TIAI July 31
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Adi wrote:At least many do understand the TIAI message, and many may be still dismissive, but will likely start to understand after the bam. The whole hoax community is familiar with TIAI but maybe need that extra little push (i.e. Mike returning and explaining).
TS did all he could do to make people see he isn't playing games, I can understand he must be frustrated at times. Time will tell and after the BAM I think many more will see the importance of TIAI.
I agree....
I read this redirect as a positive thing from TS - basically telling us that Michael will return or "BAM" no matter, because he has set a deadline for himself......once everyone hears what Michael has to say himself then all of us who believed will finally unite properly and realise the message that he has been trying to communicate to us via TS IS real and IS serious and we will be there for him to carry that message even further.
The majority of believers know about TS/TIAI and even if they don't believe that TS has valid information they are still VERY much aware of what TS/TIAI has been trying to tell ALL of us these past 9 months. As Souza says, the extra "push" by MJ returning will go a huge way in helping EVERYONE understand Michael's message.
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that's what i'm thinking too
it would be great btw
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I was over a friends house last night and he was telling me that he had seen This is it.
He told me that he was never a fan of Michael.
My friend is 39 years old.
But after seeing this is it he said that his thoughts of Michael totally changed.
He always thought he was a strange guy, didn't like his music and so on.
He said:
Now i have 5 cd's in my car
I tried to do the moonwalk but i can't!
Spending hours on YT looking at vids.
What a PRO he is!
My kids only wanna hear his music (kids are 7/9/11)
What the hell did the tabloids did to make him looking like such a freak/idiot.
Who can dance and sing like him...nobody!
and so on.
And finally: He told me, I think he is not dead! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
After hearing all this, i told him i was at this forum and that he should go here and read.
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But what i want to point out with this.
We are on this forum so we think what is going on and what the meaning of Michael is by hoaxing his death.
But for other people like my friend, no fan before....has changed his mind about Michael.
So when Mike will BAM, a lot of people that were calling him a freak, jacko...etc already changed their mind.
They respect him now for what he gave the world.
And the new generation is not intrested in his past.
Only his music
Chappie
As stated Sarahli will be a great battle that the union also important. Union, union is what we need in this army, and again bring the words of TS;
And when bamsday does come—whether sooner or later, there will of course be great rejoicing! But don’t expect things to just go back to entertainment as usual; as you already know, if you’ve read all the TIAI/TS posts, there will be a major battle ahead (Army of LOVE). And remember the following, from Threatened lyrics {http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-jackson-lyrics/threatened-lyrics.html}: “What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn’t. It’s the beginning.”
Michael Jackson is a very special human being.
I so agree with all of you. I've heard and read the same reactions from people. In fact, even though I had respect and admiration for Michael my mind was also confused by the media message and I didn't totally understand what was happening. I no longer have any doubts in my mind that it was total media fabrication. I've been thankful for this opportunity to learn a great lesson but I am also ready to have Michael back. I promise to never take him or any loved one for granted again. Blessings.
He is indeed Paula. I just posted on another thread how incredible it is that this man none of us knew, has somehow drawn us all together and affected us so deeply. He has touched an inner part of me that I didn't even know existed.
If ever the Bam happened, Mike would be untouchable , i'm telling you.
I only quoted you curls because you had the shortest answer to what Alot of people have thought not only about Michael but about anyone in their lives. It is Human Nature.
Image (Appearance) Vs. Reality
Peace
Brooke Soper British Literature
3/20/1997 Period F
Appearance Verse Reality
The way people act on the outside and who they really are on the inside may be two totally different things. Some may change because they feel they don't fit in. Others pretend to be something they truly aren't. No matter which way you look at it, if you try to act like someone your not, the truth will always appear in the end. That is exactly what happened in William Shakespeare's play, MacBeth. Banquo, MacBeth, and Lady MacBeth each project an image, but as time passes. The realities of their true personalities begin to emerge.
As an honorable man, Banqou tends to hold back his true feelings in order not to offend others around him. At one point in the play, Banqou and MacBeth find themselves in the presence of three weird sisters who make three absurd predictions. MacBeth leans toward believing them while Banqou says, "And oftentimes, to win us to do our harm, the instruments of darkness tells us truths, win us with honest trifles, to betray's in deepest consequence".
(Act I, Scene 3) A thoughtful yet skeptical Banquo speaks his words here very carefully to MacBeth in order to remain honorable. He doesn't want to come right out and tell MacBeth to be cautious in his actions, so he tries to soften his words so that MacBeth might contemplate his future movements. However, MacBeth does not take heed of Banquo's warnings. Because of the witch's predictions and his impatience, MacBeth kills in order to get what he expects is coming to him. When Banquo takes time to contemplate what has been going on, he turns his thoughts to MacBeth. He expresses his feelings about the situation in Act II, Scene 1. Banqou feels that MacBeth might have something to do with the murders, but he never stands up for his thoughts or listens to his conscience until MacBeth comes to him one day. When MacBeth asks to talk privately to Banquo, Banquo states; " So I lose none in seeking to augment it, but still keep my bosom franchised and allegiances clear, I shall be counseled."
(Act III, Scene 1) Banquo means that he will talk to MacBeth, just as long as MacBeth knows that he is loyal to the King. This is the only time that Banquo sets his foot down against others to stand up for his morals.
Just like Banquo, MacBeth's appearance differs from his true self. MacBeth portrays himself to be strong and wise, but inside he is truly weak. When he first faces the witch's predictions, he says; " Come what come may, time and the hour runs through the roughest day."
(Act I, Scene 3) Basically he says that any good fortune that may come to him in the future, will come on it's own. He wants to appear collected, strong, and noble, but in the end, he completely contradicts his statement by greedily killing men to get what he expects is his for the taking. This shows his extreme weakness because he believes what three weird strangers tell him. Not only is he weak with the three weird sisters, but he is also weak with his wife. MacBeth goes to his wife right after he planned to kill Duncan, and proclaims; "If we should fail?" in order to receive some reassurance from his beloved wife. He turned to his wife for strength and she replies; "We, Fail!" Even though his actions appear strong, his reasons are very weak. The largest portrayal of MacBeth's feebleness comes when Banquo's ghost appears before MacBeth's eyes. "Hence, horrible shadow! Unreal mockery, hence!", MacBeth exclaims as he sees Banquo's ghost. Why would a King be afraid of shadows? A very weak man, MacBeth crumbles under pressure and guilt.
Just like her husband, Lady MacBeth paints herself as a very potent woman. But the murders and guilt beat at her conscience until she too crumbles. At one point in the play, Lady MacBeth says,
I have given suck and no how tender tis to love the babe that milks me; I would, while it was smiling in my face, have plucked the nipple from his boneless gums, and dashed the brains out, had I so sworn as you have done to this.
(Act I, Scene 7)
The latter shows that Lady MacBeth appears strong and heartless in her actions toward others. Even when her husband stands before her having a nervous breakdown in the banquet scene, instead of trying to help, she orders her poor delirious husband to bed so that he won't create a scene. In both of the above cases, her husband turns to her for help, but she speaks harsh words to him to keep her appearance strong. However, she is not strong at all. The whole time she was acting strong, her insides were tearing apart at the seams. One night a gentlewoman comes to a good doctor for help about her mistress. Lady MacBeth had been sleep walking for the last few nights; mumbling words and pretending to wash her hands from a translucent blood that she feels is lingering on her hands.
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The whole time Lady MacBeth had put up a defense to appear potent, but in reality, she is just as weak as her husband is.
Banquo, MacBeth, and Lady MacBeth all paint a vivid picture of their personalities on the outside; but as proven, they are totally different people on the inside. No matter what, reality will conquer appearance.
Whether it is slow like MacBeth and Banquo's change; or whether it is abrupt like Lady MacBeth's, the truth will emerge in the end.
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The troot will prevail.
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Um,
Your NOT going to like THIS answer to much. Sorry but, THIS is how The Court System is done when it is done proper. Murray is NOT going to be found NOT guilty on This next Court hearing.
Peace
Murder trials are quite complex and time-consuming, but they are no different from other criminal trials. In fact, all criminal trials follow a basic yet rigid schedule.
While murder trials elicit its fair share of media and public attention, not too many people are aware of the bells and whistles of a murder trial.
"There is a lot of procedure involved with murder trials and criminal matters in general," said Szu-Pei Lu, a trial attorney in Los Angeles County. "There are no differences between murder trials and criminal trials. There is nothing particularly special about murder trials, procedurally. Overall, it is a rather intricate system."
Indeed, there are several elements that make up a murder/criminal trial. Below are the elements that, as a whole, make up the entire criminal trial.
Arrest and murder charges
In order for there to be a murder trial, there must be an arrest and a dead person. Once the arrest is made, the arresting agency - police department or sheriff - must book the person in custody and charge them with murder. There are varying degrees of murder that someone can be charged with - first or second degree murder, voluntary or involuntary manslaughter. Once a person is charge with murder, those charges must be filed with the court.
Informal arraignment
The arraignment is the first court appearance for the murder suspect.
"This is the appearance where charges are formally read to the defendant," Lu said.
If not previously set, the court will set a bail amount, though it is set at the discretion of the judge in a murder trial.
Preliminary hearing
About seven to 10 days after the informal arraignment, the preliminary hearing takes place. This is the stage where the District Attorney's office will decide whether there is a case and if it is worth going to trial with the available evidence.
"At the preliminary hearing, the prosecution must prove that the murder charges are valid," added Lu.
To prove the charges are valid, the prosecutor will generally call witnesses and present evidence to the judge in a court hearing. The defense, alternatively, will not call any witnesses.
Formal arraignment and plea
As in all criminal matters, the murder suspect will be offered the opportunity to enter a formal plea within 30 days of the preliminary hearing. The defendant may plead in one of three ways - guilty, not guilty or no contest. When a defendant pleads no contest, it is treated the same as a guilty plea. However, if the murder defendant would not be liable in civil court - wrongful death suit, for example.
The defendant may also "stand mute," which is treated the same as a not guilty plea. In this situation, the court will enter a not guilty plea on behalf of the defendant, where he or she elects not to speak at the arraignment.
Pretrial conference
Once the plea is formally entered, the next stage of a murder trial is the pre-trial
conference. At this hearing, both the defense and the prosecutor meets with the judge to discuss the case. Attorneys on both sides use this meeting to file pre-trial motions.
Bench or jury trial
After the pre-trial conference, a determination will be made whether the defendant's trial will be heard by the judge or a jury. A "bench trial" is where the judge decides both the facts and the law. However, in a "jury trial," only the law is decided by the judge, while twelve jurors determine the validity of the facts and evidence. Not all murder trials are jury trials.
"Contrary to public opinion, a jury trial is not automatic," Lu added.
Voir dire (jury selection)
Most jury cases in California are heard in front of a jury. If a jury trial is selected, then the jurors must be selected. Days before the trial, a panel of jurors are randomly selected by the court. Once the panel is selected, the judge and both attorneys will ask each potential juror a set of questions in a process called "voir dire."
Through voir dire questioning, a determination is made whether each juror will be fair and impartial.
If, for some reason, an attorney does not believe a juror will be fair and impartial, then the lawyer may challenge that juror and have him or her removed from the pool. There must be a cause for most challenges.
In certain situations, the defense or prosecutor may use a limited number of "peremptory challenges" to remove a juror without cause or explanation.
Trial begins
Once the jurors are selected in a jury trial, the murder trial will usually start the next day that court is in session. Before the lawyers present their respective cases, the jurors are informed that the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty, and they must maintain that presumption until all the evidence has been presented. If it is a bench trial, the attorneys will make their arguments directly to the judge. When the trial begins, the prosecutor makes the first set of arguments, followed by the defense.
Opening statements
Whether or not it is a jury trial, both the prosecution and defense will present their opening statements. During opening statements, no arguments are made. Instead, attorneys on both sides are merely stating what the evidence will show.
Burden of proof
During the course of trial, the prosecutor's objective is to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant committed the alleged crime.
Conversely, the defendant generally does not have the burden to prove any elements of the case - though this is not absolute.
Witnesses
As soon as opening statements are completed, the prosecution is given the opportunity to call its first witness and commence with his or her arguments against the alleged murderer/criminal.
Witness are sworn in by the clerk of the court and make statements on the stand about an issue related to the trial. There are many types of witnesses - eyewitnesses, experts, investigators, the defendant's family members and, sometimes, the defendant themselves.
A witness will go through two sets of questioning - direct examination and cross-examination. Direct examination is when the witness is asked questions by the attorney that called them to the stand.
Cross-examination takes place after direct examination, where the opposing attorney has an opportunity to ask the witness questions.
A witness may also face re-direct examination or re-cross examination.
The extent will depend upon when attorneys on both sides feel there are no more questions to ask the witness.
A few tidbits about witnesses:
• Witnesses remain on-call throughout the trial until excused by the judge; • While they are on-call, witnesses remain under oath; • Finally, witnesses may not attend any portion of the case other than when they are called to the witness stand.
Objections
During witness testimony, it is common to hear an objection to a question asked by opposing counsel or an answer given by the witness.
There are hundreds of possible objections. When an attorney objects to a question or answer, the judge will either approve (sustain) or deny (overrule) the objection. If denied, then the objection is ignored and the questioning may continue as if nothing happened. However, if the objection is approved, then the opposing attorney's question or witnesses answer is stricken from the record and the jury or judge is not allowed to consider that testimony when it makes its decision.
Rebuttal
After the defense has presented its case, the prosecution has a chance to response, or rebut, to arguments or evidence presented by the defendant. It is possible for the defense to respond to the prosecutors rebuttal, though both sides are not allowed more than one rebuttal.
Closing statements
After both sides present their evidence and make their rebuttals, the prosecutor and defendant will make closing statements, or a summary of each side's case.
In a jury trial, once closing statements are made, the jurors are given specific instructions on how to deliberate and analyze the case.
Conversely, in a bench trial, the judge will take the case into his chambers and make a determination on his own.
Verdict
Once a jury deliberates the case, a result may or may not be reached.
There are three possible outcomes - guilty, not guilty or hung jury. A hung jury occurs when all 12 jurors cannot agree on an outcome. A guilty or not guilty verdict can only be reached by a unanimous jury.
However, in a bench trial, the judge will return a verdict of guilty or not guilty, since the judge is the only person "voting" during deliberations.
Hung jury
If the jurors cannot reach a verdict, they will be discharged by the judge, and the prosecutor must decide whether they will dismiss the charges or seek a new trial.
Acquittal
If all twelve jurors vote in favor of the defendant, they return a verdict of not guilty. An acquittal generally happens when the jurors believe that the prosecution's case did not prove the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Once a defendant is acquitted, the case is over. A prosecutor cannot appeal an acquittal.
Conviction
Conversely, a jury may unanimously believe that the prosecution did prove the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt on at least one charge, therefore returning a guilty verdict. If there are multiple charges, the jury may return verdicts of guilty on some charges but not guilty of others.
A convicted defendant does have the right to appeal the decision or request a new trial, though guilty verdicts are rarely overturned.
"Once convicted, the defendant has between a 3 and 5 percent chance of winning an appeal," Lu said. "The defendant must prove that the judge or jury violated a law or was otherwise unfair, but this is not easy to do. It's a pretty high bar."
Sentencing
Once a guilty verdict is reached, the final stage of the trial (aside from appeals) is sentencing. This hearing usually takes place a few weeks after the trial is over, and is a bench trial. Based upon the charges and the gravity of the crime, the judge will make a decision about how long the defendant's jail time will be.
Oftentimes, the defendant is allowed to present mitigating circumstances and have people speak on his behalf for the judge to factor into the sentencing.
Parties involved
During the trial, there are several people who are mainstays throughout the entire process. Most people are aware of the judge, attorneys, jurors and witnesses. However, there are also court reporters who maintains a transcript of what is said on the record during the entire trial, from arraignment to sentencing.
There is also a bailiff, who is generally an armed officer or deputy who "stands guard" over the courtroom. When the defendant is in custody during trial, it is the bailiff's responsibility to escort that person in and out of the courtroom.
Sitting next to the judge is a clerk, who usually performs the administrative functions of the courtroom, such as maintaining the calendar, answering phone calls and filing motions. The clerk also swears in all witnesses.
In some instances, there is also an interpreter for witnesses or defendants who do not speak or understand English.
Timeline
While defendants theoretically have the right to a speedy trial, most murder trials take up to two years to complete, primarily due to scheduling issues with the court or attorneys. <!-- s:ugeek: -->:ugeek:<!-- s:ugeek: -->
Now to figure out what stage Murray is in. August 23rd date is?
Take your time Mike we will b right here waiting for you <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Yes this is my understanding as well! Mike is getting ready to BAM (and we need to be ready for him).
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Dr. Conrad Murray, personal physician to Michael Jackson, was charged Monday with involuntary manslaughter in connection with the pop star's death last summer.
A criminal complaint filed earlier in the day alleged that Murray "did unlawfully, and without malice, kill Michael Joseph Jackson."
Murray turned himself in shortly before 4 p.m. at a branch courthouse near Los Angeles International Airport. He pleaded not guilty during a brief hearing before Judge Keith L. Schwartz.
The judge set bail at $75,000, despite arguments from prosecutor David Walgren that Murray is a flight risk.
The judge refused to suspend Murray's medical license as a term of his bond, but he did order him not to use any anesthesia on patients.
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The appointment of a new judge to preside over "the criminal trial of Dr. Conrad Murray delayed for two months" a decision on if Michael Jackson's last doctor can keep his California medical license. <!-- s:ugeek: -->:ugeek:<!-- s:ugeek: -->
Jackson's parents and three siblings came to court Monday to hear the state medical board argue for Murray's license suspension, but Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor put the hearing off until June 14. <!-- s:ugeek: -->:ugeek:<!-- s:ugeek: -->
"The California medical board" wants the court to ban him from practicing medicine as a condition of his $75,000 bail, "which was set by another judge when Murray pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter at his February arraignment." <!-- s:ugeek: -->:ugeek:<!-- s:ugeek: -->
At the time, a judge prohibited him from using any anesthesia on patients, but refused the prosecution's request to suspend his license.
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The board had asked the courts to suspend Murray's license as a condition of his bond on a charge of involuntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson. But a judge this week delayed a decision on that request until June.
Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor, who was chosen just Monday to preside over Murray's trial, decided he would not be ready to consider the medical board's request until June 14.
At a news conference in Los Angeles on Tuesday morning, Brown said the medical board will go ahead with its own investigation and proceedings to take Murray's license. Brown's department provides lawyers to represent the medical board.
THE NEW JUDGE:
Judge Michael Pastor set August 23 as the date for the start of "the preliminary hearing" for Murray, which the prosecutor said could last a week. <!-- s:ugeek: -->:ugeek:<!-- s:ugeek: -->
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Murray has been charged on Feb. 8 and is now moving onto The Preliminary Phase. The other court dates were to try and suspend his medical license while he is going through the trial of Manslaughter, it is a seperate issue brought about by the Attorney General and the California medical board.
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Peace
So true, curls and paula-c. He's an extraordinary man.
He is the most incredible ,man that ever walked this earth! Not only does he sing and dance for our entertainment, he now has given us a real life "thriller" and at the same time is going to try and save the world! no one on this planet will ever "out do" our Michael...he is truly one of a kind, he really is an Angel. He amazes me that he can have the weight of the world on his shoulders, but he can still be the funny "prankster" at the same time. We have your back my friend...always! I love you! "Heart" To "Heart"