ALL THE BEST EVIDENCE

HELLO I AM NEW IN THE FORUM. I HAVE BEEN A FAN OF MICHAEL FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS. AND I WISH THE BEST TO HIS FAMILY.
FOR ME THE GREATEST TEST THAT HE STILL LIVES IN THIS VIDEO IS WHICH KATHERINE DAY AND A HALF AFTER THE DEATH OF HER SON, WITH ONLY 50 YEARS, AS A WAY OF MAKING A SURPRISE AND LEAVING HIS 3 CHILDREN ORPHANS, IS DEAD. THIS PEACE IN HER FACE, LOOKING FOR PRICE FOR SLEEPING BAGS .. VERY QUIET....
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I HAVE FOLLOWED KATHERINE IN ALL AND THAT IS ... ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE... TWO DAYS AFTER HER CHILD HAS DIED, SO THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE.....
ANY mother would go to bed with medication. AND KATHERINE LOVES HER CHILDREN.
WE MUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS ONE DAY AND A HALF AFTER JUNE 25¡¡¡ ... WITH TOTAL SECURITY Michael is alive.
THAT MEANS THAT SHE HAD TO BE TWO DAYS NON-STOP CRYING AND FACE SAYS IT ALL.
kHATERINE WOULD BE BROKEN IF MICHAEL REALLY BE DEAD... I am completely convinced ... MICHAEL LIVES.
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  • fordtocarrfordtocarr Posts: 1,547
    I thought it weird at the time, she was out the next day shopping, when we know she could've sent anyone else to do it. Then I also thought, why sleeping bags? Surely they had beds, or blankets, or couches. Were they camping?
    But, now I have a different thought. I'm thinking this was more spontaneous. Like she wasn't prepared. As though the date for Michael to leave wasn't known. Maybe they rushed him out. Maybe they thwarted something bad. She wouldn't need to go get anything if it was planned. I'm putting myself in her place and I think...I'd probably just throw up my hands and say "I'll do it myself" I'm getting out of here a little bit". Notice her sorta angry face. Not sad, but tight lips. Now days she seems to me more talkative, then, nothing. No teary face.
    Makes me wonder about the planning of all this hoax. Makes me wonder if again, there wasn't someone else there, dying, and they did, hence she was caught unprepared. As we know the family wasn't that close to Michael, maybe this was all thrust upon her and she didn't really want it. Maybe it came too close to lying for her.
    Just me speculating again, as we all do...
  • Nothing wrong with going out shopping after the death of a close loved one. Everyone does his own thing, and because you don't think its right doesn't make it not for some. Get real.
  • I'm not judging khaterine ... because I love her... I just know that if someone here is a mother, like myself, is not only someone close .... OMG¡¡¡ it is a son ¡¡¡ ... and it is impossible for a mother is by this way after the death of a son .. IMPOSIBLE.
    No is the fact that leave to buy, is his face and quiet.
    If a mother survives his child, is devastated. Khaterine is not... because his son is still alive.
  • fordtocarrfordtocarr Posts: 1,547
    I agree with you Rachel.
    and guest...can you please voice YOUR opinion as I and others have without the rudeness of "get real".
    Just because you don't agree with us, don't make our opinion not a thought.
  • I am a mother and it is possible. Don't you remember MJ's children were brought over to stay at Katherine's house after his death. Maybe they wanted to camp outside? We don't know the circumstances and its ridiculous to even speculate.
  • I'm just speculating ... but my opinion is that the June 25 Michael went to protect his lives (and his childs life...) because they tried to assassinate him and he is protected in some way and then Khaterine and family, decided to be comforting his children by a camping or somenthing like that, u know... But I really feel in my heart that Michael did not die that day. Michael leaves his family to protect their lives and himself.
    Love u all
  • paula-cpaula-c Posts: 7,221
    It is true, and that precisely khaterine do that, when they have employees that very well what can do. The video of Khaterine shopping was done with all the intention.
  • It is true, and that precisely khaterine do that, when they have employees that very well what can do. The video of Khaterine shopping was done with all the intention.


    well, your eyes don't lie, the media do.

    look in the mirror and you will see what you have to see.
    <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> the intention is sooo obvious.
    They wanted to show us the absurdity of the situation:

    An old mother that has lost his beloved worldwide famous son has a necessity to buy many! sleeping bags in ordinary store in front of all papparazzi instead of grieving and mourning the lost at home, instead of sending bodyguards, friends etc to do this insted of herself...

    have you noticed that she is walking slowly and slowly..an ordinary day for her!

    MICHAEL IS ALIVE, your are right, Rachel!
  • For me it's the best of all tests. The best. I have no doubt. Because I could hear Khaterine in each and every one of her interviews, and I would like all to see if you have not done.
    First, Khaterine has maintained a daily relationship with Michael, and even more so living so close, please pay no attention to rumors that they did not. That's not true.
    Secondly, we do not need to know about psychology to realize that Khaterine would do anything for her children, and she adores her son as any mother.
    For this reason, I think Michael on June 25 had to leave.
    Michael was ahead of his death. I know that. He sought help from the government, and somehow, I hope we know some day, had to leave leaving his children alone with his mother and family. So Paris said "would not be able to do this without you "and Khaterine in the interview with Oprah is excited not by the fact that Michael had died, but because Michael had to leave, probably in a hurry, because he was being attacked or threatened. Furthermore I believe that behind every one of the words uttered Khaterine in the interview with Oprah, are delivered by Michael himself.
    The family is excited at times, just because they know EVERYTHING that is behind all the threats he had and for all that are riding to protect: PRETEND YOU HAVE A DEATH OF A SON, A BROTHER, A FATHER to protect him. Imagine the place of them all.
    Do not know if it shopping was intentional that output to purchase Khaterine day, I think not, but it did. She stayed with the children and their cousins did not want to leave alone when Michael had to go. And maybe she was not expecting to meet with the paparazzi.
    If Michael had died she would be devastated. Devastated.
    Of that I am completely safe.
    Michael lives is a reality
  • MissGMissG Posts: 7,403
    Rachel, it has passed the mind of some that Michael may be was in danger, but don´t you think that if that is the reality the whole situation would have been "less commercial"?

    It is not very credible that MJ is dead. The funeral was totally staged, like a movie and the family has been very ambiguous since day one.
  • fordtocarrfordtocarr Posts: 1,547
    Or...
    Maybe it is just simply a MOVIE! Maybe it it just US who search for reasons. Maybe he is doing what he planned alright, making a movie, involving the world, us. Maybe WE invent all the scenarios. Perhaps he's reading all our ideas and reasons for leaving, sitting in some control room before a camera and laughing. Maybe all the world's reactions, plots, schemes are the movie. How he can control just as much as the media. Look, that's what he wanted to do, and as a result look at us...look at the world, still hanging onto anything, any clue he puts our for reactions. TMZ. Court. Ads. You name it. We try to decide what it means, and the world is out for justice.
    Just again..a thought.
  • Bee BeeBee Bee Posts: 391
    Nothing wrong with going out shopping after the death of a close loved one. Everyone does his own thing, and because you don't think its right doesn't make it not for some. Get real.

    Reading your first sentence I thought you were joking... Nothing wrong with going shopping after the death of a close loved one? Yeah, if you consider it alright to either be cold or mentally disturbed, then there's nothing wrong with it at all.
  • Rachel, I agree with what you said. I haven't seen a drop of devastation from this mother who lost her son, have we ever seen, at least, a tissue be used??? maybe?
    Good grief, to this day, I can easily tear up when I see or hear something about MJ,
    after 19 months and this still happens to me?

    BTW.... I liked her purple and yellow blouse <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • I know that each person grieves in their own way. And had it been just anybody's mother, ok, maybe I would buy it, but I would still find it odd. But, Katherine is the mother of the King of Pop, one of the most famous people in the world. And, I believe that she would know that she would be followed into the store by the paps and it would be "breaking news."...at least on TMZ. So, just like so many other things, this one just doesn't add up. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

    Now, I wouldn't say that Katherine has never looked sad and full of anquish. But, I believe when she does, she is not thinking about Michael "dead", but more like, when will she see him again and is he alright.

    Thanks for sharing this Rachel. It's been a while since we discussed this.
  • I know that each person grieves in their own way

    Or differently ...
    Been there done that only it was three close family member's in one year.

    It does not matter if they are the King Of Pop or a normal person that you loved.
    It has been my experience that I go into a state of auto pilot and numbness...perhaps shock.
    You just do what you have to do and have the 19th nervous breakdown later...privately is my preference.

    So yeah it looked odd to us spectator's ...unless you have walked that path ...WO the camera's.
    It made all of the sense in the world to me when I heard Janet say..."jackson's don't cry." on the CNN interview.
    Not in public anyway.

    So you really cannot gauge their actions and decide that Michael is still alive from that.
  • MashMikeMashMike Posts: 1,312
    Rachel u're so right, this is one of the best evidences for me that MJ is alive, i know people cope with grief differently but being such a carrying and loving mother as Mrs Katherine is, i don't think she would be able to go shopping 1 day after her son's "death", it's impossible.
  • I know many of the family have said that the Jacksons did not cry.
    And I believe that. But that's not the point.
    See the face of Khaterine.. her face is absolutely calm, she is looking at the price tags of sleeping bags, her gestures, her movements. Do you think that face on Khaterine would when just the day before she saw Michael lying on a stretcher cold? Impossible.
    She reminds me of my mother, and I assure you that if Michael had died, she would be devastated crying in private with her family and would most likely be sedated to ease the pain.
    In this case, is a son. A son who was still young with only 50 years, a son who has 3 children still young people who allegedly left orphans. It is devastating and even more so as a loving mother as she is. Like most mothers.
    Even more I would say, is that the first day of the death of a son you can be in shock, but for a mother not think so, because only wonder why her son and not she has to die; but the day after is worse because it is more aware of what happened. And yet, if she had cried the death of her son in private with his family, cried seas, her face would be swollen, decomposed, because mourn the death of a son is the worst that can happen to a mother.
    She said "If they told me you were dead , it would kill me".
    She did not expect the paparazzi there. Even some of them tell her they feel her loss she does not answer. When she is always friendly and even not a shy "thank you. "
    Oh God¡ It is so clear...This is not a shopping spree for example with one of her daughters or one of her children grabbed her arm.
    Clearly, her son had not died.
  • it is all one big puzzle isn't it?
  • This was disgussed many times. And I personally have been saying many many times this shopping video is one of the biggest clues that Michael is alive and it was done intentionally w/someone who recorded and placed on youtube for us. For normal mother, it is NOT possible to shopping on the 3rd day of child's death.Here, we are talking about worldwide known big star's "death" and mother should think that it would have looked looked very weird for the world that 80 years old mother went do shopping whereas she could sent anybody to buy slippers that all of a sudden were so needed in that chaos and tragedy days.
  • MissGMissG Posts: 7,403
    it is all one big puzzle isn't it?

    Too big <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • I thought it weird at the time, she was out the next day shopping, when we know she could've sent anyone else to do it. Then I also thought, why sleeping bags? Surely they had beds, or blankets, or couches. Were they camping?
    But, now I have a different thought. I'm thinking this was more spontaneous. Like she wasn't prepared. As though the date for Michael to leave wasn't known. Maybe they rushed him out. Maybe they thwarted something bad. She wouldn't need to go get anything if it was planned. I'm putting myself in her place and I think...I'd probably just throw up my hands and say "I'll do it myself" I'm getting out of here a little bit". Notice her sorta angry face. Not sad, but tight lips. Now days she seems to me more talkative, then, nothing. No teary face.
    Makes me wonder about the planning of all this hoax. Makes me wonder if again, there wasn't someone else there, dying, and they did, hence she was caught unprepared. As we know the family wasn't that close to Michael, maybe this was all thrust upon her and she didn't really want it. Maybe it came too close to lying for her.
    Just me speculating again, as we all do...

    I agree with you, Katherine had body guards, why didn't she send the bodyguards buy sleeping bags.. You do not need to have a bachelors degree to buy sleeping bags.. <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> You can see them in youtube with Katherine. I am a mother of 2 and if my son had passed away there will be no way in hell I will go out to buy sleeping bags.
  • I agree with you, Katherine had body guards, why didn't she send the bodyguards buy sleeping bags.. You do not need to have a bachelors degree to buy sleeping bags.. <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> You can see them in youtube with Katherine. I am a mother of 2 and if my son had passed away there will be no way in hell I will go out to buy sleeping bags.

    Mebbe she wanted to get away from the hoards of people both inside and outside of her house....and following her everywhere...
    You know the creed for a lot of women....
    When in doubt GO SHOPPING.
  • I agree with you, Katherine had body guards, why didn't she send the bodyguards buy sleeping bags.. You do not need to have a bachelors degree to buy sleeping bags.. <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> You can see them in youtube with Katherine. I am a mother of 2 and if my son had passed away there will be no way in hell I will go out to buy sleeping bags.

    Mebbe she wanted to get away from the hoards of people both inside and outside of her house....and following her everywhere...
    You know the creed for a lot of women....
    When in doubt GO SHOPPING.


    This would be great for a normal woman that is not in the spot light. She is in the spotlight, you have all this in your hands, bodyguards let them go buy the sleeping bags. This is another clue telling us that Michael did not die. I for one wouldn't be able to go shopping if i had a son who just died.
  • PureLovePureLove Posts: 5,891
    Rachel u're so right, this is one of the best evidences for me that MJ is alive, i know people cope with grief differently but being such a carrying and loving mother as Mrs Katherine is, i don't think she would be able to go shopping 1 day after her son's "death", it's impossible.

    Totally agree with you. I was shocked when I first heard about it. And the kids wanted to do camping! No way for them to do camping just a day after they lost their daddy. I can not even imagine that they would want to do camping after a sudden "death" like Michael's.

    P.S:Welcome to the forum Rachel. Hope you enjoy it here.
    <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
  • fordtocarrfordtocarr Posts: 1,547
    Oh, if the death were real...first they are at the hospital...at some point they had to go back to Hayvenhurst and sleep. Next day, gramma shops. All the arrangement confusion, press there, people at the gates..phone calls, people coming from far away, kids crying. And, go camping? How'd that even come up?
    I thought then immediately, Michael is waiting someplace and they are in seclusion...cabin?? I mean, one of the sisters DID go in Carolwood and get pillows!!!
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