In reality I have hard time to imagine what percentage of real - not real there is and I'm trying to understand what are the lessons to be learned from that. Maybe that indeed they're having tea all together and that this is all just to make believe the people that this is a real trial while in reality this is a fake trial, behind close doors and that it is considered as truth just because the media report it to be so.
That is exactly what I think. Let's see what happens today.
Same here. We have no clue what they're doing behind the closed doors. And why are we having the hearings on the 9th floor all the time??? Isn't it interesting? The ones who follow TS know what 9 means for Michael and for the hoax and we're having all the hearings at the 9th floor. The last one was at the 9th floor again. And this is something I posted on TMZ section. It can be interesting for some of you.
Okay the interesting thing is, I don't know if you believe it or not and if you have ever been on LKL blogs but there was an informer there. And 4 moths ago s/he wrote a couple of times with capital latters that there will be a STAR WITNESS in the upcoming Murray hearings and s/he also wrote that there will be TRIAL! I don't know if this can be a koinkidannk that TMZ chose this title for Kenny <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> But I don't believe in koinkidankes in this hoax <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> Just wanted to let you guys know about it. Everything is very well planned and there's nothing to worry about. That's how I feel.
Here are some of her posts about the issue. There were more about the Star Witness issue and I'll be finding more posts of the informer about it.
-The preliminary hearing will be in January 2011. Though by the time this is posted it will be old news. More surprises on the way.
-The Informer
August 23rd, 2010 11:49 pm ET
-It is too soon for the Star Witness. That will be for the trial. Today's surprise is the delay. There will be more surprises to come in the first week of September and the end of October for the final buildup in January 2011 and the the magical comeback. Always remember the missing video security tapes of the 25th, the missing Thome Thome, broke Conrad's mystery financing, the old man at the Memorial, Brooke's admittance of being given a speech to read, the invited close friends at the interment, the blank tomb which is historically recognized at Forest Lawn since the early 1950s as a solid block and is merely a decoration underneath the stained glass Last Supper window, Conrad's recorded video statement like Michael had done when he defended himself and most importantly follow the number 7 as it will keep appearing everywhere. This is Reality Film. Michael started planning his shocking comeback with a famous magician back in 2006.
-The Informer
I see, Andrea.
I do not share the same opinion because I do not follow the redirects, TS already broke my heart expecting for MJ a year ago.
But if you put it like that and this is enough evidence for you, maybe performance act means simply faking the trial, no special effects and no entertainment as in art. So different views, different people.
May I ask why TS made you expect MJ to come back last year? TS never wrote that MJ was coming back in a certain date. He NEVER gave us a date. He wrote about the piece by piece RETURN started. It is so obvious that you do not follow the redirects and also you didn't read the posts of TS well and came to a decision so early and broke your own heart yourself. And I've got this feeling that we already know you. You do not sound like a new member. There are not many people on the forum who lose their faith so easily, but just 2 of them does. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
There are many things in the eyes of the world were real, the picture of the ambulance, the transfer of the body in the helicopter, the memorial, the funeral, the report of forensic,..we are going to challenge all these things now?
Reread the thread and it's obvious now, the redirect is indeed to the "not have to lie under oath" part that Andrea said and that means court is real <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
but it also means, I realized, that "they" (MJ camp) are pretty sure it won't make it past the prelim trial phase because surely Prince would inevitably be called to the stand in an official manslaughter trial. Now the only question is why are they pretty sure? Are they pretty sure because they have it rigged through the judge to ensure it, or pretty sure because they have it rigged through the witnesses, or pretty sure just because as we already know, the facts are scarce, the testimonies don't line up, the time line makes no sense, and the evidence including the scene were grossly mismanaged?
I have been operating under the theory that court is staged, movie set on site style, so the court is real theory takes a little bit of rethinking for me. If court is real, and this is really how it goes down and really all it takes to be tried in court for some criminal offense, how are they going to ensure that Murray doesn't actually go to prison?? I would say, well the star witness, MJ himself walking in pretty much nullifies the entire situ, but now we are getting signals that there will be no star witness at the prelim.
So I'm having a wtf moment.
Interesting redirect! LIES is the topic of the day! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Lies to make truth is performance art - it makes Art a form of Resistance ---> MJ AIR is a key concept within the "MJ Universe" but real liars are not welcome.
Michael does Not like Liars.
...Sorry for Thinking loud, back to the re-direct!
Like Bec and Sarahli, I find it difficult to differentiate between the Truth and the lies or said differently what is staged (fake) and what is real... How far can one push lies to make truth?
If the court case is indeed real, what are the "fake elements" that will ensure The exact Scenario is played! This would be a far greater challenge than a mock court case with far greater risks but it is possible. Keeping the children away from it would however probably be a PRIORITY as court experience can be traumatic... unless the right protective environment can be set within a real court case and NO lies had to be told under oath.
My take from this re-direct is that the children are NOT being made to Lie, they are acting their role in a movie.
With L.O.V.E <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
PS: Thank You TS for this Re-direct and Andrea for an insightful comment.
Hi everyone and a Happy New Year to all of you. Did anyone see the interview that Tom Messereau did on MSNBC yesterday morning on Jay & Co. which was the 03rd January about the trial and how Dr. Murray's defense will be that Michael committed suicide. He really didnt have much to say but that that defense will not work for Dr. Murray and the defense will try to use Michael's drug addiction as grounds and try to trash Michael's name.
Well, as the Court is taking very stringent measures to ensure no newspeople can report what goes on in the Courtroom, it will still be guesswork on our part. However, this tells me that they obviously don't want the truth coming out.
I am personally going to put a stop to all of the threats on my life and the threats against my family.
I am now bringing out to the public all of the credible evidence in my possession on the corruption in Los Angeles Law Enforcement pertaining to the Michael Jackson Investigation. I am going to personally stop all of the threats from the LAPD on my life and the threats against my family. These are occurring because those members of law enforcement know that I possess abundant incriminating evidence that is going to put a lot of people in prison. I am not going to allow and will expose those people who are colluding together, such as Diane Dimond of Entertainment Tonight, with the police to use false documents to threaten me, obstruct my independent investigation into Michael’s death and to stop me from providing evidence to the proper authorities. All of the people that have been threatening my family and I that I have incriminating evidence on are going to be exposed with this evidence in the public eye so they will stop their attempts on my life that I have been experiencing for too long. For me to wait for the slow wheels of government investigations to catch on and bring these people to justice is no longer feasible. Colin Powell is a friend of mine. I have already called his house and left a message for him. I am asking him to engage a congressional investigation into all of the LAPD and Los Angeles Sherriff Department Law Enforcement Corruption in Los Angeles that is taking place in the Michael Jackson and other important investigations that is ruining our city. I want a Congressional Committee to subpoena these people, put them under oath, gather credible evidence for a good District Attorney, and bring them to proper justice. I have already asked Bob Woodward to report on this matter in the Washington Post. I am going to put an end to these threats now. I owe it to my family. I owe it to myself. But, most of all, I owe it to the public who always wants to know the truth and especially the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson. In reference to yesterday’s lawsuit filed against me by Dr. Arnold Klein, I am established Government Witness in the Michael Jackson Death Investigation. It is my clear opinion that Dr. Arnold Klein and his attorneys are attempting to prevent me from discussing incriminating evidence that I possess on Dr. Klein. They know that I have provided this evidence to the authorities. They also know that credible, incriminating evidence is going to be shortly released in my book. In my opinion and that of others, they desperately want me to stop any further investigation and to stop providing the public and the authorities the evidence that I acquire.
It is my opinion that Dr. Klein is using a letter with falsified information sent to him by Howard Weitzman, Esq. In July 2009, I was asked to have a privileged meeting with Mr. Weitzman and another attorney. I shared incriminating evidence that I possessed on Dr. Klein and that he was under investigation by multiple agencies of the Department of Justice.
Mr. Weitzman told me that he would neither talk with Dr. Klein, would not provide him any defense, nor would he assist his defense attorneys. On August 1st, 2009, after that privileged legal meeting, Mr. Weitzman prepared a letter with false information to Dr. Klein’s defense attorney, Mr. Charnley, in an attempt to discredit me. The false information in his letter was known to be false by both he and Mr. John Branca. Mr. Weitzman had told me he had discussed it with Mr. Branca. Mr. Weitzman falsely stated that I had no permission nor right to talk about Michael or his mother. H also stated that he and Mr. Branca did not condone me providing evidence to the public about Dr. Klein’s criminal activities, that may have actually contributed to Michael’s death, the very person who’s estate they now represent.
Shortly after the publication of his letter containing false information, I had left Katherine Jackson’s home, and Mr. Weitzman, my wife and I had a telephone conversation. We requested that he provide a corrected letter to Mr. Charnley, to the media who requested a correction, and to send a copy to me. He already had the hand-written and signed consents from both Michael Jackson in March 1999 giving me permission to publically discuss his medical records and from Katherine and Rebbie Jackson from July 18, 2009 giving me permission to talk with the media about Michael. He told me that he had discussed the issue with Mr. Branca and that both of them agreed to provide me, Mr. Charnley and the media with a corrected letter. Both of them failed to do this despite having documents proving the information in Mr. Weitzman’s letter was false.
On July 24th, 2009, I had corresponded about the issue of slander and defamation with one of Dr. Klein’s lawyers, Mr. Boyer. I invited Dr. Klein and Mr. Boyer to sit down with me and go over all of the evidence that I had on Dr. Klein’s criminal activities and that I would delete anything that they proved to be false. I never heard back from them. His client, Dr. Klein, also had knowledge of my being given consents by Michael Jackson and by Katherine and Rebbie Jackson to discuss Michael and his medical records.
Dr. Klein, all of his attorneys Richard Charnley, Bradley Boyer, Susan Wootton and the firm “Ropers, Majestic, Kohn, and Bentley” together with Howard Weitzman and now apparently John Branca knew of the falsity of Weitzman’s letter, yet are attempting to use it in their attempts to bring a frivolous lawsuit against me, obstruct my testimony, and to discredit me.
With this evidence, I have contacted the Attorney General of California, Jerry Brown. I expect that he will put a stay on this lawsuit because he would never allow a court to proceed in an action that would obstruct one of their primary witnesses (myself) in a federal investigation.In addition, I expect that he will now open an additional investigation into probable felonies that all of these individuals have committed in attempting to obstruct justice, intimidating a government witness with a document that is known to be false, and possibly other crimes.
I believe that with this evidence, I now have a legal standing to bring a lawsuit against all of them, which I certainly will, for possible felonies committed against me. I am going to start providing the media and Michael Jackson’s fans all of the evidence that I have involving the Michael Jackson Death Investigation, the Corrupt Los Angeles Law Enforcement, and others colluding together to obstruct Justice. If anyone wants to file another slander and defamation suit, I suggest that they send a copy directly to the Attorney General of California Jerry Brown.
Those trying to hurt my family and I should stop because all of the evidence that we possess will not be with us but with the public.
Steven M. Hoefflin, M.D., F.I.C.S., F.A.C.S.
Sincerely,
Steven M. Hoefflin,
MD,
FACS Immediate Past President Los Angeles Society of Plastic Surgeons
Thanks for this eye opener TheRunningGirl. I had no clue about this stuff. I went into that rabbit hole. I clicked around on the links to make sure this wasn't a joke. This Dr. is spilling it all. This is the biggest pandoras box I have ever witnessed. This isn't some rinky dinky criminal case going on. This is at the Federal level. This is Colin Powell shit. <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> This adventure gets better every day.
Peace
<!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=49&t=16882&start=0<!-- l --> The way I read this statement by Dr. H is he has turned over incriminating evidence on other people and he is now under the Federal Government's Protection. I read the Dr.'s statement as saying he is getting a deal of no prosecution (on his guilty part) if he snitches and rats everyone out.
If the redirect was meant to include the very last line, "lie under oath" that means court is real. If court is real then that means the DA really did decide to bring charges on Murray and they really do think MJ is dead and this really is how things get handled in our department of justice... <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
But maybe the redirect just meant the first part, with the brickmen and "final push" to get people questioning the inconsistencies in this case. I kind of hope it's that and court is staged because it's frightening to think that our officials in charge of these matters really are this stupid and inept.
I believe both parts of your statement I highlighted is the right answer. Only a few key people are needed to pull this off. Everyone else just does what they do naturally therefore the show is more believable. Also YES the officials handling this case are that stupid and inept. Grease the right hands and anything is possible within the Dept. of Justice.
Thanks Im_convincedmjalive for going down that rabbithole. It makes me think of when investigators of a crime go incognito or pose as an insider in the target criminal group, they have to all totally lie because their lives depend on it. Is this part of what MJ involved in rounding up some of the biggest thugs at the highest level? It gets back to the pyramid structure again. The workers on each level don't have to know much beyond what they are told. Only those at the very top know everything. The busy bees (maybe media) at the bottom know nothing.
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Same here. We have no clue what they're doing behind the closed doors. And why are we having the hearings on the 9th floor all the time??? Isn't it interesting? The ones who follow TS know what 9 means for Michael and for the hoax and we're having all the hearings at the 9th floor. The last one was at the 9th floor again. And this is something I posted on TMZ section. It can be interesting for some of you.
May I ask why TS made you expect MJ to come back last year? TS never wrote that MJ was coming back in a certain date. He NEVER gave us a date. He wrote about the piece by piece RETURN started. It is so obvious that you do not follow the redirects and also you didn't read the posts of TS well and came to a decision so early and broke your own heart yourself. And I've got this feeling that we already know you. You do not sound like a new member. There are not many people on the forum who lose their faith so easily, but just 2 of them does. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
Interesting redirect! LIES is the topic of the day! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Lies to make truth is performance art - it makes Art a form of Resistance ---> MJ AIR is a key concept within the "MJ Universe" but real liars are not welcome.
Michael does Not like Liars.
...Sorry for Thinking loud, back to the re-direct!
Like Bec and Sarahli, I find it difficult to differentiate between the Truth and the lies or said differently what is staged (fake) and what is real... How far can one push lies to make truth?
If the court case is indeed real, what are the "fake elements" that will ensure The exact Scenario is played! This would be a far greater challenge than a mock court case with far greater risks but it is possible. Keeping the children away from it would however probably be a PRIORITY as court experience can be traumatic... unless the right protective environment can be set within a real court case and NO lies had to be told under oath.
My take from this re-direct is that the children are NOT being made to Lie, they are acting their role in a movie.
With L.O.V.E <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
PS: Thank You TS for this Re-direct and Andrea for an insightful comment.
The way I read this statement by Dr. H is he has turned over incriminating evidence on other people and he is now under the Federal Government's Protection. I read the Dr.'s statement as saying he is getting a deal of no prosecution (on his guilty part) if he snitches and rats everyone out. I believe both parts of your statement I highlighted is the right answer. Only a few key people are needed to pull this off. Everyone else just does what they do naturally therefore the show is more believable. Also YES the officials handling this case are that stupid and inept. Grease the right hands and anything is possible within the Dept. of Justice.