You guys make me laugh! So a couple of pics surface that appear to show MJ with alcohol and suddenly it makes him 'normal', a 'real man' and 'like everyone else'. Well, not 'everyone else' drinks alcohol - I, for one, don't. Does that make me weird? I sincerely hope you don't think so or that would show you to be very small minded. It makes absolutely no difference to anything whether he drank or not (unless it was to excess, as an addiction). I'm sure you all understand that, but please don't imply it proves he's 'normal'.
You are completely missing the point and its interesting how this causes arguments. I posted the photos, im not making a big statement.. its just about getting the truth out.
A lot of people out there do consider Michael to be some kind of angel.. not smoking, drinking, swearing, etc.. this kind of information that he did do those things actually helps when you look at the autopsy report. Thats why i posted.
Im not making an assertations to his way of life... but we have threads about the autopsy report and discussions about findings on that. This kind of information about his lifestyle (or possible lifestyle) can help when looking at such documents as the autopsy report.
This is the only reason i posted. I am thinking twice about sharing information in the future now.
ok no one has looked at ar for a while . was there something there to imply over indulgance of alcohol?
ok i think if there had been some connection in the ar it would not have gone unnoticed and would have been debated at the time.
dancing : didn't we go through a similar little bought a long time ago when a bounch of annonmous posters came out about how ran around on debbie with lisa on their wedding night and blah blah blah
seems you have some concerns about anybody not thinking he was a mans man ( and as i remember your are in the was party not is .
how does what you are saying affect what was seen in the autopsy report. was there anything to indicate a heavy drinker?
What is your problem> yes, i post the information i find in order to discuss it. Im trying to find out the truth. What do you want me to do... ignore what i find? Not talk it through with others so i can try and find out the truth??
There was a report inLondon that MJ was drunk and falling about the place after the O2 announcements.. most people denounced it saying MJ didnt touch alcohol.. but what if he did? What if he was drunk because he was unhappy? Who knows.. but im determined to uncover the truth. You can investigate my postings all you want. I hope it leads you to the truth and if you find it.. please let me know. Thats why i am here.
And, I really love that he's drinking straight from the bottle though... like a bogan.
You're the definition of class, Mike... <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Well, we are assuming there's alcohol in the containers...If he supposedly drank wine out of diet coke cans, what makes you think he wouldn't drink water out of a liquor bottle? (the reverse scenario)...notice too he's holding the cigarette but it is unlit (something a kid would do to look cool).
I'm not saying Michael was a saint, but I do think he tried to break his "goodie goodie" image from time to time.
Personally, these pictures look photoshopped to me...and aren't those ladies sitting on his lap midgets? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> (not passing judgement here, just inquiring)
He's a guy. He probably had sex as well, farted, burped, had dirty underwear every day, maybe even smoked pot once in a while (although I am not sure he is a smoker, I have always thought that pic with the sigarette was a little strange).
He had a wine cellar at Neverland and as far as I am concerned he likes white wine. I don't see why he shouldn't drink alcohol occasionally.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
OHHHH no! <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> all my delusions are shattered... <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
Next you'll tell me he's not a virgin!!! <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->
And that he wears makeup!! <!-- s --><!-- s -->
And that this isn't a double holding Frank Dileo's cigarette!! <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
my life is over... and I'm leaving the forum...
*makes a thread for me me me*
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(btw, I noticed Frank is normally holding a cigar - not cigarettes..)
I got this picture but see MIchael drinking alcohol is shocking,is giving a bad example for the fans. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
I saw on you tube boy 2 years old from indonesia smoking, the child knew to buy a pack and spark lighter. this reminded me of the photo of Mike smoking.
Anyway, all i see is empty bottle and "unused" cigaret. But now that Souza talked about farting and dirty underwear...that's worse than drinking and smoking <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
all my dreams are destroyed ...
I pray that noone has pictures of that too <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Anyway, all i see is empty bottle and "unused" cigaret. But now that Souza talked about farting and dirty underwear...that's worse than drinking and smoking <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
all my dreams are destroyed ...
I pray that noone has pictures of that too <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Mike was farting on that video that KAren Faye released... the one behind the scenes at Speed Demon. He farts as a joke. Sorry to dissullision you. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Anyway, all i see is empty bottle and "unused" cigaret. But now that Souza talked about farting and dirty underwear...that's worse than drinking and smoking <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
all my dreams are destroyed ...
I pray that noone has pictures of that too <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Mike was farting on that video that KAren Faye released... the one behind the scenes at Speed Demon. He farts as a joke. Sorry to dissullision you. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
you have to realise now that i'm gonna laugh about that for the rest of the day <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Anyway, all i see is empty bottle and "unused" cigaret. But now that Souza talked about farting and dirty underwear...that's worse than drinking and smoking <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
all my dreams are destroyed ...
I pray that noone has pictures of that too <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Mike was farting on that video that KAren Faye released... the one behind the scenes at Speed Demon. He farts as a joke. Sorry to dissullision you. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
you have to realise now that i'm gonna laugh about that for the rest of the day <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
<!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> He farts?? I'm sure it smelt sweeter than roses... <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s:twisted: -->:twisted:<!-- s:twisted: -->
OH MY GOD! Watch out guys, he might very well be human! Who ever expected that?? <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
OH MY GOD! Watch out guys, he might very well be human! Who ever expected that?? <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
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OH MY GOD! Watch out guys, he might very well be human! Who ever expected that?? <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
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looooooooooooooooooool
I think this is a huge break-through! What do y'all think? Should we look further into this?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
OH MY GOD! Watch out guys, he might very well be human! Who ever expected that?? <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
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looooooooooooooooooool
I think this is a huge break-through! What do y'all think? Should we look further into this?
NOOO!!!! Souza stop it!! <!-- s --><!-- s --> Immaculate conception!!!!! damnit!!
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Dang MJ is taking that bottle to the head in the first pic.lol I never seen that pic before. It looks like he's drinking a forty. I think people sometimes do forget that he was a human being and that he has done some grown up things in the past.
What is your problem> yes, i post the information i find in order to discuss it. Im trying to find out the truth. What do you want me to do... ignore what i find? Not talk it through with others so i can try and find out the truth??
There was a report inLondon that MJ was drunk and falling about the place after the O2 announcements.. most people denounced it saying MJ didnt touch alcohol.. but what if he did? What if he was drunk because he was unhappy? Who knows.. but im determined to uncover the truth. You can investigate my postings all you want. I hope it leads you to the truth and if you find it.. please let me know. Thats why i am here.
He's a guy. He probably had sex as well, farted, burped, had dirty underwear every day, maybe even smoked pot once in a while (although I am not sure he is a smoker, I have always thought that pic with the sigarette was a little strange).
He had a wine cellar at Neverland and as far as I am concerned he likes white wine. I don't see why he shouldn't drink alcohol occasionally.
that is a practical assumption .but what about autopsy connection? still don't have an answer . and if i remember correctly dancing doesn't think michael is alive or is at least on the fence.
There's nothing in the autopsy report (AR) to suggest that Michael was an alcoholic... And if one drinks now and then (occasionally) it's not gonna necessarily show up in an AR. Besides, I thought everyone here believes the AR to be fake! Regardless, even if Dancing believes it to be real, it's not linked to the fact that MJ drank now and then.
I've never seen MJ drunk, and I doubt he'd be falling over even if he were, because he always had bodyguards with him & an entire entourage. And in March 2009 he was in London with his kids and went to some plays & stuff... He didn't seem particularly unhappy at that time.
Dancing, I personally don't see the value in bringing up the fact that MJ had some booze once in a while. Any sane person knows that he's human (not God or a divine being) and is entitled to do adult stuff... And drinking is not a big deal in Europe, the way it is in the States. This is not a shocker, and it really doesn't matter whether MJ liked wine and/or marijuana and/or Playboy magazines (which I find quite retro and innocent, actually, in this era of Internet porn).
This sort of thing feels like you're trying to "bring him down a notch"... It's tabloidy. MJ being human doesn't detract from the fact that he was a GREAT human - one of the greatest ever. And it's not even a flaw or mistake to drink (responsibly).
This is about trying to find out the truth and looking at all the evidence.
If this has offended anyone, that wasnt the intention.... all i can say is that there is evidence out there that there was the "King of Pop" and then there was "Michael the man". <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
He's a guy. He probably had sex as well, farted, burped, had dirty underwear every day
No he didn´t <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> and he didn´t pick his nose either and all of those nasty human things <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> and don´t tell me he farted under the blankets and got his girlfriend under to smell it <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> and he never peed outside the toilet bowl, in fact, he does not pee <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: -->
No he didn´t <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> and he didn´t pick his nose either and all of those nasty human things <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> and don´t tell me he farted under the blankets and got his girlfriend under to smell it <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> and he never peed outside the toilet bowl, in fact, he does not pee <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: -->
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@Gema: Hee hee. Well, maybe he "peed" but it was liquid gold, not urine. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Reminds me of this poem:
Ego Tripping (there may be a reason why)
by Nikki Giovanni
I was born in the congo
I walked to the fertile crescent and built
the sphinx
I designed a pyramid so tough that a star
that only glows every one hundred years falls
into the center giving divine perfect light
I am bad
I sat on the throne
drinking nectar with allah
I got hot and sent an ice age to europe
to cool my thirst
My oldest daughter is nefertiti
the tears from my birth pains
created the nile
I gazed on the forest and burned
out the sahara desert
with a packet of goat's meat
and a change of clothes
I crossed it in two hours
I am a gazelle so swift
so swift you can't catch me
For a birthday present when he was three
I gave my son hannibal an elephant
He gave me rome for [father's] day
My strength flows ever on
My son noah built new/ark and
I stood proudly at the helm
as we sailed on a soft summer day
I turned myself into myself and was
jesus
men intone my loving name
All praises All praises
I am the one who would save
I sowed diamonds in my back yard
My bowels deliver uranium
the filings from my fingernails are
semi-precious jewels On a trip north
I caught a cold and blew
My nose giving oil to the arab world
I am so hip even my errors are correct
I sailed west to reach east and had to round off
the earth as I went
The hair from my head thinned and gold was laid
across three continents
I am so perfect so divine so ethereal so surreal
I cannot be comprehended except by my permission
I mean...I [MJ] ...can fly
like a bird in the sky...
I don't know why people think if MJ drank or did some dirt then it will prove to them that he's a human. We don't need him to do those things to realize that he's just a 'human'. I mean, come on, know a lot of people who don't smoke, don't drink, don't fart, don't burp, don't watch porn movies, butstill human beings with flaws. Please, please, don't say anything until you see it with your own eyes, just people get drunk doesn't mean that MJis one of them, ok ?
Well, someone who doesn´t burp or fart has a huge problem <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> but i guess you meant farting or burping in public, right? <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
On the other hand, why would it be so weird that MJ drank soemthing during his life? beer, champagne, a screw driver, whatever, at least once I am sure he did.
Drinking sometimes does not mean being a drunken.
Who does not take a nice Rioja with some meals? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
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how does what you are saying affect what was seen in the autopsy report. was there anything to indicate a heavy drinker?
why did you bring up the autopsy reort in regards to this?
it all sounds alot lid this:
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What is your problem> yes, i post the information i find in order to discuss it. Im trying to find out the truth. What do you want me to do... ignore what i find? Not talk it through with others so i can try and find out the truth??
There was a report inLondon that MJ was drunk and falling about the place after the O2 announcements.. most people denounced it saying MJ didnt touch alcohol.. but what if he did? What if he was drunk because he was unhappy? Who knows.. but im determined to uncover the truth. You can investigate my postings all you want. I hope it leads you to the truth and if you find it.. please let me know. Thats why i am here.
Well, we are assuming there's alcohol in the containers...If he supposedly drank wine out of diet coke cans, what makes you think he wouldn't drink water out of a liquor bottle? (the reverse scenario)...notice too he's holding the cigarette but it is unlit (something a kid would do to look cool).
I'm not saying Michael was a saint, but I do think he tried to break his "goodie goodie" image from time to time.
Personally, these pictures look photoshopped to me...and aren't those ladies sitting on his lap midgets? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> (not passing judgement here, just inquiring)
He had a wine cellar at Neverland and as far as I am concerned he likes white wine. I don't see why he shouldn't drink alcohol occasionally.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."I got this picture but see MIchael drinking alcohol is shocking,is giving a bad example for the fans. <!-- s
I saw on you tube boy 2 years old from indonesia smoking, the child knew to buy a pack and spark lighter. this reminded me of the photo of Mike smoking.
all my dreams are destroyed ...
I pray that noone has pictures of that too <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <!-- s
Mike was farting on that video that KAren Faye released... the one behind the scenes at Speed Demon. He farts as a joke. Sorry to dissullision you. <!-- s
you have to realise now that i'm gonna laugh about that for the rest of the day <!-- s
<!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> He farts?? I'm sure it smelt sweeter than roses... <!-- s
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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."I think this is a huge break-through! What do y'all think? Should we look further into this?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."NOOO!!!! Souza stop it!! <!-- s
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Is there a proof for this?
that is a practical assumption .but what about autopsy connection? still don't have an answer . and if i remember correctly dancing doesn't think michael is alive or is at least on the fence.
I've never seen MJ drunk, and I doubt he'd be falling over even if he were, because he always had bodyguards with him & an entire entourage. And in March 2009 he was in London with his kids and went to some plays & stuff... He didn't seem particularly unhappy at that time.
Dancing, I personally don't see the value in bringing up the fact that MJ had some booze once in a while. Any sane person knows that he's human (not God or a divine being) and is entitled to do adult stuff... And drinking is not a big deal in Europe, the way it is in the States. This is not a shocker, and it really doesn't matter whether MJ liked wine and/or marijuana and/or Playboy magazines (which I find quite retro and innocent, actually, in this era of Internet porn).
This sort of thing feels like you're trying to "bring him down a notch"... It's tabloidy. MJ being human doesn't detract from the fact that he was a GREAT human - one of the greatest ever. And it's not even a flaw or mistake to drink (responsibly).
If this has offended anyone, that wasnt the intention.... all i can say is that there is evidence out there that there was the "King of Pop" and then there was "Michael the man". <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
And i love them both!
No he didn´t <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> and he didn´t pick his nose either and all of those nasty human things <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> and don´t tell me he farted under the blankets and got his girlfriend under to smell it <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> and he never peed outside the toilet bowl, in fact, he does not pee <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: -->
@Gema: Hee hee. Well, maybe he "peed" but it was liquid gold, not urine. <!-- s
Reminds me of this poem:
Ego Tripping (there may be a reason why)
by Nikki Giovanni
I was born in the congo
I walked to the fertile crescent and built
the sphinx
I designed a pyramid so tough that a star
that only glows every one hundred years falls
into the center giving divine perfect light
I am bad
I sat on the throne
drinking nectar with allah
I got hot and sent an ice age to europe
to cool my thirst
My oldest daughter is nefertiti
the tears from my birth pains
created the nile
I gazed on the forest and burned
out the sahara desert
with a packet of goat's meat
and a change of clothes
I crossed it in two hours
I am a gazelle so swift
so swift you can't catch me
For a birthday present when he was three
I gave my son hannibal an elephant
He gave me rome for [father's] day
My strength flows ever on
My son noah built new/ark and
I stood proudly at the helm
as we sailed on a soft summer day
I turned myself into myself and was
jesus
men intone my loving name
All praises All praises
I am the one who would save
I sowed diamonds in my back yard
My bowels deliver uranium
the filings from my fingernails are
semi-precious jewels
On a trip north
I caught a cold and blew
My nose giving oil to the arab world
I am so hip even my errors are correct
I sailed west to reach east and had to round off
the earth as I went
The hair from my head thinned and gold was laid
across three continents
I am so perfect so divine so ethereal so surreal
I cannot be comprehended except by my permission
I mean...I [MJ] ...can fly
like a bird in the sky...
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On the other hand, why would it be so weird that MJ drank soemthing during his life? beer, champagne, a screw driver, whatever, at least once I am sure he did.
Drinking sometimes does not mean being a drunken.
Who does not take a nice Rioja with some meals? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->