I do not think it's a lack of respect for Michael, unlike what is shown is that there is such a large number of surgeries as the media says, is the change that has anyone with the passage of time <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
Ok, this thread is 2 weeks or more old. I am just seeing it, so I want to comment. Just to say, thanks for this post. The inflated number of surgeries reported always perturbed me. Also people believing some rediculous stories, (ie: MJs nose falling off). So, thanks for the somewhat realistic discussion. One love.
He looks gorgeous, no matter what. Damn that man is so hot!!
Absolutely correct, Rowdyangel. For me, MJ at 50 in TII, melted me to the core. That man is sooooooooooooo gorgeous at any age. MJ is sheer male perfection to me! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I remember when that Martin dude was interviewing Michael, Michael said he had 2 surguries done on his nose. I know one of those came from him tripping over a cord (or Joe's leg) during some era, which ended as a broken nose, so the other surgury came from...
He looks good either way to me. I dont care how many surgeries he had. His life, his choice, and his business.
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I remember when that Martin dude was interviewing Michael, Michael said he had 2 surguries done on his nose. I know one of those came from him tripping over a cord (or Joe's leg) during some era, which ended as a broken nose, so the other surgury came from...
Sometimes it is necessary to "correct" a plastic surgery, because after a few years time after the 1st one you might notice that something isn´t right (for example with the cartilage or the scars...).
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<!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> i read through this thread and just have to agree with you. i read a lot of stuff like mike had an eye lifting, bags removed under his eyes, whatever...i don't think any of it is true. nose - yes, chin - yes (doubt the chin implant, tho), botox 'maybe', fillers yes. the rest of the face changed because of aging. mike said it himself: 'it's called aging. my face squared out with age.' (batshit docu)
here's my argument: i was married to an afro-american, he's 13 years older than me. i'll be 45 this year, so i'm in a similar 'age range' here. i have crow's feet, bags under the eyes developing and a distinct line going down from the side of my nose. my ex-hubby, except for 'squaring out', has less wrinkles than me, no bags under eyes. only his salt&pepper beard will tell that he's even older than me. we have a son whose face shape has changed drastically in the past year into 'squaring out', he's 19 now. i have a lot of afro-american family and if i didn't know their ages, you couldn't tell, cuz 'black don't crack', absolutely right! janet jackson is a year younger than me, she looks 20, i look my age...and i don't think janet had anything else done other than her nose (at least not in her face).
mike's skin looked white but the skin was still afro-american underneath. means no or little wrinkles here, thus no lifting necessary.
We can't deny Michael has had quite a lot of plastic surgeries and it's OK, you can't undo the past. All I can say is that I find MJ very attractive, then AND now.
My sister in law is black and her skin is very smooth - she is 45 - there is no way on God's green earth that she would ever need a facelift - unlike her white counterparts, some of who are quite lucky and don't look their age, but on the whole, black people's skin ages much better than white people (imho).
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Can you explain this a bit better? To me, it just seems like he lost the baby fat on his face...
exactly...there was no chin implant...he just grew up...like everyone else does
So many people wanna say he all this work done, but they're just looking at pics from dif angles/poses/lighting...if anyone actually examines these pics they can tell that it's the same Mike...2 nose jobs and added a chin cleft...that's what he said and that's what i see...why can't we just believe Michael?
Most mens faces square out, in the jaw area as they grow into men & age. Regardless of race, it is just natural. My uncle is half black/half white & when he was younger his jaw was very narrow, but as he got older & became a man, his face started to square out, now he's about 49 & his jaw is very pronounced & square, it looks quite different from when he was a child, but the rest of his face looks the same, just older. The same thing is happening to a lot of my guy friends, my brothers & some of my cousins & they are all of different races, mixed backgrounds. It's called AGING. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> MJ did have surgeries on his nose but when he says 2, I believe him, that's obvious. He had his cleft more defined & that's all I see. His whole family has the high cheekbones, so naturally he has them too. I don't believe he had a chin implant at all, since I have seen with my own eyes how males age & that seems to be what happened there with MJ, & his eyes are the same. He may have had botox once or multiple times, but who in Hollywood doesn't? He probably did it to keep the wrinkles away, if he even had any. Also, his mouth doesn't seem different to me either. As for the teeth looking different sometimes like some people have discussed before, that doesn't mean anything, we don't know his dental history, whether he had a bunch of cavities or anything. Maybe he had some dental work done. That's really minor. It also happens with age or if you lived your whole life LOVING sweets <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ]But to me, I think they're the same. That's just what I see clearly with my own eyes by looking instead of listening to what the media says or letting other people form opinions for me. Anything else the media tries to say is a load of BS, obviously we've learned that they'll say anything.
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Can you explain this a bit better? To me, it just seems like he lost the baby fat on his face...
exactly...there was no chin implant...he just grew up...like everyone else does
So many people wanna say he all this work done, but they're just looking at pics from dif angles/poses/lighting...if anyone actually examines these pics they can tell that it's the same Mike...2 nose jobs and added a chin cleft...that's what he said and that's what i see...why can't we just believe Michael?
According to Michael Jackson himself he did alter his chin, he wrote it in his book.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Chin implant? <!-- s:| -->:|<!-- s:| -->
Can you explain this a bit better? To me, it just seems like he lost the baby fat on his face...
exactly...there was no chin implant...he just grew up...like everyone else does
So many people wanna say he all this work done, but they're just looking at pics from dif angles/poses/lighting...if anyone actually examines these pics they can tell that it's the same Mike...2 nose jobs and added a chin cleft...that's what he said and that's what i see...why can't we just believe Michael?
According to Michael Jackson himself he did alter his chin, he wrote it in his book.
Yes, it is obvious he did alter his chin,
but it does not look like a full-blown implant.
To me, it seems like he just had his clef defined.
That's all.
Cleft Chin Creation
Cleft Chin Creation may be done through a surgical technique that might separately or collectively utilize surgical implants, modify bone structure, or remove skin and fat tissue. This procedure is made to attain facial symmetry, enhance appearance, and help the patient achieve his ideal look.
I have no idea which one he used, but all three procedures would leave scars and/or bone alteration which should have been noticed during the autopsy. In case an implant was placed it should have been found during the autopsy as well.
Thank you Mo. <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
I'm not sure which type of procedure he got done,
but I'm leaning towards the Bone Structure one,
simply because it got more defined as he lost weight,
but that happens anyways as people age.
The scarring though could have been cleared up by Klein too.
Agh I'm just thinking out loud now.
We'll never know unless his doc spills the beans someday..
Yeah, I thought the bone one, too. That would mean they lifted his skin and made a little cleft-shape in the chin area of his skull, right?
Ugh It makes me cringe thinking of it, but yeah. That's what it seems like.
I've gotten a scar removed with a lazer, but would that show up on an autopsy report?
Michael could have had the same thing done to his chin..
Urgh, I know, I am so incredibly squeamish about innards and gory stuff.. I always say that I don't like horror flicks because they'll make me hurl, not get scared..
Urgh, I know, I am so incredibly squeamish about innards and gory stuff.. I always say that I don't like horror flicks because they'll make me hurl, not get scared..
Haha I'm not, it's just imagining them doing it to Mr. Jackson is.. Ugghhhh. <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->
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Everyone I've asked thinks that a scar removed with a lazer wouldn't show
up on an autopsy report. I guess the could have done it to Michael then.
Chin implant? <!-- s:| -->:|<!-- s:| -->
Can you explain this a bit better? To me, it just seems like he lost the baby fat on his face...
exactly...there was no chin implant...he just grew up...like everyone else does
So many people wanna say he all this work done, but they're just looking at pics from dif angles/poses/lighting...if anyone actually examines these pics they can tell that it's the same Mike...2 nose jobs and added a chin cleft...that's what he said and that's what i see...why can't we just believe Michael?
According to Michael Jackson himself he did alter his chin, he wrote it in his book.
looking at different sigs and gifs i really think there was no chin implant. mike always had a prominent chin area and i think it just squared out with age and also, he had lost weight in the past 10 yrs, so his cheeks became a little hollow and the chin even more prominent.
regarding an implant: that could also be done with silicone strips. a friend of mine had a bad accident and lost part of her upper lip. the lipline was reconstructed with silicone strips implanted along the lipline (so it wouldn't be flat there). but: any such implant would have def been in the report. so i think the cleft was either done by abrasion of the bone or possibly by intentionyl scarring, means the cut will be prevented from proper healing creating the cleft. but if you look at close up portraits, you can see a scar right behind the chin. there is one somewhere from the bad-tour (w/blue shirt, maybe from soundcheck?), where he looks up and you can def see it there. if i find it again, i'll post it here.
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Absolutely correct, Rowdyangel. For me, MJ at 50 in TII, melted me to the core. That man is sooooooooooooo gorgeous at any age. MJ is sheer male perfection to me! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
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here's my argument: i was married to an afro-american, he's 13 years older than me. i'll be 45 this year, so i'm in a similar 'age range' here. i have crow's feet, bags under the eyes developing and a distinct line going down from the side of my nose. my ex-hubby, except for 'squaring out', has less wrinkles than me, no bags under eyes. only his salt&pepper beard will tell that he's even older than me. we have a son whose face shape has changed drastically in the past year into 'squaring out', he's 19 now. i have a lot of afro-american family and if i didn't know their ages, you couldn't tell, cuz 'black don't crack', absolutely right! janet jackson is a year younger than me, she looks 20, i look my age...and i don't think janet had anything else done other than her nose (at least not in her face).
mike's skin looked white but the skin was still afro-american underneath. means no or little wrinkles here, thus no lifting necessary.
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exactly...there was no chin implant...he just grew up...like everyone else does
So many people wanna say he all this work done, but they're just looking at pics from dif angles/poses/lighting...if anyone actually examines these pics they can tell that it's the same Mike...2 nose jobs and added a chin cleft...that's what he said and that's what i see...why can't we just believe Michael?
According to Michael Jackson himself he did alter his chin, he wrote it in his book.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."but it does not look like a full-blown implant.
To me, it seems like he just had his clef defined.
That's all.
Cleft Chin Creation
Cleft Chin Creation may be done through a surgical technique that might separately or collectively utilize surgical implants, modify bone structure, or remove skin and fat tissue. This procedure is made to attain facial symmetry, enhance appearance, and help the patient achieve his ideal look.
I have no idea which one he used, but all three procedures would leave scars and/or bone alteration which should have been noticed during the autopsy. In case an implant was placed it should have been found during the autopsy as well.
I'm not sure which type of procedure he got done,
but I'm leaning towards the Bone Structure one,
simply because it got more defined as he lost weight,
but that happens anyways as people age.
The scarring though could have been cleared up by Klein too.
Agh I'm just thinking out loud now.
We'll never know unless his doc spills the beans someday..
And yeah, Mo, no one even noticed that there was no mention of ANY kind of chin scar or implant in that "autopsy"..
I've gotten a scar removed with a lazer, but would that show up on an autopsy report?
Michael could have had the same thing done to his chin..
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Everyone I've asked thinks that a scar removed with a lazer wouldn't show
up on an autopsy report. I guess the could have done it to Michael then.
looking at different sigs and gifs i really think there was no chin implant. mike always had a prominent chin area and i think it just squared out with age and also, he had lost weight in the past 10 yrs, so his cheeks became a little hollow and the chin even more prominent.
regarding an implant: that could also be done with silicone strips. a friend of mine had a bad accident and lost part of her upper lip. the lipline was reconstructed with silicone strips implanted along the lipline (so it wouldn't be flat there). but: any such implant would have def been in the report. so i think the cleft was either done by abrasion of the bone or possibly by intentionyl scarring, means the cut will be prevented from proper healing creating the cleft. but if you look at close up portraits, you can see a scar right behind the chin. there is one somewhere from the bad-tour (w/blue shirt, maybe from soundcheck?), where he looks up and you can def see it there. if i find it again, i'll post it here.
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