I don't like to say "I knew it" but I knew this was going to happen. That was the reason why I asked TS to tell the Jacksons tweet a word that we chose. But many people jumped on me when I wrote that. They said: "TS has nothing to prove. He proved it with Jackson's tweet" etc. But today it is obvious where we are.
Anyways, if TS did what I offered, that could solve many confusion and problems. We would become sure of TS' authenticity and relation with the Jacksons. BUT was it going to be only us who would become sure of it? Michael did this hoax not for only entertaining purposes. He had very serious reasons to make it too. If he's not BAMming so soon, there's a very important reason for that. If TS did what I offered, that could put Michael's life in danger. I couldn't think of this possibility then. It looked like a good idea to me but definitely it wasn't. And plus, we know how Michael LOVES the MAGIC and MYSTERY. I'm sure that he doesn't like everything to be obvious. He likes to do his Magic in a Mysterical way. TS' mystery shouldn't surprise us since everything in this hoax is full of mystery. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> And TS is our enemy's enemy. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> God bless you TS.
This is what I wrote on the other post. I thought that I should post it here too.
Okay I have tons of things to write. I hope I can put them all together in this post. I'm personally a skeptical person. I do not judge or ignore someone from the start but do not believe anyone blindly either. I prefer to wait what he's gotta say and then decide what to make of it. I must admit that I had doubts about TS' authenticity because of TMZ's articles about Michael. I found some of them very disrespectful and I couldn't believe why Michael would allow this if TMZ is on MJ's side. But when I have doubts I prefer to go to back, to the beginning and take a look what I had found till today. And I have to say that TS helped a lot in filling the empty spaces about the hoax. And no disrespect but to me, you guys are despise the things TS has done for us. I can not write or paste everything TS posted but how did you forget the times when you were reading his posts and thanking him, appreciating him? Did you forget all of it? Do not flatter yourselves that much like you found everything by yourselves. TS showed us many many things which were never ever found by ANY of us!!! How soon did you forget them all? Why don't you go and read his posts once more before you start to judge him like he's someone from Sony, a member of the murder plan etc. I know you read his posts many times but what will you lose if you read them once more?
I did think myself about the murder plot many many times. Whenever Randy tweets or when I see Mrs Jackson crying on tv, I question myself once more about all possibilities. I go back to the beginning of everything and think about it all. And finally everything brings me to the hoax at the end again and again.
Okay first of, if there's a murder, the family is definitely in on the murder plan too. Why? Here's my explanation. You guys say that AEG and Kenny Ortega arranged the memorial and the funeral, so they could put all the hoax clues there like the Liberian Girl pictures etc, right? And you say that Randy makes tweets about the murder plot, so the family can not be in on it, right? So why any member of the family asked why there was only Liberian Girl pictures at the memorial and the funeral? They couldn't change the pictures? Why were everyone smiling, almost laughing behind the memorial backstage and also at the funeral? Sony-AEG paid money to everyone like friends and family to look happy just to make the fans believe that this is a hoax? Sony pays Joe Jackson to make him laugh so hard just a day after his son's death? Sony tells Katherine and Joe to wear the same outfits they wore during Michael's trials? And Sony pays Janet to make her forget where she was when she had heard about her brother's "death"? Sony also pays for Jermaine, and Latoya to make all those slip-ups? (Also the dancers, Larry King and so many people). Sony told Jermaine to make the annoucement at the hospital? The list goes on... Sorry but if this is a murder, then the family HAS TO BE in on it! Sony is a big company and they can be greedy but they can NOT establish all of these. At least without the help of the family members. And I do not believe MJ's family would kill him. If you believe that they could do it for money or fame, it's your opinion but I have to disagree with that wholeheartedly. Let's go on what else Sony is doing to make us believe to this "hoaxed hoax", ok? Sony is paying Akon and Teddy Riley too and that's the reason why they say Michael is alive. But guess what. The media started to call Teddy with this name: "INSANE PRODUCER". Is this his profit? And what's Akon's profit? Do they really need it? Sony is also paying to Coca Cola, 5Alive, McDonalds and all other companies that we have found the clues from! Plus Sony is paying to film companies to add some clues to make us think that MJ is alive! And the family is still supporting Sony because Jackie wrote about the "Unstoppable Train" in his tweets and we all know the train's number in the film which is Michael's Magical Number *777*!!!
I have to write a little about the numerology part of the hoax. You have to accept that Michael is into numerology. Nothing can change this fact even if you like or dislike it. Remember his 1998 autograph, remember his 2040 spaceship during the History tour? 2040= 25+06+2009!!! I know some of you dislike it but I want you to know that I'm terrible in maths too. But you do not have to be a mathematician to understand these. Let's begin with the 911 call. It was made definitely at 12:21 The end of the World. Sony decided for this call too? 77 days from the “death” on June 25 to 9-9-09; and it was 7 days from the “burial” to 9-9-09. Sony decided for this too? And ANY of the family members opposed to this idea? They didn't question why the funeral was delayed that long and why it was made on that day with a Full Moon in the sky? Sony decided for the autopsy report finalized on 9.9.9?
I have many things to add to this list. But I believe that these must be enough evidence to you guys to understand that this can not be a murder. If you believe the family is in on the murder, I've got nothing more to say to you. But it is not that hard to see the murder plan could never ever walk without the help of the family. And what a big waste of money and time Sony spends by getting the family members, friends and lots of companies into this murder plot! And why do they do this to look like a hoax? To make just a thousand of fans believe that this is a hoax and to make them buy the products. We were already going to buy everything related to Michael if he was really gone or was alive. Did Sony need to make it look like a hoax? And would Sony pay much much more money to earn just a few back? Would family make a deal with the killers of their son and brother? Would they say some of the songs are fake in the new album and sit back and do nothing against Sony?
I know that it's been too long and we're all tired and confused. But sometimes it is good to step back to move forward. Do not make a sudden decision, do not jump to conclusions. Go back to the beginning and think of every possibility once more. You will see the big picture. Michael is Alive and TS helped us a lot in understanding the hoax. Do not underestimate the information he has given us. I don't know where would we have been today without TS.
Everything has a purpose. TS just gave us a push to understand better the hoax instead of looking in dark tunnels. Stay calm and study for yourselves. Don't depend on others.
Are you sure TS told the Jacksons to post some twitt? Do you believe his word just because? What if the Jacksons posted that twitt and TS claims it's because he told them to do so? Who regards this possibility?
Or a second possibility: If one of the Jacksons' twitts contains a word that we use: believe, revealed, truth, ect. this would mean that TS told them to write that word in order to see TS is legit? Sorry but those words are overused in any language.
Are you sure TS told the Jacksons to post some twitt? Do you believe his word just because? What if the Jacksons posted that twitt and TS claims it's because he told them to do so? Who regards this possibility?
Or a second possibility: If one of the Jacksons' twitts contains a word that we use: believe, revealed, truth, ect. this would mean that TS told them to write that word in order to see TS is legit? Sorry but those words are overused in any language.
TS never claimed he told the Jacksons to post anything. Please get the story straight and don't twist words. I understand that you're frustrated but twisting of the facts is not helpful on or for either side.
Please refer to: <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541<!-- l --> to review a series of events that provide legitimacy to TS. This is just one example that I can find quickly.
Are you sure TS told the Jacksons to post some twitt? Do you believe his word just because? What if the Jacksons posted that twitt and TS claims it's because he told them to do so? Who regards this possibility?
Or a second possibility: If one of the Jacksons' twitts contains a word that we use: believe, revealed, truth, ect. this would mean that TS told them to write that word in order to see TS is legit? Sorry but those words are overused in any language.
TS never claimed he told the Jacksons to post anything. Please get the story straight and don't twist words. I understand that you're frustrated but twisting of the facts is not helpful on or for either side.
Please refer to: <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541<!-- l --> to review a series of events that provide legitimacy to TS. This is just one example that I can find quickly.
Well, that tweet is not on the main page anymore... Marlon tweeted a lot of non-sense tweets, and if it is a proof why don't they delete tweets again to let it reappears...?
Because it served it's purpose apparently. It was left up, noticed, I posted about it, we discussed it for a week and then Marlon posted a bunch of nonsense, knocked off the page, and he hasn't posted any activity since.
Why?
Why'd he take over the page with a big to-do, with a flurry of posts and deletes to post a bunch of new activity AND keep the post on the page... then wait until it's noticed by hoaxers, leave it for a week, then post a bunch of retweets to knock it into oblivion and then abandon it again.
I have no idea. Seems purposeful. The deletion of exactly the same amount of tweets as added to keep the post at bottom is super coincidental if that's what it is. The timing of leaving it like that for months until it's noticed, and then only left for a few days is another giant coincidence then too. Not saying that's not possible, just saying it's not likely.
I'm still left with a lot of "why?'s" myself Tarja. Maybe we will find out the answers some day, maybe not.
Are you sure TS told the Jacksons to post some twitt? Do you believe his word just because? What if the Jacksons posted that twitt and TS claims it's because he told them to do so? Who regards this possibility?
Or a second possibility: If one of the Jacksons' twitts contains a word that we use: believe, revealed, truth, ect. this would mean that TS told them to write that word in order to see TS is legit? Sorry but those words are overused in any language.
TS never claimed he told the Jacksons to post anything. Please get the story straight and don't twist words. I understand that you're frustrated but twisting of the facts is not helpful on or for either side.
Please refer to: <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541<!-- l --> to review a series of events that provide legitimacy to TS. This is just one example that I can find quickly.
Well, that tweet is not on the main page anymore... Marlon tweeted a lot of non-sense tweets, and if it is a proof why don't they delete tweets again to let it reappears...?
I don't know. Maybe because it did it's job and the point is to be cryptic. Maybe to make it more complicated and obscure like everything else. Fleeting, elusive proof is all we get in this hoax. It's a think for yourself hoax, not a follow the rules hoax.
Again, if TS gave solid, undeniable proof, the hoax would be over.
So the answer to why is exactly that: because the hoax isn't over yet.
None of us know who any of us really are here so ANY of us could be the enemy, that's why I don't put all my faith in one person's beliefs no matter what their standing. They don't call me trustno1 for nothing!! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
None of us know who any of us really are here so ANY of us could be the enemy, that's why I don't put all my faith in one person's beliefs no matter what their standing. They don't call me trustno1 for nothing!! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Are you sure TS told the Jacksons to post some twitt? Do you believe his word just because? What if the Jacksons posted that twitt and TS claims it's because he told them to do so? Who regards this possibility?
Or a second possibility: If one of the Jacksons' twitts contains a word that we use: believe, revealed, truth, ect. this would mean that TS told them to write that word in order to see TS is legit? Sorry but those words are overused in any language.
TS never claimed he told the Jacksons to post anything. Please get the story straight and don't twist words. I understand that you're frustrated but twisting of the facts is not helpful on or for either side.
Please refer to: <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541<!-- l --> to review a series of events that provide legitimacy to TS. This is just one example that I can find quickly.
Well, that tweet is not on the main page anymore... Marlon tweeted a lot of non-sense tweets, and if it is a proof why don't they delete tweets again to let it reappears...?
I don't know. Maybe because it did it's job and the point is to be cryptic. Maybe to make it more complicated and obscure like everything else. Fleeting, elusive proof is all we get in this hoax. It's a think for yourself hoax, not a follow the rules hoax.
Again, if TS gave solid, undeniable proof, the hoax would be over.
So the answer to why is exactly that: because the hoax isn't over yet.
Oh, so now all of a sudden TS did not give solid, undeniable proof..? I think it's time people start making up their mind, because you are contradicting yourself...
Are you sure TS told the Jacksons to post some twitt? Do you believe his word just because? What if the Jacksons posted that twitt and TS claims it's because he told them to do so? Who regards this possibility?
Or a second possibility: If one of the Jacksons' twitts contains a word that we use: believe, revealed, truth, ect. this would mean that TS told them to write that word in order to see TS is legit? Sorry but those words are overused in any language.
TS never claimed he told the Jacksons to post anything. Please get the story straight and don't twist words. I understand that you're frustrated but twisting of the facts is not helpful on or for either side.
Please refer to: <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541<!-- l --> to review a series of events that provide legitimacy to TS. This is just one example that I can find quickly.
Well, that tweet is not on the main page anymore... Marlon tweeted a lot of non-sense tweets, and if it is a proof why don't they delete tweets again to let it reappears...?
I don't know. Maybe because it did it's job and the point is to be cryptic. Maybe to make it more complicated and obscure like everything else. Fleeting, elusive proof is all we get in this hoax. It's a think for yourself hoax, not a follow the rules hoax.
Again, if TS gave solid, undeniable proof, the hoax would be over.
So the answer to why is exactly that: because the hoax isn't over yet.
Oh, so now all of a sudden TS did not give solid, undeniable proof..? I think it's time people start making up their mind, because you are contradicting yourself...
Puff, why are you picking apart everyone's words? I'm sorry but it comes across as very rude. What was meant was: (FOR EXAMPLE) if TS revealed his or her identity and turned out to be Michael himself (again, FOR EXAMPLE), that certainly would prove things but would clearly defeat the purpose of it all. For me, TS gave solid evidence that CONFIRMED the beliefs I alread had. TS did not make me believe in the hoax. TS is apart of the hoax, but TS is not THE hoax.
Are you sure TS told the Jacksons to post some twitt? Do you believe his word just because? What if the Jacksons posted that twitt and TS claims it's because he told them to do so? Who regards this possibility?
Or a second possibility: If one of the Jacksons' twitts contains a word that we use: believe, revealed, truth, ect. this would mean that TS told them to write that word in order to see TS is legit? Sorry but those words are overused in any language.
TS never claimed he told the Jacksons to post anything. Please get the story straight and don't twist words. I understand that you're frustrated but twisting of the facts is not helpful on or for either side.
Please refer to: <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541<!-- l --> to review a series of events that provide legitimacy to TS. This is just one example that I can find quickly.
Well, that tweet is not on the main page anymore... Marlon tweeted a lot of non-sense tweets, and if it is a proof why don't they delete tweets again to let it reappears...?
I don't know. Maybe because it did it's job and the point is to be cryptic. Maybe to make it more complicated and obscure like everything else. Fleeting, elusive proof is all we get in this hoax. It's a think for yourself hoax, not a follow the rules hoax.
Again, if TS gave solid, undeniable proof, the hoax would be over.
So the answer to why is exactly that: because the hoax isn't over yet.
Oh, so now all of a sudden TS did not give solid, undeniable proof..? I think it's time people start making up their mind, because you are contradicting yourself...
TS gave complicated, obscure proof but nothing you can hold up to an average person on the street and blurt out in a single sentence sound byte to say: "I have PROOF MJ is alive!!" and that's a curiosity we have been mulling over for a year. I've also said pretty much exactly that many times before. The proof isn't neatly prepackaged and single serving portioned for ease of delivery and consumption... at all. In my opinion, that's the point. If that kind of proof was provided, it would cause the hoax to be over because belief would become undeniable and the chain reaction would break the whole thing wide open. It's obviously not that time yet. I say obviously because we are still here debating this very subject.
Puff, you don't have to believe but you're trying to debate me into a corner and it won't work.
I believe TS is MJ. TS has influence over the family, Sony, TMZ, AND the Estate. What other person or entity has influence, or could have influence in all of these areas? It makes logical sense that TS is MJ... or "MJ", as in speaking (posting) directly for him.
TS has already addressed these points, and debated them himself, and there are no holes in the argument. You couldn't debunk it, no one could. No one has to date. I'm open minded, and I'll listen to a good argument, I just haven't seen one surface yet. That doesn't mean one won't, but until then, I believe, in my opinion, that TS is MJ (or equivalent).
TS gave complicated, obscure proof but nothing you can hold up to an average person on the street and blurt out in a single sentence sound byte to say: "I have PROOF MJ is alive!!" and that's a curiosity we have been mulling over for a year. I've also said pretty much exactly that many times before. The proof isn't neatly prepackaged and single serving portioned for ease of delivery and consumption... at all. In my opinion, that's the point. If that kind of proof was provided, it would cause the hoax to be over because belief would become undeniable and the chain reaction would break the whole thing wide open. It's obviously not that time yet. I say obviously because we are still here debating this very subject.
Puff, you don't have to believe but you're trying to debate me into a corner and it won't work.
I believe TS is MJ. TS has influence over the family, Sony, TMZ, AND the Estate. What other person or entity has influence, or could have influence in all of these areas? It makes logical sense that TS is MJ... or "MJ", as in speaking (posting) directly for him.
TS has already addressed these points, and debated them himself, and there are no holes in the argument. You couldn't debunk it, no one could. No one has to date. I'm open minded, and I'll listen to a good argument, I just haven't seen one surface yet. That doesn't mean one won't, but until then, I believe, in my opinion, that TS is MJ (or equivalent).
I agree with what you're saying bec. TS has yet to be de-bunked and I really don't think that will happen. And TS has provided the info on so many "coincidences" to the point where there is no way they can be actual coincidences and are in fact deliberate. TS has also opened several doors as to possible reasons for the hoax. TS can't just come out and say the purpose of the hoax or how it was done - that is something we have to be willing to think about and look into. People expect everything to be given to them on a platter with no effort on their part or will blindly listen and agree with whoever shouts the loudest. TS has been consistent and not all over the place - there is an a definite agenda with the posts and re-directs and as far as I know, TS has never contradicted himself or given false information.
As far as Michael actually being TS, I'm not sure on that one. I think Michael is in close contact with TS (the equivalent) and checks this site regularly and when he sees something he wants us to focus on, he informs TS. Or TS knows the hoax and MJ so well that he can re-direct as he sees fit. But anything is possible in this hoax! I do find it interesting that TMZ seems to get a lot of their stories from topics we've been discussing on this forum... TS could be like Harvey, an insider, but one who gets the info from MJ more directly, or more often.
While I have thought Michael has faked his death from the beginning, TS and TIAI is a major component to the hoax and has provided so much more beyond the "obvious" clues.
I think that for the peace of mind of everyone TS must face this controversy and calm down the masses.
I don't think that TS will answer because people say that they think for themselves so they don't need TS' answer on this. Plus something is about to happen on the 14th about this case. If I was TS and that there is no special redirect planned as per the hoax I would redirect to the Bible, some insightful verses will not harm. Well I'm off for today we'll see what tomorrow brings God willing. I love you all guys really. Blessings. And God bless you TS.
I will most likely get slammed for saying this but like Michael I have rhinoserous skin, and I am not ashamed of what I know to be truth. This very thing with the bible redirects is what is causing dislike for TS. And I have to say every verse that he/she has posted is not metaphorically inclined. For example in TIAI revealed Part 7 R40 which speaks of putting on the whole armor of God. That whole piece has no metaphoric reference. It straight up says what must happen in order to survive what is coming on the earth. With so many this enlightenment is unpopular because they choose to not believe in anything tangible that has to do with God or Jesus Christ. Everyone likes to put a religious lable on it to make it distasteful. And I hate to break the news but this is who TS is and who Michael is ...Believers in Jesus Christ and his never ending, never failing word, plain and simple and very direct and yes with no disrespect to those who don't believe. That is why God gave us choice! To believe or not to believe.
And I hate to break the news but this is who TS is and who Michael is ...Believers in Jesus Christ and his never ending, never failing word, plain and simple and very direct and yes with no disrespect to those who don't believe. That is why God gave us choice! To believe or not to believe.
No offence, but how do you KNOW how Michael is? Have you lived with him? meet him personally?
You hate to break the news? So it's already a fact. No, it's just your theory.
This is an OPINION and YOUR opinion. Does this mean you own the truth? No, I'm sorry. You are free to have your opinion and your own view about how Michael MIGHT be, but don't state your opinion as TRUTH, just because because you simply don't know him. I don't know him either, probably no one here does.
No offence, but I couldn't help myself. As long as someone doesn't know him personally, all opinions remain opinions and own theories and visions about how he MIGHT be.
I will most likely get slammed for saying this but like Michael I have rhinoserous skin, and I am not ashamed of what I know to be truth. This very thing with the bible redirects is what is causing dislike for TS. And I have to say every verse that he/she has posted is not metaphorically inclined. For example in TIAI revealed Part 7 R40 which speaks of putting on the whole armor of God. That whole piece has no metaphoric reference. It straight up says what must happen in order to survive what is coming on the earth. With so many this enlightenment is unpopular because they choose to not believe in anything tangible that has to do with God or Jesus Christ. Everyone likes to put a religious lable on it to make it distasteful. And I hate to break the news but this is who TS is and who Michael is ...Believers in Jesus Christ and his never ending, never failing word, plain and simple and very direct and yes with no disrespect to those who don't believe. That is why God gave us choice! To believe or not to believe.
Here's the R40 Bible quote you referred to above:
Ephesians 6:12-13 (21st Century King James Version)
12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13Therefore, take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day and, having done all, to stand.
So this quote was AFTER the re-directs on conspiracy theories, the TII army pic, etc. When I had initially saw this re-direct (when it happened), my interpretation was that there are some evil people in positions of power - call them the 1llumin@ti or whoever you want - who are literal devil worshippers (look up Bohemian grove ritual on youtube if you want). And so by embracing God (goodness and love) we will be able to withstand this evil and even stop it.
Michael believes in God - he's mentioned God and Jesus numerous times - and I think Michael knows the Bible very well and has probably drawn a lot of inspiration from it. So to me, the re-directs to Bible quotes fit in with the whole hoax being an actual hoax by Michael. Non-religious people may not like the Bible references but in order to try and understand all the parts of the hoax, it should be understood where Michael is coming from and what he's trying to tell us. Michael's actions throughout his life have shown a strong connection with God and love - his charitable donations, his love of children, his genuine concern for his fellow man and for the Earth we live on. I don't understand why some would be turned off TIAI by the Bible quotes - to me, it fits right in perfectly because this is Michael's hoax and he will draw attention to what he feels is important.
And I hate to break the news but this is who TS is and who Michael is ...Believers in Jesus Christ and his never ending, never failing word, plain and simple and very direct and yes with no disrespect to those who don't believe. That is why God gave us choice! To believe or not to believe.
No offence, but how do you KNOW how Michael is? Have you lived with him? meet him personally?
You hate to break the news? So it's already a fact. No, it's just your theory.
This is an OPINION and YOUR opinion. Does this mean you own the truth? No, I'm sorry. You are free to have your opinion and your own view about how Michael MIGHT be, but don't state your opinion as TRUTH, just because because you simply don't know him. I don't know him either, probably no one here does.
No offence, but I couldn't help myself. As long as someone doesn't know him personally, all opinions remain opinions and own theories and visions about how he MIGHT be.
A better approach would have been for you to ask me how I knew these things. You READ and decide for yourself if Michael is telling the truth. It came from his own mouth.
Call Seth Riggs and ask him how he knows the TRUTH...I will give you the number if you like, or you're intelligent I am sure, you find it for yourself.. If you want to deal with facts and truth, READ, then call these people opinionated . Many of them know Michael personally. I would suggest doing my homework before attacking someone that most likely knows what they are talking about, BEFORE making unwarranted statements about something you know NOTHING about. And how do you know "WHO" I know? I am not obligated give such information. No offence I couldn't help myself.
I will most likely get slammed for saying this but like Michael I have rhinoserous skin, and I am not ashamed of what I know to be truth. This very thing with the bible redirects is what is causing dislike for TS. And I have to say every verse that he/she has posted is not metaphorically inclined. For example in TIAI revealed Part 7 R40 which speaks of putting on the whole armor of God. That whole piece has no metaphoric reference. It straight up says what must happen in order to survive what is coming on the earth. With so many this enlightenment is unpopular because they choose to not believe in anything tangible that has to do with God or Jesus Christ. Everyone likes to put a religious lable on it to make it distasteful. And I hate to break the news but this is who TS is and who Michael is ...Believers in Jesus Christ and his never ending, never failing word, plain and simple and very direct and yes with no disrespect to those who don't believe. That is why God gave us choice! To believe or not to believe.
Here's the R40 Bible quote you referred to above:
Ephesians 6:12-13 (21st Century King James Version)
12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13Therefore, take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day and, having done all, to stand.
So this quote was AFTER the re-directs on conspiracy theories, the TII army pic, etc. When I had initially saw this re-direct (when it happened), my interpretation was that there are some evil people in positions of power - call them the 1llumin@ti or whoever you want - who are literal devil worshippers (look up Bohemian grove ritual on youtube if you want). And so by embracing God (goodness and love) we will be able to withstand this evil and even stop it.
Michael believes in God - he's mentioned God and Jesus numerous times - and I think Michael knows the Bible very well and has probably drawn a lot of inspiration from it. So to me, the re-directs to Bible quotes fit in with the whole hoax being an actual hoax by Michael. Non-religious people may not like the Bible references but in order to try and understand all the parts of the hoax, it should be understood where Michael is coming from and what he's trying to tell us. Michael's actions throughout his life have shown a strong connection with God and love - his charitable donations, his love of children, his genuine concern for his fellow man and for the Earth we live on. I don't understand why some would be turned off TIAI by the Bible quotes - to me, it fits right in perfectly because this is Michael's hoax and he will draw attention to what he feels is important.
I agree. If this were made to look like a hoax by someone other than Michael, why focus on God and Love? If he was murdered, then those who murdered him surely wouldn't want to continue spreading the message that he was murdered for.
Whether we all believe in the bible or not doesn't matter. It is still clearly apart of this and I think it has good lessons in it even for those who don't hold it as truth. There is truth to be found in the principles presented.
navibl you seem like a prophet already or you have the wrong image of yourself being one because otherwise I don't know. You know "facts" about Michael and what he thinks as you would have lived with him. I am shocked at the news, pardon... facts, you have put here! well, thank you <!-- s --><!-- s -->
That's what I call being numbed by religion and Bible. Looks what happens
Was it Oct 29 he came on first? So I guess I was a believer long before too. But TS was just that friend that came along to verify we were on the right track and is especially leading the ARG aspect, the rational/logical aspects of the hoax, giving it structure. For me also he gave me more understanding of the heart of Michael as he perceives the goings-on in the world. I felt attracted to TIAI on the very first few redirects and grew to love this person behind it. We eventually found out he was called TS and that person's character, personality, truthfulness has never wavered, always with kindness and patience, all matching perfectly with Michael. I think that for the few TS doubters here, their hearts were closed to TIAI/TS from the outset so it's no wonder they get nothing out of him, sadly.
IMO the biggest losses for non-believers and doubters is FUN, sense of adventure, being in a live Thriller! I wake up each day happy, wondering what this day will hold here, good positive people to talk to. Just think how aweful it must be for them. Their hero dead, the world has conspired to kill their hero, and no one can be trusted and in on their forums there seems much malice. I'd be so depressed. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
And I think Michael uses the Bible for his own purposes. He is NOT a typical God-fearing, Bible believer in the standard way. He walks to the beat of a different drummer, that's why I love him. I don't believe he is a Christian in the standard definition either. He's in his own catagory if that makes sense. People want to squeeze him into a mold of their own making and you simply can't do that. You just have to thoroughly study him and what he says and compile it, sort of as TS has done. It is no easy task.
I don't see it so much as fear, but as impatience. A lot of people prefer to follow known people (Teddy Riley, TMZ, etc.) where they know exactly who is who, rather than a person with no face, name, or anything else. I know I would. I respect TS for what he/she has done, but I'd just much rather follow people who I can relate with ... people with identities.
TS may be real, he may not be. I've read all of TS's posts, yes (for anyone who wonders) and they could be right. But it's just a preference. I don't think anyone here actually thinks of TS an "the enemy".
That's what I call being numbed by religion and Bible. Looks what happens
I found this statement very interesting Tarja. Can you please explain how religion and the Bible numb a person? I just want to make sure I'm not numbing. Thanks.... in advance.
None of us know who any of us really are here so ANY of us could be the enemy, that's why I don't put all my faith in one person's beliefs no matter what their standing. They don't call me trustno1 for nothing!! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
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I think that for the peace of mind of everyone TS must face this controversy and calm down the masses.
I don't think that TS will answer because people say that they think for themselves so they don't need TS' answer on this. Plus something is about to happen on the 14th about this case. If I was TS and that there is no special redirect planned as per the hoax I would redirect to the Bible, some insightful verses will not harm. Well I'm off for today we'll see what tomorrow brings God willing. I love you all guys really. Blessings. And God bless you TS.
I will most likely get slammed for saying this but like Michael I have rhinoserous skin, and I am not ashamed of what I know to be truth. This very thing with the bible redirects is what is causing dislike for TS. And I have to say every verse that he/she has posted is not metaphorically inclined. For example in TIAI revealed Part 7 R40 which speaks of putting on the whole armor of God. That whole piece has no metaphoric reference. It straight up says what must happen in order to survive what is coming on the earth. With so many this enlightenment is unpopular because they choose to not believe in anything tangible that has to do with God or Jesus Christ. Everyone likes to put a religious lable on it to make it distasteful. And I hate to break the news but this is who TS is and who Michael is ...Believers in Jesus Christ and his never ending, never failing word, plain and simple and very direct and yes with no disrespect to those who don't believe. That is why God gave us choice! To believe or not to believe.
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Anyways, if TS did what I offered, that could solve many confusion and problems. We would become sure of TS' authenticity and relation with the Jacksons. BUT was it going to be only us who would become sure of it? Michael did this hoax not for only entertaining purposes. He had very serious reasons to make it too. If he's not BAMming so soon, there's a very important reason for that. If TS did what I offered, that could put Michael's life in danger. I couldn't think of this possibility then. It looked like a good idea to me but definitely it wasn't. And plus, we know how Michael LOVES the MAGIC and MYSTERY. I'm sure that he doesn't like everything to be obvious. He likes to do his Magic in a Mysterical way. TS' mystery shouldn't surprise us since everything in this hoax is full of mystery. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> And TS is our enemy's enemy. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> God bless you TS.
This is what I wrote on the other post. I thought that I should post it here too.
Or a second possibility: If one of the Jacksons' twitts contains a word that we use: believe, revealed, truth, ect. this would mean that TS told them to write that word in order to see TS is legit? Sorry but those words are overused in any language.
TS never claimed he told the Jacksons to post anything. Please get the story straight and don't twist words. I understand that you're frustrated but twisting of the facts is not helpful on or for either side.
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Well, that tweet is not on the main page anymore... Marlon tweeted a lot of non-sense tweets, and if it is a proof why don't they delete tweets again to let it reappears...?
Why?
Why'd he take over the page with a big to-do, with a flurry of posts and deletes to post a bunch of new activity AND keep the post on the page... then wait until it's noticed by hoaxers, leave it for a week, then post a bunch of retweets to knock it into oblivion and then abandon it again.
I have no idea. Seems purposeful. The deletion of exactly the same amount of tweets as added to keep the post at bottom is super coincidental if that's what it is. The timing of leaving it like that for months until it's noticed, and then only left for a few days is another giant coincidence then too. Not saying that's not possible, just saying it's not likely.
I'm still left with a lot of "why?'s" myself Tarja. Maybe we will find out the answers some day, maybe not.
I don't know. Maybe because it did it's job and the point is to be cryptic. Maybe to make it more complicated and obscure like everything else. Fleeting, elusive proof is all we get in this hoax. It's a think for yourself hoax, not a follow the rules hoax.
Again, if TS gave solid, undeniable proof, the hoax would be over.
So the answer to why is exactly that: because the hoax isn't over yet.
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Oh, so now all of a sudden TS did not give solid, undeniable proof..? I think it's time people start making up their mind, because you are contradicting yourself...
Puff, why are you picking apart everyone's words? I'm sorry but it comes across as very rude. What was meant was: (FOR EXAMPLE) if TS revealed his or her identity and turned out to be Michael himself (again, FOR EXAMPLE), that certainly would prove things but would clearly defeat the purpose of it all. For me, TS gave solid evidence that CONFIRMED the beliefs I alread had. TS did not make me believe in the hoax. TS is apart of the hoax, but TS is not THE hoax.
TS gave complicated, obscure proof but nothing you can hold up to an average person on the street and blurt out in a single sentence sound byte to say: "I have PROOF MJ is alive!!" and that's a curiosity we have been mulling over for a year. I've also said pretty much exactly that many times before. The proof isn't neatly prepackaged and single serving portioned for ease of delivery and consumption... at all. In my opinion, that's the point. If that kind of proof was provided, it would cause the hoax to be over because belief would become undeniable and the chain reaction would break the whole thing wide open. It's obviously not that time yet. I say obviously because we are still here debating this very subject.
Puff, you don't have to believe but you're trying to debate me into a corner and it won't work.
I believe TS is MJ. TS has influence over the family, Sony, TMZ, AND the Estate. What other person or entity has influence, or could have influence in all of these areas? It makes logical sense that TS is MJ... or "MJ", as in speaking (posting) directly for him.
TS has already addressed these points, and debated them himself, and there are no holes in the argument. You couldn't debunk it, no one could. No one has to date. I'm open minded, and I'll listen to a good argument, I just haven't seen one surface yet. That doesn't mean one won't, but until then, I believe, in my opinion, that TS is MJ (or equivalent).
I agree with what you're saying bec. TS has yet to be de-bunked and I really don't think that will happen. And TS has provided the info on so many "coincidences" to the point where there is no way they can be actual coincidences and are in fact deliberate. TS has also opened several doors as to possible reasons for the hoax. TS can't just come out and say the purpose of the hoax or how it was done - that is something we have to be willing to think about and look into. People expect everything to be given to them on a platter with no effort on their part or will blindly listen and agree with whoever shouts the loudest. TS has been consistent and not all over the place - there is an a definite agenda with the posts and re-directs and as far as I know, TS has never contradicted himself or given false information.
As far as Michael actually being TS, I'm not sure on that one. I think Michael is in close contact with TS (the equivalent) and checks this site regularly and when he sees something he wants us to focus on, he informs TS. Or TS knows the hoax and MJ so well that he can re-direct as he sees fit. But anything is possible in this hoax! I do find it interesting that TMZ seems to get a lot of their stories from topics we've been discussing on this forum... TS could be like Harvey, an insider, but one who gets the info from MJ more directly, or more often.
While I have thought Michael has faked his death from the beginning, TS and TIAI is a major component to the hoax and has provided so much more beyond the "obvious" clues.
I will most likely get slammed for saying this but like Michael I have rhinoserous skin, and I am not ashamed of what I know to be truth. This very thing with the bible redirects is what is causing dislike for TS. And I have to say every verse that he/she has posted is not metaphorically inclined. For example in TIAI revealed Part 7 R40 which speaks of putting on the whole armor of God. That whole piece has no metaphoric reference. It straight up says what must happen in order to survive what is coming on the earth. With so many this enlightenment is unpopular because they choose to not believe in anything tangible that has to do with God or Jesus Christ. Everyone likes to put a religious lable on it to make it distasteful. And I hate to break the news but this is who TS is and who Michael is ...Believers in Jesus Christ and his never ending, never failing word, plain and simple and very direct and yes with no disrespect to those who don't believe. That is why God gave us choice! To believe or not to believe.
You hate to break the news? So it's already a fact. No, it's just your theory.
This is an OPINION and YOUR opinion. Does this mean you own the truth? No, I'm sorry. You are free to have your opinion and your own view about how Michael MIGHT be, but don't state your opinion as TRUTH, just because because you simply don't know him. I don't know him either, probably no one here does.
No offence, but I couldn't help myself. As long as someone doesn't know him personally, all opinions remain opinions and own theories and visions about how he MIGHT be.
Here's the R40 Bible quote you referred to above:
Ephesians 6:12-13 (21st Century King James Version)
12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13Therefore, take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day and, having done all, to stand.
So this quote was AFTER the re-directs on conspiracy theories, the TII army pic, etc. When I had initially saw this re-direct (when it happened), my interpretation was that there are some evil people in positions of power - call them the 1llumin@ti or whoever you want - who are literal devil worshippers (look up Bohemian grove ritual on youtube if you want). And so by embracing God (goodness and love) we will be able to withstand this evil and even stop it.
Michael believes in God - he's mentioned God and Jesus numerous times - and I think Michael knows the Bible very well and has probably drawn a lot of inspiration from it. So to me, the re-directs to Bible quotes fit in with the whole hoax being an actual hoax by Michael. Non-religious people may not like the Bible references but in order to try and understand all the parts of the hoax, it should be understood where Michael is coming from and what he's trying to tell us. Michael's actions throughout his life have shown a strong connection with God and love - his charitable donations, his love of children, his genuine concern for his fellow man and for the Earth we live on. I don't understand why some would be turned off TIAI by the Bible quotes - to me, it fits right in perfectly because this is Michael's hoax and he will draw attention to what he feels is important.
A better approach would have been for you to ask me how I knew these things. You READ and decide for yourself if Michael is telling the truth. It came from his own mouth.
Call Seth Riggs and ask him how he knows the TRUTH...I will give you the number if you like, or you're intelligent I am sure, you find it for yourself.. If you want to deal with facts and truth, READ, then call these people opinionated . Many of them know Michael personally. I would suggest doing my homework before attacking someone that most likely knows what they are talking about, BEFORE making unwarranted statements about something you know NOTHING about. And how do you know "WHO" I know? I am not obligated give such information. No offence I couldn't help myself.
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I agree. If this were made to look like a hoax by someone other than Michael, why focus on God and Love? If he was murdered, then those who murdered him surely wouldn't want to continue spreading the message that he was murdered for.
Whether we all believe in the bible or not doesn't matter. It is still clearly apart of this and I think it has good lessons in it even for those who don't hold it as truth. There is truth to be found in the principles presented.
That's what I call being numbed by religion and Bible. Looks what happens
IMO the biggest losses for non-believers and doubters is FUN, sense of adventure, being in a live Thriller! I wake up each day happy, wondering what this day will hold here, good positive people to talk to. Just think how aweful it must be for them. Their hero dead, the world has conspired to kill their hero, and no one can be trusted and in on their forums there seems much malice. I'd be so depressed. <!-- s
And I think Michael uses the Bible for his own purposes. He is NOT a typical God-fearing, Bible believer in the standard way. He walks to the beat of a different drummer, that's why I love him. I don't believe he is a Christian in the standard definition either. He's in his own catagory if that makes sense. People want to squeeze him into a mold of their own making and you simply can't do that. You just have to thoroughly study him and what he says and compile it, sort of as TS has done. It is no easy task.
TS may be real, he may not be. I've read all of TS's posts, yes (for anyone who wonders) and they could be right. But it's just a preference. I don't think anyone here actually thinks of TS an "the enemy".
I found this statement very interesting Tarja. Can you please explain how religion and the Bible numb a person? I just want to make sure I'm not numbing. Thanks.... in advance.
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