Tohme - Discover the Man You Never Knew
Andrea
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This post by guest “Flowergirl” got me thinking…what if Tohme Tohme is Michael in disguise?
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I was going to reply to it after giving it some thought but the guest forum is locked which is unfortunate but understandable. Is it that far-fetched to think that Michael is Tohme Tohme? I’ve never seen a photo of them together. And where has he gone and what was he doing before entering Michael’s life? Wouldn’t it be something if the “mystery man” behind MJ was Michael himself.
And is it coincidence that Tohme Tohme has a double name, like Dave Dave – another suspected MJ-in-disguise on Larry King?
Here’s an interesting video:
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I can do an accent similar to Tohme’s and it automatically lowers my voice. With Michael’s vocal training, it’s not a stretch that he could speak that low.
Michael Jackson gave permission for his phone conversation with June Gatlin to be recorded when he spoke of Tohme. Michael says he didn’t know what was going on with his accounts – does that make sense for someone with the genius to orchestrate this hoax? And he confessed his distrust of Tohme to June…June like June 25th? LOL.
Near the end of that youtube video, the reporter says Tohme spoke to him off camera (because he refused to appear on camera) saying, “The truth about everything will come out.” Sounds like a line from Jermaine or LaToya.
Who knows, maybe Michael needed to cut himself off from people he didn’t trust and used his “Tohme Tohme” character to do it. Or wanted to know their opinions of him which he could not get being himself. Maybe Michael was flexing his acting muscles by creating yet another character that he himself plays in his own Thriller 2 movie. He could've created this character (and others) to participate in the hoax "publicly" after June 25th. If Michael is Tohme, he has his reasons.
And I agree with flowergirl that it would be absolutely brilliant of Michael to be standing on the stage with Jermaine when his own “death” is announced. And if he was called to his own manslaughter trial to testify. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
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What do you guys think? Is there a thread on this that I missed? I certainly welcome agreement or de-bunkings as I am beginning to question my own sanity. <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> And thank you flowergirl for activating my mind! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
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Re: Keep Da Faith
by Flowergirl » Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:07 pm
I think Doctor Thome-Thome is MJ in disguise. I posted it on the old MJHD forum. There are no real pictures of him, but the ones from the news conference, when Jermaine announced that, "My brother, the King of Pop has died." MJ didn't mind letting the KOP die off. He is into doing films. I think he did V/Vendetta.
Wouldn't it just be entirely too much Brilliance (too much light around that coup) if your boy (MJ) was standing right next to his brother on that stage as he informed the entire world/planet that he was gone; yet he was standing really close by? Thome-Thome didn't have to talk to a soul if he didn't want to. By the way, did the LAPD speak to him, supposedly? Lol
Notice on second link how Thome's lips sort of turn up. MJ does that a lot. He is the only one of his brothers that does it. Is it a coincidence that Thome has that same lip action? Even the profile (way he's holding head) I've seen from MJ. He did it when he was 'Lil Michael, he still did it after he kissed Diana Ross upon her giving him his Hall of Fame award, and on and on.
If MJ can play the mayor on Ghosts, then he can play Thome-Thome. He could wear a fatter suit and so on.
Like I mentioned before, MJ is so rich and powerful that he can plant articles by asking someone that pulls the strings in the editorial departments of certain papers, TV News, etc. ABC News may be one of the ones that MJ can contact to plant a story. He probably planted all of that info about Thome-Thome. This is why the man and what he represented/represents is so confusing. MJ wanted it to be. They might not have quite known which character to use when acting as his personal physician on 6-25-09, and then decided on the fly. Remember, it took about two to three days before Murray was identified as the Doc. At first, Thome was being reported.
Senegal, the country stated that they'd never heard of him being the ambassador of their country. Lol Poster from Michaeljackson.com stated that he read that Thome had several aliases. I guess so if MJ is making people up like he sang about Dr. Murray in Smooth Criminal. I guess he was saying not only am I a Smooth Criminal and Operator, but I'm going to make Doctor Conray Murray into one, too. Lol
I knew when Thome supposedly gave that money (5.5M) back to the Estate that he was in on the Hoax, and not on any bad side. NO, he and Jermaine didn't plan MJ's demise. MJ thought quick on his feet, so he planted an article proclaiming that Thome gave back some money he was holding for MJ to buy Wonderland in Las Vegas. Lol He knew that there were stories out there stating that his mother depended on him for her keep, so he wanted to make sure the public thought that this 5.5M came into being just in time to keep her and his children ok. Please!
Thome was so-called quoted saying that he was the closest to Michael. I believe that, and especially if he is MJ. Lol On second link, he supposedly sat down with the AP. Anyone can write an article stating that they sat down and spoke to someone at the AP or anywhere else. And notice that the links no longer work on 2nd link as it pertains to his so-called website.
MJ planted EACH AND EVERY DETAIL pertaining to this fake character IMO. I ascertain that there is suppose to be twists and turns in any good 'ole fashioned murder mystery, indeed. I think this aspect is a very important one in this alternate Reality Game (ARG). I think MJ wants more than a little bit for folks to find the discrepancies and contradictions, rule this one in or out - and basically come up with the fact that, no murder was comitted. Period! It'll take the trial to do that.
I hope MJ testifies as DOCTOR THOME-THOME. Wouldn't that be a riot? MJ can change his speaking and singing voice. He is truly good at it.
Some think Jermaine and this Thome planned MJ's murder, and so on. I saw MJ at Planet Hollywood with Jermaine. From jump street, I never believed that mess. Some have made videos claiming that Jermaine and family sacrificed MJ for money and fame. I never watched them, but know about them. Many from the Hip-Hop community and young men and women at colleges believe it. If nothing else, MJ has caused a lot of people to think about it. Many thought he was murdered from the moment they heard the Breaking News - that MJ had "passed."
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I was going to reply to it after giving it some thought but the guest forum is locked which is unfortunate but understandable. Is it that far-fetched to think that Michael is Tohme Tohme? I’ve never seen a photo of them together. And where has he gone and what was he doing before entering Michael’s life? Wouldn’t it be something if the “mystery man” behind MJ was Michael himself.
And is it coincidence that Tohme Tohme has a double name, like Dave Dave – another suspected MJ-in-disguise on Larry King?
Here’s an interesting video:
[youtube:5dfz6wri]
I can do an accent similar to Tohme’s and it automatically lowers my voice. With Michael’s vocal training, it’s not a stretch that he could speak that low.
Michael Jackson gave permission for his phone conversation with June Gatlin to be recorded when he spoke of Tohme. Michael says he didn’t know what was going on with his accounts – does that make sense for someone with the genius to orchestrate this hoax? And he confessed his distrust of Tohme to June…June like June 25th? LOL.
Near the end of that youtube video, the reporter says Tohme spoke to him off camera (because he refused to appear on camera) saying, “The truth about everything will come out.” Sounds like a line from Jermaine or LaToya.
Who knows, maybe Michael needed to cut himself off from people he didn’t trust and used his “Tohme Tohme” character to do it. Or wanted to know their opinions of him which he could not get being himself. Maybe Michael was flexing his acting muscles by creating yet another character that he himself plays in his own Thriller 2 movie. He could've created this character (and others) to participate in the hoax "publicly" after June 25th. If Michael is Tohme, he has his reasons.
And I agree with flowergirl that it would be absolutely brilliant of Michael to be standing on the stage with Jermaine when his own “death” is announced. And if he was called to his own manslaughter trial to testify. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Remember the This Is It posters – “Discover The Man You Never Knew” and “Like You’ve Never Seen Him Before.”
What do you guys think? Is there a thread on this that I missed? I certainly welcome agreement or de-bunkings as I am beginning to question my own sanity. <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> And thank you flowergirl for activating my mind! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
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I still have to think about Thome-Thome, but it is absolutely interesting!
L.O.V.E
Thome-Thome guy was created by Michael for sure, I'm still not sure if it's Michael himself, but the character Thome-Thome has a very important role to play. To show people that Michael was controlled by other people, trusted to the wrong guys (Thome-Thome very weird and scary, i would not want to be near him) can't stand his ground and his interests. Which is soooooo not true!!! If Michael was really THAT weak, he could never become Michael Jackson, The King of Pop. To be on the top of Music Industry for 40 years, you HAVE to be in control of everything. His enemies were trying to break him so many times, but NEVER gave up. I will never believe that Michael was "deathly afraid" of this one dude.
I have this thought in my mind of WHY he created Thome-Thome, but i just can't catch it, keeps on running away <!-- s --><!-- s -->
What are your thoughts Andrea of why Thome-Thome was created?
That's the question Kristina - WHY?
Maybe Tohme Tohme was created (I think like you - either MJ himself or someone MJ hired) to scare other people away from Michael...? Not those he trusted but the vultures who surrounded him. Because suddenly you had to get through TT to get to MJ. So that TT could be sent in Michael's stead and possibly find out more than he would have being himself. To create a character for the lead-up to June 25th to make people believe that Michael was surrounded by the wrong kind of people as he may have been at different times over the years. Perhaps TT is an exaggeration of people Michael has encountered. I just think Michael is too smart to let someone come in and take over his life like that, it doesn't make any sense. Believing that is like believing drugs ruled Michael's life. TT could be an undercover FBI agent for all we know. I just think Tohme Tohme has his role like everybody else in the hoax and it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be yet another elaborate disguise.
It would be awesome makeup if it's MJ. Just like all the other possibilities - Murray, Dave Dave, Hat Man, blond lady, old man in Hollywood Tonight video, etc. Could you just imagine if a part of the hoax is for a movie - when the credits roll - Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson and so on... <!-- s --><!-- s -->
I don't know how to use the technology to post photos side by side but I was trying to see if it looks as if TT is a disguise. I gotta say, there is something about the eyes in a couple of photos that feel/look very much like Michaels. And I think FG is right about the curled up lip. Of course, the power of suggestion is exactly that - powerful. But, I've been studying the art of disguise and reviewing the making of Ghosts, etc. I'm also curious as to how tall TT is. In any case, it's completely plausible to create a look like this and not know that it's MJ. MJ did say he could fool his own mother and he's had his entire life to perfect this "art" as well as having every resource in the world to do it. When you look at the make-up, disguises and special affects in Ghosts, it is clear that MJ is taking it to another level.
Not only would it be brilliant for Michael to be in disguise as TT, it would not be implausible to believe that the MJ you see TT pushing in a wheelchair is someone else. Hence,the real MJ is pushing "MJ" around in the wheelchair. Same is possible for O2 conference and many of us already believe that the O2 guy isn't MJ. Illusion upon illusion, layer upon layer. Doubles, doubles, everywhere. Riddles wrapped in mysteries tied up in magic.
MJ as TT still needs investigation, but it is not a ridiculous notion and should be explored further. At least considered. Why not? And many note how scary TT looks. Well...
And the why? To catch these crooks in the act. And get his 5.5 million dollars back that he (TT) then gave to his (MJ's) momma (lol) I'm sure there could be a lot that "TT" rectified.
How brilliant to be introduced as Thome Thome and sit in the meetings of your own business partners, attorneys, staff and they not know you are MJ? Wouldn't you like to hear what people have to say about you and what they're doing behind Michael's back and then fire their asses left and right? TT was TCB!! <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
but then these photos (presented here) are from the 02 announcement, and that might not be the real michael.
Using Flowergirl's words from one of her lovely insulting posts.
There are many more where that came from. What I want to know is: Why are some of you Soldiers ok with the likes of someone who comes onto the board and insults every single one of us? There was no distinction in her posts regarding the insulting language.
Is that ok with you all because somehow you have got it in your mind that those words weren't being spoken about you? Those critisizing and harsh words weren't meant for you? That must be it. That must be the reason some Soldiers have allowed someone to come on the board as a guest and talk smack about your fellow Soldiers (who have been here for a long time: ride or die with you all). Is that what we can count on some of you for? Stabbing us in the back and siding with a hypocritical "new" guest?
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and then to turn around and post nothing but gossip regarding MJ and Diana's personal business. Also if it isn't our business to know what is going on in the Encino house; it sure would not be our business to know stuff like who he is in love with or may be in love with. From what I gather MJ is very private about his love life and he has that right. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
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Where did It is none of our business go? <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: -->
I ask these things here since the other thread is locked and I would of asked in there anyways. Now to answer the question of MJ being Tohme Tohme; nice theory but um no he is not because Tohme is about to testify in the trial soon and MJ would be risking himself to much in a open court room. Doing skits in a closed and secure set like when he did Dave Dave is totally different. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
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So from that i was thinking again about WHY TT was created and the easiest explanation that i could find was that Michael wanted to create the most BIZARRE story around him to make people actually think and try to find out the truth. TT and CM were created for us, fans, to dig dipper and find out about the hoax. Of course for people who don't care about Michael is easy to believe in all these lies, because they don't know who Michael really is. And this story is also good for his enemies, if they knew about TT and "drug addiction" before Michael "died" they would not bother anymore to destroy him, because he already destroyed himself without their help. They will not need to kill him, because what can a "drug addicted" person, who on top of that is controlled by some weird guy, can actually do? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
These are just some thoughts i had. Let me know what you all think. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I did see Flowergirl's other posts but the one I used in this thread was the one that got me thinking, despite everything else she said in other posts. I wanted to reply directly to that one particular post but couldn't as the guest forum is locked. And because her post on Tohme Tohme got me thinking, I started this thread but wanted to give credit where credit was due as the possibility of MJ being Tohme wasn't my idea. I was simply going with what got me thinking. I meant no disrespect to you by using one of her posts so I hope you don't feel that way. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
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I just felt that more of us should have said to her from the get go we won't tolerate her talking smack to/about fellow members instead of ignoring her rudeness and even agreeing with her statements. If she understood that her words were rude and she then just posted her thoughts/opinions without the snide condesending remarks, no problem.
We do not allow fellow members who have been on here a long time disrepect each other; why should it be any different when a guest comes along? <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
That is all I was wanting to know.
Peace
Here is a paragraph of an alleged interview with Tohme Tohme in 2009, there are things he said in that interview that remind me of Michael.
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The photos of Tohme with the O2 MJ - it would be so funny if MJ was disguised as Tohme and a double was "MJ". Wouldn't surprise me! <!-- s --><!-- s -->
I agree Kristina that the TT character could've been created as a distraction for Michael's enemies. They aren't going to think Michael is that much of a threat if he can be so easily controlled by one man and is seemingly under the influence of drugs (in their eyes). Not only did Michael create characters around him, he also created a skewed character of himself that was seen in the media. Those closest to Michael would know otherwise, but to the tabloids Michael was labelled a drug addict and weak. A mere shadow of his former self. HA! I don't think so!