MJ & Mel Gibson - The similarities
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So I bumped into a video of Mel Gibson when I was looking for a video of MJ and this video made me think a little harder about the extreme news coverage we get from TMZ about Mel. I decided to read up a little on Mel and I found STRIKING similarities between him and Mike. It's a long read, but I thought it was very interesting.
I was looking for this video of MJ:
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Before anyone will feel offended, that is absolutely not my intention, but here is the video of Mel I bumped into:
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Apparently the both have some issues with jews and I don't think either of them mean jewish people in general, but more the very rich and powerful ones, like the Rothchilds:
The Rothschild family (known as The House of Rothschild, or more simply as the Rothschilds) is a European dynasty of German Jewish origin that established European banking and finance houses from the late eighteenth century. Five lines of the Austrian branch of the family were elevated into the Austrian nobility, being given hereditary baronies of the Habsburg Empire by Emperor Francis II in 1816. The British branch of the family was elevated into the British nobility by Queen Victoria. In the 19th century, the Rothschilds were one of the wealthiest families in Europe.
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Over two centuries, the Rothschild family has frequently been the target of conspiracy theories. These theories take differing forms, such as claiming that the family belongs to the Illuminati, or controls the world's wealth and financial institutions. The theories have taken differing forms, and been propagated for different reasons, most famously by the Nazi Party, who used a variant in anti-semitic propaganda, alleging that the Rothschild family encouraged wars between governments. Discussing this and similar conspiracy theories, the historian Niall Ferguson wrote: "As we have seen, however, wars tended to hit the price of existing bonds by increasing the risk that a debtor state would fail to meet its interest payments in the event of defeat and losses of territory. By the middle of the 19th century, the Rothschilds had evolved from traders into fund managers, carefully tending to their own vast portfolio of government bonds. Now having made their money, they stood to lose more than they gained from conflict. The Rothschilds had decided the outcome of the Napoleonic Wars by putting their financial weight behind Britain. Now they would.. sit on the sidelines."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family
So rather than name them, which would be dangerous (like Mike said: "I can't say too much, it's a conspiracy", something we hear the family say a lot lately as well, they refer to them as "The Jews". So I hope you understand what I mean.
I will just paste some info about Mel here I found, read it and see the similarities for yourself.
Some of Mel's work:
1995: Braveheart (Director and "William Wallace")
Synopsis:
After years of political unrest in Scotland, the land was open to an invasion from the south. King Edward I of England (Patrick McGoohan) decided to conquer Scotland. After invading Scotland and winning the war, Edward (known as 'Longshanks') granted areas of land in Scotland to his nobility which they were to rule, along with the traditional privileges. One of these privileges was Primae Noctis, the right for the lord to take a newly married Scottish woman into his bed and spend the wedding night with the bride. William Wallace (Mel Gibson) grows up in this atmosphere of repression and fear and survives the death of his father and brother. His uncle arrives and takes him away to live with him. They travel Europe and Wallace learns to read, write and speak Latin and French. When he returns home, he falls in love with his childhood sweetheart Murron MacClannough (Catherine McCormack), and they marry in secret so that she does not have to spend a night in the bed of the English lord. However, the marriage is discovered and after a fight in the marketplace, Murron is captured. Wallace can't get there in time to save her and she is killed by the Sherriff. Wallace, with the other villagers, storms the garrison and kills all the English soldiers there, as well as the Sherriff. Wallace is compelled to fight against the English who have taken over his homeland and enslaved himself and his countrymen and women. Wallace's army grows as other Scotsmen arrive to fight the English. They fight a number of successful battles and Longshanks is worried enough by the threat he poses to send Princess Isabelle (Sophie Marceau) to try and negotiate peace with him. Princess Isabelle is the wife of Prince Edward (Peter Hanly) the Prince of Wales and Longshanks sent her because his son is a weak man and would not be imposing enough to negotiate, but she is a strong leader. As a French princess, Longshanks also knows that if Wallace kills her, the French king will declare war on Wallace in revenge. Wallace rejects the offer of a title, an estate and a chest of gold that Longshanks has told Isabelle to offer and continues with the fighting. However, during their conversation, Isabelle tells Wallace that she understands his suffering and that she has heard about the death of his woman. They share a moment of understanding and she becomes charmed by him. For Wallace to continue fighting, he needs the Scottish nobility on his side, contributing troops and food. But Wallace has problems convincing the nobility that they have a real chance to take back the country from the English. The nobles think that the Scots will lose and the English will treat them even worse than they are treated now. Also, the nobles are getting money from England and live quite well. Some of them are more concerned that this money continues to come and that their standard of living continues to be the best instead of looking after their people. Robert the Bruce (Angus Macfadyen) is particularly torn over what he sees as his duty to the people to free them and what his father (Ian Bannen) tells him to do to keep in good with the English. Eventually, two of the nobles betray Wallace at the Battle of Falkirk. Wallace is wounded badly and forced into hiding. He begins a guerilla war, which includes the murder of the two men who betrayed him at Falkirk. During the guerilla war, he meets again with Princess Isabelle, who has told him about a trap that Longshanks had set. Wallace evades the trap and kills the soldiers who were sent to capture him. He and Isabelle spend a night together. Unbeknownst to Wallace, she conceives his child. Robert the Bruce contacts Wallace to set up a meeting, where the Bruce intends to declare his intent to join Wallace and commit troops to the war. However, Roberts father has conspired with the other nobles to set a trap and Wallace is caught. He is beaten until he is unconscious and then handed over to the English. Wallace is taken to London and charged with high treason. He denies the charge, but is found guilty. He is given an opportunity to confess, and told that if he does so, his death will be quick. If he does not confess, he is told he will need to be purified by pain before he is killed. Isabelle visits him in his jail cell and begs him to confess, saying she cant stand the thought of him being tortured. He refuses to confess, and she asks him to take a drug she has brought, which will dull the pain. He refuses, but she begs him and he allows her to pour it into his mouth. They kiss and she leaves. Once she is gone, Wallace spits out the drug. Wallace is sentenced to death and because he didnt confess, he will be hung, drawn and quartered. He is taken to a public square and hung for a few moments. His stomach is cut open and his intestines are taken out. The magistrate again offers Wallace a quick death, this time if he will plead for mercy. The crowd overhears and calls for mercy on his behalf. Even at the end, Wallace will not be broken, and instead of begging for mercy, he cries Freedom! one last time. As he is about to be beheaded, he sees Murron in the crowd, smiling at him. We are told that Robert the Bruce takes control of what is left of the Scottish army and faces the English at Bannockburn. Cheering for Wallace, they defeat the English and win their freedom.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112573/synopsis
Historians critisized the movie for being full of historical inaccuracies, author John O'Farrell even noted that Braveheart could not have been more historically inaccurate, even if a "Plasticine dog" had been inserted in the film and the title changed to William Wallace and Gromit. In the DVD audio commentary of Braveheart, director Mel Gibson acknowledges many of the historical inaccuracies but defends his choices as director, noting that the way events were portrayed in the film were much more "cinematically compelling" than the historical and/or mythical fact.
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I think, when I look at his later works, that Mel wanted to make a statement with this movie, he plays the role of a man forming an army, fighting for freedom, against the enslavery of his country. Less obvious than his movies after that, but to me clearly a statement.
1997: Conspiracy Theory as "Jerry Fletcher"
Plot:
Jerry Fletcher (Mel Gibson) is a mentally unstable New York City taxi driver who lectures his passengers on various conspiracy theories.
Jerry goes to the Justice Department, to visit a girl (whom he is interested in), Alice Sutton (Julia Roberts) who works for the DA. She is trying to solve her father's murder, which had taken place some years earlier. Jerry tells her that NASA is trying to kill the President using a secret weapon on the Space Shuttle that can trigger earthquakes. Alice is patient with him but throws him out when he asks her out for a date.
Jerry IDs some men on the street as CIA, follows them into a building, and is captured by them. He wakes up in an unidentified building bound to a wheelchair with duct tape. A doctor (Patrick Stewart) tapes his eyes open, injects him with a drug he calls "Gravy for the brain" (LSD), and interrogates him using strobe lights and water torture. He wants to know who Jerry's been talking to. As the LSD kicks in Jerry remembers many previous sessions, which he sees as terrifying cartoons. As the doctor leans closer, Jerry bites the doctor's nose and makes an amazing escape, still bound to the wheelchair. He crashes down stairs, breaking the wheelchair, which impales him with one of its parts. He shuts himself in a laundry truck, and as it drives away we see a sign that indicates that the building is a mental hospital. Jerry goes to Alice's office again and grabs a guard's gun, collapses in Alice's arms after babbling incoherently about biting off someone's nose.
Alice visits Jerry in the hospital. Handcuffed to the bed and drugged to force him to sleep, he pleads with her to switch his chart with that of a criminal in the next bed. He says if she doesn't do so, he will be dead by morning. In the morning, when Alice visits again, the criminal is dead, as he has suffered a mysterious heart attack during the night. The CIA, FBI and other agencies are there. She meets a mysterious CIA psychiatrist, Dr. Jonas, whose nose has been injured. Jonas tells Alice his dog bit it. Meanwhile Jerry fakes a heart attack and escapes again. Alice finds him and tells him of Jonas' claim about the dog. She frees him from his handcuffs; he drops down a linen chute and escapes.
Jonas quizzes Alice over lunch; she explains that Jerry saved her from muggers once, so she tolerates him. In Jerry's hospital room she finds a copy of The Catcher in the Rye. As she discusses it with an FBI officer named Lowry, the CIA come and confiscate all of Jerry's personal items. Lowry offers to share info with her but she declines.
The CIA cannot find Jerry. Alice goes to her car, and finds Jerry hiding in it. She loses Lowry who is tailing them, and then they go to Jerry's apartment where he tells her about his conspiracy theories and his newsletter. He has dozens of copies of Catcher - feels compelled to buy it, but doesn't know why. They are interrupted when Jerry's home-made alarm goes off, signaling the entry of a CIA SWAT team. Jerry sets everything on fire and they leave by his secret trapdoor exit. In the room below, there is a large mural on the wall, which features both Alice and the triple smokestacks of a factory near the mental institution.
They go to her apartment and he says something that reveals he's been watching her through her window. She kicks him out. Outside, Jerry confronts Lowry and his partner staking out her place, and he warns them not to hurt her. He goes to a book store and buys a copy of Catcher. The CIA detects his purchase, and sends agents to catch him. Jerry sees their black helicopters and men rappelling down and goes into a theater. He yells "there's a bomb under my chair" and manages to escape during the resultant panic.
The next morning Alice has been calling each person who gets the newsletter, and they all have all died that night except one. Jerry uses a ruse to get her out of the office, and then attaches cables from the CIA vehicle following her to a vendor's cart. On a bus they discuss more of his theories about "they" and "them." In a subway station where one Herriman drowned in another conspiracy, she agrees to check the autopsy. He says he loves her and she rejects him.
Alice goes to see the last surviving person on the subscription list, and it is Jonas. He explains that Jerry was an MK-ULTRA subject but the project was terminated - except for his research. Jonas shows her a photo of her father taken from Jerry's locker, and claims that Jerry went out of control and killed her father. She is crushed.
Jerry sends Alice a pizza and says to meet him. Jonas gets her to agree to a homing device in the pizza box and Jerry drives her with the box across the Queensboro bridge. He has made previous arrangements that enable him to ditch the agents following them, leaving the homing device behind. As he drives her to her father's private horse stables, he tells her that he can almost remember what happened and is taking her to where "the music is playing." Alice turns on her mobile phone so they can still track her. At the stables Jerry remembers that he was sent to kill her father (a judge who was about to expose Jonas' operation) but found he couldn't kill him. Instead they became friends and Jerry promised to watch over Alice before the judge was killed by another assassin. She admits she switched the charts in the hospital. The CIA arrive and capture Jerry. Jonas gloats but Jerry says, "you haven't seen her run." Alice outruns the men; a sniper misses her, killing the last guy chasing her, and she escapes.
Jonas tortures Jerry again. Meanwhile, Alice leads the FBI men (who are not actually FBI but from a "secret agency that watches the other agencies") to Jonas' office, but it has been entirely dismantled. She is determined to find Jerry because, she says, he would find her. She realizes that a detail of Jerry's large mural is near a mental hospital and goes there. She bribes an attendant to show her an unused wing, breaks in through locked doors, and finds Jerry after hearing him singing through the ventilation ducts. As Jonas catches them, Lowry arrives with his men and attacks Jonas's men. Jonas shoots Jerry and Alice shoots Jonas dead. Alice tells Jerry she loves him as he is taken away in an ambulance.
Some time later, Alice visits Jerry's grave. As she rides away we see Jerry, Lowry and Flip watching her. Jerry isn't allowed to contact her until they are sure they have rounded up all of Jonas' other subjects. He secretly lets her know he is still alive and the film ends.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_Theory_(film)#Plot
Well that's more straight to the point. The director of this movie, Richard Donner, was also the director of 'The Omen' ("a violent and popular supernatural thriller that starred Gregory Peck whose son turns out to be the Antichrist."), Superman (see: <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_(film<!-- m -->)#Themes) and 16 Blocks (about an alcoholic detective escorting a loud-mouthed witness, only to find that the city's police force wants the witness dead) <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Donner<!-- m -->
2004: The Passion of the Christ (director)
Plot:
The film opens in Gethsemane in medias res as Jesus prays and is tempted by Satan, while his apostles, Peter, James, and John sleep. After receiving thirty pieces of silver, one of Jesus' other apostles, Judas Iscariot, approaches with the temple guards and betrays Jesus with a kiss. As the guards move in to arrest Jesus, Peter cuts off the ear of Malchus, but Jesus heals the ear. The temple guards arrest Jesus and the apostles flee. John tells Mary and Mary Magdalene of the arrest, and Peter follows Jesus at a distance. Caiaphas holds a trial of Jesus over the objection of some of the other priests, who are expelled from the court. When questioned by Caiaphas whether he is the son of God, Jesus replies "I AM". Caiaphas is horrified and tears his robes, and Jesus is condemned to death for blasphemy. Three times Peter denies knowing Jesus, but then runs away sobbing. Meanwhile, the remorseful Judas attempts to return the money to have Jesus freed, but is refused by the priests. Tormented by demons, he flees the city and hangs himself with a rope from a dead donkey.
Caiaphas brings Jesus before Pontius Pilate to be condemned to death, but after questioning Jesus, Pilate sends him instead to the court of Herod Antipas, as Jesus is from Herod's ruling town of Nazareth. After Jesus is returned, Pilate offers the crowd that he will chastise Jesus and then will set him free. Pilate attempts to have Jesus freed by giving the people an option of freeing Jesus or the violent criminal Barabbas. To Pilate's dismay, the crowd demands to have Barabbas freed and Jesus killed. In an attempt to appease the crowd, Pilate has Jesus brutally scourged and mocked with a crown of thorns, yet the crowd continues to demand that Jesus be crucified. Pilate is left with no choice but to reluctantly order Jesus' crucifixion.
As Jesus carries the cross along the Via Dolorosa to Calvary, Veronica wipes Jesus's face with her veil. Simon of Cyrene is unwillingly pressed into carrying the cross for Jesus. Jesus is then crucified. As he hangs from the cross, Jesus prays forgiveness for those who did this to him, and redeems a criminal crucified next to him. After Jesus gives up his spirit and dies, a single drop of rain falls from the sky, triggering an earthquake which destroys the Temple and rips the cloth covering the Holy of Holies in two, to the horror of Caiaphas and the other priests. Satan is then shown screaming in defeat in Hell. Jesus is lowered from the cross by one of the priests, Joseph of Arimathea; two Roman soldiers, one being Cassius Longinus; his youngest apostle, John; and Mary Magdalene. He is laid in the arms of his mother Mary, who looks directly at the audience in this Pietà. The movie ends with Jesus's resurrection and exit from his tomb, with the holes in his hands from the nails visible as he walks, having triumphed over Satan's temptation and Death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passion_of_the_Christ#Plot
Controversies surrounding the film:
Questions of historical accuracy Gibson's responce: "I think that my first duty is to be as faithful as possible in telling the story so that it doesn't contradict the Scriptures. Now, so long as it didn't do that, I felt that I had a pretty wide berth for artistic interpretation, and to fill in some of the spaces with logic, with imagination, with various other readings."
Promotional screenings Gibson was criticized by Abraham Foxman for holding private screenings for prominent, politically and socially conservative Christian and Jewish religious leaders yet not inviting those who had already criticized the film (such as Abraham Foxman).
Disputed papal endorsement In early December 2003, Passion of the Christ co-producer Stephen McEveety provided the film to Archbishop Stanislaw Dziwisz, the pope's secretary. Archbishop Dziwisz returned the film to McEveety and said he had watched it with John Paul II. On December 16, Daily Variety reported that the pope had seen the film, and on Dec. 17, Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan reported that John Paul II had said: "It is as it was," sourcing McEveety, who said he heard it from Dziwisz.
Allegations of anti-Semitism Before the film was even released, there were allegations of anti-Semitic content in the movie. 20th Century Fox told New York Assemblyman Dov Hikind they had passed on distributing the film in response to a protest outside the News Corp. building. Hikind warned other movie companies that "they should not distribute this film. This is unhealthy for Jews all over the world."
A joint committee of the Secretariat for Ecumenical and Inter-religious Affairs of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Department of Inter-religious Affairs of the Anti-Defamation League obtained a version of the script before it was released in theaters. They released a statement, calling it
The ADL itself also released a statement about the yet to be released movie:one of the most troublesome texts, relative to anti-Semitic potential, that any of us had seen in twenty-five years. It must be emphasized that the main storyline presented Jesus as having been relentlessly pursued by an evil cabal of Jews, headed by the high priest Caiaphas, who finally blackmailed a weak-kneed Pilate into putting Jesus to death. This is precisely the storyline that fueled centuries of anti-Semitism within Christian societies. This is also a storyline rejected by the Roman Catholic Church at Vatican II in its document Nostra Aetate, and by nearly all mainline Protestant churches in parallel documents . . . . Unless this basic storyline has been altered by Mr. Gibson, a fringe Catholic who is building his own church in the Los Angeles area and who apparently accepts neither the teachings of Vatican II nor modern biblical scholarship, The Passion of the Christ retains a real potential for undermining the repudiation of classical Christian anti-Semitism by the churches in the last forty years.
[...]For filmmakers to do justice to the biblical accounts of the passion, they must complement their artistic vision with sound scholarship, which includes knowledge of how the passion accounts have been used historically to disparage and attack Jews and Judaism. Absent such scholarly and theological understanding, productions such as The Passion could likely falsify history and fuel the animus of those who hate Jews.
Asked by Bill O'Reilly if his movie would "upset Jews," Gibson responded,
Conservative columnist Cal Thomas also tried to dispel the allegations of anti-Semitism, saying"It's not meant to. I think it's meant to just tell the truth. I want to be as truthful as possible." In a Globe and Mail newspaper interview, he added, "If anyone has distorted Gospel passages to rationalize cruelty towards Jews or anyone, it's in defiance of repeated Papal condemnation. The Papacy has condemned racism in any form... Jesus died for the sins of all times, and I'll be the first on the line for culpability".
Two Orthodox Jews, Rabbi Daniel Lapin and conservative talk-show host and author Michael Medved also vocally rejected claims that the film is anti-Semitic. They have noted the film's many sympathetic portrayals of Jews: Simon of Cyrene (who helps Jesus carry the cross), Mary Magdalene, the Virgin Mary, St. Peter, St. John, Veronica (who wipes Jesus' face and offers him water), and several Jewish priests who protest Jesus' arrest during Caiaphis's trial of Jesus."To those in the Jewish community who worry that the film, which is scheduled for release next Easter season, might contain anti-Semitic elements, or encourage people to persecute Jews, fear not. The film does not indict Jews for the death of Jesus."
Criticism of excessive violence During Diane Sawyer's interview of him, Gibson said:
I wanted it to be shocking; and I wanted it to be extreme ... So that they see the enormity — the enormity of that sacrifice; to see that someone could endure that and still come back with love and forgiveness, even through extreme pain and suffering and ridicule. The actual crucifixion was more violent than what was shown on the film, but I thought no one would get anything out of it.
Response from Evangelicals
The Passion of the Christ received support and endorsement from most known evangelical leaders and representatives of USA's conservative church organizations: Billy Graham, James Dobson, Mission America Coalition, Salvation Army, Promise Keepers, National Association of Evangelicals, Campus Crusade for Christ, Focus on the Family, Pat Robertson, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Trinity Broadcasting Network, Rick Warren, Southern Baptist Convention, Jerry Falwell, Max Lucado, Young Life, Tim LaHaye, Chuck Colson, Lee Strobel, Northern Baptist Theological Seminary, Mothers of Pre-Schoolers (MOPS).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passion_of_the_Christ#Controversies_surrounding_the_film
2006: Apocalypto (director)
Plot:
The film begins with an epigraph from Will Durant: "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within".
While hunting tapir in the Mesoamerican jungle in the early 16th century, Jaguar Paw (Rudy Youngblood), his father Flint Sky (Morris Birdyellowhead), and their fellow tribesmen encounter a procession of traumatized and fearful refugees. Speaking in Yucatec Maya, the procession's leader explains that their lands have been ravaged, and asks for Flint Sky's permission to pass through the jungle. When Jaguar Paw and his tribesmen return to their village, Flint Sky tells his son not to let the procession's state of fear seep into him. At night, the tribe's elder tells the village a fable of man forever unable to fill his want, despite having been given the capabilities of all of the animals. The villagers follow the story with music and dance, leaving Jaguar Paw to ponder.
The next morning, Jaguar Paw wakes from a nightmare to see strangers enter the village and set the huts ablaze. The raiders, led by Zero Wolf (Raoul Trujillo), attack and subdue the villagers. Jaguar Paw slips out with his pregnant wife Seven (Dalia Hernández) and his little son Turtles Run, lowering them on a vine into a small cave (a chultun, shaped something like a well) to hide them. Jaguar Paw returns to the village to fight the raiders but is subdued with the rest of the tribe. A raider whom Jaguar Paw attacks and almost kills, the vicious Middle Eye (Gerardo Taracena), slits Flint Sky's throat while Jaguar Paw helplessly watches. Flint Sky's last words are to not be afraid. Middle Eye mocks Jaguar Paw by calling him "Oulak" ("Almost"), for failing to kill him. Before the raiders leave the village with their prisoners, one raider notices Jaguar Paw staring toward the ground cave. Suspicious of Jaguar Paw's attention to the cave, the raider severs the vine leading into it, trapping Seven and Turtles Run.
The raiders and their captives trek toward the Maya city, encountering razed forests, falling trees, failed maize crops, slaves producing plaster and the sick and dying. A small diseased girl prophesies that a man bringing the jaguar will bring the raiders to those who will scratch out the earth and end their world. In the city's outskirts, the female captives are sold as slaves and the males are escorted to the top of a step pyramid. The high priest sacrifices several captives by decapitating them after pulling out their beating hearts. When Jaguar Paw is about to be sacrificed, a solar eclipse (also prophesied by the girl) stays the priest's hand. He looks at the king, sitting nearby, and the two share a smile while the people below panic at the phenomenon. The priest declares the sun god Kukulkan is satisfied with the sacrifices. He asks Kukulkan to let light return to the world and the eclipse passes. The crowd cheers in amazement and the priest orders that the remaining captives be led away and disposed of.
Zero Wolf takes the villagers to a ball court. The captives are released in pairs and forced to run the length of the open space within the ball court, offering Zero Wolf's men some target practice, with a cynical promise of freedom should they reach the end of the field alive. However, Zero Wolf's son, Cut Rock, is sent to the end of the field to "finish" any survivors. The raiders target them with javelins, arrows, and slingstones as they run. Jaguar Paw is struck by an arrow through the abdomen but reaches the end of the field and breaks off the arrowhead. As Cut Rock approaches to finish him off with an obsidian blade, Jaguar Paw shoves the broken arrow into Cut Rock's throat and escapes. As Cut Rock bleeds out with Zero Wolf easing him into the next life, Jaguar Paw runs through a withered maize field and an open mass grave. The enraged Zero Wolf and his raiders pursue Jaguar Paw into the jungle and back toward Jaguar Paw's home. Along the way, one of the raiders is killed by a black jaguar that has been disturbed by Jaguar Paw. As he flees, Jaguar Paw jumps over a high waterfall and survives, declaring from the riverbank below that the raiders are now in his homelands.
Zero Wolf's raiders jump the waterfall as well, then fall to both the forest's elements and Jaguar Paw's traps. A heavy rain sets in, which begins to flood the ground cave in which Jaguar Paw's wife and son are still trapped. Jaguar Paw kills one raider with poisoned darts, bludgeons Middle Eye in hand-to-hand combat and kills Zero Wolf by leading him into a trap meant for hunting tapir. He is chased by two remaining raiders out to a beach where they encounter what are assumed to be Spanish ships anchored off the coast, with soldiers and a priest making their way ashore in boats. The amazement of the raiders allows Jaguar Paw to flee. He returns into the forest to pull his wife and son out of the flooded pit where they are hiding, and where Seven has just given birth to a healthy second child. As the family walks near the coastline, Seven asks what the strange objects near the shore are. Jaguar Paw responds only that "they bring men". The family moves deeper into the forest, "to seek a new beginning", leaving behind the European ships off the beach.
Controversies:
Representation of the Maya The Washington Post wrote that the film depicts the Maya as a
Other writers felt that Gibson's film was more truthful about the Maya than other representations. One Mexican reporter, Juan E. Pardinas, wrote that"super-cruel, psycho-sadistic society on the skids, a ghoulscape engaged in widespread slavery, reckless sewage treatment and bad rave dancing, with a real lust for human blood."
"this historical interpretation bears some resemblances with reality […]. Mel Gibson's characters are more similar to the Mayas of the Bonampak's murals than the ones that appear in the Mexican school textbooks."
Human sacrifice Apocalypto has been criticized for portraying a type of human sacrifice which was more typical of the Aztecs than of the Maya. Archaeologist Lisa Lucero said,
Anthropology professor Karl Taube argued that,"the classic Maya really didn't go in for mass sacrifice. That was the Aztecs."
According to the film's technical advisor, the film was meant to describe the post-classic period of the Maya when fiercer influences like the Toltecs and Aztecs arrived. According to Hansen,"We know the Aztecs did that level of killing. Their accounts speak of 20,000."
Anthropology professor Stephen Houston made the criticism that sacrifice victims were more likely to be royalty and elites rather than common forest dwellers, as shown in Apocalypto. In contrast, Associate Professor William R. Fowler states that for major favors, worshippers"We know warfare was going on. The Postclassic center of Tulum is a walled city; these sites had to be in defensive positions. There was tremendous Aztec influence by this time. The Aztecs were clearly ruthless in their conquest and pursuit of sacrificial victims, a practice that spilled over into some of the Maya areas."
"offered the gods human sacrifice, usually children, slaves, or prisoners of war"
Arrival of the Spaniards According to the DVD commentary track by Mel Gibson and Farhad Safinia, the ending of the film was meant to depict the first contact between the Spaniards and Mayas that took place in 1502 during the fourth voyage of Christopher Columbus.
The thematic meaning of the arrival of the Europeans is a subject of disagreement. Traci Ardren wrote that the Spanish arrivals were Christian missionaries and that the film had a "blatantly colonial message that the Mayas needed saving because they were "rotten at the core". According to Ardren, the Gibson film "replays, in glorious big-budget technicolor, an offensive and racist notion that Maya people were brutal to one another long before the arrival of Europeans and thus they deserved, in fact they needed, rescue. This same idea was used for 500 years to justify the subjugation of Maya people". On the other hand, David van Biema questions whether the Spaniards are portrayed as saviors of the Mayas, since they are depicted ominously and Jaguar Paw decides to return to the woods. This view is supported by the reference of the Oracle Girl to those who would "Scratch out the earth. Scratch you out. And end your world." However, recalling the opening quote to the film ("A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within"), professors David Stuart and Stephen Houston have written the implication is that the Maya are so evil that they were "a civilization...that deserves to die."
I haven't seen Apocalypto yet, but I think I will watch it this week. To me his work screams conspiracies, end of time (referring to Mayas/2012) the lies surrounding the story of Christianity (fabricated history), the downfall of the mankind and he also points a finger to jews. Not all, as we could see in this part:
Conservative columnist Cal Thomas also tried to dispel the allegations of anti-Semitism, sayingTwo Orthodox Jews, Rabbi Daniel Lapin and conservative talk-show host and author Michael Medved also vocally rejected claims that the film is anti-Semitic. They have noted the film's many sympathetic portrayals of Jews: Simon of Cyrene (who helps Jesus carry the cross), Mary Magdalene, the Virgin Mary, St. Peter, St. John, Veronica (who wipes Jesus' face and offers him water), and several Jewish priests who protest Jesus' arrest during Caiaphis's trial of Jesus."To those in the Jewish community who worry that the film, which is scheduled for release next Easter season, might contain anti-Semitic elements, or encourage people to persecute Jews, fear not. The film does not indict Jews for the death of Jesus."
So far for his work. I think there is a lot more about these movies, but I should rewatch them again, it has been a while since I've seen the first three, but maybe some of you remembers them well and I would like to hear your thoughts.
Now here is some stuff I found on Mel's Wiki-page:
Religious and political views
Faith Gibson was raised a Traditionalist Catholic. [...] Gibson told Diane Sawyer that he believes non-Catholics and non-Christians can go to heaven.
Gibson's traditionalist Catholic beliefs have been the target of criticism, especially during the controversy over his film The Passion of the Christ. Gibson stated in the Diane Sawyer interview that he feels that his "human rights were violated" by the often vitriolic attacks on his person, his family, and his religious beliefs which were sparked by The Passion.
Politics Gibson complimented filmmaker Michael Moore and his documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 when he and Moore were recognized at the 2005 People's Choice Awards. Gibson's Icon Productions originally agreed to finance Moore's film, but later sold the rights to Miramax Films. Moore said that his agent Ari Emanuel claimed that "top Republicans" called Mel Gibson to tell him, "don’t expect to get more invitations to the White House". Icon's spokesman dismissed this story, saying "We never run from a controversy. You'd have to be out of your mind to think that of the company that just put out The Passion of the Christ."
In a July 1995 interview with Playboy magazine, Gibson said President Bill Clinton was a "low-level opportunist" and someone was "telling him what to do". He said that the Rhodes Scholarship was established for young men and women who want to strive for a "new world order" and this was a campaign for Marxism. Gibson later backed away from such conspiracy theories saying, "It was like: 'Hey, tell us a conspiracy'... so I laid out this thing, and suddenly, it was like I was talking the gospel truth, espousing all this political shit like I believed in it." In the same 1995 Playboy interview, Gibson argued that men and women are unequal as a reason against women priests.
In 2004, he publicly spoke out against taxpayer-funded embryonic stem-cell research that involves the cloning and destruction of human embryos. In March 2005, he condemned the outcome of the Terri Schiavo case, referring to Schiavo's death as "state-sanctioned murder".
Gibson questioned the Iraq War in March 2004. In 2006, Gibson said that the "fearmongering" depicted in his film Apocalypto "reminds me a little of President Bush and his guys."
And now we have the allegations of sexism, domestic violence and racism + his alleged alcohol abuse. They want to keep him away from his little kid and his image is being damaged to the fullest. Is he a bad person? I don't think so:
Philanthropy
Gibson at the Christmas party for charity Mending Kids in 2007. His estranged wife Robyn is the president of the charity.
Gibson and his former wife are believed to have contributed a substantial amount of money to various charities, one of which is Healing the Children. According to Cris Embleton, one of the founders, the Gibsons gave millions to provide lifesaving medical treatment to needy children worldwide.
They also supported the restoration of Renaissance artwork and giving millions of dollars to NIDA.
Gibson donated $500,000 to the El Mirador Basin Project to protect the last tract of virgin rain forest in Central America and to fund archeological excavations in the "cradle of Mayan civilization." In July 2007, Gibson again visited Central America to make arrangements for donations to the indigenous population. Gibson met with Costa Rican President Óscar Arias to discuss how to "channel the funds." During the same month, Gibson pledged to give financial assistance to a Malaysian company named Green Rubber Global for a tire recycling factory located in Gallup, New Mexico. While on a business trip to Singapore in September 2007, Gibson donated to a local charity for children with chronic and terminal illnesses.
I don't know about you guys, but this sounds too familiar for me. It looks like Mel is the new victim now they can't get at Mike. Mike did it through his music, Mel through his films. Both made very clear statements, both slandered and both gave millions to kids in need. I wonder when the news pops up that Mel abused a child or something of that kind. Something is fishy here.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Comments
See what happenend recently with Oliver Stone...
Just a quick reply, something that popped in mind after reading about Miramax Films in this part:
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I've been amazed at the people that have jumped on the bandwagon against Mel without even taking time to listen and hear the real story. They have delighted at his fall from grace so to speak. It absolutely makes me sick to think that he could be the next fall guy.
Ephesian6:10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in His mighty power.11 Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes.12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Mel upset many with his accurate portrayal of the sacrificial death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. At the same time multitudes of Christians rejoiced that this gospel message was being preached from cinemas right around the world. I would like to add that I hope they are praying for him now that he is experiencing his own public execution.
Yes, RK, you are so accurate in your account. He is in my prayers as I definitely believe the same as you do. Thanks for the reminder.
So the Rob Lowe/Tom Barrack deal is proceeding....I still think there's a possibilty that MJ is involved in this deal "behind the curtain"....
Here is the original thread:
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Peace!
This taped convo of Mel talking about his wishing he hadn't had a child with her. I just thought how many millions of phone converstaion of high ranking people that would damn them about something happen all the time. So obviously Mel is supposed to be destroyed as was Michael. It wouldn't surprise me if the tape was spliced and manipulated.
I've come full circle on the Jews, or more to the point, the Zionists/International Jews. They are carrying out their appointed tasks and roles (known to some but most not), to usher in the NWO, the Anti-Christ scenario, and very important-- they occupy Israel, until the coming of the Messiah, who will gather all the dispersed true Israelites around the world who will yield their hearts to Him and come to Israel (read the major and minor prophets of the Old Testament). Zionist Christians tend to use select verses only, which are taken out of context. The Jews in general are beautiful wonderful gifted people. We are part of a world stage drama folks.
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