Case and Murray being called a LIAR by an insider....

alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
edited January 1970 in Dr. Conrad Murray
I'm watching HLN right now and this OTHER DOCTOR that MJ supposedly hired is saying that Murray was pressuring other doctors to give MJ propofol. Typical freemason! ::) OMG! WTF?? What do you all on here think about that???!
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  • all4loveandbelieveall4loveandbelieve Posts: 4,455
    alfarle who is the other doctor? Now you will see lots of controversy coming around the corner.  lolol/
  • alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
    on 1318202246:
    <br />alfarle who is the other doctor? Now you will see lots of controversy coming around the corner.  lolol/<br />
    <br /><br /><br />Awwww....gee..I think his name starts with an 'A'. I didn't catch his name exactly because as sooooooonnnn as I heard the info, I rushed to the cpu to inform you all. Wow....I will continue listening to see if I catch his name  :)
  • alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
    They're discussing on hln how MJ was telling Conrad Murray that he liked to inject himself w/propofol....and now they are on commercial. Upcoming discussion will include some voicemails and audio(I suppose) of Murray discussing the injection matter with some detectives in a hotel.
  • hesouttamylifehesouttamylife Posts: 5,393
    That kinda pissed me off when I heard Murray say that about Michael.  Then I had to pinch myself and remember it’s just a movie.  No way in hell would Michael tell Murray that.  Question:  Was Murray under subpoeana when he made all these declarations?  If not then would this not constitute him having broken his oath of confidentiality?  Just wondering.
  • DontwalkawayDontwalkaway Posts: 849
    I just watched a video on MJHoaxlive a few hours ago.  There is a video of an interview of a man who was at the courthouse.  He mentions another doctor, Dr. Adams.    It seems as though there was another doctor or an unknown person in the house.  Latoya said this also.  She mentions another unknown person. 
  • PureLovePureLove Posts: 5,891
    I personally do not care what they say about this addiction issue. I never believed and will never believe that Michael was or is addicted to Propofol. I don't believe Murray is guilty. He's in on the hoax and he is doing his part. That's it. I don't care who says what. I'm a knower and my ears are closed to these kind of BS. I still listen but do not pay much attention. I trust and believe Michael. Everything is under his control. So nothing can scare me or make me lose my faith. Enjoy the ride everyone coz it is about to be over. ;)
  • scorpionchikscorpionchik Posts: 2,669
    I don't believe Murray is in hoax and think he is guilty in more than just involuntary manslaughter. That's the  main subject of the hoax.
  • simplymesimplyme Posts: 649
    on 1318205024:
    <br />That kinda pissed me off when I heard Murray say that about Michael.  Then I had to pinch myself and remember it’s just a movie.  No way in hell would Michael tell Murray that.  Question:  Was Murray under subpoeana when he made all these declarations?  If not then would this not constitute him having broken his oath of confidentiality?  Just wondering.<br />
    <br /> <br />I think that Michael used propofol when he was touring and probably anxiety medicine when touring.  Other than that I don't believe he was an addict.  He would tell Dr. Murray things.  He trusted him enough to have him in his bedroom.
  • DontwalkawayDontwalkaway Posts: 849
    I know it's a hoax and the trial is a movie.  Conrad is an actor but do you think he could be a double agent.  That means he could be secretly doing things for the illuminati or freemasons and not think that anyone would find out.  But maybe they did and are setting him up ?????  Maybe he is completely innocent ?????  I guess we will find out soon.  Maybe the whole trial is just a movie to teach us about the media.  Maybe some people will be set up such as the drug companies ????   
  • alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
    on 1318205024:
    <br />That kinda pissed me off when I heard Murray say that about Michael.  Then I had to pinch myself and remember it’s just a movie.  No way in hell would Michael tell Murray that.  Question:  Was Murray under subpoeana when he made all these declarations?  If not then would this not constitute him having broken his oath of confidentiality?  Just wondering.<br />
    <br /><br />It was really upsetting to me too. Yes, MJ did have some problems w/med usage ...but it's a shame how ppl/media will take it to the extreme like he would want to kill himself including hurting his children, siblings, parents, AND fans. It also upset me to even hear my mom say that MJ just wanted to slip away from the world and that he was so hurt , he didn't care to end his life...BUT now she's a believer because I convince her DAILY what MJ was all about and what this hoax is about as well.
  • alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
    on 1318205447:
    <br />I just watched a video on MJHoaxlive a few hours ago.  There is a video of an interview of a man who was at the courthouse.  He mentions another doctor, Dr. Adams.    It seems as though there was another doctor or an unknown person in the house.  Latoya said this also.  She mentions another unknown person. <br />
    <br /><br /><br />YES! It was Dr.Adams! Thanks for pointing that out. :) I didn't catch the name @ 1st.
  • alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
    on 1318208880:
    <br />I know it's a hoax and the trial is a movie.  Conrad is an actor but do you think he could be a double agent.  That means he could be secretly doing things for the illuminati or freemasons and not think that anyone would find out.  But maybe they did and are setting him up ?????  Maybe he is completely innocent ?????  I guess we will find out soon.  Maybe the whole trial is just a movie to teach us about the media.  Maybe some people will be set up such as the drug companies ????  <br />
    <br /><br />I was thinking the same thing @ some point. That's why LaToya said that Murray is the FALL GUY and that she already knows what the verdict is. Also...Murray's gf is an aspiring actress correct? Then birds of a feather flock 2gether. lol. lolol/
  • all4loveandbelieveall4loveandbelieve Posts: 4,455
    on 1318205024:
    <br />That kinda pissed me off when I heard Murray say that about Michael.  Then I had to pinch myself and remember it’s just a movie.  No way in hell would Michael tell Murray that.  Question:  Was Murray under subpoeana when he made all these declarations?  If not then would this not constitute him having broken his oath of confidentiality?  Just wondering.<br />
    <br /> <br />What subpoeana, if you heard the tape you heard back round people laughing, plates banging, talking screaming etc.. That is not good evidence to me..
  • voiceforthesilentvoiceforthesilent Posts: 5,485
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    <br />That kinda pissed me off when I heard Murray say that about Michael.  Then I had to pinch myself and remember it’s just a movie.  No way in hell would Michael tell Murray that.  Question:  Was Murray under subpoeana when he made all these declarations?  If not then would this not constitute him having broken his oath of confidentiality?  Just wondering.<br />
    <br /><br />It was really upsetting to me too. Yes, MJ did have some problems w/med usage ...but it's a shame how ppl/media will take it to the extreme like he would want to kill himself including hurting his children, siblings, parents, AND fans. It also upset me to even hear my mom say that MJ just wanted to slip away from the world and that he was so hurt , he didn't care to end his life...BUT now she's a believer because I convince her DAILY what MJ was all about and what this hoax is about as well. <br />
    <br /><br />Alfarie - I hope you don't mind if I give you some loving advice. I really appreciate you, I do. Thank you for taking the time to fill us in on what you've heard. But sometimes it's helpful to find out if there is a taped video of the interview/show that you are watching or even transcripts that we can read. Is there a website? It makes it easier for the rest of us to follow and see exactly what you are looking at.<br /><br />I agree with PureLove - I see these things but I am not affected by it. I was not a Michael Jackson fan before June 25, 2009 and even back then I didn't believe he had issues with drugs. I still don't. I think that you are taking too much to heart what you see and hear in the news and tabloids. Please don't. That's part of what this hoax is about. Take everything you've learned about Michael, the man, by watching his interviews, his shows, reading his books and those that he's endorsed. Listen to people like Aphrodite Jones and Tom Meserreau. You start to get a picture of a far different person than what the media displays.<br /><br />About the drug use, to my knowledge Michael only stated once that he was seeking help for addiction to pain killers and that was decades ago. It's my opinion that he wasn't addicted then either but used it as an excuse to hide out while he sorted through the first round of accusations.<br /><br />Even though the family has made statements regarding drug use they have pretty much contradicted each others stories. So, until Michael says it I won't believe it. If Michael ever had reason to be drugged up it would have been during the 2005 trial yet Mr. Meserreau said there was no sign of drug use.<br /><br />Again, I really appreciate your zealousness. Thank you for sharing this with us. We need to remember that what we write can be found on the Internet with searches so let's make sure to state that it's our "opinion" and not "fact".<br /><br /> bearhug <br /><br />Blessings
  • alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
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    <br />That kinda pissed me off when I heard Murray say that about Michael.  Then I had to pinch myself and remember it’s just a movie.  No way in hell would Michael tell Murray that.  Question:  Was Murray under subpoeana when he made all these declarations?  If not then would this not constitute him having broken his oath of confidentiality?  Just wondering.<br />
    <br /><br />It was really upsetting to me too. Yes, MJ did have some problems w/med usage ...but it's a shame how ppl/media will take it to the extreme like he would want to kill himself including hurting his children, siblings, parents, AND fans. It also upset me to even hear my mom say that MJ just wanted to slip away from the world and that he was so hurt , he didn't care to end his life...BUT now she's a believer because I convince her DAILY what MJ was all about and what this hoax is about as well. <br />
    <br /><br />Alfarie - I hope you don't mind if I give you some loving advice. I really appreciate you, I do. Thank you for taking the time to fill us in on what you've heard. But sometimes it's helpful to find out if there is a taped video of the interview/show that you are watching or even transcripts that we can read. Is there a website? It makes it easier for the rest of us to follow and see exactly what you are looking at.<br /><br /><br />
    <br /><br />No...I don't mind @ all...In addition, I hope you don't mind the suggestion and a slight correction as to how the usn is typed: alfarie...alfarLe. :) Thanks for your suggestion upon request. I did however post that this is being viewed on HLN. But I suppose specifics would be rather beneficial. Much love
  • alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
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    on 1318205024:
    <br />That kinda pissed me off when I heard Murray say that about Michael.  Then I had to pinch myself and remember it’s just a movie.  No way in hell would Michael tell Murray that.  Question:  Was Murray under subpoeana when he made all these declarations?  If not then would this not constitute him having broken his oath of confidentiality?  Just wondering.<br />
    <br /><br />It was really upsetting to me too. Yes, MJ did have some problems w/med usage ...but it's a shame how ppl/media will take it to the extreme like he would want to kill himself including hurting his children, siblings, parents, AND fans. It also upset me to even hear my mom say that MJ just wanted to slip away from the world and that he was so hurt , he didn't care to end his life...BUT now she's a believer because I convince her DAILY what MJ was all about and what this hoax is about as well. <br />
    <br /><br />Alfarie - I hope you don't mind if I give you some loving advice. I really appreciate you, I do. Thank you for taking the time to fill us in on what you've heard. But sometimes it's helpful to find out if there is a taped video of the interview/show that you are watching or even transcripts that we can read. Is there a website? It makes it easier for the rest of us to follow and see exactly what you are looking at.<br /><br /><br /><br /> bearhug <br /><br />Blessings<br />
    <br /><br /><br />Not sure if this helps any, but the hostest that was speaking on the subject is Jane Velez-Mitchell . The segment as you know takes place on HLN, and it aired around 5:pm mountain time . :) I hope this is of some use.  bearhug
  • hesouttamylifehesouttamylife Posts: 5,393
    Somehow I feel, and I know I am basically alone on this, but it feels like Murray did that interview on purpose in the way he did it, knowing it would refute all the previous testimonies already heard, and thus start the chain reaction.  And I still believe that this entire set-up since day one has been to allow Michael to hoax without Murray  becoming suspect in aiding him before now.  Like I have stated earlier, I do not believe there is a doctor on the planet who would be this incompetent, especially to a client as widely known and loved as Michael Jackson.  I feel Murray befriended Michael and all his blunders were to bid time for the all the unraveling and the plots to unfold.  Also to make it appear he had following his directives to the letter.  As I watch Murray’s expression, he seems to be waiting for something.  All the testimonies from all the “officials” are now questionable.  To me, that is by design.  It was such theatrics when Murray’s interview started to play and the climax came when the disclosure came, so you were approached by Michael Jackson, but would be paid by AEG and right there a little bustle and the judge announced a break.  “Cut” It was like a movie.  <br /><br />I am the lone murder theory hoaxer it appears, so I have to old my own here.  But it’s all an adventure as we have been told.  <br /><br />Watching the video that was posted from Young and the Restless only helps to support my theory.  This is Invincible’s 10th Anniversary and there is a move to get it to number one again.  This unfolding of the truth by uncovering all the lies so reminds me of that song.  Coincidence? Perhaps. But I have never believed in coincidence.  I keep hearing this one line in my brain, it plays over and over: and when they bury me underneath all my pain, I’ll still be laughing while surfacing.  He is invincible.  I believe that. It’s time for Michael’s truth to rise.
  • alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
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    <br />Somehow I feel, and I know I am basically alone on this, but it feels like Murray did that interview on purpose in the way he did it, knowing it would refute all the previous testimonies already heard, and thus start the chain reaction.  And I still believe that this entire set-up since day one has been to allow Michael to hoax without Murray  becoming suspect in aiding him before now.  Like I have stated earlier, I do not believe there is a doctor on the planet who would be this incompetent, especially to a client as widely known and loved as Michael Jackson.  I feel Murray befriended Michael and all his blunders were to bid time for the all the unraveling and the plots to unfold.  Also to make it appear he had following his directives to the letter.  As I watch Murray’s expression, he seems to be waiting for something.  All the testimonies from all the “officials” are now questionable.  To me, that is by design.  It was such theatrics when Murray’s interview started to play and the climax came when the disclosure came, so you were approached by Michael Jackson, but would be paid by AEG and right there a little bustle and the judge announced a break.  “Cut” It was like a movie.  <br /><br />I am the lone murder theory hoaxer it appears, so I have to old my own here.  But it’s all an adventure as we have been told.  <br /><br />Watching the video that was posted from Young and the Restless only helps to support my theory.  This is Invincible’s 10th Anniversary and there is a move to get it to number one again.  This unfolding of the truth by uncovering all the lies so reminds me of that song.  Coincidence? Perhaps. But I have never believed in coincidence.  I keep hearing this one line in my brain, it plays over and over: and when they bury me underneath all my pain, I’ll still be laughing while surfacing.  He is invincible.  I believe that. It’s time for Michael’s truth to rise.<br />
    <br /><br />No...ure not alone on this thought @ all.  :) I actually posted yesterday on a thought about the doc before I told the administrator to disregard the message due to the fact that it was in the "wrong topic section" :roll:....but that's besides the point. lol <br /><br />What I was saying in regards to the doctor was, if MJ left the country after he was found not guilty, and Murray was PERHAPS in a different country at the time as well, then maybe that's when he and MJ met up. MJ could have told Murray around 2009 to move his practice to the U.S. so that way when things go down, there won't be any confusion as to where he's getting his supplies from(propofol)...for different countries might have different policies. Right? This is only my theory and speculation so I might be wrong. <br /><br />But I do agree with you. It seems to be SOME type of set up in regards to the insiders...and we're just on the outside looking in :shock:...waiting for something else to happen and all of these coincidences are popping out of nowhere. :)<br /><br />This may be off topic but, I did search the autopsy results of MJ last night....and I know this may be old to some (considering that the autopsy records are fake) but I read that MJ had puncture wounds found on his chest....I also inquired where the bloody shirt came from since it was made to my knowledge yesterday that there was even such a piece of "evidence". I then thought to myself(looking at the photo),"if he had wounds on his chest, the photo clearly shows blood on the shirt in the chest and neckline area. So....that had me thinking a bit. THEN I realized, if the murder was so crucial, WHY IN THE WORLD WOULDN'T SOMEONE WANT TO HIDE THE EVIDENCE OF A BLOODY SHIRT AND HANG IT BACK UP IN THE CLOSET?!?!? I came back to my senses and realized that it was most definitely a set up because other reports say that there was NO foul play.....(sigh).<br /><br />But anyway @hesoutofmylife , thank you for sharing your thoughts on Murray and Michael. I too was thinking the same thing yesterday so you just confirmed it for me. Much love and appreciation bearhug
  • alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
    *correction* not 2009 but in 2006 when he and Murray "met"
  • suspicious mindsuspicious mind Posts: 5,984
    wasn't there a point in the testimony of the lady who wrote up the contract where she said that murray also wanted to include another doctor in contact? did i make it up? <br />also does anyone remember when dr. lee said michael approached her about getting him propofol? was it  before or after the time that the pharmacy tech. said that murray had made arrangements with him to get it?<br /> <br />i will have to see what i can do about finding this later when i can get some time to be alone and do the research i guess. just a question that cropped up in my mind.
  • alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
    on 1318268250:
    <br />wasn't there a point in the testimony of the lady who wrote up the contract where she said that murray also wanted to include another doctor in contact? did i make it up? <br />
    <br /><br /><br />No...you didn't make it up because watching the Jane Valdez(sp) show on hln yesterday, I believe it was a dr.adams who called and said that Murray was pressuring other doctors (including Adams) to give MJ propofol.
  • hesouttamylifehesouttamylife Posts: 5,393
    @suspicious - that would be Dr. Adams.  What is alleged is that he was supppose to join Murray on the road because since Michael was going to need this every night, there might be a time when something might come up & Murray would not be available.  Better safe than sorry so to speak.  My first question is relying on the scenario we have been presented about Michael needing propofol everynight:  If Murray only worked 6 nights a week, who administered and monitored him on the 7th night?  My other question is why did Michael not sign that contract?  And thirdly, why was Dr. Adams’ interest to join ignored basically? Perhaps because that would have been one too many sets of eyes.<br /><br /><br />As for when he contacted C. Lee, I need to refresh my memory on that one.  I do know that she alleged he called her about being hot and cold.  I also remember something about him asking her for propofol but she refused and tried to disuade him from using it.  I cannot say for sure if this was one or two different conversations.
  • hesouttamylifehesouttamylife Posts: 5,393
    Can someone refresh my memory on who was Michael’s attorney during all this preparation and contract signing and where the hell was he?  I cannot recall any mention of him or her at present.
  • alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
    Not sure if any of you on here have pointed this out or not during Elissa Fleaks testimony while they were showing the items in MJ's room but did any of you catch the bottle that was titled "naked"? I saw that quite a few times not only on the news but in photos as well. I wish I copied them when I had the chance but here's the vid and  I believe it starts @ 2:14. My interpertation of what that might mean is exposing certain ppl of the NAKED TRUTH. Then on top of that they go as far to show a NAKED photo of Michael  which was totally disrespectful but I won't get into all of that. Tell me #teambeLIEvers what you all think. :) Much love!<br /><br />
  • alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
    Here's a photo of the bottle. Not the exact one that was shown on MJ's nightstand ...but um yeah. Here it is.lol  I at first thought this was a pill bottle because it looked rather small on tv, but after hearing the lawyer saying that it was a juice bottle, I quickly typed it in to see what image I could find. Never have heard of this kind of juice before....NAKED. lol.
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