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  • PT Barnum y el hoax del gigante de Cardiff:
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  • El tío de Murray:

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  • Ataud del memorial:

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    Del funeral:

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    A mi me parece el mismo...
    Cómo lo veis?
    Lo damos por descartado?
  • Este es el OTRO funeral en Forest Lawn Hollywood Hills (no Glendale), parece ser que es el día del memorial por la mañana (7 de Julio)... algo rarísimo y que no entiendo porqué los medios no se preguntan nada... no se supone que esa tarde estaría en el Staples?
    No se supone que todo el mundo estuvo luego 2 meses preguntándose cuándo lo enterraban... ningún sentido... Sólo si fuera algo simbólico, pero es que las imágenes muestran tumba, agujero...

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    Este vídeo es del 6 de Julio, la tarde/noche antes...
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    Como sabréis Forest Lawn tiene varios cementerios, la cripta y el funeral son de Glendale.
    Esto es Hollywood Hills, que es hacia donde van los Jack5ons en el reality cuando van a visitar la tumba.
    Y es el barrio de Carolwoods... son barrios limítrofes.
  • Asunto ex-mujer/pareja (no se casaron) de Jermaine:
    Personal life
    On December 15, 1973, Jackson married Hazel Gordy, who is the daughter of Motown Records founder Berry Gordy.[6][7] Their first child was Jermaine La Jaune Jackson, Jr. aka Jay, (born January 27, 1977 in California), their daughter Autumn Jackson was (born July 10, 1978) Jaimy Jackson (born March 17, 1987).[8] Jackson also had a relationship with Margaret Maldonado. After his divorce from Gordy in 1988, Jackson started living with Maldonado. The couple had two children named Jeremy Maldonado Jackson, (born December 16, 1986) and Jourdynn Michael Jackson, (born October 7, 1989). He has kids with Randy's ex-wife Alejandra Oaziaza who gave birth to two sons Jaffar Jackson (born July 25, 1996) and Jermajesty Jackson (born October 3, 2000).

    Halima Rashid, became Jackson's second legal wife, marrying in 2004. Rashid is originally from Afghanistan. [14] They currently live in Los Angeles, but frequently travel around the world. Many also mistake Jermaine's daughter Dawn with Halima because of their odd resemblances

    Margaret Maldonado y Alejandra Oaziaza casada con Randy (no Tito).
    Entre estas dos una es colombiana, vive en Encino a través de engaños y tienen un lio del copón... a ver si lo encuentro bien...
  • La primera foto de TII

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    Si os fijais, se ve cómo las estructuras del cartel acaban en la línea de la video wall... no es real.

    La foto en grande, se ve muy bien aquí (hasta las cuerdas de la video wall):
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    A mi el monolito me da la sensación de puerta ¿?
    Demasiado grande... Etapa de audio? Relacionado con la rampa?
    Un misterio aún para mi.

    La foto que subí:

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    La secuencia y cómo da la sensación de ser decorado físico por la animación anterior... una ilusión.
    La magia del cine... la edición... y cómo trabaja el subconsciente:

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    Lo mismo en Stop the love you save:

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    The way you make me feel:

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    Smooth Criminal:

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  • Joder Some, pero como puedes tener tanto material y saber de todo? desde luego en vez de wikipedia debia cambiar a SOMEPEDIA! jajaja

    Hoy no tengo mucho tiempo y hay cosas que quiero ver con calma y matizar/preguntar mas, a ver que dice el resto y yo te prometo una replica pronto!

    Muchas gracias otra vez!
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    Muchas gracias Enjoy... retentiva y haber seguido el tema.
    Todo esto esta genial porque es un repaso y un guión para llegar a conclusiones más claras.
    Si desbancamos algo... a la saca de descartados...
  • Esta es la historia de Alejandra Oaziaza.

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    Randy estuvo casado con ella y tuvieron 2 hijos.
    Tras separarse Jermaine tuvo 2 hijos con ella, Jaffar Jackson (1996) y Jermajesty Jackson (2000)
    Re: MICHAEL TO UNITE WITH KIDS...SOON!
    by nakupendapia » Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:54 pm
    Yeah, I just watch Maura new video and does seem that the children will be reuniting with MJ. When I heard that Randy is the one who called Social Services; that made me think MJ wants the kids with him. Also, I think this is a way to declare Jermaine's ex-wife an unfit mother. They are trying to get her out of the house. She is 40, no education and no job. Just living off Katherine, MJ's, Janet's and Jermaine's money. I think she is the one that slept with Joe Jackson.

    ...WHAT?????...sorry, if this is true it's just nasty disgusting !
    come on Mike, do something! this is just eurkkkk!..

    on the other hand ..did you guys see that message a while ago (october 09) about Jermaine and Alejandra...and an INSIDER' long email I supposed you noticed THAT sentenced?

    "She uses her children to get huge amounts of money from Katherine, this money now is coming from Michael Jackson’s estate who loves his nephews and niece dearly and doesn’t mind supporting them, but not Alejandra who is 40 years of age with little to no education and no career."

    "WHO LOVES HIS NEPHEWS AND NIECE...AND DOESN'T MIND SUPPORTING THEM..heuu how coud he??? he is "DEAD" innit????

    I am sure it's someone closely connected to the family (exact knowledge of when the money was paid in Alejandra bank account!!!..) that is to tell her exactly that they will be busting her anytime IMO...

    Just for recap below...
    Dear TMZ,
    I am writing to you on behalf of the story that you wrote about Jermaine Jackson and his ex wife Alejandra Oaziaza. I am a Jackson family insider. It has come to my knowledge that she is writing gossip sites spreading malicious lies about this family and his relationship with his children, Jaafar and Jermajesty Jackson. Alejandra has been living with Katherine Jackson since 1985, illegally while married to someone else and even ran away from her country of South America. She lied about her real age and the status of her marriage at the time, she was married to Nicholas Ray! She married Nicholas Ray in 1987 in a secret ceremony because she needed a green card and was in the country illegally. She left her homeland of Columbia as a minor to which her family did not know where she was, she came to America to live with Nicholas’s family, whom she had met in Columbia.
    Alejandra met Randy Jackson when she was 16 years old and lied to him about her age, telling him she was 18 years old. He moved her into the Jackson family home on October 16th, 1985. She was a minor at this time and the Jacksons continued to let them live with her because she also told Randy Jackson she was homeless. This was not the truth, she had been living in Beverly Hills with Nicolas’s family but also lied to them and said she was moving back to Columbia, when in fact she had taken up a residence at the Jackson family home.

    She married Nicholas Ray on March 2nd, 1987 while still living with the Jacksons. She kept this marriage a secret because she continued to live at the residence. Nicholas lived in Brentwood, California and was lied to as well. Alejandra told him she was going back to Columbia to be with her mother and brother. She moved out of the Encino Compound briefly in 1988, Randy Jackson brought her a condo in Beverly Hills but later kicked her out because he found out about her relationship with Nicholas. At this time, Alejandra had dropped out of school and lost all contact with the Jacksons, she flew out of the country to Columbia. Katherine Jackson knew at this time she was pregnant with her first child and ordered for her to come back to the family home. She had been writing to Katherine and making phone calls to her to get Katherine on her side. Randy Jackson brought back Alejandra and their daughter Genevieve, at this time he was married to Eliza Shaffy and Alejandra knew of this marriage. He separated from Eliza and later divorced her in 1991. At this time, him and Alejandra had a room at his mother’s home with their daughter Genevieve, their adopted son and Alejandra was pregnant with their son Randy Jr. Randy Jackson married Alejandra Jackson on February 13th, 1993. They had a private ceremony that was actually not legal because Alejandra was married to Nicholas Ray.

    Before Randy Jr. was born, Alejandra flew back to Columbia claiming that Randy Jackson had threatened to kill her, she lived here for 6 months until again Randy Jackson came to get her where she went back to the Jackson family home. On March 5th 1995 Alejandra married Jermaine Jackson, Randy’s big brother without ever telling Randy. Jermaine Jackson and Alejandra had been having an affair since 1991. So Alejandra is a liar, she’s crazy and should not be trusted. She has caused trouble and rifts within the Jackson household for years and should not be held in good favor. It was later acknowledged by the judge that Alejandra Jackson’s marriage to Jermaine Jackson held no merit because she had been married to Nicholas Ray since 1987! She had even been receiving money from Nicholas throughout her marriage to Jermaine. She also lied and said she filed for divorce from Jermaine, when in actuality, Jermaine filed for divorce. The court papers can prove this.
    Katherine Jackson has spoken to me several times about Alejandra and how she wanted to testify in court to get Alejandra out of her home. The judge is only letting Alejandra live at the residence because she has no job, no support at this time in her life. Katherine, Michael, Janet, and Jermaine Jackson have all supported Alejandra Jackson. They have given her cash, money orders, gift cards and other valuable assets to help her by the judge that Alejandra Jackson’s marriage to Jermaine Jackson held no merit because she had been married to Nicholas Ray since 1987! She had even been receiving money from Nicholas throughout her marriage to Jermaine. She also lied and said she filed for divorce from Jermaine, when in actuality, Jermaine filed for divorce. The court papers can prove this.
    Katherine Jackson has spoken to me several times about Alejandra and how she wanted to testify in court to get Alejandra out of her home. The judge is only letting Alejandra live at the residence because she has no job, no support at this time in her life. Katherine, Michael, Janet, and Jermaine Jackson have all supported Alejandra Jackson. They have given her cash, money orders, gift cards and other valuable assets to help her maintain her lifestyle. Alejandra Jackson continues to live at the Hayvenhurst home with all her children, Katherine Jackson, Michael Jackson’s children and several other family members.
    Jermaine Jackson would love to have custody of his children because Alejandra is an unfit mother, she uses profane language with her children and sometimes forces physically violence which the kids have told Katherine and Jermaine about. She uses her children to get huge amounts of money from Katherine, this money now is coming from Michael Jackson’s estate who loves his nephews and niece dearly and doesn’t mind supporting them, but not Alejandra who is 40 years of age with little to no education and no career.
    On August 5th, 2009 Katherine Jackson gave Alejandra $1,000 dollars on behalf of Jermaine Jackson, Alejandra lied to Katherine and said Jermaine did not come through with his child support payment but he deposited $650 dollars into her account on July 22nd, 2009.
    Everyone in the Jackson family has supported Alejandra Jackson over the years, giving her money and other necessities. Her presence in the home with Michael’s children alarmed me and I was reassured by a Jackson insider that Katherine brought Grace, the children’s former nanny into the home because of incidents involving Michael’s children and Alejandra Jackson. This has caused a rift within the home where it is volatile for children.
    In 2001, Katherine Jackson talked with Jermaine Jackson about getting custody of his children so that they court can order Alejandra out of the home, Katherine did not go through with this. My sources tell me that Jaafar and Jermajesty Jackson would love to live with their grandmother and their cousins and are scared of their mother. Grace has also been ordered by Katherine to look after Jaafar and Jermajesty, the boys have taken to her just like their cousins. Something tells me that none of this will end well. I have a feeling that the entire family is getting together to get Alejandra out once and for all. It will get nasty over the next couple of weeks or months, I also hear from a source Alejandra is trying to flee the country again because she has stolen money from Katherine and someone in the house hold has found out and is threatening her. I also am hearing that Katherine wants all legal rights to her children. I will write more later…..the story is developing

    Everyone in the Jackson family has supported Alejandra Jackson over the years, giving her money and other necessities. Her presence in the home with Michael’s children alarmed me and I was reassured by a Jackson insider that Katherine brought Grace, the children’s former nanny into the home because of incidents involving Michael’s children and Alejandra Jackson. This has caused a rift within the home where it is volatile for children.
    In 2001, Katherine Jackson talked with Jermaine Jackson about getting custody of his children so that they court can order Alejandra out of the home, Katherine did not go through with this. My sources tell me that Jaafar and Jermajesty Jackson would love to live with their grandmother and their cousins and are scared of their mother. Grace has also been ordered by Katherine to look after Jaafar and Jermajesty, the boys have taken to her just like their cousins. Something tells me that none of this will end well. I have a feeling that the entire family is getting together to get Alejandra out once and for all. It will get nasty over the next couple of weeks or months, I also hear from a source Alejandra is trying to flee the country again because she has stolen money from Katherine and someone in the house hold has found out and is threatening her. I also am hearing that Katherine wants all legal rights to her children. I will write more later…..the story is developing

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    Jermaine Jackson's Wacky Custody Battle
    Originally posted Oct 30th 2007 9:53 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

    Jermaine Jackson and ex-wife Alejandra's custody hearing ended last week with his request for 50/50 custody being denied, and still having to pay spousal and child support -- but the battle isn't over yet!

    TMZ has obtained court documents granting Jermaine's request to seek amendment nullifying his marriage to Alejandra -- because she was allegedly married to Nicholas Ray at the time she and Jackson tied the knot! The judge, who called the case "a giant fog," has sent the wayward duo to a mediation appointment in Conciliation Court to sort it all out.

    This messy case has a laundry list of he said/she said declarations. Adding to the weirdness ... before she married Jermaine, Alejandra had two children with his brother Randy!
  • Respecto a los dintistos ataudes, creo que no deberiamos descartarlo, para mi son diferentes, si nos fijamos en la siguiente foto
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    haced click <!-- m -->http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6514/496s.th.jpg<!-- m --> para verla un poco mas grande, se ve que las asas son distintas, andaba por youtube un video buenísimo sobre esto, pero no lo encuentro <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->, también creo que había algo en el blog de seeingclues pero tampoco lo encuentro <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->, hoy no es mi dia!!
  • La imagen no agranda... así aunque se ve muy mal, veo lo que dices, en las anteriores se verá.
    Si hay dudas mejor dejarlo ahí no?... son consideraciones... en la lista hay muchas, tampoco es que sea una lista de hechos.

    Mirando estas me parcen el mismo, pero las sombras cambian...

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  • Carolwood
    -Llamada de Murray a un paciente
    -Llamada de Murray a Nicole Alvarez


    El caso de Murray
    -Nicole Alvarez, ex stripper y novia de Murray, madre de su hijo, llamada a testificar
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    Constantes
    -Todas las grabaciones antiguas filtradas/publicadas: Accidente Pepsi, cintas secretas, Rabi, declaraciones de MJ ante la policía, las cintas telefónicas de Glenda

    Neverland
    -Orianthi actua en Neverland 14/4/2010, fuente Samantha y twitter de Orianthi.

    Extraño eso de que ahora se actúa en Neverland <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> ????
    Esta Samantha si no me equivoco es la fan que estuvo en contacto con él antes del 25J y quien asegura que MJ grababa el interior de la casa. Tema interesante.
    Minamai, esta tiene algo que ver con la que twitteaba sobre GH? Es ella?
  • Alguien sabe algo de la asistente (?) de Murray y su hermana?
    Lawenda y Lowanda o algo así <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
    Estoy buscándolo para meterlo y sin los nombres, imposible.
    Se supone que Murray mandó a una a un almacén a por algo no? <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • Antes del O2
    -MJ despide a John Branca en 2003 y solicita todos sus documentos. Branca nunca los entrega (testamento 2002?) Carta - Transcripción declaración Murnau - Video

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    -Contrato con AEG para THIS IS IT (filtrado)

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  • Alguien sabe algo de la asistente (?) de Murray y su hermana?
    Lawenda y Lowanda o algo así <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
    Estoy buscándolo para meterlo y sin los nombres, imposible.
    Se supone que Murray mandó a una a un almacén a por algo no? <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

    Laquisha and Laquanda
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  • Gracias Lovene!

    *Editado hasta aquí*
  • MinamaiMinamai Posts: 431
    Hola chic@s lo del conductor de la ambulancia lo añadí porque según el artículo de tamariz el chofer que golpeó a la ambulancia, iba a recoger a Michael al hospital cedars sinai medical center¿? qué hacía Michael en ese hospital en abril?? parece ser que después de recogerle fué a una tienda de antiguedades.
    Lo de Paris era un video que no puedo encontrar ahora, hecho después de navidades y aparentemente en Encino con su regalo de navidad que era una patineta con motor decían que regalo de su padre y en un momento dado ella se va con la patineta hacia una parte oscura y ahí parece la voz de Michael además cuando ella regresa a la luz lo hace marcha atrás y dice mirando a la cámara ¡Mira el moonwolk!se oyen unas buenas risas y después acercándose a la cámara dice ¡en tú cara!
    De Sandra no sé si ella puede ser la de GH no he oido nada al respecto.
    Este hilo está geniallllll y no tengo mucho tiempo ahora ...
    A.M.O.R
  • -TMZ lo sabe antes, lo anuncia 6 minutos antes de la hora oficial de la muerte. Harvey declara a CNN que es porque estaban seguros (?!!)

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    Tengo que extraer todo lo de este vídeo... casi da para una resumida sección TMZ...

    Hace poco estuvimos buscando aquí la primera fuente del propofol, recordáis?
    Comprobamos que era TMZ...
    Lo de M Joe J es buenísimo también.
  • Gracias Mina, recuerdo el video... ya está todo en la lista... añadiré los detalles.
    Un hospital judío?!
    El hilo seguirá aquí cuando tengas más tiempo para venir a deslumbrarnos con tus asombrosos hallazgos... <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

    Estoy segura de que tendrá empujones esporádicos... poco a poco
    Al final vamos a tener que escribir el libro <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • MinamaiMinamai Posts: 431
    Abrí un hilo aquí en el foro español el 26 de noviembre del año pasado creo que es el segundo que hice aquí diciendo que la llamada se hizo desde un hotel pero he buscado porque el video era de youtube y han eliminado el video..... <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: -->
  • Ese fragmento sale en el de arriba tb.
    Ese vídeo es una pieza fundamental de todo, si tenemos en cuenta que es la misma secuencia en la que además se ve a Michael. Rafaela dijo que el video no se habia borrado porque ya estaba extendido y no se pudo, se les escapó.
    Quizá el video que tu linkaste era original y ahora lo han borrado <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
    Sabes en que canal estaba?
  • MinamaiMinamai Posts: 431
    Michael visto en casa de Tito dspués de su muerte.
    La u´ltima gira de jackson 5 se iba a llamar the final courtain .
    Casualidad la misma chaqueta de bailarines tii y foto de victory de un hermano jackson.
    Manager de E´casanova en el funeral y no el propio Casanova.
    En la vita aérea del funeral las filas son de 7 sillas,hay 7 ramos de flores y 7 columnas detrás de ellas.

    Y ahora qué letra del abecedario es la 7? G de GH por ejemplo????
    En cuanto lo del enlace de la llamada al hotel te mando el enlace pero ya no está.

    A.M.O.R
  • antes de que se me olvide, he preguntado a mi marido lo de poder cambiar la fecha en una foto, esta bastante enterado de estos temas porque es un apasionado de la fotografia, y me ha dicho que esos metadatos se llaman datos xif de una foto, que normalmente no se pueden modificar pero que en la red hay programitas que si pueden hacerlo como por ejemplo el jhead.

    La pregunta es, solo esta cambiada la fecha de uno de los fotogramas de la secuencia de la camilla? o es todo el video? si solo es un fotograma no tiene mucho sentido no? auqnue se podria explicar como que toda la secuencia es del dia 24J y ese fotograma se les olvido cambiarlo, o lo dejaron como pista adrede.. que decis?

    voy a responder poco a poco al monton de cosas! como mola este hilo! la verdad es que ayuda a unir las cosas, al menos a mi sirve de mucho porque tanta informacion en ingles al final acabo pensando que no la he pillado del todo por las cosas sorprendentes que leo..

    Por cierto, que fuerte me parece lo de la expareja de randy/Jermaina, Alejandra, esa mujer es un parasito! jajaja menudo culebron, pobres niños.. y Some, en el trocito que pegas donde parece que alguien les escribe a TMZ contandoles toda la movida con la tipa esta, quien se supone que es? y se sabe si TMZ le contesto algo o hizo algo?
  • El tío de Murray:

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    No habia visto esta foto! <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
    Yo creo que el tipo es el mismo pero caracterizado! si fuese su padre aun me harias dudar.. pero es que es igual! la nariz, los ojos, los labios, la forma de la cara.. para mi es una caracterizacion..
  • MinamaiMinamai Posts: 431
    Si les enviamos estas dos fotos a las marias nos hacen una tesis docotoral y nos dicen el diametro de cintura de cada uno de los Murray <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
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