a thought just poped in my head, <br /><br />my mother when she is in the motion of listening to the evidence to back up not dead, she said "i believe the king of pop is dead, maybe not him"<br /><br />of course she reverts back when not in my company... but.. with the whole joesph thing.. I'm wondering in some ways he has laid to rest his music career and also the past with his father? burying the joesph Saga along with the king of pop? It's very unlikely that to be it. It's one of those deep far out reach thoughts that i just had to explain the middle name being used.<br /><br />
<br />a thought just poped in my head, <br /><br />my mother when she is in the motion of listening to the evidence to back up not dead, she said "i believe the king of pop is dead, maybe not him"<br /><br />of course she reverts back when not in my company... but.. with the whole joesph thing.. I'm wondering in some ways he has laid to rest his music career and also the past with his father? burying the joesph Saga along with the king of pop? It's very unlikely that to be it. It's one of those deep far out reach thoughts that i just had to explain the middle name being used.<br />
<br /><br />That makes a lot of sense to me, BTW you have a very clever mother say hello to her from me.
<br />Yeh, the Michael Jacksons secret vault...which required a password login "ALIVE" <br /><br />There was another wierd video on that site, that seemed so irrelevant at the time..about a dispute regarding MJ's possesions...<br /><br />This is great news for everyone involved.<br /><br />What really puzzles me , is that nobody is bringing up the fact that the childrens names are incorrect and that Michaels real middle name is JOE, not Joseph. It is a legal document and has to be accurate..<br /><br />Why haven't the family used that as proof/ evidence that the will is fraudulent as well???<br /><br />I so glad something might be moving finally in regards the the will saga. Up until now, its been all talk and no action... :abouttime: :abouttime:<br />
<br /><br /><br />Who knows what will have in mind Michael..... :ghsdf:... he is the director of all, and if he allows the family business are public, <br /><br />there is a reason..... :suspect:....waiting for the next steps of our boy... :michael-jackson:
Same subject, new article with more details:<br /><br />http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/michael-jackson-attacked-estate-battle-copyrighted-material-tribute-book-article-1.1132078<br /><br />[size=14pt]Michael Jackson’s will attacked again; estate hit with new paperwork over copyrighted material in tribute book <br />[/size]<br /><br />Memorabilia dealer Howard Mann says he is 'in possession of evidence that casts substantial doubt on the validity of the will,' and plans to present it when he goes to court next month over the intellectual property in a tribute book he published with Katherine Jackson. <br />By Nancy Dillon / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS<br />Wednesday, August 8, 2012, 7:26 PM<br /><br />Michael Jackson's will is under assault again, this time in federal court.<br /><br />Howard Mann, a memorabilia dealer who published a tribute book with matriarch Katherine Jackson two years ago, filed legal docs Monday claiming he was "in possession of evidence that casts substantial doubt on the validity of the will."<br /><br />He told the Daily News Wednesday that he hopes to present the evidence in court when a copyright battle centered on the book goes to trial next month.<br /><br />He's fighting with the estate's executors over intellectual property contained in the book and a website created to sell it.<br /><br />"I am not backing down from my court fight with these guys. I'm not interested in settling with them. I came out and said these guys were a fraud two years ago," Mann told The News. "I have many people who will come and give testimony that the entire administration is a fraud and a collusive operation designed to take assets away from Katherine and Michael's kids."<br /><br /> Asked about his alleged "evidence," Mann echoed a recent claim by Janet Jackson and her siblings Randy and Rebbie that the 2002 will is a "fake" because it was signed with a Los Angeles dateline while Michael was in New York at an event with the Rev. Al Sharpton.<br /><br />The estate executors called Janet's accusation "false and defamatory," rooted in "stale Internet conspiracy theories" that had been "thoroughly debunked."<br /><br />Mann said he also might call experts to the stand to question so-called "variances" in handwriting on the will and errors in the spellings of Michael's kids' names.<br /><br />"I have no ability to contest the will. It's not up to me to prove its validity. All I have to do is prove they don't own certain copyrights," he said.<br /><br />Janet's lawyer issued a statement Friday saying the "Control" singer, Randy and Rebbie would "press forward in their search for the truth."<br /><br />"It is important to stress that Janet, Randy and Rebbie have questioned the validity of the will with no financial motive whatsoever - they stand to gain nothing financially by a finding that the will is invalid," the lawyer said, noting that Michael's children are his beneficiaries either way.<br /><br />"What will be gained by a finding of invalidity is that the executors will be replaced and the estate and the guardianship will be managed in a manner that is in the best interests of the children, which is what Michael wanted," the lawyer said.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
"Mann echoed a recent claim by Janet Jackson and her siblings Randy and Rebbie that the 2002 will is a "fake" because it was signed with a Los Angeles dateline while Michael was in New York at an event with the Rev. Al Sharpton."<br /><br />This we found out loooong ago. <br /><br />What about sending them the link to the forum where all those threads regarding MJ´s signatures and the will can be read? Part of their investigation will be already done, lol.<br /><br />However, maybe MJ had a flight the same say from L.A to N.Y to sign the documents? could that be possible?
<facepalm><br />Maybe Michael dated the will on 7.7.2002 (what's the right year?) because he wants to draw everybody's attention to that speech???? :icon_eek: This is his real testament. His will! :animal0017:
Hello everyone,<br />I will never understand People who a fighting against the Estate. The Estate did <br />a incredible Job the Past three Years.<br /><br />The Estate owns still 87,5 % of Neverland.<br />The Estate has still a 50% share of the Sony/ATV catalog.<br />The Estate made a Deal with Sony over 250 mil $ over 7 Albums in 10 Years<br />The Estate and Sony bought EMI Music and has now a share of the Market of 38%<br />They paid off nearly his Debt. Not to mention the Cooperation with Cirque de Solei, selling of Memorabilia and so on. John Branca is doing more than a normal Estate Lawyer is usually doing. He was at the "Shoeprint Ceremony" at "X-Factor" at the "Fanfest" and who knows where else. To me it seemed always as when he is overseeing<br />Michael's Business. I believe that Michael used the Middle Name Joseph only for Hoax<br />Purpose because all Documents associated with his "Death" say Joseph although<br />he was indentified with his Driver Licence and the Driver Licence says Michael JOE Jackson. Go John Branca, you have my full support. <br /><br />Much Peace and Love to everyone. <br /><br /><br />
I think I know what could be going on here........<br /><br />The testator MUST be of sound mind and not under the influence of any mind altering drugs, and was not forced to sign the will...<br /><br />Could it be that the reason MJ leaked alot of information that suggests he is or was a drug addict make a difference..( I know it;s not true)<br /><br />For the hoax sake, there is more evidence to suggest that Michael was under the influence of pescription medication at the time the will was signed, and therefore would make the will invalid???<br /><br />[size=10pt]Where you impaired while signing these two documents???[/size]<br /> />
I vaguely remember seeing this video way back when......wow. <br />What exactly is this interview from.....I see The Sun......but<br />surely he wasn't talking to them...who is he talking to exactly?<br />The interviewer uses the word, "testimony"....why? It's almost <br />like a pre-trial interview of some sort.....or just shades of things to come. <br />I can't help but think it's all a set up ......leading to this very point...the will. <br /><br />Very interesting....thanks for posting it! <br />Blessings!
Thanks for posting that video 2good. What I've always loved about that clip is MJ gets away with confirming nothing, really. None of his answers can really be held against him, he makes sure to answer nothing with any certainty whatsoever. Very clever.
Thanks for posting that vid 2good!<br /><br />I just love his "Bambi-style" blinking. :icon_e_wink:<br />Trying to look so clueless and delicate but you can tell from his eyes that he is wide awake and in total control of the situation.
Oh MJ, you're so wiley and crafty. How I love thee :bearhug:<br /><br />Bambi eyes puppet master is disguise! <br /><br />"Could have been. Possibly. Could have been. Possibly"<br /><br />blink blink blink. meanwhile mwhahahaha...
I can understand why u would think this....... But you have to realize that Mcclain and Branca cant just sit around and not do any work because then they dont get paid!!! Also<br />With noone to answer to they can make deals get their % of that and also take as much as they want off the top and NO ONE would know. This will to me is the WHOLE REASON MJ planned and executed this hoax. I mean just imagine people being in charge of ALL your finances and EVERYTHING, knowing they are stealing from you every chance they get, knowing they are trying to KILL you so they can impliment a false will and not being able to do anything about it.... That would be a HORRIBLE feeling and I think that is why MJ faked his death.
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<br />Hello everyone,<br />I will never understand People who a fighting against the Estate. The Estate did <br />a incredible Job the Past three Years.<br /><br />The Estate owns still 87,5 % of Neverland.<br />The Estate has still a 50% share of the Sony/ATV catalog.<br />The Estate made a Deal with Sony over 250 mil $ over 7 Albums in 10 Years<br />The Estate and Sony bought EMI Music and has now a share of the Market of 38%<br />They paid off nearly his Debt. Not to mention the Cooperation with Cirque de Solei, selling of Memorabilia and so on. John Branca is doing more than a normal Estate Lawyer is usually doing. He was at the "Shoeprint Ceremony" at "X-Factor" at the "Fanfest" and who knows where else. To me it seemed always as when he is overseeing<br />Michael's Business. I believe that Michael used the Middle Name Joseph only for Hoax<br />Purpose because all Documents associated with his "Death" say Joseph although<br />he was indentified with his Driver Licence and the Driver Licence says Michael JOE Jackson. Go John Branca, you have my full support. <br /><br />Much Peace and Love to everyone.<br />
:icon_lol: So it boils down to was he acting in that clip or was he really out of it for 2002 and 2003.<br />Yet in the whole bunch of videos of MJ resisting Sony around 7/7/02 including the one of him on the double-decker bus, MJ seemed to be totally clear-minded! The bridge accident he speaks of happened in Munich in 1999.<br /><br />So what other things were happening in his life then--well two very important people --Paris and Prince and later Blanket. You think he would have been drugged out of his mind while they were around--the joy of his life?<br /><br />
Wiki. In 2002, Michael Jackson won his 22nd American Music Award for Artist of the Century.[171] In the same year, Jackson's third child, Prince Michael Jackson II (nicknamed "Blanket") was born. On November 20 of that year, Jackson brought his newborn son onto the balcony of his room at the Hotel Adlon in Berlin, as fans stood below, holding him in his right arm, with a cloth loosely draped over the baby's face. The baby was briefly extended over a railing, four stories above ground level, causing widespread criticism in the media. Jackson later apologized for the incident, calling it "a terrible mistake"<br /><br />Beginning in May 2002, Jackson allowed a documentary film crew, led by British TV personality Martin Bashir, to follow him around just about everywhere he went. Bashir's film crew was with Jackson during the "baby-dangling incident" in Berlin. The program was broadcast in March 2003 as Living with Michael Jackson, and painted an extraordinarily unflattering portrait of the singer.
<br />Never once do we see MJ impaired during the Bashir docu, yet that was just around the time he was supposedly impaired. Therefore my guess is MJ is acting in this cutey clip with the 'Bambi' eyes and glasses.
Talked to a lawyer today who works on probate cases, wills, etc. Asked him what happens if hypothetically, the names are wrong on a will. He said wrong? Like a misspelling? I said no, wrong like the wrong name of the deceased, wrong name of the heirs. He said, screwing up the names? What lawyer would get THAT wrong? <br /><br />Har har.<br /><br />Bottom line, if you can prove that went it was drawn up, it was just a mistake, and they "meant" the right names, the lawyer just screwed them up, it would probably be ok.<br /><br />But he was unimpressed with any lawyer who would make those kinds of mistakes. Horrified, really.
<br />Talked to a lawyer today who works on probate cases, wills, etc. Asked him what happens if hypothetically, the names are wrong on a will. He said wrong? Like a misspelling? I said no, wrong like the wrong name of the deceased, wrong name of the heirs. He said, screwing up the names? What lawyer would get THAT wrong? <br /><br />Har har.<br /><br />Bottom line, if you can prove that went it was drawn up, it was just a mistake, and they "meant" the right names, the lawyer just screwed them up, it would probably be ok.<br /><br />But he was unimpressed with any lawyer who would make those kinds of mistakes. Horrified, really.<br />
<br /><br />[size=10pt]Yep...pretty sloppy for an attorney with a self-professed "decades long" relationship with his client...LOL. Of course this could just perfectly illustrate yet again that even the people closest to Michael for the longest periods of time didn't REALLY know him. He was Branca's best man for God's sake...but was that maybe just for power trippin'? You'd think in all those years that Branca et al would have TONS of documents that they prepared for Michael for deals and whatnot. Was the name wrong on ALL of them? That might be interesting to find out. If they all are wrong then either they were too busy ringing the cash register to care to get to know him...or Michael didn't let (read completely trust) them...or...all these things were specifically planned and planted this way. It's all still confusing on this end. :icon_e_confused: [/size]
“Defendants will argue that the estate cannot produce any evidence indicating they own the assets, thereby failing the first prong of a copyright action,” the attorneys wrote.
,<br /><br />Of course they don't own the assets. The estate doesn't exist. In the context of, The estate just = MJ. Not a group of suits. But JMO.
<br />This will to me is the WHOLE REASON MJ planned and executed this hoax. I mean just imagine people being in charge of ALL your finances and EVERYTHING, knowing they are stealing from you every chance they get, knowing they are trying to KILL you so they can impliment a false will and not being able to do anything about it.... <br />
<br /><br />Hi YM, I'm just catching up on some reading, so don't mind me. Just want to ask, I know it was a while ago, but wanted to ask re: the post you made above. Do you still believe that?<br /> <br />I personally don't. I believe DH goes far beyond his will and that he does have / always had complete control of his $$. Just wondering if your thoughts have changed on this.<br /><br />Not picking a fight, just curious. :icon_razz:
<br />But he was unimpressed with any lawyer who would make those kinds of mistakes. Horrified, really.<br />
<br /><br />This lawyer probably still has some ethical understanding of his job. There's enough folks with $$$ in their eyes out there who would make those mistakes with a smile. If the media do write what payers / owners / investors want them to write, well, what's the difference? The plate on the door? Not only the judges in CA are on a payroll.<br /><br />I think it could be a matter of reversal, going back in time, turning back time by declaring something like <br /> "the will was not a will was not a real will but a letter of intent, you know an 'illusion' - pooffff"<br /><br />TIME effect:<br /><br />frail & sick & druggie --> death --> will --> “freedom under certainty” |<br /> v<br />strong & well & healthy <-- alive <-- contesting will <-- “limitations under control”<br /><br />with the meaning of "always have been" or "it was like this already 4 years ago, you only grew a beard now".<br />So everybody can dance around 2009 again and forget we are 4 years later. <br />Repeat of "time stood still" under new eyes and focus - and with a beard, grey hairs and feeling so old compared...<br />Quite entertaining time warp.
<br />Thanks for posting that video 2good. What I've always loved about that clip is MJ gets away with confirming nothing, really. None of his answers can really be held against him, he makes sure to answer nothing with any certainty whatsoever. Very clever.<br />
<br /><br />Agree with you Andrea.<br />In this video Michael is really greatest..as always however... :bearhug: Is not easy to talk about himself in front of the cameras and Michael never liked this. I love his voice !! :bearhug:
@ellyd. Interesting post.<br /><br />Looking forward to reading more from you. Also welcome to the forum. I was missing aug / sep, so wasn't able to welcome you back then.
<br />I think I know what could be going on here........<br /><br />The testator MUST be of sound mind and not under the influence of any mind altering drugs, and was not forced to sign the will...<br /><br />Could it be that the reason MJ leaked alot of information that suggests he is or was a drug addict make a difference..( I know it;s not true)<br /><br />For the hoax sake, there is more evidence to suggest that Michael was under the influence of pescription medication at the time the will was signed, and therefore would make the will invalid???<br /><br />[size=10pt]Where you impaired while signing these two documents???[/size]<br /> /><br />
<br /><br />glad you brought this up. something has been bothering me about the speech. remember michael says he is really really tired of all the manipulation. do you also remember about the tape wanting someone to move money and he says something like it is 4 in the morning and he is really tired. deiter ( so torn cause i just don't like this guy) says that this term is what michael used to let him know that he was taking something or something to that effect. don't know if their is any connection at all but it just keeps bugging me.
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