comes back too soon, yes, maybe the Believers will be overjoyed, but at what cost? If the Non-Believers outnumber the Believers even at 2-1, there will still be so much work to be done to convince them that it really is Michael and that he had a very good reason to do it...and at this point, to say this was the actual ratio would be ludicrous!....it's more like 200-1 or 2000-1, if that!....I think if you believe, you must quietly, effectively and unwaveringly promote the idea that Michael Jackson is quite possibly still alive...the seed must be planted...the idea has to stop sounding crazy....the SIMMERING is not complete...PATIENCE is needed so "the effect will be greater"...
and the best way to accomplish this, in my opinion? It's so obvious! Make That Change in your life...the one that Changes Your Ways...people will stop and take notice...they will ask why....and you will tell them in two simple words:
Michael and TS, I believe, are masters at knowing, and using Scriptures for their own purposes. So atheists, have no fear that MJ or TS are trying to convert you. I personally believe the Bible is in complex layers, numerology included. This Bible passage is THE number one proof that Christians use to prove that there is a hell of torturing flames awaiting the vast majority of people including almost all of you here, I am so sorry to have to tell you <!-- s --><!-- s -->. Okay that's the bad news, the good news is Jesus was telling a parable. Now Jesus was a galling, cheeky, sarcastic, shoot from the hip kinda guy. This parable was a scathing attack at the religious leaders and pharisees, because they thought they were the sure ones to get into heaven or paradise, because of their high position and Kabbalah knowledge of Torah and Talmud, man-made traditions and interpretations. It is riddled with cheeky sarcasm at them. This is a lengthy article if you want to persue this further. Bottom line is--there is NO hell of flames. Here is one article that closely dissects the words.
IMO I think TS is simply saying that few will change their mind even if Michael should come back from the "dead". There is a huge gap between 'beLIEvers' and non-beLIEvers and it is difficult for them to cross over; a huge gap between those who gullibly trust the media and those who question everything and look deeper. Moses and the prophets might be all the discussion on the internet exposing what is happening around us, the double-speak and false telling of history, etc. So be prepared that even if Michael should come back, that will not shake up the general feelings of people. Even Jesus in this parable gave no solution why the idea that even He himself dying and rising from the dead (which he does later) will not persuade people to change their ways and repent. That's because it is God who is fully sovereign and in control, and the drama will unfold as He chooses according to His time-table. People BELIEVE when God opens their eyes, take away the veil, and gives them faith, not a moment before. It is pre-determined. So smile, you are all on candid camera--somewhere! <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> JMO
Amen, MJonmind. Amen. I read you loud and clear. Very well said. And thanks for the analysis. I shall read it. Jesus changed my life. Michael changed my life. One life is worth changing. My soul is saved. Michael will change millions even though not all. All you can do is say, "I left some part of this life better than I found it."
He can only do his best. What is he best to be? God is the best knower.
I can understand it somehow, sorry if I am an ignorant:
26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that would pass from Which They Henci To You cannot; Neither Can They pass to us, That would come from thence.
This means that between Michael / TS and us fans, there is still a large distance (delay the return of Michael)... We can not go along with Michael and not so little he comes to find us (sadly) ...
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28For I have five brethren; That May he testify unto Them, They Also lest come into this place of torment.
Michael actually has five siblings ... deconfiamos that Randy might be TS and others can always give us some tips for getting us rid of the torment of doubt??
Saith unto him 29Abraham, They Have Moses and the prophets, let's hear Them Them.
We must listen TS and Michael, because we have them.
31And he said unto him, If They hear not Moses and the prophets, Neither Will They Be Persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Perhaps this means: if we fail to understand the message and believe in TS, a return not help, because even though Michael return and explain the whole situation yet, we do will not believe in him and his message??
This means that we have for Michael closed mind?? Maybe.... <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: -->
I think we shouldn't try to understand what the Bible wants to say directly. Because TS' intention is not to teach us the Bible or Christianity. He uses Bible metaphorically to explain the situation we're having in the hoax. TS already wrote that many people will not even believe he is really Michael himself after he comes back. He intensifies the things he wrote and explained by using Bible. The question I had after reading this redirect is; Did Michael change his mind about the return because he thinks that many people will not believe that it's really him even after he comes back? I hope this is not true because I do believe MOST of the fans will believe if they see him in flesh and bone and the rest will believe in time.
Hoax related I understand that there is a gap between beLIEvers and non- beLIEvers that cannot be overcome and that even Michael's return will not convince some of them because they have already rejected TS' message. Maybe that it is not more necessary to delay the BAM?
Hoax related I understand that there is a gap between beLIEvers and non- beLIEvers that cannot be overcome and that even Michael's return will not convince some of them because they have already rejected TS' message. Maybe that it is not more necessary to delay the BAM?
Hmmm, that's another way to look at it... I am a bit in the dark on this redirect, I have no idea what TS means with this. Will the BAM be delayed, is he thinking of not bamming at all because he is afraid people won't believe him, or is it as you say? I really don't have a clue.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Hoax related I understand that there is a gap between beLIEvers and non- beLIEvers that cannot be overcome and that even Michael's return will not convince some of them because they have already rejected TS' message. Maybe that it is not more necessary to delay the BAM?
Hmmm, that's another way to look at it... I am a bit in the dark on this redirect, I have no idea what TS means with this. Will the BAM be delayed, is he thinking of not bamming at all because he is afraid people won't believe him, or is it as you say? I really don't have a clue.
I hope that this is it! <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> But yes like you I am not sure about the meaning of that redirect. I'm sure TS will 'tell' us more in the next one. I feel like something is about to happen... but I don't know what. I think that Michael will bam no matter what.
I get the redirect as "being already in hell" (earth, as MJ) and "being in heaven" (as dead MJ) will not make any difference. People won´t listen and the same mistakes will be happening.
Coming back would mean more hate. I don´t think that MJ feels secure or supported enough to BAM.
If he comes back and people doubt, here we are <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Every nose, ear, eyebrow, eye, hand, finger, hair growing, tooth, lip....has been disected to the exam.
Next re-direct, a pic of today´s look of MJ...... <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
My understanding now is that the BAM is tied to the hoax, one cannot go without the other. If there is no BAM, there is no Hoax for me. So the BAM will be, no matter what people say or think and we soldier of Love will be there for Michael no matter what. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Bam will also help the world to understand our "devotion" for MJ. He is unique and his loyal supporters and fans, as well <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
I get the redirect as "being already in hell" (earth, as MJ) and "being in heaven" (as dead MJ) will not make any difference. People won´t listen and the same mistakes will be happening.
Coming back would mean more hate. I don´t think that MJ feels secure or supported enough to BAM.
If he comes back and people doubt, here we are <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Every nose, ear, eyebrow, eye, hand, finger, hair growing, tooth, lip....has been disected to the exam.
Next re-direct, a pic of today´s look of MJ...... <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
The biggest problem not is "people do not believe it is Michael", but they can't to believe "in the real reason for which he had to choose the Hoax" and to turn your back on your message.
Many may say it was for money, especially since so many launches of books, CDs, DVDs, movies and games.
I hope Michael has a plan to return in safety and get rid of censorship and defamation of people of media cruel and filthy.
I hope he is really getting ready, because I really want to watch it again ... will be one of the most amazing and joyful day of my life.
Bam will also help the world to understand our "devotion" for MJ. He is unique and his loyal supporters and fans, as well <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
I loooove that. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
AnaMarcia > people will have to believe (and listen to) Michael and us at the same time. Michael is not alone in all this. Don't worry. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
If AnaMarcia here the problem is us, this division of believers and nonbelievers, and in turn the division is in the believers with TS messages there are people who believe in them and others do not believe. Many people have not heard the message of Michael. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Hoax related I understand that there is a gap between beLIEvers and non- beLIEvers that cannot be overcome and that even Michael's return will not convince some of them because they have already rejected TS' message. Maybe that it is not more necessary to delay the BAM?
Hmmm, that's another way to look at it... I am a bit in the dark on this redirect, I have no idea what TS means with this. Will the BAM be delayed, is he thinking of not bamming at all because he is afraid people won't believe him, or is it as you say? I really don't have a clue.
I hope that this is it! <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> But yes like you I am not sure about the meaning of that redirect. I'm sure TS will 'tell' us more in the next one. I feel like something is about to happen... but I don't know what. I think that Michael will bam no matter what.
I hope so too. If it's one of the other options, then I don't know what else we can do. The majority in here supports his message and understands it. Some might still have some doubts because they don't fully understand TS' posts because they are long or they don't speak English very well, and some because they don't think this is Mike's message. Even though I can be harsh on fans sometimes, I know one thing for sure. When he comes back, every fan will support him in any way they can, doubters won't have doubts anymore and those who thought it is not his reason to hoax his death, will realize they have been wrong and already know where to catch up on reading. If he has doubts if he will get enough support from the fans, I think that won't be necessary. His fans love and adore him too much to let him down and they are with millions, if not billions. I also believe that all the money that has been made will be used for the good, I don't believe he is a material person and I am sure he will help those in need with it. That is why I will buy every album and every DVD that will be released.
Those who will oppose when he returns or even spread hate, never were fans or understood what he stands for anyway. You will always have people like that, some people won't even see truth when it slaps them in the face, but I still believe they are the minority. Everyone is feeling something is about to happen. Everyone I talk to say they have the feeling something is changing (without even mentioning the hoax or its purpose). I explained this whole story to a friend of mine who first thought I was nuts, and in the end he said: "Could Michael be the one that will change the world, or at least start the change, leading and guiding us into a new era?" He finally got what I meant, how big this is. That it is to make people wonder what was ever real in this world and to stand up for their rights and to bring back love in this world. He immediately stopped ridiculing this whole thing and was quiet for 5 minutes. Then he said: "I wholeheartedly hope you are right". My mission for that day was accomplished. People will understand, at least that is what I think when I look at the people around me. When I start talking about the subjects we discuss here (not MJ related), they all say they know about it and that something needs to be done, yet many also say that it's not affecting them yet (so they think) so they do not feel the urge yet to do something about it. For that we need a big wake-up call.
Sometimes I am so frustrated that we don't get the attention to the hoax we want to have, that I dreamed last night that I streaked at Wimbledon with a banner in my hand that said: "Michael Jackson is alive"...
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Sometimes I am so frustrated that we don't get the attention to the hoax we want to have, that I dreamed last night that I streaked at Wimbledon with a banner in my hand that said: "Michael Jackson is alive"..
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I feel like this redirect has us on a merry go round. My head is spinning! I am reading everyone's post and understand what you are all saying. So many different interesting points of view. I can easily fall to the dark side on this one and say none of this is real and this is all crazy. BUT, I am not!! We have believers and non believers.....how many non believers have come over to the believers side? I know for a fact there are many. We know we lost some believers, but were they really believers or people who thought this was a game and didn't want to work hard for the cause. You are always going to have people who agree and/or disagree. I BELIEVE that TS is showing us the way and I BELIEVE Michael is guiding TS. I admit, I am confused with this redirect like many of you. But I am sure TS will guide us through this with the next redirect. As for Michael returning now, later or never. We all know that all three are possible depending on his situation. When he comes back there will be people who won't care, think it's not him so on and so forth. Michael knows what he is up against. That's why we are here. I said it a long time ago in one of my original posts. We are in training. This job doesn't end when Michael comes back. (I really do think of it as a job). That's when he is going to need us the most, to help him with the negative energy out in the world. After all we are his Army of Love. So lets hang in there, this is just a little curve in the road of our journey. Maybe we need to take a fresh breath and simplify our thoughts. Take care everyone, Love to All
What a profound scripture. Lilwendy, I was totally with you until the Elvis part but who knows?
LOL that was more of a joke! <!-- s:-) -->:-)<!-- s:-) --> That was really to attempt to convey how my head was spinning with thoughts as I wrote it! LOL Sorry I should have said that.
LOL @Souza! I promised to shave my head if this isn't a hoax, so I might as well go streaking to prove to the world that this IS a hoax so that I can keep my hair <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
So if you decide to go streaking in real life let me know, friends don't let friends go streaking alone. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
LOL @Souza! I promised to shave my head if this isn't a hoax, so I might as well go streaking to prove to the world that this IS a hoax so that I can keep my hair <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
So if you decide to go streaking in real life let me know, friends don't let friends go streaking alone. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Actually this gave me an idea. How about making it for real? <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> We don't need to shave our heads lol How about meeting with the believers who live in your area and make and carry big banners that says Michael is alive and his death is a hoax kind of things? People already think that we're crazy. So what everyone else thinks we're crazy too? <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> Who cares? At least we can take the attention of people and probably the media too. We can wear masks if we don't want to show our faces.
Okay okay wearing my straight jacket on and getting back to my padded cell <!-- s --><!-- s -->
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just out of curiosity i know the other day there was talk of this being gone. has anyone checked it today? since he brought it up <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Serenitys_Dream if it can be the message is not reaching all
Many of us spend our lives as the parable, rich man thinking only the satisfaction of our human and bodily appetites, thinking of our own happiness; forgetting our fellow, forgetting us us which does not have a snack, which has no clothes that cover, which has no words or with whom talk, forgetting us of the hopeless, which have no voice, forgetting we rejected by society by churches or Nations, forgetting we rejected by thinking or be different, social, physically or sexually. Forgetting we rejected for being gay or lesbian youth, forgetting the single mother struggling to put food on the table and take forward their children and father trying to survive with his family, and the grandmother looking for affection, love and understanding in their old age; forgetting us all beings in our around that need our love. <!-- s
Human beings have failed to be reflection and image of God; We have failed to live and share in we become messengers and representatives of the word of love, forgiveness, healing, renewal and equality. This bug has created a huge gap of inequality among us. Created wars nation against nation, and people against people, brother against brother and neighbor against neighbor. <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->
I believe that some people are just not very comfortable with anyone representing Michael.
Bow, Cassandra, Leachims 1 to 7, Mike clones, and whoever more can be on the net, as insiders, informers, Maura etc..... have contributed actively for people not to trust anyone who comes with "this is Michael´s message".
My opinion is that MJ must start internationally leading the army asap <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
@Serenity,
Thanks for posting an alternative interpretation.
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IMO I think TS is simply saying that few will change their mind even if Michael should come back from the "dead". There is a huge gap between 'beLIEvers' and non-beLIEvers and it is difficult for them to cross over; a huge gap between those who gullibly trust the media and those who question everything and look deeper. Moses and the prophets might be all the discussion on the internet exposing what is happening around us, the double-speak and false telling of history, etc. So be prepared that even if Michael should come back, that will not shake up the general feelings of people. Even Jesus in this parable gave no solution why the idea that even He himself dying and rising from the dead (which he does later) will not persuade people to change their ways and repent. That's because it is God who is fully sovereign and in control, and the drama will unfold as He chooses according to His time-table. People BELIEVE when God opens their eyes, take away the veil, and gives them faith, not a moment before. It is pre-determined. So smile, you are all on candid camera--somewhere! <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s
Loving the last line <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
So smile, you are all on candid camera--somewhere!
What a profound scripture. Lilwendy, I was totally with you until the Elvis part but who knows? I hope that if MJ is concerned about who will listen he will know that he must step out on faith **if God has called him to do so.*** If he feels called is a very important consideration. If not, well...
"He who has ears, let him hear" Or, from a Paul Laurence Dunbar poem, "...don't worry 'bout the mule being blind, just load the wagon and pull on the line. for them that's going, get on the wagon, and them that ain't, get out the damn way."
Sometimes you must step out on faith and allow God to speak through you, which MJ has much experience doing.
Did anyone ever see that series, Carnival on HBO or Showtime?
In his own time.... I will be patient.
and the best way to accomplish this, in my opinion? It's so obvious! Make That Change in your life...the one that Changes Your Ways...people will stop and take notice...they will ask why....and you will tell them in two simple words:
MICHAEL JACKSON
Besides.....WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO LOSE?
Amen, MJonmind. Amen. I read you loud and clear. Very well said. And thanks for the analysis. I shall read it. Jesus changed my life. Michael changed my life. One life is worth changing. My soul is saved. Michael will change millions even though not all. All you can do is say, "I left some part of this life better than I found it."
He can only do his best. What is he best to be? God is the best knower.
26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that would pass from Which They Henci To You cannot; Neither Can They pass to us, That would come from thence.
This means that between Michael / TS and us fans, there is still a large distance (delay the return of Michael)... We can not go along with Michael and not so little he comes to find us (sadly) ...
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28For I have five brethren; That May he testify unto Them, They Also lest come into this place of torment.
Michael actually has five siblings ... deconfiamos that Randy might be TS and others can always give us some tips for getting us rid of the torment of doubt??
Saith unto him 29Abraham, They Have Moses and the prophets, let's hear Them Them.
We must listen TS and Michael, because we have them.
31And he said unto him, If They hear not Moses and the prophets, Neither Will They Be Persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Perhaps this means: if we fail to understand the message and believe in TS, a return not help, because even though Michael return and explain the whole situation yet, we do will not believe in him and his message??
This means that we have for Michael closed mind?? Maybe.... <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: -->
Hmmm, that's another way to look at it... I am a bit in the dark on this redirect, I have no idea what TS means with this. Will the BAM be delayed, is he thinking of not bamming at all because he is afraid people won't believe him, or is it as you say? I really don't have a clue.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."I hope that this is it! <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> But yes like you I am not sure about the meaning of that redirect. I'm sure TS will 'tell' us more in the next one. I feel like something is about to happen... but I don't know what. I think that Michael will bam no matter what.
Coming back would mean more hate. I don´t think that MJ feels secure or supported enough to BAM.
If he comes back and people doubt, here we are <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Every nose, ear, eyebrow, eye, hand, finger, hair growing, tooth, lip....has been disected to the exam.
Next re-direct, a pic of today´s look of MJ...... <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
The biggest problem not is "people do not believe it is Michael", but they can't to believe "in the real reason for which he had to choose the Hoax" and to turn your back on your message.
Many may say it was for money, especially since so many launches of books, CDs, DVDs, movies and games.
I hope Michael has a plan to return in safety and get rid of censorship and defamation of people of media cruel and filthy.
I hope he is really getting ready, because I really want to watch it again ... will be one of the most amazing and joyful day of my life.
Miss you, Michael!
AnaMarcia > people will have to believe (and listen to) Michael and us at the same time. Michael is not alone in all this. Don't worry. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I hope so too. If it's one of the other options, then I don't know what else we can do. The majority in here supports his message and understands it. Some might still have some doubts because they don't fully understand TS' posts because they are long or they don't speak English very well, and some because they don't think this is Mike's message. Even though I can be harsh on fans sometimes, I know one thing for sure. When he comes back, every fan will support him in any way they can, doubters won't have doubts anymore and those who thought it is not his reason to hoax his death, will realize they have been wrong and already know where to catch up on reading. If he has doubts if he will get enough support from the fans, I think that won't be necessary. His fans love and adore him too much to let him down and they are with millions, if not billions. I also believe that all the money that has been made will be used for the good, I don't believe he is a material person and I am sure he will help those in need with it. That is why I will buy every album and every DVD that will be released.
Those who will oppose when he returns or even spread hate, never were fans or understood what he stands for anyway. You will always have people like that, some people won't even see truth when it slaps them in the face, but I still believe they are the minority. Everyone is feeling something is about to happen. Everyone I talk to say they have the feeling something is changing (without even mentioning the hoax or its purpose). I explained this whole story to a friend of mine who first thought I was nuts, and in the end he said: "Could Michael be the one that will change the world, or at least start the change, leading and guiding us into a new era?" He finally got what I meant, how big this is. That it is to make people wonder what was ever real in this world and to stand up for their rights and to bring back love in this world. He immediately stopped ridiculing this whole thing and was quiet for 5 minutes. Then he said: "I wholeheartedly hope you are right". My mission for that day was accomplished. People will understand, at least that is what I think when I look at the people around me. When I start talking about the subjects we discuss here (not MJ related), they all say they know about it and that something needs to be done, yet many also say that it's not affecting them yet (so they think) so they do not feel the urge yet to do something about it. For that we need a big wake-up call.
Sometimes I am so frustrated that we don't get the attention to the hoax we want to have, that I dreamed last night that I streaked at Wimbledon with a banner in my hand that said: "Michael Jackson is alive"...
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."<!-- s
LOL that was more of a joke! <!-- s:-) -->:-)<!-- s:-) --> That was really to attempt to convey how my head was spinning with thoughts as I wrote it! LOL Sorry I should have said that.
So if you decide to go streaking in real life let me know, friends don't let friends go streaking alone. <!-- s
Actually this gave me an idea. How about making it for real? <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> We don't need to shave our heads lol How about meeting with the believers who live in your area and make and carry big banners that says Michael is alive and his death is a hoax kind of things? People already think that we're crazy. So what everyone else thinks we're crazy too? <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> Who cares? At least we can take the attention of people and probably the media too. We can wear masks if we don't want to show our faces.
Okay okay wearing my straight jacket on and getting back to my padded cell <!-- s