TMZ one big hoax?

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  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    Lindsay Lohan's Court Get-Up -- Very Black & White
    2/23/2011 8:32 AM PST by TMZ Staff

    Lindsay Lohan just arrived at court to face Judge Schwartz in her felony grand theft case -- except unlike her last appearance, she really mixed things up today ... with a low-cut black top and white pants.

    0223-lilo-court-entrance-splash-getty4-credit.jpg

    For the record -- Lindsay wore ALL white last time to represent "innocence."

    So we gotta ask ...

    Who'd you rather?
    67% White Lindsay
    33% Black & white Lindsay
    Total Votes: 19,106

    <!-- m -->http://www.tmz.com/2011/02/23/lindsay-l ... ace-video/<!-- m -->


    Hmmmmm....

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

  • lilwendylilwendy Posts: 788
    Here's another story that made me go hmmmm

    Justin Bieber's Dad -- UNPHASED After Shooting!
    2/22/2011 12:05 AM PST by TMZ Staff

    Justin Bieber's dad wasn't bothered a bit by the sight of Justin getting shredded by bullets on "CSI" -- which means he has a cold heart -- or maybe he just knows a fake TV shooting when he sees it.

    This just made me think of all the people analyzing the kids, Katherine, family reactions to MJs death. They seemed to not be bothered by the fact that MJ just died. Heck Katherine was out shopping a couple days later, unphased! <!-- s;-) -->;-)<!-- s;-) -->

    Maybe it's because they know a fake death when they see it! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • GraceGrace Posts: 2,864
    TMZ may be a trojan horse.

    Looking at the boss of TMZ, Harvey has the best fitting bio and knowledge to do this.
    (Plus he has done broadcasting of real court cases for quite a while.)
    Harvey Levin grew up in Los Angeles, and as a young adult his goal was to become a law professor. After obtaining an undergraduate degree from the University of California in Santa Barbara, he went to the Windy City to earn his JD at the University of Chicago Law School. Harvey Levin's successful completion of the bar exam gave him the power to make his teaching wishes come true, so he returned to Los Angeles to teach law at what is now called Whittier College School of Law in 1977.

    The career path of Harvey Levin changed directions when he was asked by his school dean to participate in debates surrounding the taxation-themed Proposition 13. His work on the project brought increased media attention and landed Harvey Levin a weekly radio gig, his own column in the Los Angeles Times and a string of television appearances. Now a budding media personality, the established law professor was curious about what else was out there.

    harvey levin on the people's court and celebrity justice
    The next step in Harvey Levin's career saw him combine his legal prowess with his new projects on television. He became a legal analyst for The People's Court, a show that he would be associated with on and off for 25 years, culminating in a successful run as the show's producer. He also took an interest in the investigative side of reporting, but it almost backfired during the O.J. Simpson trial, when he accused prosecutor Marcia Clark of entering the defendant's house without a warrant, only to have his "evidence" proven wrong.

    Harvey Levin's experience observing the trial of O.J. Simpson left him fascinated by celebrities and crime. As a result, he developed an idea for a show called Celebrity Justice that would provide insight and exploration into these two topics. Unfortunately, the television networks weren't keen on the idea and it took seven years for it to finally come to fruition. When it did, the show was a mild success until its cancellation in 2005, something that Harvey Levin felt was due to poor time slots that didn't cater well to the idea of breaking entertainment news.

    harvey levin and tmz
    In 2005, Harvey Levin was offered the job of managing editor for a new web site venture called TMZ -- an abbreviation for the "thirty mile zone" around Hollywood where studio productions are still considered local. Harvey Levin initially balked at the offer because he didn't feel comfortable on the internet, but he then realized that the 24/7 power of the internet would give him news-breaking capabilities that he never had on television. Harvey Levin took the job and hired back many of his old Celebrity Justice staffers, and the web site quickly became a celebrity news magnet. Intimate details of Mel Gibson's DUI arrest, the audio recording of Alec Baldwin's notorious answering machine outburst, and the video of Michael Richards' career-killing racist stand-up disaster were some of TMZ's most newsworthy stories. Naturally, a TV spin off of TMZ on TV debuted in 2007 with Harvey Levin in the driver's seat.

    Within four years, TMZ.com was receiving over 10 million visitors per month and the stories just kept on getting bigger. In 2009, Harvey Levin took his site into the political arena to show how the Chicago-based Northern Trust Bank spent a significant chunk of their federal bailout money on ritzy concert events, which eventually forced the company to make a pledge to pay it back. Then, after breaking the news of Christian Bale's Terminator: Salvation on-set spazz and the infamous Chris Brown and Rihanna assault case, TMZ.com was the first media outlet in the world to publish the news of Michael Jackson's passing. While the launch of another Harvey Levin television creation, Beyond Twisted, was a bust, he remained in the spotlight after winning a bet with John Mayer that he could produce a mugshot from the singer's 2001 arrest. After the picture went live at TMZ.com, John Mayer donated $25K to two of Harvey Levin's favorite animal charities. The result was a lot of happy puppies, especially three new ones. Their names? John Mayer, TMZ and Harvey Levin.
    http://www.askmen.com/celebs/men/business_politics/harvey-levin/index.html
    The People's Court (1981) was the first reality court show that did not use actors, but showed the actual cases with the actual parties involved.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_People%27s_Court

    A positive statement on what he's doing:
    Former law professor and People's Court personality Harvey Levin went from television legal analyst to top-notch celebrity newshound with three simple letters -- TMZ. Through TMZ's web site and matching television show, he's revolutionized how we get our Hollywood gossip, and has been first to break the news of major celebrity news items, with no bigger scoop than the first announcement of Michael Jackson's death.

    There is a very long list of celebrities (Alec Baldwin, Mel Gibson and Christian Bale are a few) who won't be welcoming Harvey Levin to their next New Year's Eve celebrations. Despite their shared dislike of the man behind the TMZ curtain and the not-so-flattering information that he's posted about them, Harvey Levin insists that part of what makes him different from other celebrity-chasing news organizations is that he keeps his stories candid and truthful. The truth can be ugly, but as a former lawyer, Harvey Levin tries to take an ethical approach to his work by letting the truth speak for itself and not publishing hot-button scoops like medical records, photos of celebrity children or scoops that are obvious examples of celebrity stalking. He also asserts that some celebrities enjoy the attention that he gives them and are in on the act because a mention on TMZ means that they're still important.

    How he wants to be seen - very disciplined, a "gym rat", healthy eating only - reminds me of a dancer's life <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> :
    You might wonder why cameras don't seem to follow Harvey Levin when he's away from the TMZ studio. Primarily, it's because he doesn't have a lot of time these days to be social (or get into trouble). He often works more than 10 hours a day and can't do any late nights because his days begin at 3 a.m. That said, there are a few simple pleasures that he takes pride in doing. He's a gym rat who works out daily at 4 a.m. and considers steak to be his only welcome departure from the land of healthy eating. In his rare moments of quiet time, Harvey Levin appreciates good television, and in keeping with his eye for pop culture, he has a soft spot for hot shows like Dexter and True Blood.

    What he says about his job:
    "I'm really into the mundane -- I think you can really make the mundane fun. On TMZ we can do a minute on someone getting out of a car and make it funny. What makes that compelling is that it's real."
    – Harvey Levin"
    All part of: http://www.askmen.com/celebs/men/business_politics/harvey-levin/index.html
  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
    I think both TS and TMZ have proved themselves over time and many posts/articles that they truly represent/have MJ's best interests in mind, after almost 1 and a half years keeping MJ before our eyes. They have been our MJ hoax guides so to speak, staying with us when many times things were quiet or boring. I really think MJ set TMZ up years ago in preparation for this hoax, because I don't think he could have pulled the many details off as well without them. There is so much humor in this hoax, for those who believe, of course; and I also think Harvey uses other celeb's news to convey info about MJ too. If there truly is going to be a MJ take-over in the music/movie industry and/or a earth shattering BAM seen around the world, TMZ was a wise cornerstone placed to take us there. There's a lot of characters involved in this hoax movie/ Thriller 2, and TMZ has done a good job of introducing them to us.
  • TMZ as a TV show maybe! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

    TMZ has shown at least 4 articles with references to GHOSTS recently and the video below (Esprit467) does an excellent job in "connecting" those articles to Michael and the hoax.

    [youtube:18rlxhfu]

    With L.O.V.E
  • AndreaAndrea Posts: 3,787
    Ya RunningGirl, I totally noticed all the "ghost" stories and thought of MJ right away. What I'm curious about is why are they making subtle references to the hoax and yet not reporting about any of the court stuff the last couple days - jury selection, who must testify, etc. They should be all over that. Now that I think about it, I think there will be an MJ day soon on TMZ, they tend to save up and run a lot of his articles together...
  • SinderellaSinderella Posts: 1,334
    Personally,I think TMZ's role partly has been to over saturate the internet,social networking sites,other media sources with info on Murray's trial so that -as we are seeing now- it is impossible to find a Jury to sit in on it.
    They have dismissed over 200 juror applications because they showed they knew too much about the trial already,about Michael,Murray,and the whole thing really.
    There will be no one sitting there who is with a fresh and non bias mind,making judgements based completley on what's being said in court,not what they already know/have heard from people like TMZ/on twitter etc.
    And it doesn't matter what age group they target either,more and more people have profiles on twitter and facebook so really...they are doomed to find anyone who knows nothing.

    Can't have a trial with no jury...
    Totally Brilliant.
  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    OK I have something to say about TMZ.
    I never heard of them before Michael's death.
    So I didn't know who they were, as celebrity gossip never was my concern.

    I thought that they made fun of Michael, even if he was officially dead, because they were in the hoax and I saw that "fun" as another clue.

    But now I see they make fun of anyone, alive or dead.

    So, even if I enjoy their sense of humor, I have some doubts about TMZ.
    But I like Harvey anyway.
  • Look at what Jermain Jackson tweeted regarding TMZ!
    <!-- m -->http://twitter.com/#!/jermjackson5<!-- m -->

    Please share your thoughts about it <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
  • Not sure why I feel it is relevant to MJ but more TMZ and Charlie Sheen observations...

    TMZ currently has a story where Charlie Sheen references and compares himself to Errol Flynn.

    <!-- m -->http://www.tmz.com/2011/02/02/charlie-s ... rosenblum/<!-- m -->

    What I found interesting when I looked up Errol Flynn is that he apparently died of a heart attack at the age of 50 and he is interred at Forest Lawn Memorial Park Cemetery, in Glendale, California.

    <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errol_Flynn<!-- m -->

    Flynn's most celebrated role was in The Adventures of Robin Hood. At a quick glance I saw a couple things related to Robin Hood that I found relevant but I'm off to do a bit more reading on this subject.
    OAN...Why do I feel like I've read this before? I'm either going in circles or having some serious deja vu.
    ETA: I HAVE read this before in relation to the "Green Man"... I've read so much mess I can't keep track any more. lol

    Hi everyone <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> Here are some videos I recently saw that connect Errol Flynn to Michael and his hoax

    [youtube:2vrif0yj]

    This person uploading these videos is called themichealproject20 and has been talking about the movie Godspell and how it relates to Michael. In parts 3 & 4 this person shows how Errol Flynn is connected. Underneath the above video it says this:

    The continuation of Michael's connection and influence of this classic film. Also a revelation of why you are definitely witnessing a hoax and how legendary swashbuckler Errol Flynn plays a major role in it.

    [youtube:2vrif0yj]


    I know there is a thread here about the Godspell movie, perhaps this was already mentioned there? Anyway, food for thought.

    Love & Light
    Carol aka Touched By An Angel aka TouchedByAngelM on Twitter
  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    Look at what Jermain Jackson tweeted regarding TMZ!
    <!-- m -->http://twitter.com/#!/jermjackson5<!-- m -->

    Please share your thoughts about it <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

    I don't know...what do you make of it <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> ?
  • Not sure why I feel it is relevant to MJ but more TMZ and Charlie Sheen observations...

    TMZ currently has a story where Charlie Sheen references and compares himself to Errol Flynn.

    <!-- m -->http://www.tmz.com/2011/02/02/charlie-s ... rosenblum/<!-- m -->

    What I found interesting when I looked up Errol Flynn is that he apparently died of a heart attack at the age of 50 and he is interred at Forest Lawn Memorial Park Cemetery, in Glendale, California.

    <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errol_Flynn<!-- m -->

    Flynn's most celebrated role was in The Adventures of Robin Hood. At a quick glance I saw a couple things related to Robin Hood that I found relevant but I'm off to do a bit more reading on this subject.
    OAN...Why do I feel like I've read this before? I'm either going in circles or having some serious deja vu.
    ETA: I HAVE read this before in relation to the "Green Man"... I've read so much mess I can't keep track any more. lol

    Hi everyone <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> Here are some videos I recently saw that connect Errol Flynn to Michael and his hoax

    [youtube:2xombwpg]

    This person uploading these videos is called themichealproject20 and has been talking about the movie Godspell and how it relates to Michael. In parts 3 & 4 this person shows how Errol Flynn is connected. Underneath the above video it says this:

    The continuation of Michael's connection and influence of this classic film. Also a revelation of why you are definitely witnessing a hoax and how legendary swashbuckler Errol Flynn plays a major role in it.

    [youtube:2xombwpg]


    I know there is a thread here about the Godspell movie, perhaps this was already mentioned there? Anyway, food for thought.

    Love & Light
    Carol aka Touched By An Angel aka TouchedByAngelM on Twitter

    Yes! You are RIGHT TouchedByAnAngel, I think that Errol Flynn is a sure influence on Michael's Hoax.

    Here is a link to the Errol Flynn thread "TMP - Michael and the Movies":
    http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=250&t=17478
    Also More Errol Flynn Parallels in this thread "TMP - Michael and the Movies- Godspell" (As referred to above by TouchedByAnAngel):
    http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=250&t=18006

    It is also said that Errol Flynn may have faked his death! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

    With L.O.V.E
  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    I just did a little reading through TMZ MJ stories before June 25th.
    They made big (good) fun of Michael, picturing him as weird, making fun of his plastic surgeries, childish behaviour not fit for his age and so on.....

    I just want to ask - how does this fit with TMZ in the hoax?
  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    I just accesed this forum from TMZ site. We all know they are following this site so what if they are just believers and nothing more?

    Maybe all the clues we see in their posts are only normal reactions from people who don't believe Michael died?
  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    I just accesed this forum from TMZ site. We all know they are following this site so what if they are just believers and nothing more?

    Maybe all the clues we see in their posts are only normal reactions from people who don't believe Michael died?

    Just one question: How did they publish the article that he died 6 minutes before he was pronounced dead? harvey said he even knew wayyyyyyyy before.

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    "...he was pronounced dead at 2:26 p.m
    .....................................................
    The first reports that Jackson had suffered a cardiac arrest, then that he had died, came from TMZ.com, a Los Angeles-based celebrity news website. Doctors at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center pronounced Jackson dead at 2:26 pm, and 18 minutes later at 2:44 pm. TMZ published: "Michael Jackson passed away today at the age of 50."[19]"

    This is the wiki link to the above quote.

    <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Michael_Jackson<!-- m -->

    On TMZ I found this:
    <!-- m -->http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-j ... ac-arrest/<!-- m -->

    posted at 2:20 LA time I suppose.

    Why wikipedia says different?

    Is it possible that TMZ changed the minutes of their post later?

    I never saw the proof that TMZ really announced it 6 minutes earlier, I was reading about it on hoax sites <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> or the proof is that post from 2:20 but I'm not sure, maybe they could change the time of the post? I wasn't there to see that post in real time.


    Oh and there was also this:

    <!-- m -->http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-j ... ospital/6/<!-- m -->

    posted at 1:30 and updated, but we can't see the hour of the update...or maybe that update was posted at 2:44 <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> ?
  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    Both can be altered, so there is no way of telling. I only have seen 2:20 pm, since the beginning (well actually it was set to ET first, 5:20 PM). I have seen that since the early days, so if it was changed, it was changed very soon after publication, and if so, for what reason? They were the first already, even if it was published at 2:44 pm, so why change it that quick to 6 minutes BEFORE death?

    Here is an interview with Harvey on June 25, which is pretty interesting. Nostraharvey predicts it will last for a long time and that there are many tentacles to the story. He is also talking about the Death Certificate that same day, busy with the DC? They always have the DC's pretty quickly, just look at Liz' DC, yet this one is only available two weeks later, on 7/7 and again TMZ is the first to show. But Harvey was already busy with it on June 25? Weird...


    [youtube:3lhr9oq6]

    Nostraharvey also KNEW up front that Propofol would be the cause of death:

    [youtube:3lhr9oq6]

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    Both can be altered, so there is no way of telling.

    I was told the same by other people.
    I have seen that since the early days, so if it was changed, it was changed very soon after publication, and if so, for what reason? They were the first already, even if it was published at 2:44 pm, so why change it that quick to 6 minutes BEFORE death?.

    To create a death-hoax story ?

    I can't see another reason, as they were the ones who broke the news anyway.
  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    but let's say they were in from the beggining - why would they post it 6 minutes before death?
  • GraceGrace Posts: 2,864
    Nostraharvey also KNEW up front that Propofol would be the cause of death:

    at times when all other sources were emphasizing Demerol.
  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    Nostraharvey also KNEW up front that Propofol would be the cause of death:

    at times when all other sources were emphasizing Demerol.

    Exactly.

    @Gina: TMZ didn't create a hoax, Michael did. We have more then just TMZ that proves it's a hoax (like the totally fake burial for instance). In my opinion, IF they altered the time, which we can't tell, it was to give a clue to hoaxers in the early days that they were on the right track.

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

  • wishingstarwishingstar Posts: 2,927
    I was watching TMZ on TV last night...just happened upon it. Sitting and watching it I realized something.....probably nothing, but thought I'd ask you guys. I always thought the show was taped all at one time, during one day. It's not. Last night while watching it I noticed that clothes, seating, lighting even drinks changed....multiple times. Is the show taped over the course of days?
    Anyways...it got me thinking about the hoax, of course. I have always thought things were shot/videoed on separate days. Then put together and released as fact for media to run with. The way TMZ presents their show, it seems like it's all done in one day, one continuous conversation among them etc.....but it's not. It's a seamless montage of recorded video.....at least last night's was.
    I don't know if this pertains to TMZ as being a hoax itself. But, it did make me stop and wonder. That's why I listed this under here.

    Blessings Always
  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
    It sorta seems similar to when the buildings came down on 9/ll, I think the same day they already knew it was Osama Bin Ladin, and that they knew he had warned them he'd do it a month before. In spite of pre-knowledge what do they do that very morning, run a test against terrorist attacks by grounding all the security military jets from warding off the hyjacked planes. Screams lies and a major fabricated story.

    The media has all these years been creating damning stories about MJ, and now the tables are turned and Michael is creating the stories with his own goals and purposes, with "a beginning, middle and ending." The connections of MJ being financially connected to TMZ have been clearly shown elselwhere, and I think that to make this believable by the world, TMZ had to act like the enemy with the Wacko Jacko stuff.
  • MichelleMichelle Posts: 325
    I was watching TMZ on TV last night...just happened upon it. Sitting and watching it I realized something.....probably nothing, but thought I'd ask you guys. I always thought the show was taped all at one time, during one day. It's not. Last night while watching it I noticed that clothes, seating, lighting even drinks changed....multiple times. Is the show taped over the course of days?
    Anyways...it got me thinking about the hoax, of course. I have always thought things were shot/videoed on separate days. Then put together and released as fact for media to run with. The way TMZ presents their show, it seems like it's all done in one day, one continuous conversation among them etc.....but it's not. It's a seamless montage of recorded video.....at least last night's was.
    I don't know if this pertains to TMZ as being a hoax itself. But, it did make me stop and wonder. That's why I listed this under here.

    Blessings Always

    This sounds pretty interesting, do you have a video for this by any chance? As i can't watch TMZ on tv, perhaps on their site......will check later.
  • wishingstarwishingstar Posts: 2,927
    I was watching TMZ on TV last night...just happened upon it. Sitting and watching it I realized something.....probably nothing, but thought I'd ask you guys. I always thought the show was taped all at one time, during one day. It's not. Last night while watching it I noticed that clothes, seating, lighting even drinks changed....multiple times. Is the show taped over the course of days?
    Anyways...it got me thinking about the hoax, of course. I have always thought things were shot/videoed on separate days. Then put together and released as fact for media to run with. The way TMZ presents their show, it seems like it's all done in one day, one continuous conversation among them etc.....but it's not. It's a seamless montage of recorded video.....at least last night's was.
    I don't know if this pertains to TMZ as being a hoax itself. But, it did make me stop and wonder. That's why I listed this under here.

    Blessings Always

    This sounds pretty interesting, do you have a video for this by any chance? As i can't watch TMZ on tv, perhaps on their site......will check later.

    Hey there....
    Sorry for the just-a-link, lol...but, yes TMZ.com has full episodes on their site. It's the one from 4/21.....interesting topics come up as well...the whole show seemed off to me for some reason....

    <!-- m -->http://www.tmz.com/tmz-tv/<!-- m -->

    Have a beautiful day!
    Blessings!
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