CONRAD MURRAY Appeals Manslaughter Conviction

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[size=18pt]CONRAD MURRAY<br />Appeals Manslaughter Conviction[/size]<br />12/2/2011 3:28 PM PST BY TMZ STAFF<br /><br />1002-cm-ex-appeal.jpg<br /><br />Dr. Conrad Murray has just filed an appeal, challenging his conviction for involuntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson ... TMZ has learned.<br /><br />Murray filed the document in pro per -- which means he's representing himself instead of using a lawyer. <br /><br />On the portion of the document where a lawyer will usually state his or her firm's contact information -- Murray lists "Men's Central Jail" ... and includes his booking number. <br /><br />While he is representing himself, Murray is still communicating with one of the lawyers who repped him in the manslaughter trial, Nareg Gourjian. <br /><br />UPDATE:<br /><br />Gourjian tells TMZ ... "This case presents a gold mine of issues for any appellate lawyer.  Dr. Murray is confident that the Court of Appeal will vindicate him."

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  • Australian MJ BeLIEverAustralian MJ BeLIEver Posts: 2,349
    well now that is interesting....  esp has he will be self representing. <br /><br />dont loose hope people....<br /><br />there may be yet another twist!
  • MichaelsAngelMichaelsAngel Posts: 246
    Hmmmmm representing himself is very interesting indeed....maybe his proof of innocence is Michael himself  lolol/
  • use_your_illusionuse_your_illusion Posts: 916
    This is what I was thinking... An appeal by Murray and then we have another trial and this time Murray proves he's innocence by proving MJ is alive. The reason why I thought this was because remember TS said we need something that can STAND UP IN A COURT OF LAW...so are we the ones helping Murray with his case, since it says that he is representing himself...level 7 is probably the end (why's and how's of the hoax) then Murray might uses the theories we have come up with to defend himself and maybe that's the BAM.<br /><br />But it's very interesting how this appeal goes, if it's granted (which it possibly might be since there is enough to have an appeal) or if it's not.
  • ArielAriel Posts: 84
    He has the right to appeal. What the attorney says is interesting. <br /><br />Gourjian tells TMZ ... "This case presents a gold mine of issues for any appellate lawyer.  Dr. Murray is confident that the Court of Appeal will vindicate him."<br /><br />Is it because it is very easy to prove Murray is innocent? If Michael is dead it would be huge unjustice to have Murray innocent.
  • Australian MJ BeLIEverAustralian MJ BeLIEver Posts: 2,349
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    <br />This is what I was thinking... An appeal by Murray and then we have another trial and this time Murray proves he's innocence by proving MJ is alive. The reason why I thought this was because remember TS said we need something that can STAND UP IN A COURT OF LAW...so are we the ones helping Murray with his case, since it says that he is representing himself...level 7 is probably the end (why's and how's of the hoax) then Murray might uses the theories we have come up with to defend himself and maybe that's the BAM.<br /><br />But it's very interesting how this appeal goes, if it's granted (which it possibly might be since there is enough to have an appeal) or if it's not.<br />
    <br /><br />@illusion. you could be right. in support of your theory i guess, i will add the comment from TS (not verbaitm) that bam may happen in 2011, if not then 2012, but no later than 01.01.13, otherwise TS is a fraud. obviously no one can accurately determine end of appeal date, as it is a variable. the fact that courtdates are variables, may match TS's inability to say what exact year bam will be in as per his previous posts.<br /><br />who knows. we'll wait and see... (not like we have any other option  :lol: ) <br /><br /><br />
  • paula-cpaula-c Posts: 7,221
    I knew that this is still not conclude typing/ /judge/
  • ilovemjforeverilovemjforever Posts: 279
    Very interesting news indeed,and yet another clue.I am excited to hear that he will represent himself.I wonder how soon this appeal will take place.
  • all4loveandbelieveall4loveandbelieve Posts: 4,455
    I had a feeling he would have appealed, but did not think he would represent himself. Wow! from a doctor to a lawyer  lolol/ I am being silly now.. I do suspect that something really big will happen. This appeal will prove once and for all that Michael is alive. <br /><br />@use_your_illusion you make alot of sense, I thought the same thing, but you beat me to the punch line  lolol/ I think TS has something up his sleeves..
  • PureLovePureLove Posts: 5,891
    The story is still developing. Murray's going to the prison was not a dot but a comma.
  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 69
    The ending to this journey will come with the appeal trial. Murray will be vindicated after serving his sentence by showing via the surveillance tape, that he did not hurt Michael. The world will see that even though the prosecution put on a much better case than the crappy defense team, that an innocent man went to jail even though he looked guilty. The discussions and changes that will ensue after that will be big, and hopefully wake people up to stop believing everything they hear from the media about a person, and hopefully it will halt the media on trying individuals in the court of public opinion.<br />
  • TenderoniTenderoni Posts: 11
    on 1322885079:
    <br />The ending to this journey will come with the appeal trial. Murray will be vindicated after serving his sentence by showing via the surveillance tape, that he did not hurt Michael. The world will see that even though the prosecution put on a much better case than the crappy defense team, that an innocent man went to jail even though he looked guilty. The discussions and changes that will ensue after that will be big, and hopefully wake people up to stop believing everything they hear from the media about a person, and hopefully it will halt the media on trying individuals in the court of public opinion.<br />
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    <br /><br />There is no 'appeal trial' forthcoming.  And, Murray wouldn't be able to "prove" he is innocent by producing a live body.  The appeals court deals ONLY with rulings of law during the trial, and not whether the evidence was credible or valid.  And in MOST cases is there is NO oral argument. In fact, sometimes the higher court dismisses the appeal without even explaining in detail (it's called "per curiam" or "per curiam affirmed" in some cases). The parties file what are called "briefs" with case law cites that claim that the JUDGE was wrong in allowing or disallowing certain testimony or evidence--not whether it was valid or not.  IF the Court decides that the Judge made legal mistakes then there could be a whole new trial or a partial trial back in the lower court--but NO NEW EVIDENCE WOULD BE ALLOWED.<br /><br />All this appeal shows me--as a lawyer and having been involved with law for over 25 years--is that it's keeping the story alive in the media.  This is probably more important than proving MJ is alive through the courts :)
  • TenderoniTenderoni Posts: 11
    Also want to mention that there can't be appeal if it's not a REAL case  penguin/<br /><br />Anyone who believes that the case was all just a movie or show being scripted can't now go with the theory that he's going to have a REAL appeal and provide a live person as his proof  beerchug
  • scorpionchikscorpionchik Posts: 2,669
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    <br />[size=18pt]CONRAD MURRAY<br />Appeals Manslaughter Conviction[/size]<br />12/2/2011 3:28 PM PST BY TMZ STAFF<br /><br />UPDATE:<br /><br />Gourjian tells TMZ ... "This case presents a gold mine of issues for any appellate lawyer.  Dr. Murray is confident that the Court of Appeal will vindicate him."<br />
    <br /><br />Very much possible because of many inconsistencies in the case and in testimonies, as well as insufficient investigation of facts.
  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
    on 1322894919:
    <br />Also want to mention that there can't be appeal if it's not a REAL case  penguin/ <br /><br />Anyone who believes that the case was all just a movie or show being scripted can't now go with the theory that he's going to have a REAL appeal and provide a live person as his proof  beerchug <br />
    <br />Are you saying that from your professional experience, that everything that went on in the trial and giving of the verdict was within range of the acceptable or possible?<br />Did we make too big a deal about the things we thought proved it was a hoax court?  (Well, obviously the toy animals were hoaxy but...all the other things we've talked about on the forum.) Thanks.
  • becbec Posts: 6,387
    Uh yeah right Tenderoni. Murray produces LiveMJ and the court will say TOO BAD NO NEW EVIDENCE U LOSE GO TO JAIL. Sure. That's just how it will go.
  • becbec Posts: 6,387
    Tenderoni has been here since summer 2009 and is a lawyer, however Tenderoni is ever the skeptic. <br /><br />I says you walk long before now if you're really that skeptical.
  • ElsaElsa Posts: 341
    I think this explains the weak defense case in the trial - the lack of objections and leading their own witnesses to repeat information supporting the prosecution case, just to establish a minor point for their own.  The defense was helping to secure a guilty verdict.  The appeals process can then be used to keep the case in people's mind while the hoax continues. 
  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    It was obvious he will appeal. Why not appeal? It is his right.<br /><br />It's exciting that he will represent himself.<br />It's also exciting what his new attorney said, that the appeal is a goldmine of issues.<br /><br />I just hope they set the date for appeal as soon as possible.
  • blankieblankie Posts: 2,350
    ;D.............Simply....[size=14pt]THE BEST IS YET TO COME[/size]    ;D :D<br /><br /><br />                                                                            moonwalk_/
  • DontwalkawayDontwalkaway Posts: 849
    If the trial was kangaroo court then so is the appeal.  Maybe it will be an opportunity for more of the truth to come out, or a sting operation.  We'll see.
  • PureLovePureLove Posts: 5,891
    on 1322903722:
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    on 1322894919:
    <br />Also want to mention that there can't be appeal if it's not a REAL case  penguin/ <br /><br />Anyone who believes that the case was all just a movie or show being scripted can't now go with the theory that he's going to have a REAL appeal and provide a live person as his proof  beerchug <br />
    <br />Are you saying that from your professional experience, that everything that went on in the trial and giving of the verdict was within range of the acceptable or possible?<br />Did we make too big a deal about the things we thought proved it was a hoax court?  (Well, obviously the toy animals were hoaxy but...all the other things we've talked about on the forum.) Thanks.<br />
    <br /><br />Thank you for sharing the info with us Tenderoni. I'm also wondering about what MJonmind asked.
  • BeTheChangeBeTheChange Posts: 1,569
    Very interesting indeed.<br /><br />As for 'new evidence' in an appeal court:<br /><br />Does the appeal court hear evidence?<br />The role of the appeal court is not to hear the trial again. Witnesses are generally not called in an appeal hearing and you are not required to testify. However, in some limited cases, the appeal court may consider new evidence if it is very significant.<br />http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/about/pubs/criminal_appeal.asp#j12<br /><br />This is Canadian Law but I'm pretty sure the same would apply to American Law.  A Live MJ would, most definitely, be considered 'very significant' but that if that was 'presented' as a reason for an appeal...would there even be a need for an appeal?  I'm not sure how that works...but an appeal would seem pointless if a Live MJ appeared prior to the appeal.  However, security footage, as an example, showing something completely different than what the 'evidence' in court showed...that could exonerate Murray or potentially show a different 'culprit'...would, I would think, also be considered 'very significant', and grounds for an appeal.<br /><br />And, of course, as Murray's lawyer suggested...an appellate lawyer would obviously know if there were any errors in the course of the trial.  IF an appeal was in the plan all along...then I would think that there were enough intentional 'errors' made by the judge to ensure this would be allowed in the future.<br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.
  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    on 1322894919:
    <br />Also want to mention that there can't be appeal if it's not a REAL case  penguin/<br /><br />Anyone who believes that the case was all just a movie or show being scripted can't now go with the theory that he's going to have a REAL appeal and provide a live person as his proof  beerchug<br />
    <br /><br />You are right. JMO.<br />Oh...and I am surprised TMZ didn't post the document filed by Murray. They usually post all documents.<br />Oh...and i would be curious to know why Murray is not represented by his previous team of lawyers. Are not they willing to represent him anymore? Or Murray doesn't want them to represent him anymore?<br /><br />I think the appeal will not be a kangaroo court.
  • paula-cpaula-c Posts: 7,221
    Monday, February 8, 2010<br />"The Court Of Last Resort-The Conrad Murray Case"<br />Okay, here is Where the weird gets a whole lot weirder.<br />There is an old TV show by the name of "The Court Of Last Resort"<br />All credit goes to For This find thinkerbelle Who posted about this on MJA.<br />http://mjalive.forumwise.com/mjalive-thread574.html<br /><br /><br />The Court Of Last Resort<br />"The Court of Last Resort WAS founded by Erle Stanley Gardner in the 1950s. The team sought to reveal whether someone found guilty Already Might really be innocent. The show dramatized the crime Then Followed the original Investigation. Actual cases Were used"<br />The show WAS Investigators About a team of visiting old cases in Which people found guilty WHERE and Sent to jail, to try and Prove Them innocent.<br /><br />One of the episodes Happened to be tittled "The Conrad Murray Case"<br />http://dianajeann.blogspot.com/2010/02/court-of-last-resort-conrad-murray-case.html<br /><br />murray-1.png<br />and the Actor Who played Conrad Murray WAS in a TV show Called "Thriller"<br />and anouther one Called "This Is It".<br /><br />I Do not Know If This Has To do with anything, But it sure is strange.<br /><br />Photobucket
  • everlastinglove_MJeverlastinglove_MJ Posts: 2,884
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    on 1322885079:
    <br />The ending to this journey will come with the appeal trial. Murray will be vindicated after serving his sentence by showing via the surveillance tape, that he did not hurt Michael. The world will see that even though the prosecution put on a much better case than the crappy defense team, that an innocent man went to jail even though he looked guilty. The discussions and changes that will ensue after that will be big, and hopefully wake people up to stop believing everything they hear from the media about a person, and hopefully it will halt the media on trying individuals in the court of public opinion.<br />
    <br />
    <br /><br />There is no 'appeal trial' forthcoming.  And, Murray wouldn't be able to "prove" he is innocent by producing a live body.  The appeals court deals ONLY with rulings of law during the trial, and not whether the evidence was credible or valid.  And in MOST cases is there is NO oral argument. In fact, sometimes the higher court dismisses the appeal without even explaining in detail (it's called "per curiam" or "per curiam affirmed" in some cases). The parties file what are called "briefs" with case law cites that claim that the JUDGE was wrong in allowing or disallowing certain testimony or evidence--not whether it was valid or not.  IF the Court decides that the Judge made legal mistakes then there could be a whole new trial or a partial trial back in the lower court--but NO NEW EVIDENCE WOULD BE ALLOWED.<br /><br />All this appeal shows me--as a lawyer and having been involved with law for over 25 years--is that it's keeping the story alive in the media.  This is probably more important than proving MJ is alive through the courts :)<br />
    <br /><br />@Galaxy
    hopefully wake people up to stop believing everything they hear from the media about a person, and hopefully it will halt the media on trying individuals in the court of public opinion. 
    Exactly!  beerchug<br /><br />@Tenderoni<br />
    The parties file what are called "briefs" with case law cites that claim that the JUDGE was wrong in allowing or disallowing certain testimony or evidence--not whether it was valid or not.  IF the Court decides that the Judge made legal mistakes then there could be a whole new trial or a partial trial back in the lower court
    What if Judge Pastor was too emotionally involved to make the sentence. I mean the sentence seemed to be based on his personal opinion and assumptions, which could be a legal mistake. I noticed that, during the sentence, Murray wrote some notes and took them with him after the sentence. Murray didn't look surprised and appeared to be confident after the sentence, which could mean that he exactly knew what was going to happen, he knew what to do i.e. writing notes, which could be used for the appeal or a new trial/partial trial. I wouldn't be surprised if Murray has a doctor's, a legal and an acting license  :lol:. Appeal, new/partial trial etc. it will certainly need some time...which is according to Michael's hoax timeline ;).
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