What if there was no hoax?

angranityangranity Posts: 339
edited April 2011 in General Hoax Investigation
I am a believer, but sometimes I get that feeling.. "what if the hoax, is a hoax?", - just wanted to let you know and share opinions in here. Do you get this feeling sometimes? What if it's actually all a coincidence? In life, everything can be possible and people do everything to make fun of the believers. As they call as like.. "crazy" or something (for believing the hoax).

I don't want to disappoint anyone. I am still a believer but sometimes I just think "what if he actually died?" - and we would be doing this for nothing. Almost the same as trying to find something that doesn't exist.

Blessings.

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  • allforloveallforlove Posts: 299
    I am a believer, but sometimes I get that feeling.. "what if the hoax, is a hoax?", - just wanted to let you know and share opinions in here. Do you get this feeling sometimes? What if it's actually all a coincidence? In life, everything can be possible and people do everything to make fun of the believers. As they call as like.. "crazy" or something (for believing the hoax).

    I don't want to disappoint anyone. I am still a believer but sometimes I just think "what if he actually died?" - and we would be doing this for nothing. Almost the same as trying to find something that doesn't exist.

    Blessings.
    There is already a topic with the same name, here you go.
    http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=6523
  • angranityangranity Posts: 339
    I am a believer, but sometimes I get that feeling.. "what if the hoax, is a hoax?", - just wanted to let you know and share opinions in here. Do you get this feeling sometimes? What if it's actually all a coincidence? In life, everything can be possible and people do everything to make fun of the believers. As they call as like.. "crazy" or something (for believing the hoax).

    I don't want to disappoint anyone. I am still a believer but sometimes I just think "what if he actually died?" - and we would be doing this for nothing. Almost the same as trying to find something that doesn't exist.

    Blessings.
    There is already a topic with the same name, here you go.
    http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=6523
    Damn it. I should've thought of that. Hopefully a moderator doesn't get angry for making another thread about the same subject. Because this is different, this is "how I feel about it". No? Dunno. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
  • allforloveallforlove Posts: 299
    I am a believer, but sometimes I get that feeling.. "what if the hoax, is a hoax?", - just wanted to let you know and share opinions in here. Do you get this feeling sometimes? What if it's actually all a coincidence? In life, everything can be possible and people do everything to make fun of the believers. As they call as like.. "crazy" or something (for believing the hoax).

    I don't want to disappoint anyone. I am still a believer but sometimes I just think "what if he actually died?" - and we would be doing this for nothing. Almost the same as trying to find something that doesn't exist.

    Blessings.
    There is already a topic with the same name, here you go.
    http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=6523
    Damn it. I should've thought of that. Hopefully a moderator doesn't get angry for making another thread about the same subject. Because this is different, this is "how I feel about it". No? Dunno. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
    I see what you mean. Maybe you can edit this topic into another name? Then everyone is satisfied. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
  • angranityangranity Posts: 339
    I am a believer, but sometimes I get that feeling.. "what if the hoax, is a hoax?", - just wanted to let you know and share opinions in here. Do you get this feeling sometimes? What if it's actually all a coincidence? In life, everything can be possible and people do everything to make fun of the believers. As they call as like.. "crazy" or something (for believing the hoax).

    I don't want to disappoint anyone. I am still a believer but sometimes I just think "what if he actually died?" - and we would be doing this for nothing. Almost the same as trying to find something that doesn't exist.

    Blessings.
    There is already a topic with the same name, here you go.
    http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=6523
    Damn it. I should've thought of that. Hopefully a moderator doesn't get angry for making another thread about the same subject. Because this is different, this is "how I feel about it". No? Dunno. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
    I see what you mean. Maybe you can edit this topic into another name? Then everyone is satisfied. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
    Okay, I changed it. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
  • allforloveallforlove Posts: 299
    I am a believer, but sometimes I get that feeling.. "what if the hoax, is a hoax?", - just wanted to let you know and share opinions in here. Do you get this feeling sometimes? What if it's actually all a coincidence? In life, everything can be possible and people do everything to make fun of the believers. As they call as like.. "crazy" or something (for believing the hoax).

    I don't want to disappoint anyone. I am still a believer but sometimes I just think "what if he actually died?" - and we would be doing this for nothing. Almost the same as trying to find something that doesn't exist.

    Blessings.
    There is already a topic with the same name, here you go.
    http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=6523
    Damn it. I should've thought of that. Hopefully a moderator doesn't get angry for making another thread about the same subject. Because this is different, this is "how I feel about it". No? Dunno. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
    I see what you mean. Maybe you can edit this topic into another name? Then everyone is satisfied. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
    Okay, I changed it. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
    Okay,now we can talk about the subject .Let's see, do I believe all the things that happenend over almost 2 years are just coicidences?
    Hell no. All the slip ups, the pains instead of pain,no death certificate signed by a doctor, and 3 different autopsy reports.The timeline of the 911 call, and from where it was called.So many versions who was where when it happened or how he "died". I could go on and on, there's too many to just wipe away.
  • Lovely OneLovely One Posts: 430
    I have asked myself this same question many times .....
    There are far too many of us who see and feel the same things for this hoax not
    to be real. The one thing I am not sure of is how did Michael know that we would
    pick up on the hoax?? Well in order to do that, he had to make things SUPER OBVIOUS!
    Think of the stuffed animals, the garbage cans, all of the hints (Liberian Girl pics) etc.....
    If things wouldn't have been so obvious and ridiculous (The TMZ and Murray stuff for example)
    then we may have never looked this hard into it.
    This is definitely the hoax of the century. I wish more people were paying attention.
  • voiceforthesilentvoiceforthesilent Posts: 5,485
    I have asked myself this same question many times .....
    There are far too many of us who see and feel the same things for this hoax not
    to be real. The one thing I am not sure of is how did Michael know that we would
    pick up on the hoax?? Well in order to do that, he had to make things SUPER OBVIOUS!
    Think of the stuffed animals, the garbage cans, all of the hints (Liberian Girl pics) etc.....
    If things wouldn't have been so obvious and ridiculous (The TMZ and Murray stuff for example)
    then we may have never looked this hard into it.
    This is definitely the hoax of the century. I wish more people were paying attention.

    LOL - I've asked myself that question more than a few times because I am somewhat of a realist. I am black or white most of the time. If I say I'll do something I do it. So, as you can see I'm going crazy in this gray world where everything makes sense but at the same time nothing makes sense.

    With God there are no coincidences. If this is not a hoax then God preordained every one of these events to happen at each exact time and Michael has lived in perfect union with God's Will his whole life in order for them to happen. Think of the Pepsi accident being exactly 1/2 way into his life. So, do I believe this is what happened? No. I do believe Michael is being used by God to spread love, joy, and peace but he's a human being who's made mistakes like the rest of us. There would not be this many "coincidences" that all lined up to the events of June 25, 2009 unless it was planned. Just my opinion.

    I've thought the same thing - how did Michael know that the hoax would be picked up on? He took a huge risk. But I think he knows human nature well enough to know that some people would smell a fake. He laid the groundwork and set up the carrot on the stick to lead us to that rabbit hole. I also think that he's made enough allowances (as you've stated) that those who want to see will see. He's been hinting to his fans for years. I believe that he knows that some of his fans just won't believe but that it will be okay in the end because he'll be alive. They have a huge lesson to learn about believing everything they see or read in the media - and they will learn it when he returns (after they pick themselves up from fainting)

    Bottom line for me is there is no such thing as coincidence and there is no such thing as Michael's death on June 25,2009 being coincidental. It was planned. Blessings.
  • Lovely OneLovely One Posts: 430
    I have asked myself this same question many times .....
    There are far too many of us who see and feel the same things for this hoax not
    to be real. The one thing I am not sure of is how did Michael know that we would
    pick up on the hoax?? Well in order to do that, he had to make things SUPER OBVIOUS!
    Think of the stuffed animals, the garbage cans, all of the hints (Liberian Girl pics) etc.....
    If things wouldn't have been so obvious and ridiculous (The TMZ and Murray stuff for example)
    then we may have never looked this hard into it.
    This is definitely the hoax of the century. I wish more people were paying attention.

    LOL - I've asked myself that question more than a few times because I am somewhat of a realist. I am black or white most of the time. If I say I'll do something I do it. So, as you can see I'm going crazy in this gray world where everything makes sense but at the same time nothing makes sense.

    With God there are no coincidences. If this is not a hoax then God preordained every one of these events to happen at each exact time and Michael has lived in perfect union with God's Will his whole life in order for them to happen. Think of the Pepsi accident being exactly 1/2 way into his life. So, do I believe this is what happened? No. I do believe Michael is being used by God to spread love, joy, and peace but he's a human being who's made mistakes like the rest of us. There would not be this many "coincidences" that all lined up to the events of June 25, 2009 unless it was planned. Just my opinion.

    I've thought the same thing - how did Michael know that the hoax would be picked up on? He took a huge risk. But I think he knows human nature well enough to know that some people would smell a fake. He laid the groundwork and set up the carrot on the stick to lead us to that rabbit hole. I also think that he's made enough allowances (as you've stated) that those who want to see will see. He's been hinting to his fans for years. I believe that he knows that some of his fans just won't believe but that it will be okay in the end because he'll be alive. They have a huge lesson to learn about believing everything they see or read in the media - and they will learn it when he returns (after they pick themselves up from fainting)

    Bottom line for me is there is no such thing as coincidence and there is no such thing as Michael's death on June 25,2009 being coincidental. It was planned. Blessings.

    EXACTLY!! TOO many coincidents!! Michael being the genius that he is, KNEW exactly how to reel us into the
    rabbit hole!!! I am just glad that I followed the hoax since July of 09'! I feel bad for people who are new to
    all of this and they have to catch up! There is so much material on this to read and see that you could spend
    a good couple of months trying to piece it all together.
    But think of how lucky you are to have witnessed this spectacular adventure!!! When this is over, this
    forum will probably be flooded with people trying to start from the beginning. People who thought we
    were crazy and non-believers will be looking for our information. This will be turned into a cult classic.
    IF you are reading this forum or have participated in the hoax in any way, consider yourself lucky! This
    hoax has been a blessing in the strangest of ways.
  • sandythymesandythyme Posts: 365
    I agree what is being said. When I feel down and think what if the hoax is a hoax, I think of the many things you all have mentioned. Plus this.....a long time ago one of our members posted something very interesting to me. When I feel sad I think of this. The person doesn't post here anymore and I can't think of who it even was but look up the actor Vaughn Taylor, he was an actor, the late 50's early 60's are very interesting. He was in some television shows, perry Mason and others. He was in Thiller, This is it.... 1960 season 1 episode 8, The court of Last Resort - The Case of Conrad Murray 11/15 1957, Season 1 Episode 7. He was in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof with our very own Liz Taylor. Take a look for yourself. This is what keeps me going <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaughn_Taylor_%28actor%29<!-- m -->. Scroll down and click on Vaughn Taylor and then click under Perry Mason all 8 episodes and hold onto your hat. He was even in Jail House Rock with Elvis. He was in SOOOOOO many shows and movies that it's hard to focus on everything but take a look. Take care, Love to All
  • mumof3mumof3 Posts: 1,973
    I know what you mean and sometimes I feel it's cruel to think it is a hoax I feel I am doing something wrong but there are so many strange unexplainable things that have happened I was here from the start but if I am wrong and Michael has gone I will be horrified at all the mistakes and injustice
  • fordtocarrfordtocarr Posts: 1,547
    I'll jump on the "I think, idea".
    I think, that right from "the beginning" Michael had to make sure to implant doubt. How many of us, listening to the reports on all the tv channels, were flipping from channel to channel, internet pages too? We wanted BREAKING NEWS of Michael Jackson. And the reports were varied. I think he had different people saying different things to the press they were taking to. Then low and behold, the scoop came from ... TMZ, A TABLOID!
    I think there were actually millions of people, and those in the media, that thought it was all too odd, and didn't fit. That it could've been a hoax in the making. It never did add up right from the first phone call, did it?
    However, through time some gave up and it is easier to just say, well, he died, or he must not be coming back, but he's alive. Thus the need to continue giving new clues. These really aren't clues we didn't catch as they came out, but NEW clues happening.
    I think we all have doubt, because of the time factor, and because most of the world don't believe. But, that don't make it wrong to believe. If everyone believed, the hoax would NOT work. All we can do, is keep reading the very first reasons that brought us to the hoax, and wait. There wouldn't be continuing clues if it were not a hoax. Maybe in the beginning we could've twisted things to fit a hoax, but to keep having things happen? It can't just keep on unless it's planted.
    Have faith, or just wait. What do you have to lose? Become sad, you'd be even sadder to think Michael had died.
    LOVE
  • angranityangranity Posts: 339
    Thanks for all the replies. I'm relieved to see I'm not the only one to live in doubt (sometimes).

    Now that I think about it, Michael must've been a real genius. But being a realist, I sometimes really wonder. A hoax like this shouldn't be possible. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
  • DatrootDatroot Posts: 1,314
    I watched a programme the other day which featured a court, and they had stuffed animals in the court. So I am thinking that this is normal for some courts in the U.S. Otherwise, there are still too many things that don't add up.
  • alovesmichaelalovesmichael Posts: 903
    I am a believer, but sometimes I get that feeling.. "what if the hoax, is a hoax?", - just wanted to let you know and share opinions in here. Do you get this feeling sometimes? What if it's actually all a coincidence? In life, everything can be possible and people do everything to make fun of the believers. As they call as like.. "crazy" or something (for believing the hoax).

    I don't want to disappoint anyone. I am still a believer but sometimes I just think "what if he actually died?" - and we would be doing this for nothing. Almost the same as trying to find something that doesn't exist.

    Blessings.

    You know questioning things both ways is healthier than being set on one thing when there are still things that hasn't been explained, or migh never will be <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( --> But that's just my opinion. There might be too many coincidences but does that necessarily mean Michael is alive? Imo, no. But someone or some people are covering something up, that's for sure! I just don't know what it is and for what exact reason (probably as simple as monetary reasons but that's still just speculation), and I just want the truth <!-- s:cry: -->:cry:<!-- s:cry: --> Just watched Janet's interview on Dateline and it was painful <!-- s:cry: -->:cry:<!-- s:cry: --> I miss Michael so much...
  • diggyondiggyon Posts: 1,376
    Okay, I'll tell you my opinion about this......... may be my opinion can help people understand certain things better!

    The hoax cannot be a hoax for several reasons:

    1. There are no coincidences in this world.

    2. The death circumstances were very suspicious and not logic. That's why many people rushed to the internet to discover the truth about what really happened.

    3. The numerology is just perfect..........remember.... there are no coincidences in the world.

    4. We discovered so many things during our great adventure: NWO, Mind Control victims, Illuminati, HAARP, the end of the world ,even the music industry was exposed to us!!!!! If the hoax was a hoax we wouldn't have discovered anything at all...... and I'm sure some would have found this whole thing only a waste of time for the main subjest for discussion would have been Michaels golden pants and great shirts. But the number of the users is increasing. This is a sign that knowledge is being spread in a way or another through this hoax. We just discover more stuff day by day. If this was all a hoax I bet we wouldn't have found out anything at all.

    5. If the hoax was a hoax the Jackson family members would have been the first ones to complain about this site for creating lies about Michael (death hoax in that case)... Well they never mentioned anything at all..... For me it's a sign of acceptance.

    6. Michael loves mystery!!!! This is something he is very good at.

    7. We should never loose the faith. Michael's message in "This is it" was very clear. If we really believe him, then we don' t have much time to save the world. And this hoax is about saving the world by spreading awareness and knowledge.

    So these are my reasons to believe that the hoax is not a hoax at all.

    Hope I helped those who sometimes get confused.

    Blessings
  • angranityangranity Posts: 339
    Okay, I'll tell you my opinion about this......... may be my opinion can help people understand certain things better!

    The hoax cannot be a hoax for several reasons:

    1. There are no coincidences in this world.

    2. The death circumstances were very suspicious and not logic. That's why many people rushed to the internet to discover the truth about what really happened.

    3. The numerology is just perfect..........remember.... there are no coincidences in the world.

    4. We discovered so many things during our great adventure: NWO, Mind Control victims, Illuminati, HAARP, the end of the world ,even the music industry was exposed to us!!!!! If the hoax was a hoax we wouldn't have discovered anything at all...... and I'm sure some would have found this whole thing only a waste of time for the main subjest for discussion would have been Michaels golden pants and great shirts. But the number of the users is increasing. This is a sign that knowledge is being spread in a way or another through this hoax. We just discover more stuff day by day. If this was all a hoax I bet we wouldn't have found out anything at all.

    5. If the hoax was a hoax the Jackson family members would have been the first ones to complain about this site for creating lies about Michael (death hoax in that case)... Well they never mentioned anything at all..... For me it's a sign of acceptance.

    6. Michael loves mystery!!!! This is something he is very good at.

    7. We should never loose the faith. Michael's message in "This is it" was very clear. If we really believe him, then we don' t have much time to save the world. And this hoax is about saving the world by spreading awareness and knowledge.

    So these are my reasons to believe that the hoax is not a hoax at all.

    Hope I helped those who sometimes get confused.

    Blessings
    I really like what you're saying, diggyon. What you just wrote made my day way better than what it is, - because it's very convincing!

    Okay, here is one thing I want to share with everyone and I hope at least someone reads it. You know these things that put you down? Reading news 'bout Michael Jackson at TMZ (Conrad Murray, etc) & Michael's Facebook page. Tribute songs and books, - these really put me down and make me think he is dead (but I don't think like that anymore). Because I've discovered something that someone else may have discovered before but that must've been a while ago.

    Who is the Mysterious Man behind Murray? (and others)

    I have this feeling that Michael Jackson is the one who plans every single word of his children, (other family) - celebrities connected to him & Murray. He is the mystery man behind this all. He wants to keep it going because no one should know about it, yet. The time isn't right! All of this has been scripted.. Which is really weird, and also very fascinating! <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->

    Michael must've been such a genius (genious?)

    jfw0f7.png
  • diggyondiggyon Posts: 1,376
    Okay, I'll tell you my opinion about this......... may be my opinion can help people understand certain things better!

    The hoax cannot be a hoax for several reasons:

    1. There are no coincidences in this world.

    2. The death circumstances were very suspicious and not logic. That's why many people rushed to the internet to discover the truth about what really happened.

    3. The numerology is just perfect..........remember.... there are no coincidences in the world.

    4. We discovered so many things during our great adventure: NWO, Mind Control victims, Illuminati, HAARP, the end of the world ,even the music industry was exposed to us!!!!! If the hoax was a hoax we wouldn't have discovered anything at all...... and I'm sure some would have found this whole thing only a waste of time for the main subjest for discussion would have been Michaels golden pants and great shirts. But the number of the users is increasing. This is a sign that knowledge is being spread in a way or another through this hoax. We just discover more stuff day by day. If this was all a hoax I bet we wouldn't have found out anything at all.

    5. If the hoax was a hoax the Jackson family members would have been the first ones to complain about this site for creating lies about Michael (death hoax in that case)... Well they never mentioned anything at all..... For me it's a sign of acceptance.

    6. Michael loves mystery!!!! This is something he is very good at.

    7. We should never loose the faith. Michael's message in "This is it" was very clear. If we really believe him, then we don' t have much time to save the world. And this hoax is about saving the world by spreading awareness and knowledge.

    So these are my reasons to believe that the hoax is not a hoax at all.

    Hope I helped those who sometimes get confused.

    Blessings
    I really like what you're saying, diggyon. What you just wrote made my day way better than what it is, - because it's very convincing!

    Okay, here is one thing I want to share with everyone and I hope at least someone reads it. You know these things that put you down? Reading news 'bout Michael Jackson at TMZ (Conrad Murray, etc) & Michael's Facebook page. Tribute songs and books, - these really put me down and make me think he is dead (but I don't think like that anymore). Because I've discovered something that someone else may have discovered before but that must've been a while ago.

    Who is the Mysterious Man behind Murray? (and others)

    I have this feeling that Michael Jackson is the one who plans every single word of his children, (other family) - celebrities connected to him & Murray. He is the mystery man behind this all. He wants to keep it going because no one should know about it, yet. The time isn't right! All of this has been scripted.. Which is really weird, and also very fascinating! <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->

    Michael must've been such a genius (genious?)

    jfw0f7.png

    Well, the only thing I can say is: enjoy the adventure..... It's unique...... it's mysterious.......it's just great.....
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